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ultravikingfan
12-14-2010, 02:55 AM
Pathetic.

Just shameful.

As the Troy and Joe said, looks like a Pre-Season game.

TJ...what a fricken joke. Yup, good thing he can move. With all the talk about Favre's immobile ass you would think TJ would never get sacked. Think again!!!

O-Line gave up.

Run Defense was a nightmare. PWNED!

Penalties were ridiculous. Just plain stupid and sloppy.

I was so happy when "Blazing" Booker returned that kick off. Oh wait...bring it right on back.

Not going to comment on Webb. He is a rookie w/o any experience. Did not expect much.

Kluwe did good though.

So, for most of you who did not see the game...feel free to analyze away.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:19 AM
Think how bad our record would be if we hadn't had Favre!

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:22 AM
Waiting on excuses for tjack...............

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:23 AM
Bet the people who blamed Favre instead of blaming the O-Line feel pretty lame and stupid right now.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 04:28 AM
Pathetic.

TJ...what a fricken joke. Yup, good thing he can move. With all the talk about Favre's immobile ass you would think TJ would never get sacked. Think again!!!



That was all they had. Now that is gone. Boy how silly they look.

Tad7
12-14-2010, 04:29 AM
T-Jack sucked! Holy crap...interceptions right at people piss me off. And no matter what, he'll never be durable enough to start. Fucking limping every chance he gets. It didn't even look like 2008 T-Jack, it looked like 2006-2007 T-Jack. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?

And yeah, the O-line sucked too. But I thought that would be one of the reasons to put Jackson in. NOPE.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 04:29 AM
Bet the people who blamed Favre instead of blaming the O-Line feel pretty lame and stupid right now.

They look straight up ridiculous.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:31 AM
T-Jack sucked! Holy crap...interceptions right at people piss me off. And no matter what, he'll never be durable enough to start. Fucking limping every chance he gets. It didn't even look like 2008 T-Jack, it looked like 2006-2007 T-Jack. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?

And yeah, the O-line sucked too. But I thought that would be one of the reasons to put Jackson in. NOPE.

THAT was what everyone else was seeing but you couldn't see. Now you're trying to save face...


But I do give you props for admitting it, at least you aren't leaving PPO or something, and owning up. So props for that. Seriously.

Tad7
12-14-2010, 04:33 AM
T-Jack sucked! Holy crap...interceptions right at people piss me off. And no matter what, he'll never be durable enough to start. Fucking limping every chance he gets. It didn't even look like 2008 T-Jack, it looked like 2006-2007 T-Jack. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?

And yeah, the O-line sucked too. But I thought that would be one of the reasons to put Jackson in. NOPE.

THAT was what everyone else was seeing but you couldn't see. Now you're trying to save face...


But I do give you props for admitting it, at least you aren't leaving PPO or something, and owning up. So props for that. Seriously.
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.

Freya
12-14-2010, 04:34 AM
This game wouldn't be able to qualify as a decent practice.

acman1
12-14-2010, 04:35 AM
Probably in the top 3 of worst Viking games I have watched (Spergon Wynn against the Ravens still as bad as it gets IMO).

Tad7
12-14-2010, 04:36 AM
AHHHHHHHHH :angry: :angry: :angry:

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:39 AM
This game wouldn't be able to qualify as a decent practice.

Both teams were flat and confused.

The Giants were just the better flat and confused team.

I think it was about what we could expect, given the bizarre circumstances that threw both teams off.

The Vikings, by the way, are a better team than they showed tonight.....but we're gonna miss Brett.

acman1
12-14-2010, 04:39 AM
Also, watching Brandon Jacobs run away from Madeiu was pretty funny, he is sooooo bad.

Culpepper_4717
12-14-2010, 04:39 AM
Saw some classic TJoke throws tonight.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:41 AM
Frazier is probably questioning his decision to accept the head coach job now.

Hang in there, buddy!!!!

kevoncox
12-14-2010, 04:43 AM
TIem to pass our grades....

QB - Absent
HB - D - Not your fault the rest of your classmates didn't show
WRs - C - Started off ok
TE - C spent blocking for our slow reading QB
OL - D - You stink...but it's not your fault that you face 12 in the box because out QB can't read what the defense is doing so you are constantly under pressure

DL - B - Solid game early. Wore down from all the 3 and outs
LBs - B - See DL
CBs - C - Asher... is not the answer
S - F - Madiue single handled ruin our run defense. He takes horrible angles. Horrible. Horrible. Go watch the greg Jennings TD and then watch tonight. You will see a guy that gets turned around and then ran by.

Caine
12-14-2010, 04:45 AM
I think the Jackson supporters saw exactly what I've been saying about him tonight.... whether or not they admit it is another story.

What's Jackson TD/INT ratio now?

To be fair, I only blame him for one of the missed snaps...

Bottom line, we saw what Jackson is all about. We saw why Chiller went after Favre again this season (No, Marrdro, it wasn't Wilf forcing it).

Last week, versus the 2-9 Bills, he was bailed out and the supporters tried to sell it as a Jackson Victory.

This week, against a play-off caliber team, he didn't do jack...

I can taste that beer already...and it tastes bitter because being right about Jackson means our team is screwed at the QB position (Which I've been saying for years).

Caine

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:45 AM
What a Joke. Just a pure and utter embarrassment.

Today's player of the game goes to:
Tarvaris Jackson, for providing the Giants with that spark on defense to shut a team down for a whole game.


QB: F About as bad as it gets. Yes, he didn't throw LOTS of interceptions, but he had about the same number of good throws.

RB: D+ some ok gains, some good effort to make something out of nothing, but hard to be good when your OL scores an....

OL: F Just pitiful

TE: C Some catches, some blocks, some penalties, and some missed blocks

DL: C+ A sack, and that's about it. A few good penetrations to get the ball carrier in the backfield, but when you let up that many rushing yards, you don't deserve any better.

LB: C+ Again, same as DL

CB: B The lone bright(er) spot on a dull team. Two nice picks definitely kept this from being a massive blowout.

S: C They. Are. So. Bad.

Return: A I got the feeling right after Booker returned that opening kickoff he might break a long one, and he did. Sure enough, called back by a block in the back.

Coaching D+. Playcalling was Chilly-like, but tough to get creative when your offense is about as useful as Hellen Keller.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:47 AM
This week, against a play-off caliber team, he didn't do jack...


No Caine, he did do Jack. He's done the same tJack we've seen for the past 4 years.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:49 AM
Well.....

This is another case of....."Bury the Game Ball!!"

We need to move on.

Eagles next week.......playing.....somewhere.

Purple Floyd
12-14-2010, 04:50 AM
Well, After nearly 5 years of debating some on here about Childress not being an NFL caliber coach, Jackson not being an NFL caliber QB and the line not playing up to NFL standards we have finally gotten some clarity over the past few weeks.

Childress sucks- Check.
Tarvaris Jackson sucks- Check.
The OL sucks- Check.

Childress has been put to bed, now it looks like the rest of them can follow and we can get on with building a better team.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:50 AM
I can taste that beer already...and it tastes bitter because being right about Jackson means our team is screwed at the QB position (Which I've been saying for years).


Actually......Webb finished surprisingly strong.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 04:52 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:52 AM
I can taste that beer already...and it tastes bitter because being right about Jackson means our team is screwed at the QB position (Which I've been saying for years).


Actually......Webb finished surprisingly strong.

Yes, he did, but also take into account that the defense probably wasn't trying that hard. They weren't attacking him like they were TJ. Softer coverage and space to run.

However, I would be a fan of seeing Webb out there next week. We're mathematically eliminated now.

acman1
12-14-2010, 04:52 AM
I can taste that beer already...and it tastes bitter because being right about Jackson means our team is screwed at the QB position (Which I've been saying for years).


Actually......Webb finished surprisingly strong.
Maybe compared to what Tjoke did, all he did was hand off to Toby and threw him a screen.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:53 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

Yeah, you forgot that every time he gets hit, he sticks the ball straight up in the air.

Very surprised he didn't fumble.

Purple Floyd
12-14-2010, 04:55 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

He just needs a little more time.

Stonecoldet3
12-14-2010, 04:58 AM
A pathetic showing on offense is all I have to say. :side:

Culpepper_4717
12-14-2010, 05:03 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

snowinapril
12-14-2010, 05:04 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

He just needs a little more time.

I think you need to put one of these behind it. :sick: or :unsure: or :evil: or :pinch:

marstc09
12-14-2010, 05:07 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

That was funny to see. Especially the last one. I bet the TJ lovers were just embarrassed. I know I was embarrassed for them.

Mr Anderson
12-14-2010, 05:09 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Game plan was horrible tonight. It's pretty clear that Bevell is a Childress disciple. What was the plan? Come out of the gate throwing and then run play action? wtf... Our offensive coaches need to get a clue or get out.

Injuries are killing us. Hutch, Harvin, Griffin, Herrera... underperforming backups.

The pick to Bulluck in the flat, come on TJack. Like Aikman said "elementary."

I think we need someone to challenge our offensive line. They seem complacent. After Umenyiora hit TJack helmet to helmet at the end of the game I was hoping McKinnie would retaliate physically.

It's fucking nonsense that we had to play in a division rival's dome anyway. We had no hope once we had to move the game. The players weren't in it.

Kluwe's still pretty damn good though.

Culpepper_4717
12-14-2010, 05:09 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

That was funny to see. Especially the last one. I bet the TJ lovers were just embarrassed. I know I was embarrassed for them.
Favre was probably calling TJoke a little bitch.

Purple Floyd
12-14-2010, 05:11 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

That was funny to see. Especially the last one. I bet the TJ lovers were just embarrassed. I know I was embarrassed for them.

Yeah, Brett failed to finish his 297th consecutive game and TJ didn't even make it through one lol.


So much for the whole "Mobility will help the OL and give the WR's time to get open" theory. That sucker has more holes in it than a brick of swiss cheese.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 05:12 AM
My GAWD!!

What would our record be if we hadn't had Favre this year!???

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 05:12 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

That was funny to see. Especially the last one. I bet the TJ lovers were just embarrassed. I know I was embarrassed for them.
Favre was probably calling TJoke a little bitch.
I Loved Favre's reaction when TJ threw that pick right after Cam returned that long punt. Just the two-handed facepalm.

Prophet
12-14-2010, 05:17 AM
Kind of embarrassing to see the end of an era at 297 consecutive starts followed up with our 'future' QB that is not even able to play two games in a row without injury....or should I say just not being able to suck it up and play with a little pain. What an embarassment. Tarvaris Jackson will never be a starter in the NFL, I heard he needs an interpreter when he watches spongebob. If he was leading the troops during WWII we would all be speaking Japanese.

What a world of hurt going into '11 with no QB. Jeff George is already sending singing telegrams to Zygi.

It's painful to be eliminated from playoff contention this early in the season. Only fitting that it happened in Detroit.

Fuck.

bbqplatypus318
12-14-2010, 05:18 AM
Well...that was vintage T-Jack. I don't think I need to say anything more about that. I really, really hate for my gut feeling about him to have been right, but it is. He just doesn't have what it takes. If he was going to make it, he would've made it by now.

Bottom line: we're going to need to blow up the roster and start over from scratch.

m johnson
12-14-2010, 05:29 AM
you guys are being a little hard on t jack aren't you. if we can just give t.jack a few more chances cause it really wasn't fair to start him against a playoff caliber team. maybe brett can teach t jack how to read a defense this week and he'll be much better next week. JUST KIDDING TAVARIS YOU SUCK. YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO READ EVEN THE SIMPLEST DEFENSE. PLAY WEBB NEXT WEEK AND SPARE US VIKINGS FANS ANOTHER T JACK EMBARRESMENT. ALL YOU T. JACK LOVERS WHERE ARE YOU NOW.

dfosterf
12-14-2010, 05:33 AM
You can return your rental now.

You broke him, so we are gonna have to charge you for that.

:P

That was a hell of a streak. I'm glad he gave so many at least some satisfactions---ya Mars, that includes you, buddy.

Figure out how to beat the Bares somehow, will ya?

Sorry about the math thing regarding the playoffs, we aren't in much better shape. Oh well, only one fanbase is gonna be really happy of the 32...

Purple Mk1
12-14-2010, 05:33 AM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!

thorshammer
12-14-2010, 05:34 AM
Kind of embarrassing to see the end of an era at 297 consecutive starts followed up with our 'future' QB that is not even able to play two games in a row without injury....or should I say just not being able to suck it up and play with a little pain. What an embarassment. Tarvaris Jackson will never be a starter in the NFL, I heard he needs an interpreter when he watches spongebob. If he was leading the troops during WWII we would all be speaking Japanese.

What a world of hurt going into '11 with no QB. Jeff George is already sending singing telegrams to Zygi.

It's painful to be eliminated from playoff contention this early in the season. Only fitting that it happened in Detroit.

Fuck.
+1
I didn't really see a lot of effort out there tonight for the most part. Very disappointing. I thought we could a least play spoiler and rally for the last few games.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 05:37 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Actually Favre has never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating.

vikinggreg
12-14-2010, 05:45 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Actually Favre has never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating.

http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/447*313/6vikegal1214.jpg

What?!? Brett said I was doing alright......damit, he was kinda laughing too...

Reignman
12-14-2010, 05:51 AM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
+1
Thanks for saving me the time, I couldn't have said what I wanted to say any better than this.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 06:05 AM
Figure out how to beat the Bares somehow, will ya?


No thanks. I am going to enjoy this collapse.

m johnson
12-14-2010, 06:09 AM
chilly's move of getting rid of rosenfeld and keeping t jack came back to bite us. sage rosenfeld would have been a more than adequate back up. we are now suffering from a chilly hangover. chilly may be gone but his special project that he refused to get rid of lives on to torment vikings fans. i dont know if webb is ready but we have no other option thanks to chilly.

Culpepper_4717
12-14-2010, 06:24 AM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"

Infidel
12-14-2010, 06:45 AM
Shank needs to calm down.

He's right.....they got a lot of stuff to fix.

This is no surprise.

So......get on with it.

RK.
12-14-2010, 06:55 AM
What a sloppy game. It was embarrassing. I think its clear that Jackson is no better today than he was three years ago. He will not be our starter next year and I will be surprised if he is still a Viking. That means we are looking for a QB in free agency again. Webb has promise but will not be ready for at least another year or more. I think the dome deflating is a perfect metaphor for the season. Not much more to say than that.

slavinator
12-14-2010, 06:55 AM
I am so frustrated with this team's on again off again effort. I know you arent going to win every game, but play hard damnit! That should be the one constant.

m johnson
12-14-2010, 06:57 AM
shanco was right. we got alot to fix but we also have to keep our heads and limp through the rest of the season. i doubt brett will be back. we need to get a qb in the draft(i like locker if hes available) we need some help on the o line and in the secondary. we need to get a veteran qb until whoever we draft is ready. i know things suck right now but im really hopeful that under leslie frasier there are much better days ahead.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 07:01 AM
I can honestly say that I hope we lose the rest of the games this season. It gives us no benefit to win any of them.

On a side note. The vikings net yards tonight was 164. Pathetic. You know the last time we had fewer than that??? Week 1, 2006 against the Pukers. Retardius's first start. We had 104 net yards that game and the next day Childo told Kevin Seifert that his offense was the KAO. The rest is history

Brewtal
12-14-2010, 07:16 AM
Find it rather funny there were still people that thaught TJack was a decent qb. If nothing else at least we can say there will be an end to having to read such stupid posts.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 08:16 AM
Find it rather funny there were still people that thaught TJack was a decent qb. If nothing else at least we can say there will be an end to having to read such stupid posts.

One could hope so, but the idiocracy on this site never ceases to exist. I'm proud to say that I'm usually leading the charge with my own useless drivel

gregair13
12-14-2010, 08:39 AM
We suck. Get used to it.

AngloVike
12-14-2010, 09:26 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

He ran into Peterson?? jesus what a pratt

I didn't see the game and by the sounds of things grateful I didn't. Still with the outstanding Spergon Wynn figures then I don't expect to see TJ in purple next season. Still with Favre now out then the TJ supporters can see their boy have an extended run at starting - assuming 'glass joints' Jackson can start of course.

jkjuggalo
12-14-2010, 09:28 AM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:

ndnorseman
12-14-2010, 11:15 AM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:

I'm not gonna really put too much fault for this blasphemy of a "football game" on Frazier. At one point, he had what appeared to be the entire Offense in a huddle around him, so at least he was trying SOMEthing. Pretty sure we can all imagine Childress just standing there with his usual "I should be doing something right now, but I'm not sure what" look on his face.

You're right about people auditioning for future employers, though...and after this game, they're looking at a pay cut at best. Who the HELL is coaching the O-line again? Did Richard Solomon re-join the team? Whoever it is needs to be GONE after this season...if not before.

The Defense as a whole gets a passing grade, IMO, for staying tough despite getting no rest due to all the 3-and-outs, and not allowing the Giants to put up 60+ points on us. Karl Dunbar is doing a fairly adequate job as the new DC...let's see if he can keep our Defense from getting man-handled throughout the remaining 3 games, though. He needs to show more before I'd be ready to promote him full-time. May be a moot point anyway after this season...could be looking at an entire coaching staff overhaul.

The dome's deflation proved to be the bad omen I perceived it as. I didn't want to say anything out loud about it because...well...a fat lot of of good keeping silent did anyway.

T-Jack...*sigh*...you had your chance(s), kid. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way to Chilly's. Hey, I hear they're looking for a back-up in Green Bay. LOL

Anybody missing Robert Griffith? I know I am...and while we're on the subject of missing people...get better SOON, Percy!!! Webb is gonna need all the help he can get for the rest of the season!

So...we're now mathematically eliminated. In a way, that's a relief, since we have no more lofty, unrealistic expectations for the rest of the season. That doesn't mean I won't still watch the games or that I'll be rooting for them to lose (Marr), but if they DO lose, it's no skin off my nose. Best we can hope for now, is to play the role of spoiler, and to get Webb some pressure-free game experience under his belt so he can at least put up a competitive effort for the back-up spot next year.

Oh yeah, one more thing: FIRE BEVELL!!!

singersp
12-14-2010, 11:45 AM
Saw some classic TJoke throws tonight.

Thanx, but he threw some terrible throws also.

singersp
12-14-2010, 11:53 AM
Last week, versus the 2-9 Bills, he was bailed out and the supporters tried to sell it as a Jackson Victory.

Caine

Last week I posted the videos & still pics that proved you wrong on the two TD passes & you ignored them.

singersp
12-14-2010, 11:56 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

Well, once you admit that the center fucked up the snap & hiked it to the side & AD ran into TJ, you have it pretty much covered.

Yeah, you forgot that every time he gets hit, he sticks the ball straight up in the air.

Very surprised he didn't fumble.

singersp
12-14-2010, 11:58 AM
Think how bad our record would be if we hadn't had Favre!

Favre would have lasted less time in there than he did last week.

How soon Infidel forgot Favre lost 7 out of 11 games.

singersp
12-14-2010, 12:03 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

singersp
12-14-2010, 12:12 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Actually Favre has never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating.

Miami game: 44.3 QB rating

Bears game: 44.5 QB rating

GB game: 50.4 QB rating

GB game: 51.2 QB rating

Zand
12-14-2010, 12:22 PM
so seeing as Jack got hurt running into peterson can we add another notch to the Purple Jesus lore for exorcising TJack from our offense?

singersp
12-14-2010, 12:39 PM
There was very little to get excited about in this game.

The offense was offensive, starting with TJ. Poor showing.

The OL looked as anemic & pathetic as they did in 2005. The defense was thru the line at the snap. Horseshit blocking period!

Yes, I'll be the first to say it, 5 pages into the thread. Adrian Peterson sucked right along with the rest of them.

While a shitload of posts are trying to solely blaming TJ for the loss, AD could only manage 26 yards on 14 attempts. One carry was for 7 yards, meaning AD had 19 yards on 13 carries.

I'll also be the first to mention penalties. Penalties killed us as well.

Rice: Got to catch that TD pass

Refs totally missed that jersey grab hold on Jared Allen, which allowed Jacobs big 73 yard run that led to the Giants first score.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Being the pseudo "home field" team, we were destined to lose. The home team almost always losses at Ford Field. :side:

singersp
12-14-2010, 12:43 PM
so seeing as Jack got hurt running into peterson can we add another notch to the Purple Jesus lore for exorcising TJack from our offense?

I think you mean AD ran into TJ don't you?

Or do you think the QB should line up behind the guard so that when he turns to hand the ball off to the RB there isn't a collision?

AngloVike
12-14-2010, 01:12 PM
so seeing as Jack got hurt running into peterson can we add another notch to the Purple Jesus lore for exorcising TJack from our offense?

I think you mean AD ran into TJ don't you?

Or do you think the QB should line up behind the guard so that when he turns to hand the ball off to the RB there isn't a collision?

least by doing that TJ won't have so far to run off the field after another 3 and out :woohoo:

Freya
12-14-2010, 01:28 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

The Oline is the biggest problem, imo. More so than the QB, receivers and RBs combined. To be honest, I don't think they were much (if any) better when Herrera and Hutch were playing.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:29 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Sure he looked bad. Can you imagine how bad the Noodle would have looked?

Atleast TJ got out of the way of things and looked good before the knee to knee with AD.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:32 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

That was funny to see. Especially the last one. I bet the TJ lovers were just embarrassed. I know I was embarrassed for them.
I bet some of us TJ backers were embarraressed for the whole fricken team. Well, maybe not the DB's or the ST's. Atleast they came to play.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:33 PM
Looks like a Favre stat line.

Game plan was horrible tonight. It's pretty clear that Bevell is a Childress disciple. What was the plan? Come out of the gate throwing and then run play action? wtf... Our offensive coaches need to get a clue or get out.

Injuries are killing us. Hutch, Harvin, Griffin, Herrera... underperforming backups.

The pick to Bulluck in the flat, come on TJack. Like Aikman said "elementary."

I think we need someone to challenge our offensive line. They seem complacent. After Umenyiora hit TJack helmet to helmet at the end of the game I was hoping McKinnie would retaliate physically.

It's fucking nonsense that we had to play in a division rival's dome anyway. We had no hope once we had to move the game. The players weren't in it.

Kluwe's still pretty damn good though.
Finally someone with a clue.

We needed a coach last night. IMHO we didn't have one.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:36 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:41 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:44 PM
Figure out how to beat the Bares somehow, will ya?


No thanks. I am going to enjoy this collapse.
How can anyone enjoy watching thier team lose? Maybe your here just for the Noodle.

What do you call the stuff that happened up until now? Rising above it?

I gotta clue for ya my friend, we collapesed when we started the year with the Noodle and its been down hill ever since.

I'll give ya one thing though, if we go ahead and opt to keep Frazier after a showing like that last night, I guess it can get worse though.

Purple Floyd
12-14-2010, 01:47 PM
We got rid if childress who was the mastermind behind this abomination. Now we are well on the way to being rid of jackson and revamping that pathetic OL that has been hampering the team for years and then we can look to retooling and improving.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:47 PM
I can honestly say that I hope we lose the rest of the games this season. It gives us no benefit to win any of them.

On a side note. The vikings net yards tonight was 164. Pathetic. You know the last time we had fewer than that??? Week 1, 2006 against the Pukers. Retardius's first start. We had 104 net yards that game and the next day Childo told Kevin Seifert that his offense was the KAO. The rest is history
Other than that would make them quiters.

Again, sad to see fans wanting to watch thier team loose. In all the anti-Noodle stuff you heard from me over the last 2 years, never once did I want them to loose so I could hack on the Noodle my friend.

AngloVike
12-14-2010, 01:48 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

I'd say more likely they stuck with him because they needed to ie the backup wasn't worth a light .... in TJ's case we don't have to stick with him after this season. ;)

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:50 PM
Find it rather funny there were still people that thaught TJack was a decent qb. If nothing else at least we can say there will be an end to having to read such stupid posts.
Because of one game?

If anything we saw nothing other than he can get broke like most of us feared early in his career. Until he whacked knees with AD he looked good. Heck he was the only offense we had up until that point.

Purple Floyd
12-14-2010, 01:53 PM
Because what this franchise really needs is a QB who looks OK for part of the 1st quarter before falling apart at the seams. That will really take us places lol.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:53 PM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:
Another poster with a clue.

Funny how all the cliche's about how the team is inspired under Frazier or playing for pride under Frazier.

Only players I saw show up were the LB'rs, DB's and ST's (again) just like we were seeing under Childress.

Were was Leslies hand in the gameplan? Were was Leslies hand is stopping the run?

What a joke. I'll say it again, the QB looked bad, but so did the whole team. We needed a HC last night and didn't have one.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 01:55 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

dfosterf
12-14-2010, 01:56 PM
It's not often I disagree with you outright, Marr--At least when we are not talkin' Queen-Puker-smack, but I wouldn't think you can blame Frazier (yet) any more than some of the whack-jobs credited him (excessively)previously.

I would have to call it premature. The overwhelming trend of the team has been poor play away from the metroslump, with the difference between home play and away play being probably the most pronounced of any NFL team.

The only (good) way you could replace Frazier now is with a quick resolution to the CBA. I can't see how a new coach could install "his" system with no players for OTA's etc.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 02:00 PM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:

I'm not gonna really put too much fault for this blasphemy of a "football game" on Frazier. At one point, he had what appeared to be the entire Offense in a huddle around him, so at least he was trying SOMEthing. Pretty sure we can all imagine Childress just standing there with his usual "I should be doing something right now, but I'm not sure what" look on his face.

You're right about people auditioning for future employers, though...and after this game, they're looking at a pay cut at best. Who the HELL is coaching the O-line again? Did Richard Solomon re-join the team? Whoever it is needs to be GONE after this season...if not before.

The Defense as a whole gets a passing grade, IMO, for staying tough despite getting no rest due to all the 3-and-outs, and not allowing the Giants to put up 60+ points on us. Karl Dunbar is doing a fairly adequate job as the new DC...let's see if he can keep our Defense from getting man-handled throughout the remaining 3 games, though. He needs to show more before I'd be ready to promote him full-time. May be a moot point anyway after this season...could be looking at an entire coaching staff overhaul.

The dome's deflation proved to be the bad omen I perceived it as. I didn't want to say anything out loud about it because...well...a fat lot of of good keeping silent did anyway.

T-Jack...*sigh*...you had your chance(s), kid. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way to Chilly's. Hey, I hear they're looking for a back-up in Green Bay. LOL

Anybody missing Robert Griffith? I know I am...and while we're on the subject of missing people...get better SOON, Percy!!! Webb is gonna need all the help he can get for the rest of the season!

So...we're now mathematically eliminated. In a way, that's a relief, since we have no more lofty, unrealistic expectations for the rest of the season. That doesn't mean I won't still watch the games or that I'll be rooting for them to lose (Marr), but if they DO lose, it's no skin off my nose. Best we can hope for now, is to play the role of spoiler, and to get Webb some pressure-free game experience under his belt so he can at least put up a competitive effort for the back-up spot next year.

Oh yeah, one more thing: FIRE BEVELL!!!
Pretty good post my friend.

Just one comment and a question though.

Look at the box score. We gave up alot of yards on the ground long before 3 and outs should have winded this defense.

We've sucked against the run all year. Problem is, we haven't faced a team that can run the ball the past few weeks so our stats were a bit skewed by that.

What will it prove to get Webb some "Pressure Free" experience? I wanna see what he does under pressure, not out of it.

Tad7
12-14-2010, 02:02 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)
haha I know..my overall opinion of T-Jack hasn't changed too much. I still think a lot of positive things about his abilities despite last night.

I'm mostly mad because the one thing this game did prove is that he won't be back next year. I don't know if he has more chances this season or not, but there's nothing he can do to erase this game in the minds of people that matter. He blew it.

And for about 5 of us here, that came as a surprise and it sucks.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 02:03 PM
Think how bad our record would be if we hadn't had Favre!

Favre would have lasted less time in there than he did last week.

How soon Infidel forgot Favre lost 7 out of 11 games.
Whats even more amazing out of all that is that they think the Noodle would have faired better last night if he could have got his old ass on the field.

Come to think of it, we are now seeing the same ones who hacked on me for my disdain for the Noodle now spewing the same disdain for TJ.

How sad is that?

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 02:11 PM
Saw some classic TJoke throws tonight.

Thanx, but he threw some terrible throws also.

First series....
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Bernard Berrian to Min38 for 8 yards
Shanc Penalty.
Two piss poor runs by AD.
Shanc Drop

What a shitty job by TJ.

Next series........
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Sidney Rice to NYG25 for 9 yards

2 no gains by AD.
2 yard gain by TJ.
7 Yard by AD (Finally)
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Lorenzo Booker to NYG10 for 6 yards
AD 2 yards
TJ Rice for 5 yards
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.

Another shitty job by TJ.

Next Series.....

Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Sidney Rice to NYG49 for 16 yards
AD short gain.
AD and TJ hit knees and it was all downhill from there.

dfosterf
12-14-2010, 02:15 PM
I know you need a quarterback, but you really, really would get a lot of bang for the buck if you went to work fixing the offensive line.

We have the same problem, both Aaron and Brett are/were pretty good at compensating for poor line play, as is AD against most teams...

The good news for my team is that we have finally begun the "process". LATE. We HAVE to do it through a process, because TT isn't going to go out and "buy" the repairs through free agency.

You don't have that problem. Zygi will. My opinion is that your team would be one heck of a lot better off worrying about upgrading the o-line than replacing the existing coach.

What about going after Carson Palmer, btw? He needs a change, imo---

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 02:15 PM
We got rid if childress who was the mastermind behind this abomination.
We sure didn't see much out of Frazier last night. Well, other than he got the guys together on the sideline. WOW, like that was gonna help.

Only way to fix this is to get rid of the whole staff, starting with the DL coach. 2 100 yard rushers.

I can't believe everyone is giving them a pass and saying it was because of all the 3 and outs. I think those cats need to look at the box score and see how many 3 and outs actually happened before that 73 yarder came out of Jacobs.


Now we are well on the way to being rid of jackson and revamping that pathetic OL that has been hampering the team for years and then we can look to retooling and improving.
The OL was definately overmatched last night. But thier biggest issue last night wasn't blocking, it was fricken penalties and bad snaps (TJ should've handled one of them though).

Only one that didn't get a penalty was Cook.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

I'd say more likely they stuck with him because they needed to ie the backup wasn't worth a light .... in TJ's case we don't have to stick with him after this season. ;)
I'm not ready to give up on TJ yet.

Anyone who watched that game saw a kid on fire and who was almost our only offense until he and AD whacked knees.

dfosterf
12-14-2010, 02:27 PM
In the NFC north, going forward, you BETTER have a superior offensive line.

Bank that. I saw it coming three years ago, unfortunately I have been howling at the moon, mostly.

Not a serviceable line, not a good line, a GREAT line. We are ALL going to need that to be seriously competitive.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 02:32 PM
My thoughts..........

TJ. Bad. Threw an INT and bobbled a bad snap (that he should have handled), over threw a wide open RB in a screen, and maybe could have tucked the ball when he was getting sacked all the time a bit better.

Good. Made good decisions with the ball for the most part. His passes were on target. Several dropped balls (one a sure TD) didn't help his cause. Before the bad knee he showed good escapability and when none of the WR's were open down field he threw it out of harms way.

In the end, his stat line wasn't great but hell, look at AD's........Are we gonna shitcan him now as well?

I for one still need to see more.

OL. Worst game of the season IMHO. Damn I hate penalties by the OL. I can live with almost any other penality but those kill us, especially after TJ makes a nice throw on first down and gets us in 2nd and short.

RB's. I know the knee probably slowed him down but hell, were was AD early on before that? I liked what I saw out of our newest RB though. Nice return ability and a nice catch and run.

TE's. Did they even show up? Nope, I saw penalties on both Shanc and Sauce I believe so they must have been there.

WR's. A couple of nice graps, but some easy drops as well.. El Syd, maybe TJ could have held it a fraction of a second longer giving you more flight time but damn, you live off of throws like that and BB, you could still be running if you would have caught that one.

DB's. You guys get a pass. Heck, I don't even blame the S's for the 73yarder. Thats on our RDE and MLB. One of the few groups who came to play.

LB's. As with the DB's. One of the few bright spots.

DL. Most are giving you a pass and blaming the offense. How about getting off the field once in awhile? I think most will now realize this is one of our weak areas and not a strengtht anymore.

ST's. Nothing to say here. Like the DB's and LB'rs they came to play.

Coaching. WOW.

Start with Frazier, move on to Bevs, get the DL coaches, fire the OL coaches, get rid of Theenimay (oh wait he's leaving). No one should be allowed to stay out of this group.

This team needed coaching last night and didn't have it.

Prophet
12-14-2010, 02:36 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later. Anyone that thinks Tarvaris is a servicable option for a starting QB in the NFL is mentally challenged. The coaching staff and players, that see him play all the time, begged a delapitated old man to come back and play. Gus Frerrote looks like a hero in comparison to Tarvaris. Tarvaris is a joke in the QB slot when he is given the reigns.

You can rant about the o-line, yes, it has been struggling. But, Tarvaris' ability to read defenses and make good decisions is pathetic. Justifying his existence in the NFL can only be done by his mom, ah, and marrdro and singersp. Other than that, nobody would waste their time. Like I've mentioned before, Aaroon Brooks was to Jim Haslett as Tarvaris Jackson was to Brad Childress. Hopefully the Vikings can turn the corner now and get a QB like the Saints did.

HEY
12-14-2010, 02:41 PM
I had eye surgery this week so I wasn't able to wwatch the game. It was the only game I missed this season, but judging from the highlights and various comments I will say that I'm not very sad that I missed it. In my book, Frazier is still 2-0 ;)

singersp
12-14-2010, 02:45 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

marshallvike
12-14-2010, 02:55 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

singersp
12-14-2010, 02:57 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later. Anyone that thinks Tarvaris is a servicable option for a starting QB in the NFL is mentally challenged. The coaching staff and players, that see him play all the time, begged a delapitated old man to come back and play. Gus Frerrote looks like a hero in comparison to Tarvaris. Tarvaris is a joke in the QB slot when he is given the reigns.

You can rant about the o-line, yes, it has been struggling. But, Tarvaris' ability to read defenses and make good decisions is pathetic. Justifying his existence in the NFL can only be done by his mom, ah, and marrdro and singersp. Other than that, nobody would waste their time. Like I've mentioned before, Aaroon Brooks was to Jim Haslett as Tarvaris Jackson was to Brad Childress. Hopefully the Vikings can turn the corner now and get a QB like the Saints did.

And AD's shitty performance? Surely you can find a way to blame that on TJ.

Perhaps the Giants game plan was get pressure on the QB & make them beat you on the ground, same as it was in his rookie year.

Oh wait! Our run game sucked also!

singersp
12-14-2010, 03:01 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later.


BULLSHIT!

We all know that TJ played bad last night, but there's no need to make shit up.

TJ debuted against the Rams in 2006. His rookie year. AD wasn't even drafted until 2007.

Nice try though.

singersp
12-14-2010, 03:06 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 03:08 PM
In the NFC north, going forward, you BETTER have a superior offensive line.

Bank that. I saw it coming three years ago, unfortunately I have been howling at the moon, mostly.

Not a serviceable line, not a good line, a GREAT line. We are ALL going to need that to be seriously competitive.
Agree, but there are very few "Great" OLines out there. Most teams get by with Avg or above Avg.

Problem last night was we only had 3 fifths of our above avg OL out there against arguably one of the best pass rushing defenses in the league.

I long for the days when our defense could play like that. By the way, in the NFC North, I think its more important to have a "Great DL" my friend. ;)

singersp
12-14-2010, 03:13 PM
Boy, how silly the fans look that claimed Favre would teach/mentor TJ some things.

Only once did it show him giving his 2 cents worth to the coach/TJ. The rest of the time he was too busy yaking it up with other players to be concerned at all about his team.

2beersTommy
12-14-2010, 03:30 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

I'd say more likely they stuck with him because they needed to ie the backup wasn't worth a light .... in TJ's case we don't have to stick with him after this season. ;)
I'm not ready to give up on TJ yet.

Anyone who watched that game saw a kid on fire and who was almost our only offense until he and AD whacked knees.

I must have watched a different game

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 03:30 PM
My thoughts..........

TJ. Bad. Threw an INT and bobbled a bad snap (that he should have handled), over threw a wide open RB in a screen, and maybe could have tucked the ball when he was getting sacked all the time a bit better.

Good. Made good decisions with the ball for the most part. His passes were on target. Several dropped balls (one a sure TD) didn't help his cause. Before the bad knee he showed good escapability and when none of the WR's were open down field he threw it out of harms way.

I'm curioius if you watched the same game we all did.

For the first drive, his throws were good... until they weren't. Overthrows all over the place. Overthrew Berrian multiple times, one to the corner that would have been a very nice throw, overthrown screens, overthrown deep balls, one was vintage TJ, and thrown 15 yards OB. He had more bad throws than good. Yes, there was pressure in his face all day, but that is because the Giants could blitz recklessly, knowing a) TJ will most likely not find the open receiver and b) if he finds him, he won't hit him accurately.

Also, when taking a sack, TUCK THE DAMN BALL! I'm surprised he hasn't fumbled yet. Chicago's gotta be licking their chops. They know if they can get a hand on TJ, all they have to do is smack that ball out and its a turnover.


In the end, his stat line wasn't great but hell, look at AD's........Are we gonna shitcan him now as well?
Wasn't great?
I suppose that isn't false. Wanna know what else it wasn't? It wasn't good. It wasn't ok. It wasn't even barely acceptable. It was brutal. 50% for 118 and a pick? That's bad football any way you slice it. Hell, even Tad is admitting TJ played like crap and probably isn't the guy. If he's admitting it, that should be an indication.

For 4 years now we've been saying "he just needs a bit more time, its unfair to throw him out so early, I want to see him practice with the first team during the week" Well guess what, he got all of that. And he still played like garbage.

OL. Worst game of the season IMHO. Damn I hate penalties by the OL. I can live with almost any other penality but those kill us, especially after TJ makes a nice throw on first down and gets us in 2nd and short.I can't argue with anything there. Penalties all over the place, missed blocks, bad reads, bad blitz pickups. Bad all-around.

One thing I never noticed, was how the backs did picking up blocks. I really don't want to go back and re-watch either, so any comments?


RB's. I know the knee probably slowed him down but hell, were was AD early on before that? I liked what I saw out of our newest RB though. Nice return ability and a nice catch and run.
AD was being hammered in the backfield all day. That's what happens when your QB doesn't even make the defense leave a safety deep. Nothing, 11 men within 10 yards of the LOS. Hard to run the ball that way.

Although I am really impressed with BOoker. After he took that first kickoff, I got a feeling he might break a long one, as all his returns were that close. Sure enough, he rips off a TD, only to be nullified by a boneheaded block by Brinkley, that wasn't even needed.



TE's. Did they even show up? Nope, I saw penalties on both Shanc and Sauce I believe so they must have been there. I saw a few nice catches. Shank on the sideline, I didn't know he had such nimble toes. But every good play was countered by a bad play it seems. Sometimes more than one bad play.



WR's. A couple of nice graps, but some easy drops as well.. El Syd, maybe TJ could have held it a fraction of a second longer giving you more flight time but damn, you live off of throws like that and BB, you could still be running if you would have caught that one.
Agree. Also, on that Rice fade in the endzone. If TJ maybe puts that in a good location rather than making Rice dive to the ground in an endzone fade (normally fade's don't work like that) we're looking at a whole new ball game.

Berrian sucks.


DB's. You guys get a pass. Heck, I don't even blame the S's for the 73yarder. Thats on our RDE and MLB. One of the few groups who came to play.
Corners get a pass. Allen sucks in man coverage. Why they left him manned up in single coverage with no safety help is beyond me. We are lucky Eli put that ball out of reach, otherwise that's an easy 6.

And you don't blame the S's? Why do they get a pass? Yes, its the DL and LB's job to make sure the back doesn't get to the safeties, but guess what, it's going to happen. We need our Safeties to make a play if needed. What about hte other 3-4 long runs? do they get a pass too?

It was almost funny watching Madieu Williams try and tackle Jacobs. a) he got outrun by a 260 RB, b) he looked scared trying to get an angle on him, nevermind trying to tackle. That guy is trash, and needs a replacement next year.



LB's. As with the DB's. One of the few bright spots.
if you consider letting up our first 200 yard rushing performance since 2005 bright, then yes, I suppose you're right.



DL. Most are giving you a pass and blaming the offense. How about getting off the field once in awhile? I think most will now realize this is one of our weak areas and not a strengtht anymore.
In the first half, we dominated the TOP, second half, the other way around. The blame doesn't ONLY go on the DL, LB's and S's help.

I will give the safeties credit for one thing though. They helped make sure our D could get off the field quickly. Unfortunately it was usually after letting up a huge play.

our DL did have some great plays though. Some excellent jobs in run support on third downs when we needed to get the ball back. Pressures, and tackles for a loss. KW was all over the place. Unfortunately, 3 plays and a punt later, they're right back on the field. I suppose that's their fault we keep going 3-and out right?



ST's. Nothing to say here. Like the DB's and LB'rs they came to play.

They played well. IMO the ONLY bright spot of the day
Coaching. WOW.



Start with Frazier, move on to Bevs, get the DL coaches, fire the OL coaches, get rid of Theenimay (oh wait he's leaving). No one should be allowed to stay out of this group.

This team needed coaching last night and didn't have it.

It really depends. Who will we get? If there's no well-established coach available, or willing to come here, fraizer might be our best bet.

Prophet
12-14-2010, 03:33 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later.


BULLSHIT!

We all know that TJ played bad last night, but there's no need to make shit up.

TJ debuted against the Rams in 2006. His rookie year. AD wasn't even drafted until 2007.

Nice try though.

You are so literal. I don't try, I do.

Substitute running game for AD. It's no secret that every defense in the NFL since its inception stops the run and forces a rookie QB to go into the air because the rooks suck ass. The only problem is that Tarvaris is in his fifth year and it still works to put the rookie defense against him. He is pathetic when he is given the reigns as the starter. There is nothing there to prove otherwise, unless you want to go back to the infamous Arizona game two years ago.

AD sucked too, because the o-line sucked...and, oh yeah, they stacked the box on him because guess who was QBing. The infamous Tarvaris 'never will be' Jackson was the field general against a good D. It is painful to see him as QB. Call it hate or whatever you want. It's calling a spade a spade. He has had five years learning the EXACT SAME SYSTEM and he still reads a defense as well as an underaged sex-slaved whore can comprehend the ramblings of Leibniz.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 03:41 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later. Anyone that thinks Tarvaris is a servicable option for a starting QB in the NFL is mentally challenged. The coaching staff and players, that see him play all the time, begged a delapitated old man to come back and play. Gus Frerrote looks like a hero in comparison to Tarvaris. Tarvaris is a joke in the QB slot when he is given the reigns.

You can rant about the o-line, yes, it has been struggling. But, Tarvaris' ability to read defenses and make good decisions is pathetic. Justifying his existence in the NFL can only be done by his mom, ah, and marrdro and singersp. Other than that, nobody would waste their time. Like I've mentioned before, Aaroon Brooks was to Jim Haslett as Tarvaris Jackson was to Brad Childress. Hopefully the Vikings can turn the corner now and get a QB like the Saints did.
LOL, color me mentally challenged them my friend. He looked good when he could move around and avoid the rush/buy time for his recievers.

When he banged his knee/hurt his foot it all went south cause up until then he was the only offense.

That is a sad thing to say considering the talent we have at RB.

On a side note, glad to see ya posting again. Your presence has been missed. B)

2beersTommy
12-14-2010, 03:42 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later.


BULLSHIT!

We all know that TJ played bad last night, but there's no need to make shit up.

TJ debuted against the Rams in 2006. His rookie year. AD wasn't even drafted until 2007.

Nice try though.

You are so literal. I don't try, I do.

Substitute running game for AD. It's no secret that every defense in the NFL since its inception stops the run and forces a rookie QB to go into the air because the rooks suck ass. The only problem is that Tarvaris is in his fifth year and it still works to put the rookie defense against him. He is pathetic when he is given the reigns as the starter. There is nothing there to prove otherwise, unless you want to go back to the infamous Arizona game two years ago.

AD sucked too, because the o-line sucked...and, oh yeah, they stacked the box on him because guess who was QBing. The infamous Tarvaris 'never will be' Jackson was the field general against a good D. It is painful to see him as QB. Call it hate or whatever you want. It's calling a spade a spade. He has had five years learning the EXACT SAME SYSTEM and he still reads a defense as well as an underaged sex-slaved whore can comprehend the ramblings of Leibniz. +1 very well put!

singersp
12-14-2010, 03:43 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later.


BULLSHIT!

We all know that TJ played bad last night, but there's no need to make shit up.

TJ debuted against the Rams in 2006. His rookie year. AD wasn't even drafted until 2007.

Nice try though.

You are so literal. I don't try, I do.

Substitute running game for AD. It's no secret that every defense in the NFL since its inception stops the run and forces a rookie QB to go into the air because the rooks suck ass. The only problem is that Tarvaris is in his fifth year and it still works to put the rookie defense against him. He is pathetic when he is given the reigns as the starter. There is nothing there to prove otherwise, unless you want to go back to the infamous Arizona game two years ago.

AD sucked too, because the o-line sucked...and, oh yeah, they stacked the box on him because guess who was QBing. The infamous Tarvaris 'never will be' Jackson was the field general against a good D. It is painful to see him as QB. Call it hate or whatever you want. It's calling a spade a spade. He has had five years learning the EXACT SAME SYSTEM and he still reads a defense as well as an underaged sex-slaved whore can comprehend the ramblings of Leibniz.

They stacked the box on AD even when Favre was QBing. That hasn't changed much in 4 years.

I still contend the game plan, when TJ was in there 4 years ago & yesterday, was to apply pressure & go after the young QB, rather than go after the RB & allow the QB to try & beat you in the air.

Most teams will always go after the rookie/less experienced QB.

If targeting the RB was the defenses game plan 4 years ago, we would have not seen the production we did out of AD.

AD exploits holes, he rarely creates them. Typically if he's hit at at behind the line, he's going down.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 03:46 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

As if you hadn't been waiting for Favre to play horribly after his stellar year last year.

tastywaves
12-14-2010, 03:47 PM
I had eye surgery this week so I wasn't able to wwatch the game. It was the only game I missed this season, but judging from the highlights and various comments I will say that I'm not very sad that I missed it. In my book, Frazier is still 2-0 ;)

Trust me, you didn't miss much. I think I yawned more than Aikman watching this pathetic display of football. I've seen pre-season games with better execution and passion.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 03:49 PM
On a side note, Marty.. isn't it time to change your personal message under your Avatar? Favre took a seat just like you asked. :P

NodakPaul
12-14-2010, 03:49 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later.


BULLSHIT!

We all know that TJ played bad last night, but there's no need to make shit up.

TJ debuted against the Rams in 2006. His rookie year. AD wasn't even drafted until 2007.

Nice try though.

You are so literal. I don't try, I do.

Substitute running game for AD. It's no secret that every defense in the NFL since its inception stops the run and forces a rookie QB to go into the air because the rooks suck ass. The only problem is that Tarvaris is in his fifth year and it still works to put the rookie defense against him. He is pathetic when he is given the reigns as the starter. There is nothing there to prove otherwise, unless you want to go back to the infamous Arizona game two years ago.

AD sucked too, because the o-line sucked...and, oh yeah, they stacked the box on him because guess who was QBing. The infamous Tarvaris 'never will be' Jackson was the field general against a good D. It is painful to see him as QB. Call it hate or whatever you want. It's calling a spade a spade. He has had five years learning the EXACT SAME SYSTEM and he still reads a defense as well as an underaged sex-slaved whore can comprehend the ramblings of Leibniz. +1 very well put!
I agree. Very well put.

I would try and add my 2 cents about why TJack is a great back up but will never be a starter... but it would be pointless because I think that everyone who CAN accept that fact already has. The TJack experiment is over, and his best chance of remaining with this team left with his only fan - Childress.

Here's looking ahead to a great 2011.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 03:52 PM
I can honestly say that I hope we lose the rest of the games this season. It gives us no benefit to win any of them.

On a side note. The vikings net yards tonight was 164. Pathetic. You know the last time we had fewer than that??? Week 1, 2006 against the Pukers. Retardius's first start. We had 104 net yards that game and the next day Childo told Kevin Seifert that his offense was the KAO. The rest is history
Other than that would make them quiters.

Again, sad to see fans wanting to watch thier team loose. In all the anti-Noodle stuff you heard from me over the last 2 years, never once did I want them to loose so I could hack on the Noodle my friend.

LOL!!! That's not the reason at all. I want them to lost because I'm so sick of having the 16th pick of the draft or the 23rd or whatever the hell we have. The dreaded middle, it's useless. I want us to lose because we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and we clearly have many glaring holes in this team and the earlier we draft the better it is for the future of our team. Losing now=winning in the future

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 03:56 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Actually Favre has never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating.

Miami game: 44.3 QB rating

Bears game: 44.5 QB rating

GB game: 50.4 QB rating

GB game: 51.2 QB rating

Do you purposefully ignore what people write? He said, "never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating" Which of those games did he throw for under 118 yards?

Prophet
12-14-2010, 03:56 PM
Game planning against the Vikings offense when Tarvaris is QB is effortless, stop AD and force Tarvaris to beat them in the air. That was the game plan when he made his first appearance against the Rams in his rookie year and it is the game plan five years later. Anyone that thinks Tarvaris is a servicable option for a starting QB in the NFL is mentally challenged. The coaching staff and players, that see him play all the time, begged a delapitated old man to come back and play. Gus Frerrote looks like a hero in comparison to Tarvaris. Tarvaris is a joke in the QB slot when he is given the reigns.

You can rant about the o-line, yes, it has been struggling. But, Tarvaris' ability to read defenses and make good decisions is pathetic. Justifying his existence in the NFL can only be done by his mom, ah, and marrdro and singersp. Other than that, nobody would waste their time. Like I've mentioned before, Aaroon Brooks was to Jim Haslett as Tarvaris Jackson was to Brad Childress. Hopefully the Vikings can turn the corner now and get a QB like the Saints did.
LOL, color me mentally challenged them my friend. He looked good when he could move around and avoid the rush/buy time for his recievers.

When he banged his knee/hurt his foot it all went south cause up until then he was the only offense.

That is a sad thing to say considering the talent we have at RB.

On a side note, glad to see ya posting again. Your presence has been missed. B)

If you have ever posted, even once, on pp.o you are mentally challenged to some degree. So, don't take it too personally. PP.O is a shallow gene pool by definition.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 03:58 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)
haha I know..my overall opinion of T-Jack hasn't changed too much. I still think a lot of positive things about his abilities despite last night.

I'm mostly mad because the one thing this game did prove is that he won't be back next year. I don't know if he has more chances this season or not, but there's nothing he can do to erase this game in the minds of people that matter. He blew it.

And for about 5 of us here, that came as a surprise and it sucks.

Actually for most people it sucks because I'm pretty sure everyone here wanted him to pan out, we just can see that he's obviously worthless in the NFL. And if this game proved he won't be back next year, than praise the Lord for this game. How can you honestly want this reject as a QB?

I don't know what argument you guys will use because the whole "last 5 starts were amazing" argument just flew right out the window.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 03:58 PM
Find it rather funny there were still people that thaught TJack was a decent qb. If nothing else at least we can say there will be an end to having to read such stupid posts.
Because of one game?

If anything we saw nothing other than he can get broke like most of us feared early in his career. Until he whacked knees with AD he looked good. Heck he was the only offense we had up until that point.

Talk about hypocrisy. Aren't you all down on Frazier after this game? AFTER ONE GAME???

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:03 PM
Saw some classic TJoke throws tonight.

Thanx, but he threw some terrible throws also.

First series....
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Bernard Berrian to Min38 for 8 yards
Shanc Penalty.
Two piss poor runs by AD.
Shanc Drop

What a shitty job by TJ.

Next series........
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Sidney Rice to NYG25 for 9 yards

2 no gains by AD.
2 yard gain by TJ.
7 Yard by AD (Finally)
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Lorenzo Booker to NYG10 for 6 yards
AD 2 yards
TJ Rice for 5 yards
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.

Another shitty job by TJ.

Next Series.....

Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Sidney Rice to NYG49 for 16 yards
AD short gain.
AD and TJ hit knees and it was all downhill from there.

Yah, Tarvaris can really throw those dumpoffs and passes to a wide open Sidney Rice. Look, we saw what TJ can against a real defense, and like most of us predicted, it is JACK SQUAT. And do you think that maybe AD couldn't run all night was because the defense put 12 in the box (tahi included) to stop him because they KNEW that Tjoke couldn't make them pay?

I think I would trust every coach in the league over Marrdro and Tad's word. And every coach in the league knows that TJ aint shit and that's why they aren't worried about him

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:04 PM
We got rid if childress who was the mastermind behind this abomination.
We sure didn't see much out of Frazier last night. Well, other than he got the guys together on the sideline. WOW, like that was gonna help.

Only way to fix this is to get rid of the whole staff, starting with the DL coach. 2 100 yard rushers.

I can't believe everyone is giving them a pass and saying it was because of all the 3 and outs. I think those cats need to look at the box score and see how many 3 and outs actually happened before that 73 yarder came out of Jacobs.


Now we are well on the way to being rid of jackson and revamping that pathetic OL that has been hampering the team for years and then we can look to retooling and improving.
The OL was definately overmatched last night. But thier biggest issue last night wasn't blocking, it was fricken penalties and bad snaps (TJ should've handled one of them though).

Only one that didn't get a penalty was Cook.

Cook had a false start

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:06 PM
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.



LOL! Dropped?

That was an endzone fade. Do you know how that works? You throw it high and outside shoulder so your tall posession receiver can out jump his guy, using his body to shield the defender and make the catch. That ball was awful.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:09 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Actually I was expecting TJoke to implode, just not hoping for it. I was happy with his play early on, but when he started sucking it up, I wasn't surprised.

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:10 PM
Boy, how silly the fans look that claimed Favre would teach/mentor TJ some things.

Only once did it show him giving his 2 cents worth to the coach/TJ. The rest of the time he was too busy yaking it up with other players to be concerned at all about his team.

LOL! This is so hilarious. Now you're blaming Tartardius's shitty play on Favre. WHEN WILL IT END!!!!!!!!!!

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:14 PM
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.



LOL! Dropped?

That was an endzone fade. Do you know how that works? You throw it high and outside shoulder so your tall posession receiver can out jump his guy, using his body to shield the defender and make the catch. That ball was awful.

Can you imagine if Favre threw that ball?

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:14 PM
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.



LOL! Dropped?

That was an endzone fade. Do you know how that works? You throw it high and outside shoulder so your tall posession receiver can out jump his guy, using his body to shield the defender and make the catch. That ball was awful.

Can you imagine if Favre threw that ball?

yeah, it would have been a TD.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:17 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

Yes, it was shameful.

But at least it was instructive for some who insisted that Favre was the problem.

The team (starting with the O-Line) let TJ down, just as they have let Favre down most of the year.

We're just damned lucky we had Favre to carry the team most of the season or we'd probably have ZERO wins.

He paid by getting battered mercilessly and getting knocked out of some games and finally is out for good.

Thanks Brett and well-done.

jargomcfargo
12-14-2010, 04:23 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

The Oline is the biggest problem, imo. More so than the QB, receivers and RBs combined. To be honest, I don't think they were much (if any) better when Herrera and Hutch were playing.

I agree with this. Many a mediocre quarterback has looked good with a great offensive line.
Naturally, the Vikings wouldn't know much about that since the days of Culpepper.
Yes Culpepper had Carter and Moss, but his Oline was excellent.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:28 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
The standard answer to that one will be....."He's proved something so we will cut him some slack for looking bad, TJ hasn't proved anything".

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:30 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
The standard answer to that one will be....."He's proved something so we will cut him some slack for looking bad, TJ hasn't proved anything".

So are you saying TJ deserves another chance but Peterson doesn't?

12purplepride28
12-14-2010, 04:32 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
The standard answer to that one will be....."He's proved something so we will cut him some slack for looking bad, TJ hasn't proved anything".

I think the standard answer is:

Adrian Peterson is the best running back in the league and everyone has off games. And no one can run on 12 men in the box.
Tjoke is.... just that. A JOKE. He isn't good and maybe if this game was an aberration people would give him slack but when it's what we come to expect from him then maybe it's time to cut ties.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 04:34 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

Marrdro said:
Sure he looked bad. Can you imagine how bad the Noodle would have looked?

Atleast TJ got out of the way of things and looked good before the knee to knee with AD.

Marrdro and Singersp are not just eating crow today, they're choking on crow.....so we'll allow them to say a few ridiculous things in their inevitably ludicrous attempts to save face.

This game showed them to be wrong on everything.

It's a new day, boys.

:D

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:36 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Actually I was expecting TJoke to implode, just not hoping for it. I was happy with his play early on, but when he started sucking it up, I wasn't surprised.
And you can trace that "Sucking" to the point right after the knee to knee injury.

When he could get out and move around he looked good, however, when he was a statue and stuck in the pocket, well, he looked like the Noodle only with another number on.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:37 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Actually I was expecting TJoke to implode, just not hoping for it. I was happy with his play early on, but when he started sucking it up, I wasn't surprised.
And you can trace that "Sucking" to the point right after the knee to knee injury.

When he could get out and move around he looked good, however, when he was a statue and stuck in the pocket, well, he looked like the Noodle only with another number on.

Or, you can trace it to his first bad throw, then he got rattled as he usually does when the pressure's on, then he collapsed.

You realize, when he was "effective" we got ONE first down, punted. Then on an interception, we moved the ball about 20 yards and kicked a field goal. Yep, that's might effective QB play.

Prophet
12-14-2010, 04:39 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

Marrdro said:
Sure he looked bad. Can you imagine how bad the Noodle would have looked?

Atleast TJ got out of the way of things and looked good before the knee to knee with AD.

Marrdro and Singersp are not just eating crow today, they're choking on crow.....so we'll allow them to say a few ridiculous things in their inevitably ludicrous attempts to save face.

This game showed them to be wrong on everything.

It's a new day, boys.

:D

lol

You could always default to AD having a bad day too, well, except for the fact that he has proven himself and has the NFL's single-game rushing record.

You could always default to saying how much Favre has sucked this season, well, except for the fact that he will be a first-ballot hall-of-famer regardless of how crappy he played this season.

In Tarvaris' defense you could always defer to one game two years ago when he looked good to justify your stance. But, if you did that you would look foolish.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:39 PM
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.



LOL! Dropped?

That was an endzone fade. Do you know how that works? You throw it high and outside shoulder so your tall posession receiver can out jump his guy, using his body to shield the defender and make the catch. That ball was awful.

Can you imagine if Favre threw that ball?
LOL, Endzone fade my ass. Go watch the tape. No way that ball was going high and into the back corner.

Both TJ and El Syd were on the same page with that throw, El Syd just dropped it.

Again, as I said in my post game comments, TJ could have probably held it a fraction of a second longer allowing Syd to have more travel time to watch but it was still on target for were they were going with the ball.

.....snicker......Endzone fade. WOW.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:41 PM
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.



LOL! Dropped?

That was an endzone fade. Do you know how that works? You throw it high and outside shoulder so your tall posession receiver can out jump his guy, using his body to shield the defender and make the catch. That ball was awful.

Can you imagine if Favre threw that ball?
LOL, Endzone fade my ass. Go watch the tape. No way that ball was going high and into the back corner.

Both TJ and El Syd were on the same page with that throw, El Syd just dropped it.

Again, as I said in my post game comments, TJ could have probably held it a fraction of a second longer allowing Syd to have more travel time to watch but it was still on target for were they were going with the ball.

.....snicker......Endzone fade. WOW.

Yes, that makes sense. Use our best receiver in jump ball situations with a height advantage, and throw it to his feet. Brilliant! Chilly must have left a few nuggets in the playobook that Bevell overlooked when cleaning up.

Endzone fade.....

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:42 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

Yes, it was shameful.

But at least it was instructive for some who insisted that Favre was the problem.

The team (starting with the O-Line) let TJ down, just as they have let Favre down most of the year.

We're just damned lucky we had Favre to carry the team most of the season or we'd probably have ZERO wins.

He paid by getting battered mercilessly and getting knocked out of some games and finally is out for good.

Thanks Brett and well-done.
Find me one place were I said the Noodle was the sole blame for our problems.

What I've said repeatedly is that his inability to get out of the pocket/move around a bit was the problem. Just like last night, when our QB's can move around a bit things click. When they can't, well, it just doesn't.

Go back, watch the game. Early on TJ was our only offense. When he and AD smacked knees, he couldn't do that as well anymore.

NordicNed
12-14-2010, 04:43 PM
Not much to say here. I've seen High School Teams play better than we did last night. Just pathetic...

It was okay with me to see Favre AKA Noodle on the sidelines, he belonged there weeks ago, being so banged up.

But as I've said from day one, TJ will never be a starting grade QB in this league. Fact is, I came up with my own nick name for him last night.

Like Mars refures to Favre as Noodle

TJ will forever on be known to me as T " Chicken Wing " Jackson hahahahahha

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:46 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

Yes, it was shameful.

But at least it was instructive for some who insisted that Favre was the problem.

The team (starting with the O-Line) let TJ down, just as they have let Favre down most of the year.

We're just damned lucky we had Favre to carry the team most of the season or we'd probably have ZERO wins.

He paid by getting battered mercilessly and getting knocked out of some games and finally is out for good.

Thanks Brett and well-done.
Find me one place were I said the Noodle was the sole blame for our problems.

What I've said repeatedly is that his inability to get out of the pocket/move around a bit was the problem. Just like last night, when our QB's can move around a bit things click. When they can't, well, it just doesn't.

Go back, watch the game. Early on TJ was our only offense. When he and AD smacked knees, he couldn't do that as well anymore.

wow, what will it take for you to concede Jackson is worthless as a QB? a game where he doesn't nearly cripple our best player? His "mobility" is the ONLY thing going for him.

Funny, you claim he lost his mobility, yet many times yesterday I saw him running for his life, A couple times, he stepped up, saw nothing, ran backwards, rolled out and threw the ball away. Those were some of his best plays of the night.

battleaxe4cheese
12-14-2010, 04:49 PM
Well, safe to say that all doubts/questions surrounding the T-Jack experiment have been put to rest. Experiment= FAILED. Some guys got it some don't. Well at least he can pawn his diamond earrings in tell he gets a job at burger king with the bald eagle.
I say at this point start Jobb from here on out. What's the difference? We aren't going to beat the eagles with T-Jack or Jobb but at least he will get some snaps and get his feet wet. Maybe give Vick a run for the money in the scrambling department. He looked fairly calm out there I thought, though that could just be a good poker face.
Can we say rebuilding phase once again...:whistle:

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:49 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
The standard answer to that one will be....."He's proved something so we will cut him some slack for looking bad, TJ hasn't proved anything".

So are you saying TJ deserves another chance but Peterson doesn't?
How did you get something I said when I quoted what I believe others will say?

Check my track record. I tend to cut guys on thier first contract slack as I assume they are gonna make mistakes. Vets on thier second and third (and beyond) contracts, not so much. Even though they will make mistakes, it happens, I tend to hack on them a bit harder than the younger crowd.

Lets try a different tact.....Eli and Sanchize. Garbage or you can just chalk up mistakes to experience level?

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:51 PM
Not much to say here. I've seen High School Teams play better than we did last night. Just pathetic...

It was okay with me to see Favre AKA Noodle on the sidelines, he belonged there weeks ago, being so banged up.

But as I've said from day one, TJ will never be a starting grade QB in this league. Fact is, I came up with my own nick name for him last night.

Like Mars refures to Favre as Noodle

TJ will forever on be known to me as T " Chicken Wing " Jackson hahahahahha
I liked the one I made for him a couple of years ago......SR49.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:53 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
The standard answer to that one will be....."He's proved something so we will cut him some slack for looking bad, TJ hasn't proved anything".

So are you saying TJ deserves another chance but Peterson doesn't?
How did you get something I said when I quoted what I believe others will say?


Then would they be incorrect to say that?

Check my track record. I tend to cut guys on thier first contract slack as I assume they are gonna make mistakes. Vets on thier second and third (and beyond) contracts, not so much. Even though they will make mistakes, it happens, I tend to hack on them a bit harder than the younger crowd.
both AD and TJ are on their first contract. Actually, TJ would be on his second, considering he was an RFA last season.

Lets try a different tact.....Eli and Sanchize. Garbage or you can just chalk up mistakes to experience level?

Eli, ok, but not great QB. Old enough now that experience can't be his excuse. Sanchez, I really don't think will ever be a great QB in the league, and he's definitely overrated now, but yes, experience is an issue, considering he's in his second year. TJ is in his fourth?

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:53 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

Yes, it was shameful.

But at least it was instructive for some who insisted that Favre was the problem.

The team (starting with the O-Line) let TJ down, just as they have let Favre down most of the year.

We're just damned lucky we had Favre to carry the team most of the season or we'd probably have ZERO wins.

He paid by getting battered mercilessly and getting knocked out of some games and finally is out for good.

Thanks Brett and well-done.
Find me one place were I said the Noodle was the sole blame for our problems.

What I've said repeatedly is that his inability to get out of the pocket/move around a bit was the problem. Just like last night, when our QB's can move around a bit things click. When they can't, well, it just doesn't.

Go back, watch the game. Early on TJ was our only offense. When he and AD smacked knees, he couldn't do that as well anymore.

wow, what will it take for you to concede Jackson is worthless as a QB? a game where he doesn't nearly cripple our best player? His "mobility" is the ONLY thing going for him.


Again, how did you come up with that?


Funny, you claim he lost his mobility, yet many times yesterday I saw him running for his life, A couple times, he stepped up, saw nothing, ran backwards, rolled out and threw the ball away. Those were some of his best plays of the night.
You also see the cutaways to the sidelines were they were not only working on his knee but his toes/ankle as well.

Comeon my friend. He was gimping all over the place, especially late.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 04:55 PM
Well, safe to say that all doubts/questions surrounding the T-Jack experiment have been put to rest. Experiment= FAILED. Some guys got it some don't. Well at least he can pawn his diamond earrings in tell he gets a job at burger king with the bald eagle.
I say at this point start Jobb from here on out. What's the difference? We aren't going to beat the eagles with T-Jack or Jobb but at least he will get some snaps and get his feet wet. Maybe give Vick a run for the money in the scrambling department. He looked fairly calm out there I thought, though that could just be a good poker face.
Can we say rebuilding phase once again...:whistle:
We will be rebuilding again, but it won't be because of TJ.

We are gonna see alot of players move on cause the FO pukes didn't sign them in an effort to save some money, but then turned around and gave the Noodle an extra 4 mil.

Mix in the whole issue related to the owner not having alot of funds and instability the coaching level and you are gonna see alot of talent walk off the field and take it elsewhere.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 04:58 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

Yes, it was shameful.

But at least it was instructive for some who insisted that Favre was the problem.

The team (starting with the O-Line) let TJ down, just as they have let Favre down most of the year.

We're just damned lucky we had Favre to carry the team most of the season or we'd probably have ZERO wins.

He paid by getting battered mercilessly and getting knocked out of some games and finally is out for good.

Thanks Brett and well-done.
Find me one place were I said the Noodle was the sole blame for our problems.

What I've said repeatedly is that his inability to get out of the pocket/move around a bit was the problem. Just like last night, when our QB's can move around a bit things click. When they can't, well, it just doesn't.

Go back, watch the game. Early on TJ was our only offense. When he and AD smacked knees, he couldn't do that as well anymore.

wow, what will it take for you to concede Jackson is worthless as a QB? a game where he doesn't nearly cripple our best player? His "mobility" is the ONLY thing going for him.


Again, how did you come up with that?

How did I come up with what? The fact you still make excuses for his god-awful play, because the alternative is Favre? Or the fact he went knee-to-knee with Peterson? Last I checked Knees are sorta important for a runningback. especially one who is already playing hurt.

Or is the mobility part?

You claim he was effective when he was mobile, (which he never really lost, but I'll play your game) by completing a handful of passes for a small bunch of yards. If he was skilled as a passer, mobility should be a luxury, not a need. Uh-oh, turns out not to be the case.

Remember, a good QB should be able to pick apart the blitz. When you blitz more than the OL can block, that means somebody's running free out there. Good QB's will find that guy. Teams can't blitz guys like Brady or Manning the way TJ's being blitzed because the ball is gone before the blitz gets there.



Funny, you claim he lost his mobility, yet many times yesterday I saw him running for his life, A couple times, he stepped up, saw nothing, ran backwards, rolled out and threw the ball away. Those were some of his best plays of the night.
You also see the cutaways to the sidelines were they were not only working on his knee but his toes/ankle as well.

Comeon my friend. He was gimping all over the place, especially late.

Yes, just because he's made of poorly constructed glass, we're supposed to make special exceptions for him?

person a: TJ played like crap yesterday.
person b: nah, he played well, he was just hurt all the time so he couldn't run.
person a: Doesn't that happen quite frequently?
person b: ummmmmmmm... did you see that perfectly thrown ball to Rice's feet?

Zeus
12-14-2010, 04:58 PM
Pathetic.

TJ...what a fricken joke. Yup, good thing he can move. With all the talk about Favre's immobile ass you would think TJ would never get sacked. Think again!!!



That was all they had. Now that is gone. Boy how silly they look.

I was shocked at how awful the game-plan appeared to be. I didn't see a single roll-out or use of a moving pocket in there. They should have known all week that Tarvaris was going to play and played to his "strengths".

=Z=

Minniman
12-14-2010, 05:01 PM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:

I'm not gonna really put too much fault for this blasphemy of a "football game" on Frazier. At one point, he had what appeared to be the entire Offense in a huddle around him, so at least he was trying SOMEthing. Pretty sure we can all imagine Childress just standing there with his usual "I should be doing something right now, but I'm not sure what" look on his face.

You're right about people auditioning for future employers, though...and after this game, they're looking at a pay cut at best. Who the HELL is coaching the O-line again? Did Richard Solomon re-join the team? Whoever it is needs to be GONE after this season...if not before.
I wanted the offensive line coach, Pat Morris, to be replaced prior to the season. The scheme is a failure.


The Defense as a whole gets a passing grade, IMO, for staying tough despite getting no rest due to all the 3-and-outs, and not allowing the Giants to put up 60+ points on us. Karl Dunbar is doing a fairly adequate job as the new DC...let's see if he can keep our Defense from getting man-handled throughout the remaining 3 games, though. He needs to show more before I'd be ready to promote him full-time. May be a moot point anyway after this season...could be looking at an entire coaching staff overhaul.
I disagree. Karl Dunbar has not done a great job as either defensive line coach or coordinator. Watch this game again, and compare and contrast when the Giants do up front to what the Vikings do. The Vikings are as vanilla as ice cream.


The dome's deflation proved to be the bad omen I perceived it as. I didn't want to say anything out loud about it because...well...a fat lot of of good keeping silent did anyway.
Worse than the love boat.


Anybody missing Robert Griffith? I know I am...
Robert Griffith is missed. Considering that he was not even a top tier cornerback, that says a lot about how bad the defensive backs are on the Vikings roster.


and while we're on the subject of missing people...get better SOON, Percy!!!
The issue coaches, fans, and football commentators must understand is that what Harvin has is chronic. It cannot be cured, and there are limits to what can be done to medicate and control it. In a way, saying, "Get better soon," is like telling someone with cerebral palsy to get out of the wheelchair soon. I understand your sentiments, but I hope you understand the situation with Harvin.

I certainly hope the coaches do not view Harvin as a slacker because he gets chronic migraines. Much of it is not in Harvin's control. Cluster migraines are debilitating in a way that most people do not understand because there are no external symptoms. People do not understand because they have no idea what they feel like, and they believe that migraines are just bad headaches like everyone gets. Cluster migraines when compared to headaches are more like kidney stones when compared to a sore back. Cluster migraines are called "suicide headaches" in the medical community for good reasons.


Oh yeah, one more thing: FIRE BEVELL!!!
Bevell was an extension of Childress. I do not see him returning to the Vikings whenever the next season will be.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 05:04 PM
Then would they be incorrect to say that?

Yes, no way in hell you base a assesment of a player based on one game. All we know is that TJ looked like crap facing a defense that makes all QBs look like crap because of the pressure they bring.

Hell, I saw someone actually say I want to see Webb but with no pressure. All I want to see is TJ run with the ones over a span of time.


both AD and TJ are on their first contract. Actually, TJ would be on his second, considering he was an RFA last season.
LOL, if you want to call the tender they all recieved a contract, OK, I'll agree.


Eli, ok, but not great QB. Old enough now that experience can't be his excuse. Sanchez, I really don't think will ever be a great QB in the league, and he's definitely overrated now, but yes, experience is an issue, considering he's in his second year. TJ is in his fourth?
1 is in his 5th, one is in his second. Both make mistakes. Why wouldn't we expect to see TJ make mistakes.

Hell, the Noodle is in his bazillionth and he still makes multiple gaffs. Again, why not TJ especially considering the circumstances last night?

Long story short. He looked like crap, but for the most part the whole fricken offense looked like crap.

When was the last time you saw a C throwing it around like that? When was the last time you saw that many penalties? When was the last time you saw our RB get so few yards? When was the last time you saw the WR's struggling to get uncovered (Well I think that has happend alot lately).

TJ bares some of the blame but you can't lay this one at his feet like almost all of you are doing. This starts at the HC and stinks all the way down my friend.

jargomcfargo
12-14-2010, 05:04 PM
What makes the endless debate about quarterbacks tiresome for me is the fact that the team sucks. Yes the quarterback is the most important part of the team. But this team would be bad if Tom Brady was back there.
So debate between Favre and TJ is no longer relevant.
Neither will be with the team next year.

As we close out this miserable season, I want to see effort. I never mind losing as bad if I see effort.
Haven't seen enough by some players this year.
And there are those who lack ability who I won't mention.

Going to be rebuilding a bit, but face it, this team needs it.

Prophet
12-14-2010, 05:05 PM
...Yes, just because he's made of poorly constructed glass, we're supposed to make special exceptions for him?

person a: TJ played like crap yesterday.
person b: nah, he played well, he was just hurt all the time so he couldn't run.
person a: Doesn't that happen quite frequently?
person b: ummmmmmmm... did you see that perfectly thrown ball to Rice's feet?

lmao.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 05:09 PM
Then would they be incorrect to say that?

Yes, no way in hell you base a assesment of a player based on one game. All we know is that TJ looked like crap facing a defense that makes all QBs look like crap because of the pressure they bring.
I would agree with you.... if in fact this was TJ's first game.

unfortunately, he has a career full of bad performances, and only one or two actual good ones. I'm not basing this off of one game. I'm basing it off of many games. He had two games to show that maybe he learned a thing or two on the bench, and unfortunately, it does not appear that he did. He played like crap last week, and he played like crap this week. What more do you want?


Hell, I saw someone actually say I want to see Webb but with no pressure. All I want to see is TJ run with the ones over a span of time.
I'd like to see Webb. I'm not expecting much out of him, but it would be entertaining at least.



both AD and TJ are on their first contract. Actually, TJ would be on his second, considering he was an RFA last season.
LOL, if you want to call the tender they all recieved a contract, OK, I'll agree.
Well, they brought him back no? Clearly they expect more out of him than what they got.



Eli, ok, but not great QB. Old enough now that experience can't be his excuse. Sanchez, I really don't think will ever be a great QB in the league, and he's definitely overrated now, but yes, experience is an issue, considering he's in his second year. TJ is in his fourth?
1 is in his 5th, one is in his second. Both make mistakes. Why wouldn't we expect to see TJ make mistakes.
Are you saying Eli makes comparable mistakes to TJ? [/quote]



Hell, the Noodle is in his bazillionth and he still makes multiple gaffs. Again, why not TJ especially considering the circumstances last night? Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.


Long story short. He looked like crap, but for the most part the whole fricken offense looked like crap.
Ah, yes. But when Favre looks like crap, you're first in line for the blame train.


When was the last time you saw a C throwing it around like that? When was the last time you saw that many penalties? When was the last time you saw our RB get so few yards? When was the last time you saw the WR's struggling to get uncovered (Well I think that has happend alot lately).
Not sure, but I'm willing to bet TJ was the QB then too.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 05:12 PM
How did I come up with what? The fact you still make excuses for his god-awful play, because the alternative is Favre? Or the fact he went knee-to-knee with Peterson? Last I checked Knees are sorta important for a runningback. especially one who is already playing hurt.

Or is the mobility part?

You claim he was effective when he was mobile, (which he never really lost, but I'll play your game) by completing a handful of passes for a small bunch of yards. If he was skilled as a passer, mobility should be a luxury, not a need. Uh-oh, turns out not to be the case.

Remember, a good QB should be able to pick apart the blitz. When you blitz more than the OL can block, that means somebody's running free out there. Good QB's will find that guy. Teams can't blitz guys like Brady or Manning the way TJ's being blitzed because the ball is gone before the blitz gets there.
Were am I making excuses. One more time for possible penetration. He played like crap.

My only point was the whole fricken offense played like crap as well. Absolutely inexcusable to watch a QB throw a nice ball on first down, get it to second and short were the play action will work, only to see it come back cause of a penalty.

I hate that crap and hacked against it when it happened to the Noodle.

Making excuses my ass. Your just being selective in what you read again.B) B)


Yes, just because he's made of poorly constructed glass, we're supposed to make special exceptions for him?

person a: TJ played like crap yesterday.
person b: nah, he played well, he was just hurt all the time so he couldn't run.
person a: Doesn't that happen quite frequently?
person b: ummmmmmmm... did you see that perfectly thrown ball to Rice's feet?
Again, were in the hell did you get that I was making exceptions for him. Hell it was the biggest knock I had on him was his inability to stay healthy. Truth of the matter is, I was pleasantly suprised to see him come back out after both injuries.

Problem here is you guys refuse to look at anyone but TJ for that ass whippin. No team takes an ass whippin like that just because of the QB. Even in his worst day you never saw me blame the Noodle solely. Never.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 05:15 PM
Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.

What were his bad plays last night? One botched snap, one INT, a overthrow on a RB wideopen in a screen, holds the ball to loose when he was sacked.

For the INT I saw atleast 5 times he got rid of it when there was nothing. For the missed RB I saw some damn nice throws to guys when we needed it.

Not gonna make excuses or explain away the loose ball. It drives me nuts.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 05:17 PM
How did I come up with what? The fact you still make excuses for his god-awful play, because the alternative is Favre? Or the fact he went knee-to-knee with Peterson? Last I checked Knees are sorta important for a runningback. especially one who is already playing hurt.

Or is the mobility part?

You claim he was effective when he was mobile, (which he never really lost, but I'll play your game) by completing a handful of passes for a small bunch of yards. If he was skilled as a passer, mobility should be a luxury, not a need. Uh-oh, turns out not to be the case.

Remember, a good QB should be able to pick apart the blitz. When you blitz more than the OL can block, that means somebody's running free out there. Good QB's will find that guy. Teams can't blitz guys like Brady or Manning the way TJ's being blitzed because the ball is gone before the blitz gets there.
Were am I making excuses. One more time for possible penetration. He played like crap.
You've been making excuses all day. You blame the OL, you blame the WR's, you claim that we shouldn't judge him based on ONE game because he was hurt and couldn't run. Those all came out of your mouth.(well, not really mouth, but ya know)


My only point was the whole fricken offense played like crap as well. Absolutely inexcusable to watch a QB throw a nice ball on first down, get it to second and short were the play action will work, only to see it come back cause of a penalty.

I agree. It's also inexcusable to see a QB shorthop balls to open receivers time and time again, most of the time without any pressure.

[quote]
I hate that crap and hacked against it when it happened to the Noodle.

Making excuses my ass. Your just being selective in what you read again.B) B)
My apologies for interpreting what you say as what you mean.


[quote]Yes, just because he's made of poorly constructed glass, we're supposed to make special exceptions for him?

person a: TJ played like crap yesterday.
person b: nah, he played well, he was just hurt all the time so he couldn't run.
person a: Doesn't that happen quite frequently?
person b: ummmmmmmm... did you see that perfectly thrown ball to Rice's feet?
Again, were in the hell did you get that I was making exceptions for him. Hell it was the biggest knock I had on him was his inability to stay healthy. Truth of the matter is, I was pleasantly suprised to see him come back out after both injuries.

Problem here is you guys refuse to look at anyone but TJ for that ass whippin. No team takes an ass whippin like that just because of the QB. Even in his worst day you never saw me blame the Noodle solely. Never.

I've already called out everyone who underperformed, which was mostly the entire teams. Now, my focus is on ridiculous claims that TJ wasn't that bad. That we shouldn't judge his performance on only ONE game.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 05:19 PM
Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.

What were his bad plays last night? One botched snap, one INT, a overthrow on a RB wideopen in a screen, holds the ball to loose when he was sacked.

For the INT I saw atleast 5 times he got rid of it when there was nothing. For the missed RB I saw some damn nice throws to guys when we needed it.

Not gonna make excuses or explain away the loose ball. It drives me nuts.

I'm not going to go through and re-watch, but there were many poor throws, and bad reads. For starters, he can't find his hot read to save his life. As soon as the blitz comes, he either runs, or doesn't realize he's being hit until its too late.

Next, he was overthrowing, underthrowing and missing receivers. Yes, there were a few drops. however, not enough to change how poorly he played.

When the whole team plays like garbage, somebody needs to step up and make some plays. The QB is the first option, since has the ball on every play. But no, he can't even make a handoff without hurting our best player.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 05:19 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Actually I was expecting TJoke to implode, just not hoping for it. I was happy with his play early on, but when he started sucking it up, I wasn't surprised.
And you can trace that "Sucking" to the point right after the knee to knee injury.

When he could get out and move around he looked good, however, when he was a statue and stuck in the pocket, well, he looked like the Noodle only with another number on.

Or, you can trace it to his first bad throw, then he got rattled as he usually does when the pressure's on, then he collapsed.

You realize, when he was "effective" we got ONE first down, punted. Then on an interception, we moved the ball about 20 yards and kicked a field goal. Yep, that's might effective QB play.
Rattled. LOL.

So was it TJ or was it the penalties and poor running that caused us to only get that one first down?

Look, I get that you don't like him. I get that you won't blame anyone else. Thats ok, but it isn't gonna stop me from raising the BS flag my friend. It didn't stop you when I hacked on the Noodle. ;)

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 05:26 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Actually I was expecting TJoke to implode, just not hoping for it. I was happy with his play early on, but when he started sucking it up, I wasn't surprised.
And you can trace that "Sucking" to the point right after the knee to knee injury.

When he could get out and move around he looked good, however, when he was a statue and stuck in the pocket, well, he looked like the Noodle only with another number on.

Or, you can trace it to his first bad throw, then he got rattled as he usually does when the pressure's on, then he collapsed.

You realize, when he was "effective" we got ONE first down, punted. Then on an interception, we moved the ball about 20 yards and kicked a field goal. Yep, that's might effective QB play.
Rattled. LOL.
Yess, rattled. Look at him throughout the game. head down, clearly frustrated, and his game deteriorated as the game went on. This is nothing new, its how TJ works. When there's pressure on him to perform, he crumbles. if he starts out playing well, he'll continue playing well. If he throws a pick or a few bad throws in a row, it's all downhill from there. I bet you, since we're out of the playoffs now, he has a great game next week.


So was it TJ or was it the penalties and poor running that caused us to only get that one first down?
both. Our Run game was awful, I will never deny that. our blocking was brutal in all aspects of the game. TJ played his best ball in the first half of the first quarter. He made some nice throws, I'll give him that. If that was were it ended, fine. Not everyone can score every drive. But it wasn't. He made some bad throws, he made some bad reads, then he got blitzed mercilessly because the GIants know he can't find his hot read under pressure.


Look, I get that you don't like him. I get that you won't blame anyone else.
It's not that I don't like him. I want to like him, I want him to succeed. I'd love to have a great, dual-threat QB. However, he's shown, after 4 years it isn't going to happen. If we keep him as a backup, fine. He's shown he can play a few snaps or a quarter in a game at a decent level. Starter? Forget about it. He can't handle hte pressure of starting, he can't handle must-win situations.



Thats ok, but it isn't gonna stop me from raising the BS flag my friend. It didn't stop you when I hacked on the Noodle. ;)

As long as you admit alot of it was BS, we're headed in the right direction :P

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 05:26 PM
You've been making excuses all day. You blame the OL, you blame the WR's, you claim that we shouldn't judge him based on ONE game because he was hurt and couldn't run. Those all came out of your mouth.(well, not really mouth, but ya know)

I didn't say we shouldn't judge him based on one game cause he was hurt. I said I'm not gonna judge him on one game.

Again, were are you getting this stuff.



I agree. It's also inexcusable to see a QB shorthop balls to open receivers time and time again, most of the time without any pressure.
Give me the time and time again were he shorthopped balls with no pressure.



My apologies for interpreting what you say as what you mean.
Just like above, you don't interpret what I say, you take what I say on one subject, take a little from another subject etc etc etc and morph it into what you think you want me to say.


I've already called out everyone who underperformed, which was mostly the entire teams. Now, my focus is on ridiculous claims that TJ wasn't that bad. That we shouldn't judge his performance on only ONE game.
Who said that? You can judge all you want. No skin off my ass.

On a side note, your interpreting skills are lacking today my friend. Better readjust. :laugh:

Infidel
12-14-2010, 05:29 PM
Marrdro said:



What I've said repeatedly is that Favre's inability to get out of the pocket/move around a bit was the problem.

Yes, I know. You also said that TJ's great mobility would solve that problem.

Clearly, you were totally wrong.

And Marrdro said:


Go back, watch the game. Early on TJ was our only offense. When he and AD smacked knees, he couldn't do that as well anymore.

So you're pinning your hopes for saving face on the fact that TJ was clumsy enough to collide with his own star running back and injure himself AND his best offensive weapon in one stupid move?

Couldn't you think of anything better than that?

Marrdro, you'd do better to just admit that you've been wrong all season with your anti-Favre pro-TJ rants.

It Tom Brady had been the QB this year he would have been unable to win more than a few games with a team as inconsistent and unreliable as ours.

Man up, Marrdro. The TEAM was the problem--starting with the O-Line.

This game proved that it wasn't the QB--it was the TEAM!!!

So just admit you were wrong and move on.

Making silly excuses like TJ crashed into his own teammate and hurt his knee is silly, especially when you tried to disregard all Favre's injuries.

After all, Favre's injuries were at least caused by the opposing team.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 05:39 PM
Marrdro said:



What I've said repeatedly is that Favre's inability to get out of the pocket/move around a bit was the problem.

Yes, I know. You also said that TJ's great mobility would solve that problem.

Clearly, you were totally wrong.

And when he moved around he looked good. When he was in the pocket he didn't.



And Marrdro said:


Go back, watch the game. Early on TJ was our only offense. When he and AD smacked knees, he couldn't do that as well anymore.

So you're pinning your hopes for saving face on the fact that TJ was clumsy enough to collide with his own star running back and injure himself AND his best offensive weapon in one stupid move?

Couldn't you think of anything better than that?
Saving face? How in the hell can you lose face on a internet site?

Quick question oh font of wisdom, when the clock is ticking backwards, who's responsible for taking his line to the ball and his running lanes? The QB who's first 2,3 or 4 steps start with his back to the RB?

Comeon, are you trying to say that its all TJ's fault that they hit knees? I didn't see you blaming the Noodle when he did it.


Marrdro, you'd do better to just admit that you've been wrong all season with your anti-Favre pro-TJ rants.

It Tom Brady had been the QB this year he would have been unable to win more than a few games with a team as inconsistent and unreliable as ours.

Man up, Marrdro. The TEAM was the problem--starting with the O-Line.
Man up? Is that like saving face? LOL.


This game proved that it wasn't the QB--it was the TEAM!!!
I will agree with you, almost. The QB is part of the team so he deserves his share of my riducule.


So just admit you were wrong and move on.

Making silly excuses like TJ crashed into his own teammate and hurt his knee is silly, especially when you tried to disregard all Favre's injuries.

After all, Favre's injuries were at least caused by the opposing team.

Wrong, right, man up, save face. You almost sound like we are having a fight or something.

And I'm not making excuses. He looked good up until that point. My guess, you didn't even watch the game and are just reciting what you heard on ESPN again.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 05:41 PM
You've been making excuses all day. You blame the OL, you blame the WR's, you claim that we shouldn't judge him based on ONE game because he was hurt and couldn't run. Those all came out of your mouth.(well, not really mouth, but ya know)

I didn't say we shouldn't judge him based on one game cause he was hurt. I said I'm not gonna judge him on one game.

Again, were are you getting this stuff.

Ok, lets include the rest of his games he's played.

Here, I'll do it for you. Only include games he played the bulk of, not mop-up duty.

vs giants: 15/30, 118, 0td 1int 4 sack 46.2rate 22 rush yards
vs. bills: 15/22, 187, 2td 3int 1 sack 85 rate 8 rush yards
2008:
vs. eagles: 15/35, 164, 0td 1int 1 sack 45.4rate 17 rush yards 1 fumble
vs. giants: 16/26, 239, 1td 1int 2 sack 88 rate -4 rush yards
vs. Falcons: 22/36, 233, 2td 0int 3 sack 98.5rate 82 rush, 2 fumble
vs. Cards: 11/17, 163, 4td 0int 3 sack 135.5rate 3 rush
vs. indy: 14/24, 130, 0td 0int 2 sack 73 rate, 0 rush 1 fumble
vs. GB: 16/35, 178, 1td 1int 1 sack, 59 rate, 65 yards

As you can see, the Cards game was clearly his best. Next best? I'd say Falcons. Then just downhill from there. He has never played well when the pressure is on, You would think after a year onthe bench, he might learn a thing or two, but he's actually playing WORSE now. However, now that the pressure is off him, I'm sure he'll play fine, bump up those stats and everyone will love him again... well at least a handful of people anyway.




I agree. It's also inexcusable to see a QB shorthop balls to open receivers time and time again, most of the time without any pressure.
Give me the time and time again were he shorthopped balls with no pressure.

I'm not re-watching the game. It's there. Look for yourself. Mainly short balls. Balls to Berrian and Shank I believe, then you see them thinking "oh god, get better soon Brett, this guy sucks"




My apologies for interpreting what you say as what you mean.
Just like above, you don't interpret what I say, you take what I say on one subject, take a little from another subject etc etc etc and morph it into what you think you want me to say.

So then just for the record, how many games do you need to see crappy performances by TJ from to finally write him off?

You claim you're not going to crucify the guy just because of this one game. How many does it take. He has a whole career of bad to mediocre performances

Infidel
12-14-2010, 05:48 PM
Marrdro said:


Wrong, right, man up, save face. You almost sound like we are having a fight or something.

We HAVE HAD a debate about Favre. You lost.


Marrdro said:

And I'm not making excuses.

LOL! Yes, you are. The lamest I've ever heard, even from you.

Marrdro said:

My guess, you didn't even watch the game and are just reciting what you heard on ESPN again.

LOL Again!

Your bizarre excuses for TJ indicate you must have gotten onto the Sci Fi channel by mistake!

:laugh:

NodakPaul
12-14-2010, 05:50 PM
You claim you're not going to crucify the guy just because of this one game. How many does it take. He has a whole career of bad to mediocre performances

clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap

Perfect summary right there. Really, why does anything else even need to be said?

NeoVikesTX
12-14-2010, 05:57 PM
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/111829514.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr


The Vikings' 164-yard output on offense was their lowest since a 9-7 loss at Green Bay on Dec. 21, 2006, when they had only 104 yards.

Ouch! And funny thing TJack was also our starting QB for that game. Coincidence? I think not.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 06:17 PM
Marrdro said:


Wrong, right, man up, save face. You almost sound like we are having a fight or something.

We HAVE HAD a debate about Favre. You lost.


Marrdro said:

And I'm not making excuses.

LOL! Yes, you are. The lamest I've ever heard, even from you.


LOL, you argue and debate. I discuss.\


Marrdro said:

My guess, you didn't even watch the game and are just reciting what you heard on ESPN again.

LOL Again!

Your bizarre excuses for TJ indicate you must have gotten onto the Sci Fi channel by mistake!

:laugh:
Just as I thought. You didn't even see the game.

V4L
12-14-2010, 06:19 PM
I only saw the first half.. But it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did

All I saw was inconsistant play from everyone

WRs were open one play.. Everyone was covered up perfectly the next 2

Jackson would make a nice play scrambling out or avoiding the blitz and deliver a bullet.. And then sail a ball 10 yards out of bounds next

Line would handle the blitz.. Then next 2 plays get Jackson 2 seconds

Adrian didn't look good.. Not explosive at all.. His hammy (im not positive if thats what he hurt 2 weeks ago?) must have stiffened up or something.. Along with that knee

D got gashed too much.. Otherwise seemed to play decently from what i've heard

Everytime something positive would happen we would get a false start or holding call.. From what I read Booker had one called back.. Just fitting

The playcalling was horrid.. Kept Jackson in the pocket all game.. Bevell you saw with our horrid line rolling out DOES help.. Throw a screen or 2 also maybe?

It is clear we miss Percy and everyone hurt.. Degeare got owned.. And WRs weren't open.. And Jackson sucked

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 06:27 PM
I only saw the first half.. But it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did

All I saw was inconsistant play from everyone

WRs were open one play.. Everyone was covered up perfectly the next 2

Jackson would make a nice play scrambling out or avoiding the blitz and deliver a bullet.. And then sail a ball 10 yards out of bounds next

Line would handle the blitz.. Then next 2 plays get Jackson 2 seconds

Adrian didn't look good.. Not explosive at all.. His hammy (im not positive if thats what he hurt 2 weeks ago?) must have stiffened up or something.. Along with that knee

D got gashed too much.. Otherwise seemed to play decently from what i've heard

Everytime something positive would happen we would get a false start or holding call.. From what I read Booker had one called back.. Just fitting

The playcalling was horrid.. Kept Jackson in the pocket all game.. Bevell you saw with our horrid line rolling out DOES help.. Throw a screen or 2 also maybe?

It is clear we miss Percy and everyone hurt.. Degeare got owned.. And WRs weren't open.. And Jackson sucked
Good post.

Not sticking up for Bevs or anything, however, TJ overthrew Toby on one screen, and I saw 3 plays that were screens that got blew up at the line. Possibly two, but one for sure with Webb in there.

What I didn't like was all the quick throws to the outside. The Giants are fast side to side, you just don't do that. Get them with a few 2, 4 or 6 routes, which we saw a few of at first.

purplehelmut
12-14-2010, 06:36 PM
Well, the people who got free tix certainly got their money's worth. Additionally, my DirecTv Sunday Ticket actually blanked out several minutes of the game (anybody else?) and I really didn't care. MNF was a good game. Like I've said before- time to rebuild- starting NOW!

Zeus
12-14-2010, 06:56 PM
I only saw the first half..

That better be because you were getting laid.

=Z=

V4L
12-14-2010, 06:58 PM
I only saw the first half..

That better be because you were getting laid.

=Z=

Had to host the x-mas party for work :(

That's the most Vikes football i've missed in over 5 years.. Sucks

Mark_The_Viking
12-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Just watched the game and hopefully now all those who thought Jackson could be our starting QB can leave it alone now.

Saying that who wasn't awful?

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 07:35 PM
Just watched the game and hopefully now all those who thought Jackson could be our starting QB can leave it alone now.

Saying that who wasn't awful?

There are still some who believe TJ deserves another chance... Again.

ndnorseman
12-14-2010, 07:40 PM
The Defense as a whole gets a passing grade, IMO, for staying tough despite getting no rest due to all the 3-and-outs, and not allowing the Giants to put up 60+ points on us. Karl Dunbar is doing a fairly adequate job as the new DC...let's see if he can keep our Defense from getting man-handled throughout the remaining 3 games, though. He needs to show more before I'd be ready to promote him full-time. May be a moot point anyway after this season...could be looking at an entire coaching staff overhaul.

*stuff deleted*

Best we can hope for now, is to play the role of spoiler, and to get Webb some pressure-free game experience under his belt so he can at least put up a competitive effort for the back-up spot next year.

Pretty good post my friend.

Just one comment and a question though.

Look at the box score. We gave up alot of yards on the ground long before 3 and outs should have winded this defense.

We've sucked against the run all year. Problem is, we haven't faced a team that can run the ball the past few weeks so our stats were a bit skewed by that.

What will it prove to get Webb some "Pressure Free" experience? I wanna see what he does under pressure, not out of it.

Well, Marr...that's why I gave the Defense AS A WHOLE a passing grade. There were moments where pass coverage, pass pressure, run coverage, etc. sucked as individual units...but again, considering they kept the Giants to 21 points (despite being on the field WAY more than any NFL Defense should), and forced some turnovers, I'd say they did an adequate job. Just adequate.

As for Webb, I thought we were agreed that "throwing a rookie to the wolves" is a BAD thing. We're talking two different types of "pressure". Putting him in now relieves the pressure from HAVING to win games, but also gets him valuable "real-game" experience with pressure from starting Defenses...rather than just seeing what he does against pre-season scrubs who may not even be making their respective teams.

ndnorseman
12-14-2010, 08:11 PM
[quote]The Defense as a whole gets a passing grade, IMO, for staying tough despite getting no rest due to all the 3-and-outs, and not allowing the Giants to put up 60+ points on us. Karl Dunbar is doing a fairly adequate job as the new DC...let's see if he can keep our Defense from getting man-handled throughout the remaining 3 games, though. He needs to show more before I'd be ready to promote him full-time. May be a moot point anyway after this season...could be looking at an entire coaching staff overhaul.

I disagree. Karl Dunbar has not done a great job as either defensive line coach or coordinator. Watch this game again, and compare and contrast when the Giants do up front to what the Vikings do. The Vikings are as vanilla as ice cream.



and while we're on the subject of missing people...get better SOON, Percy!!!
The issue coaches, fans, and football commentators must understand is that what Harvin has is chronic. It cannot be cured, and there are limits to what can be done to medicate and control it. In a way, saying, "Get better soon," is like telling someone with cerebral palsy to get out of the wheelchair soon. I understand your sentiments, but I hope you understand the situation with Harvin.

I certainly hope the coaches do not view Harvin as a slacker because he gets chronic migraines. Much of it is not in Harvin's control. Cluster migraines are debilitating in a way that most people do not understand because there are no external symptoms. People do not understand because they have no idea what they feel like, and they believe that migraines are just bad headaches like everyone gets. Cluster migraines when compared to headaches are more like kidney stones when compared to a sore back. Cluster migraines are called "suicide headaches" in the medical community for good reasons.


Again...considering they kept the Giants to 21 points, instead of 50-60, and keeping them out of FG range for a large part of the game (despite not getting much rest between series)...I'd say Dunbar isn't doing too bad of a job. The guy just got thrust into his promotion 2-3 weeks ago. Think he's had time to create his own schemes? He's just going with what Frazier already had established. I'm willing to at least give him the rest of the season to show improvement...but yeah, if we keep getting gashed through the air AND on the ground, and we keep losing by double-digit margins, then he needs to go with the rest of this ineffective staff.

Regarding Percy...I'm WELL aware of just how bad migraines are. Too many people get a "bad headache" and just throw the word MIGRAINE on it when they have no idea of the Hell that migraines bring. The thing is, though...UNLIKE your analogy of cerebral palsy, migraines come and migraines go. When they come, they ARE absolutely debilitating, yes...but they do also go away...for awhile. Then they come back. Then they're gone. Then they come back. All I'm doing is wishing for them to go, so Percy can come back and contribute as much as possible before the next cluster hits him.

In all actuality, though, I worry for him even when he's playing...not sure what effect a big, concussion-causing hit would have on his migraines, but I would imagine it's more dangerous for him than for someone without his condition.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 08:21 PM
The Defense as a whole gets a passing grade, IMO, for staying tough despite getting no rest due to all the 3-and-outs, and not allowing the Giants to put up 60+ points on us. Karl Dunbar is doing a fairly adequate job as the new DC...let's see if he can keep our Defense from getting man-handled throughout the remaining 3 games, though. He needs to show more before I'd be ready to promote him full-time. May be a moot point anyway after this season...could be looking at an entire coaching staff overhaul.

*stuff deleted*

Best we can hope for now, is to play the role of spoiler, and to get Webb some pressure-free game experience under his belt so he can at least put up a competitive effort for the back-up spot next year.

Pretty good post my friend.

Just one comment and a question though.

Look at the box score. We gave up alot of yards on the ground long before 3 and outs should have winded this defense.

We've sucked against the run all year. Problem is, we haven't faced a team that can run the ball the past few weeks so our stats were a bit skewed by that.

What will it prove to get Webb some "Pressure Free" experience? I wanna see what he does under pressure, not out of it.

Well, Marr...that's why I gave the Defense AS A WHOLE a passing grade. There were moments where pass coverage, pass pressure, run coverage, etc. sucked as individual units...but again, considering they kept the Giants to 21 points (despite being on the field WAY more than any NFL Defense should), and forced some turnovers, I'd say they did an adequate job. Just adequate.


Thanks for the extra stuff. I guess I can give them a overall passing grade as well, however, I still say we suck on the front and alot of the successes we have been having in that area are because the LB'rs are helping out and when we do that, for the most part, our DB's then start to look silly.


As for Webb, I thought we were agreed that "throwing a rookie to the wolves" is a BAD thing. We're talking two different types of "pressure". Putting him in now relieves the pressure from HAVING to win games, but also gets him valuable "real-game" experience with pressure from starting Defenses...rather than just seeing what he does against pre-season scrubs who may not even be making their respective teams.
When was the last time I told you that you were wise beyond your years? Nothing to dispute or discuss with that part.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 08:22 PM
Just watched the game and hopefully now all those who thought Jackson could be our starting QB can leave it alone now.

Saying that who wasn't awful?

There are still some who believe TJ deserves another chance... Again.
Change my name to "Some".

Caine
12-14-2010, 08:25 PM
Last week, versus the 2-9 Bills, he was bailed out and the supporters tried to sell it as a Jackson Victory.

Caine

Last week I posted the videos & still pics that proved you wrong on the two TD passes & you ignored them.

All I saw was the interview with Rice - and even if you were right (Which I'm not so sure of), that only excuses the TD and the sideline throw...

...I'm talking about his 3 picks last week. Defense bailed him out on two of them...like New York's Defense bailed out She-lie.

Caine

Caine
12-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Overall I saw a horrible game last night. The only upside was Kluwe's punting. Both sides of the ball played like crap.

What the Jackson fans (Marrdro) fail to realize is that those of us who have piled on Jackson are only doing so after WEEKS of listening to you make excuses for why Favre is horrible and Jackson will be sop much better.

Now he's had his chance two weeks in a row, and looked like shiite.

And instead of saying, "Yup, you were right, Jackson does suck too", you start back in with the litany of excuses ("The line didn't block" or my favorite of all, "He was good until he ran into Peterson" which is complete hogwash).

Yes, the O line sucked...but we weren't allowed to offer that excuse when Favre was playing.

Yes, the receivers sucked...but we couldn't mention that when Favre was playing.

Yes, Peterson did nothing....but that wasn't a valid point when Favre was playing.

For Jackson, however, they're excuses...

Fact is, Jackson sucked. He sucked all game long. His poise slipped a bit, and I started seeing the frightened kid who Chiller brought in 5 years ago...the same one I see after about 3 games of Jackson playing in a row...he just showed up early this time.

Am I glad Jackson sucked? HELL NO!!!! I'd LOVE to be wrong. I'd LOVE to buy the beer. But I'm not, and I won't.

The difference is, I admitted when my guy sucked...you still haven't. You're still making excuses.

Caine

Infidel
12-14-2010, 08:40 PM
Marrdro's excuses suck as bad as the O-Line sucks.

I thought he would have some far more creative excuses.

I'm greatly disappointed.

:D

BloodyHorns82
12-14-2010, 08:48 PM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 08:51 PM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

jargomcfargo
12-14-2010, 08:54 PM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

Link? :lol:

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 08:59 PM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

Link? :lol:
Quit.......B)

Infidel
12-14-2010, 09:02 PM
I guess Marrdro hasn't figured out yet that he was wrong about Favre playing against the Giants.

He also hasn't figured out that he was wrong about Frazier giving Favre a token start.

He also hasn't figured out that his stories about TJ inspiring the team were wrong.

He also hasn't figured out that his stories about TJ's "mobility" solving our problems were wrong.

I could go on, but.....why?

Marrdro's wrong and he won't admit it.

Oh......same old thing.

:D

Mark_The_Viking
12-14-2010, 09:46 PM
Just watched the game and hopefully now all those who thought Jackson could be our starting QB can leave it alone now.

Saying that who wasn't awful?

There are still some who believe TJ deserves another chance... Again.
Change my name to "Some".

Marr!!

C'mon mate you HAVE to admit that Tjack is not the future at any level as far as Qbing is concerned, he took the majority of snaps had an extra day and he still can't make it happen.

He's a bust pure and simple although to be a bust you have to have some kind of promise to start with. We will suffer the idiocy that was Childress for at least the next 3 years assuming there is A) Football and B)There is a team in Minnesota.

We have no QB and we can only hope that the draft throws us a bone this year because free agency offers very little.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:08 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

Enter Mr. Double Standards! Oh so now drop passes, OL line, and run game mean something. Funny how it did not for Favre.

I take it you did not watch the game. TJ DID run into Peterson and he did miss a snap. I think you need your eyes checked.

TJ sucks.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 10:09 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

Enter Mr. Double Standards! Oh so now drop passes, OL line, and run game mean something. Funny how it did not for Favre.

I take it you did not watch the game. TJ DID run into Peterson and he did miss a snap. I think you need your eyes checked.

TJ sucks.

and now the real fun begins!

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:10 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Actually Favre has never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating.

Miami game: 44.3 QB rating

Bears game: 44.5 QB rating

GB game: 50.4 QB rating

GB game: 51.2 QB rating

Apparently you can't comprehend what I said. 118 yards AND under 50 QB rating!

TJ sucks.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:12 PM
While a shitload of posts are trying to solely blaming TJ for the loss, AD could only manage 26 yards on 14 attempts. One carry was for 7 yards, meaning AD had 19 yards on 13 carries.


Excuses, excuses.

Favre has carried this team without Peterson. TJ can't!

tastywaves
12-14-2010, 10:13 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

Enter Mr. Double Standards! Oh so now drop passes, OL line, and run game mean something. Funny how it did not for Favre.

I take it you did not watch the game. TJ DID run into Peterson and he did miss a snap. I think you need your eyes checked.

TJ sucks.

and now the real fun begins!

Yes, another great discussion on who was our shittiest QB this year.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:13 PM
so seeing as Jack got hurt running into peterson can we add another notch to the Purple Jesus lore for exorcising TJack from our offense?

I think you mean AD ran into TJ don't you?

Or do you think the QB should line up behind the guard so that when he turns to hand the ball off to the RB there isn't a collision?

Wrong. All the analysts have said it was TJ. I agree.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:16 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Sure he looked bad. Can you imagine how bad the Noodle would have looked?

Atleast TJ got out of the way of things and looked good before the knee to knee with AD.


ahahahahahahahahahahaha

So now you are making excuses because of an injury? Favre has been injured all year. Nice try!

Favre would have played better if not for his arm being numb and basically not working.

TJ sucks.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:17 PM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
I would like to know how many times he came out of the game. :laugh:

That was funny to see. Especially the last one. I bet the TJ lovers were just embarrassed. I know I was embarrassed for them.
I bet some of us TJ backers were embarraressed for the whole fricken team. Well, maybe not the DB's or the ST's. Atleast they came to play.

Ah so now it is a team game when Favre is not in. Child please!

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 10:18 PM
According to KFAN, Fraizer is not placing Favre on IR, and hopes he will play next week.

I think that's all that needs to be said here, that's how little faith he has in TJ, he'd rather stick an old, banged up, broken armed QB out there than TJ.

Also, Chris Cook has been placed on IR now.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:20 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

Sucks when your whole theory is crumbling doesn't it?

2 games BTW! Oh and many others!

TJ sucks.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:24 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.


What's your point? Favre had that too!

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:26 PM
Figure out how to beat the Bares somehow, will ya?


No thanks. I am going to enjoy this collapse.
How can anyone enjoy watching thier team lose? Maybe your here just for the Noodle.

What do you call the stuff that happened up until now? Rising above it?

I gotta clue for ya my friend, we collapesed when we started the year with the Noodle and its been down hill ever since.

I'll give ya one thing though, if we go ahead and opt to keep Frazier after a showing like that last night, I guess it can get worse though.

Apparently some of the older members have a problem with comprehension. I was talking to a Packer fan. I am going to enjoy THEIR collapse.

Favre has taken your soul and your ability to understand.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 10:26 PM
One thing to note, in games where Favre starts and Fraizer coaches: 2-0
In games where TJ starts and Fraizer coaches: 0-1

can't argue with the results.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:27 PM
I can honestly say that I hope we lose the rest of the games this season. It gives us no benefit to win any of them.

On a side note. The vikings net yards tonight was 164. Pathetic. You know the last time we had fewer than that??? Week 1, 2006 against the Pukers. Retardius's first start. We had 104 net yards that game and the next day Childo told Kevin Seifert that his offense was the KAO. The rest is history
Other than that would make them quiters.

Again, sad to see fans wanting to watch thier team loose. In all the anti-Noodle stuff you heard from me over the last 2 years, never once did I want them to loose so I could hack on the Noodle my friend.

Bullshit!

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:29 PM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:
Another poster with a clue.

Funny how all the cliche's about how the team is inspired under Frazier or playing for pride under Frazier.

Only players I saw show up were the LB'rs, DB's and ST's (again) just like we were seeing under Childress.

Were was Leslies hand in the gameplan? Were was Leslies hand is stopping the run?

What a joke. I'll say it again, the QB looked bad, but so did the whole team. We needed a HC last night and didn't have one.

What a joke indeed. Leslie loses one game against a playoff team and you call for his head. Yet Chilly gets how many years?!

You should be ashamed.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:32 PM
VShiancoe

"I apoligize to the fans that had to witness that type of abomination tonight.. just embarrassing and disgusting"
False starts, piss poor blocking, couldn't even get off the line. He should be apologizing.

The whole fricken offense should be apologizing.

Shamefull. Simply shamefull.

It has been like that all year. Nothing has changed. Funny how you only see it when TJ is starting.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:45 PM
Think how bad our record would be if we hadn't had Favre!

Favre would have lasted less time in there than he did last week.

How soon Infidel forgot Favre lost 7 out of 11 games.
Whats even more amazing out of all that is that they think the Noodle would have faired better last night if he could have got his old ass on the field.

How sad is that?

Prove it!

How sad indeed.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:47 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

I'd say more likely they stuck with him because they needed to ie the backup wasn't worth a light .... in TJ's case we don't have to stick with him after this season. ;)
I'm not ready to give up on TJ yet.

Anyone who watched that game saw a kid on fire and who was almost our only offense until he and AD whacked knees.

You have lost your fucking mind. TJ blows.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:50 PM
Saw some classic TJoke throws tonight.

Thanx, but he threw some terrible throws also.

First series....
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Bernard Berrian to Min38 for 8 yards
Shanc Penalty.
Two piss poor runs by AD.
Shanc Drop

What a shitty job by TJ.

Next series........
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Sidney Rice to NYG25 for 9 yards

2 no gains by AD.
2 yard gain by TJ.
7 Yard by AD (Finally)
Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Lorenzo Booker to NYG10 for 6 yards
AD 2 yards
TJ Rice for 5 yards
TJ Pass Incomplete to Sidney Rice -should have been a TD but it was dropped.

Another shitty job by TJ.

Next Series.....

Tarvaris Jackson Pass to Sidney Rice to NYG49 for 16 yards
AD short gain.
AD and TJ hit knees and it was all downhill from there.

This is so comical! Do you know how many runs for 0 or negative yards Peterson had when Favre was QB! Get a clue. Your excuses are hilarious! Funny how you never mentioned that when Favre was back there. Your blindness is showing so bad right now.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 10:51 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

I'd say more likely they stuck with him because they needed to ie the backup wasn't worth a light .... in TJ's case we don't have to stick with him after this season. ;)
I'm not ready to give up on TJ yet.

Anyone who watched that game saw a kid on fire and who was almost our only offense until he and AD whacked knees.

You have lost your fucking mind. TJ blows.
Get this one, he also believes that the fade thrown to Rice's feet was designed to go that way.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:56 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

So much for the so-called fans who can't read. I support TJ. He just sucks.

Peterson had 19 yards last year vs. Arizona. Favre went 30/45. 275 yards.

CHILD PLEASE!

marstc09
12-14-2010, 10:58 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

The football game was not 10 passes. WHO GIVES A SHIT! That end result is what matters. Good god what a load of shit.

dfosterf
12-14-2010, 11:00 PM
Figure out how to beat the Bares somehow, will ya?


No thanks. I am going to enjoy this collapse.
How can anyone enjoy watching thier team lose? Maybe your here just for the Noodle.

What do you call the stuff that happened up until now? Rising above it?

I gotta clue for ya my friend, we collapesed when we started the year with the Noodle and its been down hill ever since.

I'll give ya one thing though, if we go ahead and opt to keep Frazier after a showing like that last night, I guess it can get worse though.

Apparently some of the older members have a problem with comprehension. I was talking to a Packer fan. I am going to enjoy THEIR collapse.

Favre has taken your soul and your ability to understand.

I'm older, the Packer fan in question, and knew precisely what you were saying.

Seems only fair, you watching my team collapse... I got to watch yours do it. :P

Favre took your soul, too, since you're keepin' track, as regards Marr

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:05 PM
Boy, how silly the fans look that claimed Favre would teach/mentor TJ some things.

Only once did it show him giving his 2 cents worth to the coach/TJ. The rest of the time he was too busy yaking it up with other players to be concerned at all about his team.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is how low you have to go? Seriously?! WOW.

Some guys are just unteachable. Maybe we should dig up the quote from TJ from him saying he would not learn that much from talking to Favre but more from watching!

Pathetic.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:07 PM
Find it rather funny there were still people that thaught TJack was a decent qb. If nothing else at least we can say there will be an end to having to read such stupid posts.
Because of one game?

If anything we saw nothing other than he can get broke like most of us feared early in his career. Until he whacked knees with AD he looked good. Heck he was the only offense we had up until that point.

Talk about hypocrisy. Aren't you all down on Frazier after this game? AFTER ONE GAME???

That is how Marrdro rolls.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:11 PM
We got rid if childress who was the mastermind behind this abomination.
We sure didn't see much out of Frazier last night. Well, other than he got the guys together on the sideline. WOW, like that was gonna help.

Only way to fix this is to get rid of the whole staff, starting with the DL coach. 2 100 yard rushers.

I can't believe everyone is giving them a pass and saying it was because of all the 3 and outs. I think those cats need to look at the box score and see how many 3 and outs actually happened before that 73 yarder came out of Jacobs.


Now we are well on the way to being rid of jackson and revamping that pathetic OL that has been hampering the team for years and then we can look to retooling and improving.
The OL was definately overmatched last night. But thier biggest issue last night wasn't blocking, it was fricken penalties and bad snaps (TJ should've handled one of them though).

Only one that didn't get a penalty was Cook.

Cook had a false start

Ryan Cook actually had 2 penalties. Holding and false start. I often wondered if Marrdro ever even watched the games. I think this proves he does not.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:15 PM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

I couldn't see the game here last night. Tried to follow the action on the live chat. All I could follow was constant bitching about TJ. Judging by what I was reading I thought he was like 2 for 20 with 5 picks at half time. I couldn't really get any game action there so I went to NFL.com and saw he was around 12 for 17 with 1 pick at the time. I realize stats do not tell the story a lot of the time, but the hatred for TJ was unbelievable.

Actually at one point he was I believe 9 for 10 with a bobbled incompletion by Rice for what would have been a TD.

The thing about fans who hate Jackson, even at 9 for 10, they'll bitch, moan & whine about the one pass that was incomplete.

They wait for that first mistake & then pounce.

Actually I was expecting TJoke to implode, just not hoping for it. I was happy with his play early on, but when he started sucking it up, I wasn't surprised.
And you can trace that "Sucking" to the point right after the knee to knee injury.

When he could get out and move around he looked good, however, when he was a statue and stuck in the pocket, well, he looked like the Noodle only with another number on.

LOL at YOU using injuries as an excuse. This is getting good.

jmcdon00
12-14-2010, 11:16 PM
We lost to another good team, nothing new. This season the Vikings have not lost to a team with a losing record, or beat a team with a winning record.

Plenty of blame to go around, it is what it is.

jargomcfargo
12-14-2010, 11:28 PM
We lost to another good team, nothing new. This season the Vikings have not lost to a team with a losing record, or beat a team with a winning record.

Plenty of blame to go around, it is what it is.

Exactly! Team sport.
Forget the bad, focus on the good, and look toward a new tomarrow.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:29 PM
Not much to say here. I've seen High School Teams play better than we did last night. Just pathetic...

It was okay with me to see Favre AKA Noodle on the sidelines, he belonged there weeks ago, being so banged up.

But as I've said from day one, TJ will never be a starting grade QB in this league. Fact is, I came up with my own nick name for him last night.

Like Mars refures to Favre as Noodle

TJ will forever on be known to me as T " Chicken Wing " Jackson hahahahahha

Chicken Wing! I love it!

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:33 PM
Marrdro said:


Wrong, right, man up, save face. You almost sound like we are having a fight or something.

We HAVE HAD a debate about Favre. You lost.


Marrdro said:

And I'm not making excuses.

LOL! Yes, you are. The lamest I've ever heard, even from you.

Marrdro said:

My guess, you didn't even watch the game and are just reciting what you heard on ESPN again.

LOL Again!

Your bizarre excuses for TJ indicate you must have gotten onto the Sci Fi channel by mistake!

:laugh:

Funny thing is Marrdro did not even know Ryan Cook had 2 penalties! Yet he thinks others are not watching the game. lol

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:35 PM
Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.

What were his bad plays last night? One botched snap, one INT, a overthrow on a RB wideopen in a screen, holds the ball to loose when he was sacked.

For the INT I saw atleast 5 times he got rid of it when there was nothing. For the missed RB I saw some damn nice throws to guys when we needed it.

Not gonna make excuses or explain away the loose ball. It drives me nuts.

Oh now there is nothing? Now the WRs are not open? Good god! You have nothing but excuses.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:36 PM
Problem here is you guys refuse to look at anyone but TJ for that ass whippin. No team takes an ass whippin like that just because of the QB. Even in his worst day you never saw me blame the Noodle solely. Never.

Bullshit!

kjdaddy
12-14-2010, 11:37 PM
We got rid if childress who was the mastermind behind this abomination.
We sure didn't see much out of Frazier last night. Well, other than he got the guys together on the sideline. WOW, like that was gonna help.

Only way to fix this is to get rid of the whole staff, starting with the DL coach. 2 100 yard rushers.

I can't believe everyone is giving them a pass and saying it was because of all the 3 and outs. I think those cats need to look at the box score and see how many 3 and outs actually happened before that 73 yarder came out of Jacobs.


Now we are well on the way to being rid of jackson and revamping that pathetic OL that has been hampering the team for years and then we can look to retooling and improving.
The OL was definately overmatched last night. But thier biggest issue last night wasn't blocking, it was fricken penalties and bad snaps (TJ should've handled one of them though).

Only one that didn't get a penalty was Cook.

Cook had a false start

Ryan Cook actually had 2 penalties. Holding and false start. I often wondered if Marrdro ever even watched the games. I think this proves he does not.

I wish I didn't watch it last night. What a waste of time. It was painful and all I wanted to do was punch somebody. Where's my prilosec?!?

Fire Frazier. Get Cowher. Draft Luck.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:40 PM
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/111829514.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr


The Vikings' 164-yard output on offense was their lowest since a 9-7 loss at Green Bay on Dec. 21, 2006, when they had only 104 yards.

Ouch! And funny thing TJack was also our starting QB for that game. Coincidence? I think not.

Here that Singer and Marrdro! LMFAO!

http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/owned.jpg

jmcdon00
12-14-2010, 11:40 PM
Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.

What were his bad plays last night? One botched snap, one INT, a overthrow on a RB wideopen in a screen, holds the ball to loose when he was sacked.

For the INT I saw atleast 5 times he got rid of it when there was nothing. For the missed RB I saw some damn nice throws to guys when we needed it.

Not gonna make excuses or explain away the loose ball. It drives me nuts.

Oh now there is nothing? Now the WRs are not open? Good god! You have nothing but excuses.
Funny how things are reversed. Before it was the Favre faithful making excuses and Tjack supporters ripping them for it.
Now it is Tjack supporters making excuses and Favre faithful ripping them for it.
Circle of life when your team sucks I guess. I think I'll stay out of it, hopefully Tjack can bounce back against the Bears.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:41 PM
Just as I thought. You didn't even see the game.

Did you?

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:44 PM
Overall I saw a horrible game last night. The only upside was Kluwe's punting. Both sides of the ball played like crap.

What the Jackson fans (Marrdro) fail to realize is that those of us who have piled on Jackson are only doing so after WEEKS of listening to you make excuses for why Favre is horrible and Jackson will be sop much better.

Now he's had his chance two weeks in a row, and looked like shiite.

And instead of saying, "Yup, you were right, Jackson does suck too", you start back in with the litany of excuses ("The line didn't block" or my favorite of all, "He was good until he ran into Peterson" which is complete hogwash).

Yes, the O line sucked...but we weren't allowed to offer that excuse when Favre was playing.

Yes, the receivers sucked...but we couldn't mention that when Favre was playing.

Yes, Peterson did nothing....but that wasn't a valid point when Favre was playing.

For Jackson, however, they're excuses...

Fact is, Jackson sucked. He sucked all game long. His poise slipped a bit, and I started seeing the frightened kid who Chiller brought in 5 years ago...the same one I see after about 3 games of Jackson playing in a row...he just showed up early this time.

Am I glad Jackson sucked? HELL NO!!!! I'd LOVE to be wrong. I'd LOVE to buy the beer. But I'm not, and I won't.

The difference is, I admitted when my guy sucked...you still haven't. You're still making excuses.

Caine

Someone with a clue! +1

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:47 PM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:51 PM
Well, now we know why Chilly and sent the guys to Mississippi in August to beg Favre to come back.

The people on here that can't see through their irrational, blind hatred of Favre because he played for Green Bay got what they wanted tonight. Favre didn't play, the streak ended and they got a good look at TJack. Its time for everyone to stop bringing up the fact that he played great in 1 game 2 seasons ago. He's had every opportunity in 5 years to become a starting QB (or even a decent backup) and has failed.

The Favre conspiracies have run out of steam. Its pretty clear that Favre wasn't holding the coaching staff hostage to his streak and it wasn't a directive from the Wilfs to keep him starting. The coaching staff sees TJack every day and thought that a 41 year old QB having his worst year as a pro, with a broken ankle and foot, elbow & shoulder tendonitis, stitches in his chin, a sinus infection and a serious shoulder injury still provided the team with the best chance to win. They were right. What does that say about TJack? Pretty obvious - he sucks!
Do you really think the Noodle would have faired any better last night?

We got out coached, outplayed and just flat embarrassed by a team not only better than us, but better coached and better prepared.

If your gonna say TJ sucks after that game, what do you say about AD? How about our DL that gave up 100 yards to two RB's after the DB's shut down the passing game?

Go ahead, pile on TJ he played just as bad as the rest of them, but seriously, it still clear to me that we stuck with the Noodle through all those losses cause the Wilfs wanted to.;)

I'd say more likely they stuck with him because they needed to ie the backup wasn't worth a light .... in TJ's case we don't have to stick with him after this season. ;)
I'm not ready to give up on TJ yet.

Anyone who watched that game saw a kid on fire and who was almost our only offense until he and AD whacked knees.

You have lost your fucking mind. TJ blows.
Get this one, he also believes that the fade thrown to Rice's feet was designed to go that way.

Is that a surprise? lol

marstc09
12-14-2010, 11:55 PM
Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.

What were his bad plays last night? One botched snap, one INT, a overthrow on a RB wideopen in a screen, holds the ball to loose when he was sacked.

For the INT I saw atleast 5 times he got rid of it when there was nothing. For the missed RB I saw some damn nice throws to guys when we needed it.

Not gonna make excuses or explain away the loose ball. It drives me nuts.

Oh now there is nothing? Now the WRs are not open? Good god! You have nothing but excuses.
Funny how things are reversed. Before it was the Favre faithful making excuses and Tjack supporters ripping them for it.
Now it is Tjack supporters making excuses and Favre faithful ripping them for it.
Circle of life when your team sucks I guess. I think I'll stay out of it, hopefully Tjack can bounce back against the Bears.

Actually they are not reversed. I have seen the WRs not getting open all year INCLUDING the Giants game. See the difference?

marshallvike
12-15-2010, 12:04 AM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

wrong

marstc09
12-15-2010, 12:07 AM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

wrong

Your right I was wrong. We do have another clueless fan.

jmcdon00
12-15-2010, 12:24 AM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

wrong

Your right I was wrong. We do have another clueless fan.
Wrong again.

marshallvike
12-15-2010, 12:29 AM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

wrong

Your right I was wrong. We do have another clueless fan.

Yes mars, your many years on this earth have made you wisest among all. I am reminded of the saying...Hire a teenager, while he still knows everything.

BloodyHorns82
12-15-2010, 12:40 AM
Yes, Favre makes bad plays. He also makes good plays. TJ? Well not so much. Mostly ok at best, alot of bad, and a few good. Favre is going to the HOF for a reason. TJ is a backup for a reason.

What were his bad plays last night? One botched snap, one INT, a overthrow on a RB wideopen in a screen, holds the ball to loose when he was sacked.

For the INT I saw atleast 5 times he got rid of it when there was nothing. For the missed RB I saw some damn nice throws to guys when we needed it.

Not gonna make excuses or explain away the loose ball. It drives me nuts.

Oh now there is nothing? Now the WRs are not open? Good god! You have nothing but excuses.
Funny how things are reversed. Before it was the Favre faithful making excuses and Tjack supporters ripping them for it.
Now it is Tjack supporters making excuses and Favre faithful ripping them for it.
Circle of life when your team sucks I guess. I think I'll stay out of it, hopefully Tjack can bounce back against the Bears.

Actually they are not reversed. I have seen the WRs not getting open all year INCLUDING the Giants game. See the difference?

Agreed, I don't think it's very reversed either - Jackson is suffering from many of same hindrances Favre did. . I would also add that the O-line still sucks and is partially to blame for Jackson's epic failure last night. The Jackson dick lickers said we were making excuses but it is what it is. Now can the dick lickers accept that it's still a problem and that we weren't just making "excuses" for Favre? It's something many of us complained about relentlessly in the first several weeks of the season!

Just because we have a mobile QB doesn't necessarily make the O-line any better, as evidenced last night.

BloodyHorns82
12-15-2010, 12:48 AM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

wrong

Your right I was wrong. We do have another clueless fan.
Wrong again.

Wrong again about what? Still holding out hope for Jackson eh? Why? What has he shown you that buys such loyalty?

Thinking back to the beginning of the year some of you were calling for Favre's head after the first two games despite the year he gave last year. Yet the same people refuse to call for Jackson's head after two worse games despite the fact that Jackson couldn't even dream of putting up the numbers Favre did.

So I ask again...Why? Is it simply the fear of possibly being wrong about Jackson? I just don't get it. He's never been special but we treat him like he has all this untapped potential.

Infidel
12-15-2010, 01:11 AM
LOL!

Marrdro and Co.
They're eatin' crow.
It's like a Christmas gift
HO HO HO!

:D

(It makes it even more fun when they struggle so desperately to save face.)

marshallvike
12-15-2010, 01:16 AM
To the few still confused individuals out there:

It's OK to be wrong. Many of us thought Favre would come in and perform well again this year. We were wrong. We admit it, and we move on - you should do the same and stop the embarrassment before it gets even further out of hand.

I'll help you, say it with me now - Jackson is inconsistent at best, a bad QB at worst.

There - do you feel better now? Can we move on with discussions of how to fix our teams woes and quit focusing on defending Jackson or ripping Favre? Both QBs failed us, this team failed us.
NEVER.......Unless of course I am wrong. To date, I haven't determined that yet and no one has given me anything to make me sway from that opinioin.

On a side note, you (hell most of you) know I will admit when I've been off. On this one little instance, I just not ready yet. :P

It really does not matter if we sway YOUR opinion. The whole site sees you are wrong. Hell even tad7 sees it.

wrong

Your right I was wrong. We do have another clueless fan.
Wrong again.

Wrong again about what? Still holding out hope for Jackson eh? Why? What has he shown you that buys such loyalty?

Thinking back to the beginning of the year some of you were calling for Favre's head after the first two games despite the year he gave last year. Yet the same people refuse to call for Jackson's head after two worse games despite the fact that Jackson couldn't even dream of putting up the numbers Favre did.

So I ask again...Why? Is it simply the fear of possibly being wrong about Jackson? I just don't get it. He's never been special but we treat him like he has all this untapped potential.

What many have forgotten is that when TJ was given a second chance after Gus, he did show improvement. He definately deserved to be benched at the beginning of that season, but when he returned to the starters role, he was better.
We haven't seen him play extensively since, until the last two games. Now he has one good game and one bad and a number of people want to proclaim him an awful QB. He did not have "two worse games", We scored more points in his first start than we have all year. I did not get to see last nights game, but it sounds like he was bad. Along with the entire offense.
I do have a fear of possibly being wrong about him, but not because some here will give the I told you so, or you were wrong. If he does actually suck, we will be going a long time before we get a good QB. There will be no one in the draft that can come in here and tear it up. I don't care who any "expert" says is a sure thing. None of them are. The bigger problem for a draft pick here is that he will have below average protection, and that will hinder developement. The free agent QB class next year is lacking. That is my fear of being wrong about TJ

ultravikingfan
12-15-2010, 01:31 AM
Wow!

Marr and Singer just get their asspipes blast blasted by Mars!

Can't wait to read the 2,876 posts to counter!

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 01:42 AM
"Marrdro"
We sure didn't see much out of Frazier last night. Well, other than he got the guys together on the sideline. WOW, like that was gonna help.

I'm not on the frazier bandwagon. After all he was hired by Childress and he is still working with the complete staff Childress put together so I am not expecting much to happen this year. Although he did get them to win on the road so that is a plus.


Only way to fix this is to get rid of the whole staff, starting with the DL coach. 2 100 yard rushers.

Like I said above, he is working with the staff Childress put together and running the schemes that Childress installed with the talent Childress assembled and I think he is probably doing as well as can be expected considering all of that but yes, there is still the stench of childress permeating the staff and players and until we purge the team completely things just won't smell right.


I can't believe everyone is giving them a pass and saying it was because of all the 3 and outs. I think those cats need to look at the box score and see how many 3 and outs actually happened before that 73 yarder came out of Jacobs.

I can't believe some people were actually saying going into the season that the team was so deep that we couldn't bring in players and expect them to see playing time because they wouldn't be able to beat any of the starters out. I think those cats were really missing the boat because we had holes all over the roster and it is just going to get worse after the season. Chiller left the team in a terrible spot and it is going to take the next coach a long time to fix it.


The OL was definately overmatched last night. But thier biggest issue last night wasn't blocking, it was fricken penalties and bad snaps (TJ should've handled one of them though).

They are outmatched almost every week and they are committing penalties every game. I agree if Childress had a better handle on bringing in talent on the OL we would be in better shape but when Frazier has to deal with playing the likes of Sullivan, Cook, DeGeare and the rest of the guys Childress has banked on he is in for a long season.



Only one that didn't get a penalty was Cook.

Figures you would be blind to anything he did wrong. Must have had a faulty data entry into the ol spreadsheet.:woohoo:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=20101213016
3rd-7-Min16 Penalty Min-Ryan Cook PENALIZED -4 yards for False Start

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 02:00 AM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?
The standard answer to that one will be....."Childress proved something so we will cut him some slack for looking bad, Frazier hasn't proved anything".

Hmmmm.

12purplepride28
12-15-2010, 02:03 AM
[quote]Figures you would be blind to anything he did wrong. Must have had a faulty data entry into the ol spreadsheet.:woohoo:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=20101213016
3rd-7-Min16 Penalty Min-Ryan Cook PENALIZED -4 yards for False Start

I brought that up earlier, but he ignored me.

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 02:10 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?
Looks like a Favre stat line.


Actually Favre has never thrown for 118 yards this year and had an under 50 QB rating.

Miami game: 44.3 QB rating

Bears game: 44.5 QB rating

GB game: 50.4 QB rating

GB game: 51.2 QB rating

Apparently you can't comprehend what I said. 118 yards AND under 50 QB rating!

TJ sucks.


Stick a fork in him.

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 02:14 AM
One thing to note, in games where Favre starts and Fraizer coaches: 2-0
In games where TJ starts and Fraizer coaches: 0-1

can't argue with the results.

Priceless.

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 02:16 AM
I think it's clear that Frazier needs to start telling people they are auditioning for jobs next year, because there are certainly people out there that aren't pulling their weight (understatement, I know).

Not sure how I feel about Frazier being coach next year after this game though...:unsure:
Another poster with a clue.

Funny how all the cliche's about how the team is inspired under Frazier or playing for pride under Frazier.

Only players I saw show up were the LB'rs, DB's and ST's (again) just like we were seeing under Childress.

Were was Leslies hand in the gameplan? Were was Leslies hand is stopping the run?

What a joke. I'll say it again, the QB looked bad, but so did the whole team. We needed a HC last night and didn't have one.

What a joke indeed. Leslie loses one game against a playoff team and you call for his head. Yet Chilly gets how many years?!

You should be ashamed.

typical.
he will support a QB through 5 years of failure but throw a coach under the bus for one loss.

Sad, sad fan.

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 02:18 AM
We lost to another good team, nothing new. This season the Vikings have not lost to a team with a losing record, or beat a team with a winning record.

Plenty of blame to go around, it is what it is.

You might want to update Tjacks stats for his last 5 starts in your profile:woohoo:

vikinggreg
12-15-2010, 02:27 AM
Save face? I'm not ashamed of being a T-Jack fan or anything I've said before regarding him.

I don't hate him. He sucked tonight. And it frustrated me.
Hang in there big guy. One game doesn't prove anything. The whole offense sucked last night and it would have sucked with the Noodle in there.

Just let them have thier moment. They've been all waiting with baited/bated breath for it. ;)

+1

So much for the so-called fans that said they support our QB.

Hey, Marrdro, did you notice how so many were quick to bash TJ's play, which was warranted, but failed to even mention a pittance of a word about AD's poor play?

14 carries for 26, with one of them being for 7 yards.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Could you explain to me what happened to the Chiefs this weekend the #1 rushing team when they missed Cassel and Croyle started, he wasn't able to keep the defense honest and neither was Jackson, not only could Jackson not threaten with the passing game he kneed our back during a hand off.

bbqplatypus318
12-15-2010, 03:29 AM
I'm just getting in on this thread after making an initial brief post on Monday. I've only got three words in response:

Christ, Marrdro. STILL?

m johnson
12-15-2010, 03:40 AM
all you t jack lovers have hopped on the wrong bandwagon. how bout coming onboard the joe webb bandwagon. if you guys want to talk about untapped potential this is your man. drop all this t jack nonsense and call for webb to get a shot if he's healthy. im a huge favre fan but even if brett can play before the end of the season we have to face reality and see webb get a shot. if he fails then we will know we need to look to taking a qb. in the first round. the last games of the season are a perfect time to give webb a shot and lets see if what the players have been saying about webb being the best athlete on the team are true. im all in

Purple Floyd
12-15-2010, 04:25 AM
15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

Enter Mr. Double Standards! Oh so now drop passes, OL line, and run game mean something. Funny how it did not for Favre.

I take it you did not watch the game. TJ DID run into Peterson and he did miss a snap. I think you need your eyes checked.

TJ sucks.

and now the real fun begins!

From ESPN:

It was worth wondering if one of the players Allen and Shiancoe were targeting was quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, who did pretty much the opposite of what you would hope for from a fifth-year backup with aspirations to start. Jackson seemed lethargic and was mistake-prone. He didn't utilize his mobility and left the game three times because of knee and toe injuries. Interim coach Leslie Frazier, meanwhile, made an oblique reference to the offense being unable to take advantage of single coverage on receivers while the Giants geared their defense toward tailback Adrian Peterson. All were continuations of career-long trends Jackson has demonstrated and provided additional evidence that he can not be considered the team's quarterback of the future.


LMAO. Well, there is your explanation for the lack of yards from AP. And a clue to where the real problem was.

BloodyHorns82
12-15-2010, 04:41 AM
:ohmy:




15/30 = 50%
0 TDs
1 INT
118 yards
4 sacks
4 rushes for 8 yards
Bad throws
Can't handle a snap
Running into Peterson and hurting him
46.3 QB rating <------How about that one C Mac!

Did I miss anything Marrdro and Singer?

No, that pretty much covers it after some editing in regards to TJ.

Now tell us what you thought of...

The OL play

AD's 26 yards on 14 carries (19 yards on 13 carries)

Penalties

Dropped passes

Enter Mr. Double Standards! Oh so now drop passes, OL line, and run game mean something. Funny how it did not for Favre.

I take it you did not watch the game. TJ DID run into Peterson and he did miss a snap. I think you need your eyes checked.

TJ sucks.

and now the real fun begins!

From ESPN:

It was worth wondering if one of the players Allen and Shiancoe were targeting was quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, who did pretty much the opposite of what you would hope for from a fifth-year backup with aspirations to start. Jackson seemed lethargic and was mistake-prone. He didn't utilize his mobility and left the game three times because of knee and toe injuries. Interim coach Leslie Frazier, meanwhile, made an oblique reference to the offense being unable to take advantage of single coverage on receivers while the Giants geared their defense toward tailback Adrian Peterson. All were continuations of career-long trends Jackson has demonstrated and provided additional evidence that he can not be considered the team's quarterback of the future.


LMAO. Well, there is your explanation for the lack of yards from AP. And a clue to where the real problem was.

It used to be Favre's fault. But now that Jackson is in there it is the WRs, Coaching, Adrian Peterson, etc. You can't even make this up, lol. Blame Peterson, I think that's my favorite one.

Zeus
12-15-2010, 05:47 AM
:ohmy:
From ESPN:

It was worth wondering if one of the players Allen and Shiancoe were targeting was quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, who did pretty much the opposite of what you would hope for from a fifth-year backup with aspirations to start. Jackson seemed lethargic and was mistake-prone. He didn't utilize his mobility and left the game three times because of knee and toe injuries. Interim coach Leslie Frazier, meanwhile, made an oblique reference to the offense being unable to take advantage of single coverage on receivers while the Giants geared their defense toward tailback Adrian Peterson. All were continuations of career-long trends Jackson has demonstrated and provided additional evidence that he can not be considered the team's quarterback of the future.


LMAO. Well, there is your explanation for the lack of yards from AP. And a clue to where the real problem was.

It used to be Favre's fault. But now that Jackson is in there it is the WRs, Coaching, Adrian Peterson, etc. You can't even make this up, lol. Blame Peterson, I think that's my favorite one.

I'm still blaming Smoot.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
12-15-2010, 05:48 AM
:ohmy:
From ESPN:

It was worth wondering if one of the players Allen and Shiancoe were targeting was quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, who did pretty much the opposite of what you would hope for from a fifth-year backup with aspirations to start. Jackson seemed lethargic and was mistake-prone. He didn't utilize his mobility and left the game three times because of knee and toe injuries. Interim coach Leslie Frazier, meanwhile, made an oblique reference to the offense being unable to take advantage of single coverage on receivers while the Giants geared their defense toward tailback Adrian Peterson. All were continuations of career-long trends Jackson has demonstrated and provided additional evidence that he can not be considered the team's quarterback of the future.


LMAO. Well, there is your explanation for the lack of yards from AP. And a clue to where the real problem was.

It used to be Favre's fault. But now that Jackson is in there it is the WRs, Coaching, Adrian Peterson, etc. You can't even make this up, lol. Blame Peterson, I think that's my favorite one.

I'm still blaming Smoot.

=Z=

What about Mark Wilf?