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SharperImage
11-22-2010, 12:47 PM
its old, its unaffective, and it doesn't fit our future QB Tjack.

I think Tjack is more of a Vick-out the shotgun... Run n Gun, Marty Ball guy.

This SHOULD be a big play offense with Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian. We got 3 fucking deepthreats and Shaincoe.

Then the Beast from the middle east, Adrian Peterson -_-.

The Tampa 2 is also inaffective. We need to go get a lockdown corner, and run the blitzburg Defense. You see when Greenbay started blitzing, their defense became great. Our Blitzing schemes suck ass.

but i know the Tampa 2 might not go, butt please get rid of the WCO.

Zeus
11-22-2010, 12:52 PM
SharperImage wrote:

its old, its unaffective, and it doesn't fit our future QB Tjack.

I think Tjack is more of a Vick-out the shotgun... Run n Gun, Marty Ball guy.

This SHOULD be a big play offense with Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian. We got 3 fucking deepthreats and Shaincoe.

Then the Beast from the middle east, Adrian Peterson -_-.

The Tampa 2 is also inaffective. We need to go get a lockdown corner, and run the blitzburg Defense. You see when Greenbay started blitzing, their defense became great. Our Blitzing schemes suck ass.

but i know the Tampa 2 might not go, butt please get rid of the WCO.

Considering how much Favre (who will start on Sunday, you can be sure of that) talks about loving the WCO and how he could teach it, I doubt you'll see any change.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
11-22-2010, 12:53 PM
This year, no. Next year? Maybe.

I'm a fan of ditching the T2 before the WCO.

however, you comparason to GB doesn't really work. the 3-4 D Really is all about blizing. Blitzing a guy, so the OL doesn't know who/how to pick him up, and hopefully find a hole. That's the whole point of it.

Marrdro
11-22-2010, 12:56 PM
I think we could shift out of the WCO pretty quickly, but changing the defensive scheme is gonna take aleast 2 years if you elect to use the draft.

Besides, our offense is pretty close to what the new offenses are going to look like if you think that the new trend is smaller/faster like the Pats are now running.

SharperImage
11-22-2010, 01:48 PM
We need a New OC and DC. Hopefully Fraizer won't try to coach the defense himself -_- Wade Phillips already made that mistake.

Draft needs

OL/S/LOLB/FB/Fast/elusive 3rd down Running back! lol


Free Agency needs

QB/CB/S/OC/DC/

Can anyone tell me our future opponents for 2011

I hope we can get Marty ball for an OC, how beautiful wud that be.

Zeus
11-22-2010, 01:54 PM
SharperImage wrote:

Can anyone tell me our future opponents for 2011

I hope we can get Marty ball for an OC, how beautiful wud that be.

I can tell you 14 of the 16 opponents for next year.

Packer (x2), Bears (x2), Lions (x2)
NFC South - @Carolina, @Atlanta, NO and Tampa Bay
AFC West - @SD, @Oakland, KC & Denver

Remaining 2 opponents will be determined based upon the Vikings' division finish. Given today's standings, (Vikings finish 3rd in NFC North) that would be the Redskins and 49ers. Not sure how the determine which one of those 2 games is a road game.

=Z=

SharperImage
11-22-2010, 01:58 PM
seems like a decent schedule.. a very 11-5 schedule

Minniman
11-22-2010, 02:03 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Walsh style WCO if run correctly and with the right personnel. The Vikings did not run a Walsh style WCO, in my opinion.

The Packers just beat the Vikings 31-3 with the WCO.

12purplepride28
11-22-2010, 02:04 PM
SharperImage wrote:

our future QB Tjack.


stopped reading after this joke of a line

kjdaddy
11-22-2010, 04:35 PM
Help me guys....

WCO = west coast offense.

KAO = ???

Purple Floyd
11-22-2010, 05:06 PM
I have said for a few years that an offense like pittsburghs would be perfect for our personnel.I would even like to see t.j in that type of system.I wonder if the steelers have a f.o type that we could tap to be our new g.m

midgensa
11-22-2010, 06:07 PM
People can say it all they want ... but we simply do not have the personnel for a 3-4 defense. Not even close. Our DEs and DTs are not built for it at all.

i_bleed_purple
11-22-2010, 07:56 PM
kjdaddy wrote:

Help me guys....

WCO = west coast offense.

KAO = ???

KAO = Kick Ass Offense, it's what Chilly said the new offense would be.

SharperImage
11-22-2010, 09:18 PM
We need a Deep Ball, Marty ball offense. Champ Bailey is A free agent next year, we cud use him.

ILLvike
11-22-2010, 09:51 PM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

kjdaddy wrote:

Help me guys....

WCO = west coast offense.

KAO = ???

KAO = KickKrappy Ass Offense, it's what Chilly said the new offense would be actually gave us.

fixed it :P

ILLvike
11-22-2010, 09:53 PM
SharperImage wrote:

We need a Deep Ball, Marty ball offense..

Yep, you said that already... how do you reckon we get there?

kjdaddy
11-24-2010, 09:04 AM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

kjdaddy wrote:

Help me guys....

WCO = west coast offense.

KAO = ???

KAO = Kick Ass Offense, it's what Chilly said the new offense would be.

Got it. Thanks.

I would be good with an offense like that!

Minniman
11-24-2010, 04:30 PM
When it comes down to it, Childress's looked like he would rather use trick plays than high percentage plays. Although I believe he understood the X's and O's, I do not believe he really understood how to run the WCO and what made the WCO work.

Childress ran neither the Bill Walsh style short to space WCO nor the Sid Gillman stretch WCO. Childress ran a sort of power run/WCO short pass hybrid that encouraged defenses to stack the box and attack with the run blitz.

With all the talk about running Peterson and throwing deep, one loses focus on what moves the ball in the NFL, and that is the mid-distance pass. Teams that have a high percentage of passes completed along with a high YPA win the most as long as they do not give the ball away. The running game and the deep pass feed of the mid-distance pass.

In the WCO there are runs and there are passes, but short passes may take the place of runs and balance out that way. The three yard passes that the Vikings call so often are really runs in the WCO balance sheet. Given that, the Vikings under Childress did an extremely poor job of passing, because the deep and mid-passes were neglected on anything but third down, and even then, the routes were often short of the chains. It is so frustrating to see a seven yard crossing route when the Vikings need ten yards or a ten yard route into double coverage when the Vikings need 13. If the Vikings only needed three, then the run was often the play called - maybe because Childress didn't have enough one yard passes in his playbook.

I have to say that the Vikings under Childress passed INTO the endzone from inside the redzone less often than any other team I have watched in the NFL over the last 35 years. Perhaps the statistics will not back that, but first and goal from the nine yard line meant a field goal far too often, because the endzone was not even used as a part of the playing field for the primary receiving targets.

While I am on that, what must receivers think when so many first and goal plays were designed with Tahi as the primary receiver? What receiver would want to play for a coach that uses receivers as nothing more than down-field blockers and the fullback as the primary receiver from the I formation.

Certainly, the WCO uses the fullback as a receiver, but it does so up and down the field and often from the split formation. The ball is spread around, and routes are used to clear other routes and create mismatches. I did not see much of that or not enough of it.

The joke is that the Vikings KAO offense was called run, run, pass short of the sticks. It certainly was not always called that way, but it did not earn that reputation for some unknown reason. Counting short passes like the flat and flair passes to receivers as runs, then the run, run, short of sticks pass combo was called far too often.

How did Childress believe a flat pass was going to stretch the field or pull defenders out of the box? If anything, it brought defenders in. How did he believe that using a jumbo formation would give Peterson more space to run at the goal line? How did Childress believe that letting the tight end go or having the back flair out would allow Brett Favre to drop back and wait for a deep route to unfold? I know it is a cliche', but your guess is as good as mine.