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Marrdro
12-07-2010, 09:26 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

marstc09
12-07-2010, 11:49 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

Infidel
12-08-2010, 12:00 AM
Consider the source.

He's a veritable fountain of shit.....dumb and even dumber.

:D

skum
12-08-2010, 12:37 AM
Taking the ball out of Petersons hands is the dumbest thing you can do..

Mr Anderson
12-08-2010, 12:50 AM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.

Purple Floyd
12-08-2010, 01:01 AM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.

V4L
12-08-2010, 01:02 AM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.


Sounds simple enough :P

Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches

V4L
12-08-2010, 01:03 AM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?

Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.


HAHAAHAHA... WHO?!

Who is Childress and Who is Hank Baskett?

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 05:35 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 05:36 PM
Consider the source.

He's a veritable fountain of shit.....dumb and even dumber.

:D
You'll never learn will ya? Good thing that was pointed at me instead of soemone else.

As I said, your time is short on here.

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 05:39 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.
I hear ya my friend, problem is, why are we making things easier for what a select few (thier numbers are dwindelling) believe is the second coming?

If you have a whole team working to make a certain players life easier you are really messing up and will probably wind up loosing in that effort.

Ohhhhh wait, maybe thats why we are loosing this season. LOL......JK, couldn't resist that last little jab. :laugh:

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 05:46 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 05:49 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.


Sounds simple enough :P

Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches
I wonder who is happier to see the Noodle taking a back seat......

a. Marrdro
b. AD
c. The OL
d. The WR's especially the ones who run deep routes
e. TJ.
f. All of the above.

Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

tastywaves
12-08-2010, 06:07 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.


Sounds simple enough :P

Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches
I wonder who is happier to see the Noodle taking a back seat......

a. Marrdro
b. AD
c. The OL
d. The WR's especially the ones who run deep routes
e. TJ.
f. All of the above.

Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

This hero you speak of is one busted up old man at this point that would probably be better off physically if he was only run over by a bus.

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 06:14 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.


Sounds simple enough :P

Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches
I wonder who is happier to see the Noodle taking a back seat......

a. Marrdro
b. AD
c. The OL
d. The WR's especially the ones who run deep routes
e. TJ.
f. All of the above.

Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

This hero you speak of is one busted up old man at this point that would probably be better off physically if he was only run over by a bus.
To quote my good friend Caine, ........"Sounds like an excuse to me"....JK. :laugh:

All in all, it really makes one wonder why the team is so adement about running said hero onto the field if he is in that bad of shape especially when you saw your team carry another kid who basically isn't in that bad of shape who, by the way, really didn't look that bad.

Infidel
12-08-2010, 06:39 PM
The Favre debate is moot.

Favre is probably done for the season due to Mac's lazy play when he quit on pass defense.

As to the premise of this thread (that Peterson is the plan).....that premise is invalid.

The plan is to play each opponent as they come along and some will be more vulnerable to the run, some will be more vulnerable to the pass--but both pass and run are REQUIRED to win.

i_bleed_purple
12-08-2010, 06:45 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

Are you watching the same OL everyone else was?

They didn't play better, they LOOKED better, because TJ can move and buy time. But they didn't play any better this week.

i_bleed_purple
12-08-2010, 06:46 PM
Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

More like tired of beating the same dead horse over and over again. There's only so long you can "discuss" the same thing constantly, before all parties involved grow tired of it, then you claim to be the victor.

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 06:49 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

Are you watching the same OL everyone else was?

They didn't play better, they LOOKED better, because TJ can move and buy time. But they didn't play any better this week.
I think your point is tracking with what alot of us are saying.

Our OL plays fine. Statistically they are playing above the league avg (I posted that two weeks ago). Thier problem is they are trying to protect a guy who is not indecisive with the ball and very immobile.

Mix that in with some minor issues with passing assignments/execution by the RB/FB position and things look bad.

If you, as you said, put a guy in there who can extend a play or is willing to get rid of the ball quicker to checkdowns, the OL play will look alot better. Again, as you and alot of us have said.

In short. I agree.:laugh:

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 06:52 PM
Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

More like tired of beating the same dead horse over and over again. There's only so long you can "discuss" the same thing constantly, before all parties involved grow tired of it, then you claim to be the victor.
.......snicker..........

Then I am wearing you down. Guess what, it will all be over in 4 short games. Then we can get back to good ole PPO when we talked about fun things like football instead of some broke dick ole has been. You know, the guy I affectionately refer to as the Noodle. :laugh:

i_bleed_purple
12-08-2010, 06:52 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

Are you watching the same OL everyone else was?

They didn't play better, they LOOKED better, because TJ can move and buy time. But they didn't play any better this week.
I think your point is tracking with what alot of us are saying.

Our OL plays fine. Statistically they are playing above the league avg (I posted that two weeks ago). Thier problem is they are trying to protect a guy who is not indecisive with the ball and very immobile.

Yes, that's the reason he holds onto the ball so long, not because receivers don't get open right? Even until now, i don't think we've had the same WR lineup for 3 straight weeks yet this season. Not trying to take the blame off Favre, but the WR's are not cutting it. Rice being back has helped.


Mix that in with some minor issues with passing assignments/execution by the RB/FB position and things look bad.When your five OL can't block four pass rushers, it IS bad.


If you, as you said, put a guy in there who can extend a play or is willing to get rid of the ball quicker to checkdowns, the OL play will look alot better. Again, as you and alot of us have said.

In short. I agree.:laugh:

Heck, didn't it look better last week too? the playcalling helped tremendously, play action and rollouts made the pass protection look a hell of alot better than it really was.

Marrdro
12-08-2010, 07:33 PM
Yes, that's the reason he holds onto the ball so long, not because receivers don't get open right? Even until now, i don't think we've had the same WR lineup for 3 straight weeks yet this season. Not trying to take the blame off Favre, but the WR's are not cutting it. Rice being back has helped.

But see, for me, atleast, we've been sold a bill of goods that the Noodle made the WR's last year. Should it really matter who is in there if that is in fact the truth?

I guess I should blame the chuckleheads who touted that falacy instead of the broke down old man.


When your five OL can't block four pass rushers, it IS bad.
But that is the problem. It isn't just 4 rushers for the most part. What we see on almost every down, leading upto the last two weeks, has been a stacked box with multiple rushers coming in the gaps on thier way to the spot the QB should be. If they find a RB on the way they get him. If they don't they just move onto the anticipated QB spot.

The trickledown affect from that is the RB's/FB's and to a certain degree, the TEs need to do a better job, not the OLmen for the most part.


Heck, didn't it look better last week too? the playcalling helped tremendously, play action and rollouts made the pass protection look a hell of alot better than it really was.
Of course it did. What is so mystifying is why it took so long for them to do it. Hate on the Chiller if you want, but I don't think his gameplan was to have the Noodle stand back there like a statue all season long.

If you really think about it the only logical explanation is that the ankle precluded him from doing until last week cause we saw alot of it last year.

Long story short, we aren't the only team that has issues like this for goodness sake. It happens league wide and every team moves thier QB off the spot and/or runs at the rusher to slow it down.

Infidel
12-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Long story short, we aren't the only team that has issues like this for goodness sake. It happens league wide

Marrdro makes a good point.

Payton Manning has run into the same problem with much the same results.

His pass protection has failed and his receivers have been changed up a lot and have been unreliable as far as a deep threat.

He's thrown a ton of interceptions lately.

It all starts with the O-Line.... and a balanced and reliable group of healthy receivers is essential.

i_bleed_purple
12-08-2010, 08:12 PM
Yes, that's the reason he holds onto the ball so long, not because receivers don't get open right? Even until now, i don't think we've had the same WR lineup for 3 straight weeks yet this season. Not trying to take the blame off Favre, but the WR's are not cutting it. Rice being back has helped.

But see, for me, atleast, we've been sold a bill of goods that the Noodle made the WR's last year. Should it really matter who is in there if that is in fact the truth?

I guess I should blame the chuckleheads who touted that falacy instead of the broke down old man.
Not quite.

Favre made the receivers last year, yes. But the receivers he made were Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe. With Rice missing half the year, Harvin banged up all the time, and Shiancoe missing somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle, he's trying to make guys like Camarillo, Lewis and Kliensasser. Hard to run an offense with those guys. When Harvin is healthy, he's a beast, and does well with Favre. Same with Rice. We've just been lacking any type of consistency from our receivers.

So yes, QB's can make receivers, but there needs to be some skill on the other end. Favre can't turn nobody's into somebody's, but last year, he made some good receivers look even better. Its a delicate balance of WR's make QB's, and QB's make WR's. QB's need some talent, but if it's there, good QB's can work wonders with that.



When your five OL can't block four pass rushers, it IS bad.
But that is the problem. It isn't just 4 rushers for the most part. What we see on almost every down, leading upto the last two weeks, has been a stacked box with multiple rushers coming in the gaps on thier way to the spot the QB should be. If they find a RB on the way they get him. If they don't they just move onto the anticipated QB spot.

I'll give you ONE example, first play I looked at.

The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0
it's a bit blurry, but you can get the general idea.



Heck, didn't it look better last week too? the playcalling helped tremendously, play action and rollouts made the pass protection look a hell of alot better than it really was.
Of course it did. What is so mystifying is why it took so long for them to do it. Hate on the Chiller if you want, but I don't think his gameplan was to have the Noodle stand back there like a statue all season long.
Well what was it then? Chilly spilled whiteout on his game sheet and couldn't figure out how to fix it? Or is it just coincidence that the moment Chilly leaves, the game plan seems to change drastically?


If you really think about it the only logical explanation is that the ankle precluded him from doing until last week cause we saw alot of it last year. His ankle wasn't hurting him all season long.

Infidel
12-08-2010, 08:15 PM
Bleed Purple said:


Favre made the receivers last year, yes. But the receivers he made were Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe. With Rice missing half the year, Harvin banged up all the time, and Shiancoe missing somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle, he's trying to make guys like Camarillo, Lewis and Kliensasser. Hard to run an offense with those guys. When Harvin is healthy, he's a beast, and does well with Favre. Same with Rice. We've just been lacking any type of consistency from our receivers.

Exactly. And the early season Berrian was another huge problem.

Entire post was an excellent analysis.

Are you getting this, Marrdro?

Purple Floyd
12-09-2010, 01:55 AM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.


Sounds simple enough :P

Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches
I wonder who is happier to see the Noodle taking a back seat......

a. Marrdro
b. AD
c. The OL
d. The WR's especially the ones who run deep routes
e. TJ.
f. All of the above.

Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

This hero you speak of is one busted up old man at this point that would probably be better off physically if he was only run over by a bus.
To quote my good friend Caine, ........"Sounds like an excuse to me"....JK. :laugh:

All in all, it really makes one wonder why the team is so adement about running said hero onto the field if he is in that bad of shape especially when you saw your team carry another kid who basically isn't in that bad of shape who, by the way, really didn't look that bad.

Probably because they know that kids was only facing the Bills and that the Giants are a much better team and would probably int him 6-9 times.

Infidel
12-09-2010, 02:17 AM
Bleed Purple said:


The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0

Love the way that clip shows the total failure of pass protection......and the big Doodle Mac taking a break instead of completing his blocking assignment.

Mr Anderson
12-09-2010, 02:23 AM
The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?

singersp
12-09-2010, 02:29 AM
Bleed Purple said:


The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0

Love the way that clip shows the total failure of pass protection......and the big Doodle Mac taking a break instead of completing his blocking assignment.

I was trying to tell that to those who claimed the OL played great. McKinnie gives his guy one shove then turns & leisurely strolls back to the line with Shank next to him.

Mr Anderson
12-09-2010, 02:57 AM
Bleed Purple said:


The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0

Love the way that clip shows the total failure of pass protection......and the big Doodle Mac taking a break instead of completing his blocking assignment.

I was trying to tell that to those who claimed the OL played great. McKinnie gives his guy one shove then turns & leisurely strolls back to the line with Shank next to him.
McKinnie's guy made the hit because Favre held it for too long.

He had 4+ seconds to throw. The guy who hit him got taken 10 yards deep into the backfield by McKinnie and ran another 10 to hit Favre.

And leisurely walked back to the line? What's he supposed to do? Teleport 15 yards and save Favre from the hit?

A lot of people here seem to think it's easy to protect a QB you can't see. McKinnie did his job there. You're wrong if you think otherwise.

It's Favre's fault he got hit. The announcer even says it. "I think Brett's gotta get rid of the ball, he needs to sense that the pressure's breaking down." I think he either meant bearing down, or protection breaking down. But his message is the same even if his words are confused.

Infidel
12-09-2010, 03:04 AM
Mr. Anderson said:



It's Favre's fault he got hit.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, what the hell.....blame Favre because that big Doodle Mac got winded and gave up too quick.

:D

Infidel
12-09-2010, 03:07 AM
The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?

Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

:D

Mr Anderson
12-09-2010, 03:15 AM
The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?

Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

:D
The clock does tick down in football.

I mean American Football, by the way.

Each quarter is 15:00 and counts down to 00:00.

So 13:43(snap), 13:42, 13:41, 13:40, 13:39, 13:38(hit).

Infidel
12-09-2010, 03:16 AM
Mr. Anderson said:



He had 4+ seconds to throw. The guy who hit him got taken 10 yards deep into the backfield by McKinnie and ran another 10 to hit Favre.

And leisurely walked back to the line? What's he supposed to do? Teleport 15 yards and save Favre from the hit?

Again, Mac should have kept driving the guy the same way they were going.

Even a Doodle should be able to figure out that Favre wasn't going to be back there.

But Mac got winded with 8 yards of work, so he quit. Maybe it's in his union contract. Take a guy 8 yards and you get a break.....to hell with your QB.

Oh, and Favre had less than 3.5 seconds.....not much for a rollout.

All you have to do is time the play with a stop watch.

Mr Anderson
12-09-2010, 03:33 AM
Mr. Anderson said:



He had 4+ seconds to throw. The guy who hit him got taken 10 yards deep into the backfield by McKinnie and ran another 10 to hit Favre.

And leisurely walked back to the line? What's he supposed to do? Teleport 15 yards and save Favre from the hit?

Again, Mac should have kept driving the guy the same way they were going.

Even a Doodle should be able to figure out that Favre wasn't going to be back there.

But Mac got winded with 8 yards of work, so he quit. Maybe it's in his union contract. Take a guy 8 yards and you get a break.....to hell with your QB.

Oh, and Favre had less than 3.5 seconds.....not much for a rollout.
He couldn't have continued to drive the guy without holding him. The guy was faster than him, as most linebackers are faster than offensive linemen and he gave him a final shove. Putting him 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He took the guy out of the play, Favre brought him back in.

You simply cannot hold the ball for 4 seconds NFL team brings 5. ESPECIALLY on a rollout. If you're offensive line isn't sure where you are, but the defense can see you, they're at a disadvantage. The only way to stop a guy from escaping you laterally or backwards is to hold him. Rollouts can buy time in the NFL when you don't have a rookie RB making the most important block on a defensive end, or when you have a QB that can actually move.

I see 4 seconds to throw, that's enough. If anything, this is a coverage sack(despite not being a sack, so I guess it's a "coverage hit.") There was adequate time for him to get rid of the ball. He tried to do too much, again, and we paid the price, again. He's been making plays like this all season.

Infidel
12-09-2010, 03:40 AM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.

Mr Anderson
12-09-2010, 04:31 AM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.
McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.

It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.
It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

Infidel
12-09-2010, 04:35 AM
That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

:D

Purple Floyd
12-09-2010, 04:37 AM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.
McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.

It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.
It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

Ummm. Could you repeat the part about the thing?.......

Infidel
12-09-2010, 04:46 AM
But the announcer even said it....the announcer even said it!

:D :D :D

Mr Anderson
12-09-2010, 04:48 AM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.
McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.

It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.
It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

Ummm. Could you repeat the part about the thing?.......
I thought I'd repeat each line individually and then the whole post again so it would really sink in for Infidel. Hopefully this strategy works and we can successfully communicate with him in the future. Maybe I'll even be able to teach him how to properly quote posts.

I may have made a major breakthrough.

Infidel, my bank account number is 11401550986, my pin is 9545. You can take as much as you want.


See he will interpret that as me saying. "I'm going to rob a bank today and I eat boogers." So I have nothing to worry about. Fortunately for me, I only wrote it once or I could be in some real financial trouble!

Edit: And for those of you who can understand what I write in this post, that is obviously not my real account number or pin, it is just a series of random numbers.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 01:53 PM
The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?

Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

:D
The clock does tick down in football.

I mean American Football, by the way.

Each quarter is 15:00 and counts down to 00:00.

So 13:43(snap), 13:42, 13:41, 13:40, 13:39, 13:38(hit).
ROTHFLMAO..........Mr. A, Office linebacker, getting schooled by the font of all wisdom that is the Infidel. :laugh: :laugh:

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 01:55 PM
Mr. Anderson said:



He had 4+ seconds to throw. The guy who hit him got taken 10 yards deep into the backfield by McKinnie and ran another 10 to hit Favre.

And leisurely walked back to the line? What's he supposed to do? Teleport 15 yards and save Favre from the hit?

Again, Mac should have kept driving the guy the same way they were going.

Even a Doodle should be able to figure out that Favre wasn't going to be back there.

But Mac got winded with 8 yards of work, so he quit. Maybe it's in his union contract. Take a guy 8 yards and you get a break.....to hell with your QB.

Oh, and Favre had less than 3.5 seconds.....not much for a rollout.
He couldn't have continued to drive the guy without holding him. The guy was faster than him, as most linebackers are faster than offensive linemen and he gave him a final shove. Putting him 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He took the guy out of the play, Favre brought him back in.

You simply cannot hold the ball for 4 seconds NFL team brings 5. ESPECIALLY on a rollout. If you're offensive line isn't sure where you are, but the defense can see you, they're at a disadvantage. The only way to stop a guy from escaping you laterally or backwards is to hold him. Rollouts can buy time in the NFL when you don't have a rookie RB making the most important block on a defensive end, or when you have a QB that can actually move.

I see 4 seconds to throw, that's enough. If anything, this is a coverage sack(despite not being a sack, so I guess it's a "coverage hit.") There was adequate time for him to get rid of the ball. He tried to do too much, again, and we paid the price, again. He's been making plays like this all season.
Don't even try Mr. A, it will just fall on deaf ears.

On a side note, you know my feelings on Big Mac, but I actually thought he did a good job sticking with the guy to the back of the pocket and then, just as we was about to disengage, he shoved him even further.

Purple Floyd
12-09-2010, 01:56 PM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.
McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.

It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.
It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

Ummm. Could you repeat the part about the thing?.......
I thought I'd repeat each line individually and then the whole post again so it would really sink in for Infidel. Hopefully this strategy works and we can successfully communicate with him in the future. Maybe I'll even be able to teach him how to properly quote posts.

I may have made a major breakthrough.

Infidel, my bank account number is 11401550986, my pin is 9545. You can take as much as you want.


See he will interpret that as me saying. "I'm going to rob a bank today and I eat boogers." So I have nothing to worry about. Fortunately for me, I only wrote it once or I could be in some real financial trouble!

Edit: And for those of you who can understand what I write in this post, that is obviously not my real account number or pin, it is just a series of random numbers.

I was just giving you crap. That line was from Homer on a Simpsons episode that they use on KFAN once in a while.:P

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 01:58 PM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.
Quick question, who do you think he was throwing it to, a guy deep or a guy on a crossing route?

Regardless, I'm not sure what is more funny, that you didn't know the clock ran down or that you think it took that long for the Noodle to go to a checkdown.

Yet again, your level of football knowledge absolutely amazes me.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 01:59 PM
It was 3.5 seconds at most.

And all you're really saying is that Mac got beat.

I agree, except that he basically let himself get beat by quitting.

Come on....the big fat Doodle obviously did what he thought was enough......and then he quit......just a tenth of a second too soon and Favre was hit as he threw that ball.

Favre can't CHOOSE exactly when to throw....he was watching a receiver and threw at the right time.

His pass protection failed.

And Favre got hurt because of it.
McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.

It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.

McKinnie didn't quit on the play. McKinnie didn't quit on the play.

He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran. He took the guy as far into the backfield as he could and eventually got outran.

He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre. He then gave a final shove in order to further remove the defensive player from Favre.

Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it. Favre held onto the ball for too long, the announcer even said it.
It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself. It's the line's responsibility to protect the QB, but it's equally important for the QB to protect himself.

A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are. A wanna-be hero will make his offensive line look a lot worse than they really are.
OK, that one got me yelled at by the boss........"Hey, get off the web site".......LOL

Mr. A bringing the funny today. :laugh:

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 02:02 PM
See he will interpret that as me saying. "I'm going to rob a bank today and I eat boogers." So I have nothing to worry about. Fortunately for me, I only wrote it once or I could be in some real financial trouble!

Edit: And for those of you who can understand what I write in this post, that is obviously not my real account number or pin, it is just a series of random numbers.
Holy crap. I can't stop laughing. Honestly, I knew Mr. A knew football, however, I never saw the comedian in him.

Anyway, Mr. A, thanks. I was having a shitty start to my day and you made it all seem OK with those last few post.

Damn I love PPO.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Yes, that's the reason he holds onto the ball so long, not because receivers don't get open right? Even until now, i don't think we've had the same WR lineup for 3 straight weeks yet this season. Not trying to take the blame off Favre, but the WR's are not cutting it. Rice being back has helped.

But see, for me, atleast, we've been sold a bill of goods that the Noodle made the WR's last year. Should it really matter who is in there if that is in fact the truth?

I guess I should blame the chuckleheads who touted that falacy instead of the broke down old man.
Not quite.

Favre made the receivers last year, yes. But the receivers he made were Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe. With Rice missing half the year, Harvin banged up all the time, and Shiancoe missing somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle, he's trying to make guys like Camarillo, Lewis and Kliensasser. Hard to run an offense with those guys. When Harvin is healthy, he's a beast, and does well with Favre. Same with Rice. We've just been lacking any type of consistency from our receivers.

So yes, QB's can make receivers, but there needs to be some skill on the other end. Favre can't turn nobody's into somebody's, but last year, he made some good receivers look even better. Its a delicate balance of WR's make QB's, and QB's make WR's. QB's need some talent, but if it's there, good QB's can work wonders with that.



When your five OL can't block four pass rushers, it IS bad.
But that is the problem. It isn't just 4 rushers for the most part. What we see on almost every down, leading upto the last two weeks, has been a stacked box with multiple rushers coming in the gaps on thier way to the spot the QB should be. If they find a RB on the way they get him. If they don't they just move onto the anticipated QB spot.

I'll give you ONE example, first play I looked at.

The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0
it's a bit blurry, but you can get the general idea.



Heck, didn't it look better last week too? the playcalling helped tremendously, play action and rollouts made the pass protection look a hell of alot better than it really was.
Of course it did. What is so mystifying is why it took so long for them to do it. Hate on the Chiller if you want, but I don't think his gameplan was to have the Noodle stand back there like a statue all season long.
Well what was it then? Chilly spilled whiteout on his game sheet and couldn't figure out how to fix it? Or is it just coincidence that the moment Chilly leaves, the game plan seems to change drastically?


If you really think about it the only logical explanation is that the ankle precluded him from doing until last week cause we saw alot of it last year. His ankle wasn't hurting him all season long.
Two Three comments....

1. The Video - I can't see the Video but I would probably see OLmen missing blitzers. I am not saying that isn't happening. I saying the OL is playing at just above league average. That means they miss blitzers but it isn't as bad as you Noodle lovers make it out to be.

Do you really think that any OL won't miss them once in awhile? I don't.

2. On the Chiller. Nope, what I think happened is that over time his ankle has healed enough to allow him to roll out. Makes more damn sense that a) the Chiller wouldn't let him and b) the whiteout explanation you just gave for cripes sake.

3. On the WR's. So as long as the WR's are Probowl caliber he can make them, but if they are average, typicall league kindof guys, he can't? Good thing the QB's running the Pats, Colts, Chiefs and Chargers don't have the Noodle.

WOW.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 02:18 PM
Bleed Purple said:


The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0

Love the way that clip shows the total failure of pass protection......and the big Doodle Mac taking a break instead of completing his blocking assignment.

I was trying to tell that to those who claimed the OL played great. McKinnie gives his guy one shove then turns & leisurely strolls back to the line with Shank next to him.
First, who the hell has ever said the OL plays great?

Second, you keep touting that the OL is crap for years, I keep replying to you refuting that discussion point and all I get is crickets out of you.

Third, I can pull up a single vid (if I was at home) of great pass protection when TJ was in there and then contend the OL was great and I would be just as wrong as trying to use one clip to justify they are bad for cripes sake.

Again, thats not what I am saying. Our OL problems can be traced to what the defenses learned from the Aints in the NFCC game.

The Noodle isn't very mobile.
All you have to do is flood the gaps (probably what the Vid is showing).
As you flood the gaps on your way to the statue QB and you meet a RB tackle him.
If you don't meet a RB you sack the QB.
It isn't always a OLmens responsibility to cover all guys in those gaps.
RB's/FB's and TE's have a role as well.

My guess, I will hear Crickets from you again on this. Thats OK, I will keep trying to explain it to you........ ;)

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:28 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:

There is nothing else to say on it. You have no evidence or proof. These guys don't blame Favre. THEY WENT DOWN TO GET HIS ASS!

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:30 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:40 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.


Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)
I think they're trying to make life easier for that "one player." By sticking with Peterson and simplifying the offense.

Let make great players make plays and watch the wins pile up.


Sounds simple enough :P

Really though it all should go through him.. Gotta have some balance but clearly he is a frickin freak and should get a TON of touches
I wonder who is happier to see the Noodle taking a back seat......

a. Marrdro
b. AD
c. The OL
d. The WR's especially the ones who run deep routes
e. TJ.
f. All of the above.

Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

Or they just don't care to argue with you anymore cause it is a lost cause. We got a great year out of Favre. I know it pains you to have to say that. You were incredibly wrong and you can't stand it. Favre has taken you soul! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 05:41 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:

There is nothing else to say on it. You have no evidence or proof. These guys don't blame Favre. THEY WENT DOWN TO GET HIS ASS!
I didn't know Sully or AD went down there. Heck, I didn't even know the Theenimy went down there.

How did I miss that?

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:41 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

Are you watching the same OL everyone else was?

They didn't play better, they LOOKED better, because TJ can move and buy time. But they didn't play any better this week.

Reality is not in Marrdros vocab. lol

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:42 PM
Anyway, I think the participation in this thread is a prime example that there are very few PPO'rs who are willing to come to the Noodles defense anymore either.

LOL, how sad they would throw thier hero under the bus that quick.

More like tired of beating the same dead horse over and over again. There's only so long you can "discuss" the same thing constantly, before all parties involved grow tired of it, then you claim to be the victor.

I swear dude you are one of the smartest on PPO. You are definitely at the top of my spreadsheet.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:45 PM
Yes, that's the reason he holds onto the ball so long, not because receivers don't get open right? Even until now, i don't think we've had the same WR lineup for 3 straight weeks yet this season. Not trying to take the blame off Favre, but the WR's are not cutting it. Rice being back has helped.

But see, for me, atleast, we've been sold a bill of goods that the Noodle made the WR's last year. Should it really matter who is in there if that is in fact the truth?

I guess I should blame the chuckleheads who touted that falacy instead of the broke down old man.
Not quite.

Favre made the receivers last year, yes. But the receivers he made were Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe. With Rice missing half the year, Harvin banged up all the time, and Shiancoe missing somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle, he's trying to make guys like Camarillo, Lewis and Kliensasser. Hard to run an offense with those guys. When Harvin is healthy, he's a beast, and does well with Favre. Same with Rice. We've just been lacking any type of consistency from our receivers.

So yes, QB's can make receivers, but there needs to be some skill on the other end. Favre can't turn nobody's into somebody's, but last year, he made some good receivers look even better. Its a delicate balance of WR's make QB's, and QB's make WR's. QB's need some talent, but if it's there, good QB's can work wonders with that.



When your five OL can't block four pass rushers, it IS bad.
But that is the problem. It isn't just 4 rushers for the most part. What we see on almost every down, leading upto the last two weeks, has been a stacked box with multiple rushers coming in the gaps on thier way to the spot the QB should be. If they find a RB on the way they get him. If they don't they just move onto the anticipated QB spot.

I'll give you ONE example, first play I looked at.

The Favre hit. Vikes lined up in the gun, trips right, Shank on the left, AP to Favre's right.

Bills line up in what appears to be the 1-4-6, with one down lineman. All 4 LB's blitz, the DT runs a stunt to the right. Shiancoe and McKinnie both miss their blocks, AP was the only guy who actually held his man. Whoever was playing RG (Cook?) couldn't hold his man, forcing him outside, right where Favre was running. Favre had to cut inside, and got smoked by the LB who came all the way across the play around the Left Tackle for the big hit.
Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4OmsTSutb0
it's a bit blurry, but you can get the general idea.



Heck, didn't it look better last week too? the playcalling helped tremendously, play action and rollouts made the pass protection look a hell of alot better than it really was.
Of course it did. What is so mystifying is why it took so long for them to do it. Hate on the Chiller if you want, but I don't think his gameplan was to have the Noodle stand back there like a statue all season long.
Well what was it then? Chilly spilled whiteout on his game sheet and couldn't figure out how to fix it? Or is it just coincidence that the moment Chilly leaves, the game plan seems to change drastically?


If you really think about it the only logical explanation is that the ankle precluded him from doing until last week cause we saw alot of it last year. His ankle wasn't hurting him all season long.

Owned. I am too lazy to get a picture. Oh wait no I am not!
http://www.w3bbo.com/forums/owned/Owned-BMX.jpg

Infidel
12-09-2010, 05:45 PM
Mardro said:


Quick question, who do you think he was throwing it to, a guy deep or a guy on a crossing route?

From the way he set up and the movements of his body, I'd be pretty sure that he was throwing deep. It looked like a high trajectory was intended but stopped on the hit from the guy that Mac gave up on.

Mac's laziness probably cost us a QB AND a TD.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 05:46 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:48 PM
The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?

Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

:D
The clock does tick down in football.

I mean American Football, by the way.

Each quarter is 15:00 and counts down to 00:00.

So 13:43(snap), 13:42, 13:41, 13:40, 13:39, 13:38(hit).

An OL not being able to hold a guy for 4 or 5 seconds is sad. Do you see how much time some of these QBs get on other teams?

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:50 PM
Mr. Anderson said:



He had 4+ seconds to throw. The guy who hit him got taken 10 yards deep into the backfield by McKinnie and ran another 10 to hit Favre.

And leisurely walked back to the line? What's he supposed to do? Teleport 15 yards and save Favre from the hit?

Again, Mac should have kept driving the guy the same way they were going.

Even a Doodle should be able to figure out that Favre wasn't going to be back there.

But Mac got winded with 8 yards of work, so he quit. Maybe it's in his union contract. Take a guy 8 yards and you get a break.....to hell with your QB.

Oh, and Favre had less than 3.5 seconds.....not much for a rollout.
He couldn't have continued to drive the guy without holding him. The guy was faster than him, as most linebackers are faster than offensive linemen and he gave him a final shove. Putting him 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He took the guy out of the play, Favre brought him back in.

You simply cannot hold the ball for 4 seconds NFL team brings 5. ESPECIALLY on a rollout. If you're offensive line isn't sure where you are, but the defense can see you, they're at a disadvantage. The only way to stop a guy from escaping you laterally or backwards is to hold him. Rollouts can buy time in the NFL when you don't have a rookie RB making the most important block on a defensive end, or when you have a QB that can actually move.

I see 4 seconds to throw, that's enough. If anything, this is a coverage sack(despite not being a sack, so I guess it's a "coverage hit.") There was adequate time for him to get rid of the ball. He tried to do too much, again, and we paid the price, again. He's been making plays like this all season.
Don't even try Mr. A, it will just fall on deaf ears.



Sort of like you with Favre...

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:53 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:

There is nothing else to say on it. You have no evidence or proof. These guys don't blame Favre. THEY WENT DOWN TO GET HIS ASS!
I didn't know Sully or AD went down there. Heck, I didn't even know the Theenimy went down there.

How did I miss that?

I guess you missed their comments pre-season. Especially Peterson. Actually in old age you probably forgot.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 05:58 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 06:05 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 06:08 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 06:10 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 06:12 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:

There is nothing else to say on it. You have no evidence or proof. These guys don't blame Favre. THEY WENT DOWN TO GET HIS ASS!
I didn't know Sully or AD went down there. Heck, I didn't even know the Theenimy went down there.

How did I miss that?

I guess you missed their comments pre-season. Especially Peterson. Actually in old age you probably forgot.
Nope, didn't forget. I am of the mind they were just toeing the party line cause they new the owner was driving the train on this.

Again, bad juju when the owner is making coaching decisions instead of the coaches.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 06:16 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?

You don't know that.

You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

You fail.

http://www.admavericks.com/wp-content/uploads/fail28.jpg

marstc09
12-09-2010, 06:17 PM
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Thats it? The great defender of the Noodle comes up with......"Dumb Shit".

LOL. I expected more out of ya. Am I finally wearing you down? :laugh:

There is nothing else to say on it. You have no evidence or proof. These guys don't blame Favre. THEY WENT DOWN TO GET HIS ASS!
I didn't know Sully or AD went down there. Heck, I didn't even know the Theenimy went down there.

How did I miss that?

I guess you missed their comments pre-season. Especially Peterson. Actually in old age you probably forgot.
Nope, didn't forget. I am of the mind they were just toeing the party line cause they new the owner was driving the train on this.

Again, bad juju when the owner is making coaching decisions instead of the coaches.

Assumptions will not get you anywhere.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 06:20 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?

You don't know that.

You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

You fail.

http://www.admavericks.com/wp-content/uploads/fail28.jpg
I can't fail, I wasn't the HC. He failed.

Seriously though, you are trying to tell me that a busted ankle didn't limit what he could do and, in turn, limit what the staff could do.....WOW.

Again, they rolled him out all the time last year. They didn't this year, up until the last game he played......As I said earlier, it makes alot more logical sense to assume that the ankle had something to do with it other than to think it was whiteout or a the lack of adjustments on the staffs part.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 06:24 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?

You don't know that.

You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

You fail.

http://www.admavericks.com/wp-content/uploads/fail28.jpg
I can't fail, I wasn't the HC. He failed.

Seriously though, you are trying to tell me that a busted ankle didn't limit what he could do and, in turn, limit what the staff could do.....WOW.



Actually I was the first to bring that up and the haters just claimed I was making excuses. Funny how things have turned. HAHAHAHA

Again you did fail. Chilly failed to do it. Leslie did. You think that ankle is just magically healed now. WOW!

Oh BTW you also said Leslie would not make a difference. He has.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 06:32 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?

You don't know that.

You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

You fail.

http://www.admavericks.com/wp-content/uploads/fail28.jpg
I can't fail, I wasn't the HC. He failed.

Seriously though, you are trying to tell me that a busted ankle didn't limit what he could do and, in turn, limit what the staff could do.....WOW.



Actually I was the first to bring that up and the haters just claimed I was making excuses. Funny how things have turned. HAHAHAHA

Again you did fail. Chilly failed to do it. Leslie did. You think that ankle is just magically healed now. WOW!

Oh BTW you also said Leslie would not make a difference. He has.
I think I actually said something along the lines of....."I don't see how he can improve the team and the DL at the same time as he hasn't improved the DL all year".

I think I then followed that up with ......"I was wrong. The best move he made was by taking himself out of defense and letting coach Pagac fix things".....


Again, I admit when I'm wrong. Some people don't.:kiss:

On a side note, I'm still waiting for your search on the little Nooodle thing you were gonna go find that I you said I didn't say.

marstc09
12-09-2010, 06:36 PM
This is the kind of thing, though, that builds team unity and chemistry. The fact that the Vikings can believe in one player and he comes through for them.
We all know one player they don't appear to believe in anymore.


Madieu Williams?



The week before against the Redskins, after Peterson injured his ankle, there was a discussion at halftime if the Vikings should stick with the game plan behind Toby Gerhart or let Brett Favre try to win the game. Center John Sullivan approached Frazier and encouraged him to keep running the ball. Frazier decided not to deviate from the plan.

Atleast the Center doesn't. He would rather give the ball to Toby instead of the Noodle. My guess, thier tired of trying to protect his old gimp ass.
The center knew he didn't stand a chance at sustaining a block long enough to give the QB time so he lobbied the coach to stich to something he had a better chance of accomplishing:laugh:



Frazier told me the Vikings want to get back to being the team they were in 2008, and youíre seeing it the last two weeks. That was a team that ran the ball in a physical way and relied on Peterson (who had his best season with 1,760 yards) because they didnít have a quarterback they could rely on.

Hmmmmmmmm, even the HC seems to believe they are better off doing business the way we did prior to the Noodles arrival.

Frazier is sticking to plan, which is Peterson
(http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/12/07/vikings-frazier-is-sticking-to-plan-which-is-peterson/)

Coach Frazier, if you by some small miracle, pull this off by relying on AD and limiting the damage the Noodle can do, as you try to win following the owners mandate to keep the streak alive, I will be a fan forever.

That will/would be one hell of a coaching job.;)

Considering the poor job the OL has been doing in pass protection and not knowing who they are going to have healthy at WR on any given Sunday what other choice does he really have?


Seems the OL does pretty good with TJ behind it. Hell, we saw the best production at WR (2 TDs 105yds) and finally got to see AD break a long one for a TD.


Do you think he is going to make some stupid Childress statement like "We have Hank Baskett? LMAO.
This is a hack on the Noodle thread. Not a hack on the Chiller thread although I have to admit, that was well played.:P

The roll outs even with Favre are covering it up. Your boy Chilly was just too stupid to make the adjustment.
What adjustments could have been made?

Wow that went right over your head.
Its happened before, it will happen again. Please enlighten me.

Dude I even said it in my post. Rolling the QB out will help the OL. Chilly could not figure that adjustment out.
And I said he couldn't cause the Noodles ankle, you know, the one with the busted bones, wouldn't allow that.

So, going on that little premise, what adjustment should have he made?

You don't know that.

You can play that little game. Funny how know you want to use his injury as an excuse but we can't. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Child please.

I will play your little game though. If he was injured then Chilly should have benched him. There is an adjustment.

You fail.

http://www.admavericks.com/wp-content/uploads/fail28.jpg
I can't fail, I wasn't the HC. He failed.

Seriously though, you are trying to tell me that a busted ankle didn't limit what he could do and, in turn, limit what the staff could do.....WOW.



Actually I was the first to bring that up and the haters just claimed I was making excuses. Funny how things have turned. HAHAHAHA

Again you did fail. Chilly failed to do it. Leslie did. You think that ankle is just magically healed now. WOW!

Oh BTW you also said Leslie would not make a difference. He has.
I think I actually said something along the lines of....."I don't see how he can improve the team and the DL at the same time as he hasn't improved the DL all year".

I think I then followed that up with ......"I was wrong. The best move he made was by taking himself out of defense and letting coach Pagac fix things".....


Again, I admit when I'm wrong. Some people don't.:kiss:

On a side note, I'm still waiting for your search on the little Nooodle thing you were gonna go find that I you said I didn't say.

Please explain.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 06:53 PM
Please explain.
In other words, you looked and it wasn't what you thought I said then........LOL

marstc09
12-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Please explain.
In other words, you looked and it wasn't what you thought I said then........LOL

Wrong again. Please explain.

Marrdro
12-09-2010, 09:18 PM
Please explain.
In other words, you looked and it wasn't what you thought I said then........LOL

Wrong again. Please explain.
A hint then.....I said I cut the Noodle some slack on something, you said I didn't and was gonna go get proof. I gave you a hint on were to look cause I couldn't remember the exact thread, and off you went......Never to be heard from again on the subject.

Mr Anderson
12-10-2010, 01:36 AM
The pass protection failed when the ball is snapped at 13:43 and he's sacked at 13:38?

Wow....Back to the Future all over again!!!k

:D
The clock does tick down in football.

I mean American Football, by the way.

Each quarter is 15:00 and counts down to 00:00.

So 13:43(snap), 13:42, 13:41, 13:40, 13:39, 13:38(hit).

An OL not being able to hold a guy for 4 or 5 seconds is sad. Do you see how much time some of these QBs get on other teams?
I can only think of one that regularly gets great protection and that's Brady. And that's because in addition to having a smart, agile, deep offensive line he makes the defense pay almost every time they show blitz.

A combination of things have prevented us from doing that this season. Most of it being Childress discouraging audibles and simply lacking the receivers to make plays for much of the season which forced Favre into making risky throws and getting hit too much. Which has in turn, led to injuries and the inability to escape pressure.

Another is Favre's lack of brain-body connection, brought on from those hits. His brain wants to play like he's 25, but he can't move like he used to and it's lead to a lot of the hits he's taken. Like I said in an earlier post, it's in part his responsibility to protect himself. Even if the line is playing horrible (which they're really not I think they're having a solid year) Favre has to realize that and know that he's probably not going to have time to throw downfield after 4-5 seconds, especially when an athletic defense is bringing more than 4 pass rushers.

A defensive lineman has failed on his play if he doesn't get off of his block and to the QB in 3 seconds he's failing.

For the offensive lineman, not being able to see what you're protecting makes it really tough. Defensive lineman are free from being held, so they can move anywhere but upfield unencumbered. The o-line has an advantage by knowing the snap count, but after that, the defensive lineman has a huge advantage- Sight and use of the hands for grasping. Rolling a QB out gives them an opportunity to move laterally and the offensive lineman really can't do anything about it since he's not supposed to move downfield and you don't fire out in pass protection. In theory a rollout buys time, but it doesn't when the D-line reads it quickly. It's an interesting concept really. On a rollout you automatically need an extra second or two, but on ordinary dropbacks a QB is supposed to get rid of the ball after 3 seconds. If you see a QB get all kinds of time it means the defense is doing as good of a job covering receivers as the offensive line is doing protecting the QB.

There's no doubt that blame can go both ways on a lot of sacks, but this time Favre held the ball for too long. He has to save the hero mentality for when we're down in the 4th quarter.

Mr Anderson
12-10-2010, 01:40 AM
See he will interpret that as me saying. "I'm going to rob a bank today and I eat boogers." So I have nothing to worry about. Fortunately for me, I only wrote it once or I could be in some real financial trouble!

Edit: And for those of you who can understand what I write in this post, that is obviously not my real account number or pin, it is just a series of random numbers.
Holy crap. I can't stop laughing. Honestly, I knew Mr. A knew football, however, I never saw the comedian in him.

Anyway, Mr. A, thanks. I was having a shitty start to my day and you made it all seem OK with those last few post.

Damn I love PPO.
I can bring out a laugh or two from time to time. If I posted more you'd probably see more of it, but I kind of pick my shots so I don't end up debating the same point 20 times per day.

Infidel
12-10-2010, 02:17 AM
I hope you know enough not to quit your day job.