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Culpepper_4717
11-12-2010, 11:12 PM
This was on twitter today.

JuddZulgad: NFL approval would be necessary for @GLew17 and @B_Twice (No. 87) to really switch uniform numbers


We changed our numbers for the rest of the year check media guide RT @Cmac222: Hey @GLew17, why did you and @B_Twice switch numbers today?

Does anyone have any idea why they would switch numbers?.

Purple Floyd
11-13-2010, 08:17 AM
Hopefully it works.

PurpleTide
11-13-2010, 09:56 AM
Maybe B square'd and Lewis have some new mojo goin as we embark on the second half of the season. We need all the magic we can to get something going. If swapping numbers starts a winning streak I'm all for it.

vikinggreg
11-13-2010, 10:48 AM
Culpepper_4717 wrote:

This was on twitter today.

JuddZulgad: NFL approval would be necessary for @GLew17 and @B_Twice (No. 87) to really switch uniform numbers


We changed our numbers for the rest of the year check media guide RT @Cmac222: Hey @GLew17, why did you and @B_Twice switch numbers today?

Does anyone have any idea why they would switch numbers?.

Berrian is trying to get Lewis to pay the shoe fine from last weekend ;)

AngloVike
11-13-2010, 03:04 PM
Culpepper_4717 wrote:
Does anyone have any idea why they would switch numbers?.[/quote]

easy that way when Berrian drops the ball then people will assume it's Lewis and lay the blame on him :laugh:

Culpepper_4717
11-14-2010, 01:54 PM
Lewis is still wearing 17.

PurpleGator
11-14-2010, 02:48 PM
Does it matter? They both stink. Its like Dumb and Dumber. OK Childress, you know the rules, no humping, no licking, no sniffing hineys

jargomcfargo
11-15-2010, 06:43 PM
Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.

Marrdro
11-17-2010, 11:55 AM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

Mr Anderson
11-17-2010, 11:59 AM
Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.
Berrian is being paid like a star, that's the problem.

And the Browns marginal players work because they a competent coaching staff.

Marrdro
11-17-2010, 12:06 PM
Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.
Berrian is being paid like a star, that's the problem.

And the Browns marginal players work because they a competent coaching staff.
I hear ya on BB and agree.

On the Browns players....Not so sure I agree. Again, those cats are putting out cause they need to. Our spoiled little brats know they will get a deal next year even if they sit out.

Hell, look at what Dnabb got from the Deadskins. Only a crazy man/women would try to convince me that guys like Rice, Berrian etc won't have a job getting big bucks someplace next year if the game is still going on.

In the end, it doesn't matter who thier coach is, IMHO. But rather, who thier agent is and if thier agent is telling them they need to play or if they don't need to play.

My guess, looking around the league, there is alot of agents telling players not to play.

slavinator
11-17-2010, 12:24 PM
They should switch contracts too!

Mr Anderson
11-17-2010, 01:18 PM
Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.

Mr Anderson
11-17-2010, 01:18 PM
Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.

Marrdro
11-17-2010, 01:29 PM
Mr Anderson wrote:

Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.
You know I can't help it so forgive me my friend.........

I wonder how many yards PatsRandy would have had if he played on every down? :P

Mr Anderson
11-17-2010, 01:39 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.
You know I can't help it so forgive me my friend.........

I wonder how many yards PatsRandy would have had if he played on every down? :P
I wonder the same thing. And I realize how much more pathetic that makes Berrian and Lewis look.

Also, regarding Moss' effort, I read an interview of Jason Sehorn recently. Not the best player ever, but he was decent for a while.

You think if any other player jogged as much as Moss on the field they’d get cut on the spot?

If you watch wide receivers, and as a corner I can tell you, when they know they’re not the option or if it’s a running play away from them a lot of times they don’t come off the ball the same way; they can’t. They can’t explode and run up the field to try and block you every play because they might come back to the huddle and the next play is a go route. They want to be fresh. As to the mentality of the receiver position, for the most part they play like that. You’ll find some guys that can go all the time but for the more elite ones they have to conserve so when they’re called upon they can explode and go get the ball.
http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/2010/11/10/oob-interview-jason-sehorn-on-kick-returning-mike-shanahan-and-jogging-with-randy-moss/

Marrdro
11-17-2010, 01:43 PM
Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.
You know I can't help it so forgive me my friend.........

I wonder how many yards PatsRandy would have had if he played on every down? :P
I wonder the same thing. And I realize how much more pathetic that makes Berrian and Lewis look.

Also, regarding Moss' effort, I read an interview of Jason Sehorn recently. Not the best player ever, but he was decent for a while.

You think if any other player jogged as much as Moss on the field they’d get cut on the spot?

If you watch wide receivers, and as a corner I can tell you, when they know they’re not the option or if it’s a running play away from them a lot of times they don’t come off the ball the same way; they can’t. They can’t explode and run up the field to try and block you every play because they might come back to the huddle and the next play is a go route. They want to be fresh. As to the mentality of the receiver position, for the most part they play like that. You’ll find some guys that can go all the time but for the more elite ones they have to conserve so when they’re called upon they can explode and go get the ball.
http://outofbounds.nbcsports.com/2010/11/10/oob-interview-jason-sehorn-on-kick-returning-mike-shanahan-and-jogging-with-randy-moss/
Excellent article/point.

Look, I know that skilled players take plays off, even when they are on the field. Thats why most of those positions have a rotation.

Problem for me is that he does it more times than not.

Again, I was overjoyed when we got him this time. For me to now consider him with the likes of Cris Carter (actually have a higher opinion of CC that Randy), should speak volumes to how let disappointed I am with his effort.

Told you before and I will probably tell you again, I honestly believe he mailed it in the whole game cause he wanted to be a Pat more than he wanted to be a Viking. (Sad, crying emoticon)

jargomcfargo
11-17-2010, 07:03 PM
Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.

soonerbornNbred
11-17-2010, 09:15 PM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.

So does that mean next year we get to see AD run for a team that can actually run block

Purple Floyd
11-17-2010, 09:15 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.
You know I can't help it so forgive me my friend.........

I wonder how many yards PatsRandy would have had if he played on every down? :P

The answer- More than anyone else on the team including harvin. Too bad the coach is a dumbass who can't figure out how to use the talent.

If he was still here, how many reverse passes would we have tried on the opening play of the game by now?

Purple Floyd
11-17-2010, 09:17 PM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.

Not if you still have the three stooges running the program.

Holzberg
11-18-2010, 08:19 AM
I don't understand why the NFL would allow them to change numbers when they didn't allow OchoCinco to change his name
in the middle of the season. From what I remember, he would of had to pay Reebok the cost of the remaining merchandise
they had with his name on it which ended up being a lot of money so he waited for the next season.

Woudln't BB and GL have to do the same?

or is it because they both suck and no one has their jerseys anyway?

Zeus
11-18-2010, 09:21 AM
Holzberg wrote:

I don't understand why the NFL would allow them to change numbers when they didn't allow OchoCinco to change his name
in the middle of the season. From what I remember, he would of had to pay Reebok the cost of the remaining merchandise
they had with his name on it which ended up being a lot of money so he waited for the next season.

Woudln't BB and GL have to do the same?

or is it because they both suck and no one has their jerseys anyway?

Can you find a 2010 Bernard Berrian or Greg Lewis jersey for sale out there?

=Z=

AngloVike
11-18-2010, 09:36 AM
Holzberg wrote:

I don't understand why the NFL would allow them to change numbers when they didn't allow OchoCinco to change his name
in the middle of the season. From what I remember, he would of had to pay Reebok the cost of the remaining merchandise
they had with his name on it which ended up being a lot of money so he waited for the next season.

Woudln't BB and GL have to do the same?

or is it because they both suck and no one has their jerseys anyway?

and give that man a coconut for answering his own question ..lol

Mr Anderson
11-18-2010, 05:55 PM
AngloVike wrote:

Holzberg wrote:

I don't understand why the NFL would allow them to change numbers when they didn't allow OchoCinco to change his name
in the middle of the season. From what I remember, he would of had to pay Reebok the cost of the remaining merchandise
they had with his name on it which ended up being a lot of money so he waited for the next season.

Woudln't BB and GL have to do the same?

or is it because they both suck and no one has their jerseys anyway?

and give that man a coconut for answering his own question ..lol
Anglo, I love the Stig avatar.

Marrdro
11-19-2010, 09:33 AM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.
I think you and I are saying the same thing. Just in a different manner my friend.

Marrdro
11-19-2010, 09:45 AM
Purple Floyd wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Wanna hear something funny about these two? Well I'm not sure if it's funny or sad, anyway - These two guys who have been with our team for a couple years now? This season in 8 games Berrian has 176 yards, in 9 games Greg Lewis has 140.

In his first and only 4 games with us, Moss had 174, just as many as Berrian, more than Lewis or any other receiver on our roster besides Harvin.

Maybe after they switch numbers they should just quit. They have half as many receptions as our RB who is allegedly a sub-par receiver. Big play Berrian? 9.8 yards per reception.
You know I can't help it so forgive me my friend.........

I wonder how many yards PatsRandy would have had if he played on every down? :P

The answer- More than anyone else on the team including harvin. Too bad the coach is a dumbass who can't figure out how to use the talent.

Is your point of discussion that the coaches didn't use the talent, in this case PatsRandy wrong?

Comeon, they were using him the same way the Pats were using and how the Titans are now using him and thats as a decoy to pull two defenders deep as he runs and 8 and a 9 route. Thats what got him all pissy with both of the staffs.

Heck, if nothing else, the Vikings staff tried to get him to run something other than an 8 and 9 route in the first couple of games and he actually was part of the offense. Problem is, PatsRandy doesn't like to run in traffic like that and quit doing it.


If he was still here, how many reverse passes would we have tried on the opening play of the game by now?
Not sure what your point is here. A reverse has nothing to do with a pass. But if your trying to say that our staff doesn't run reverses is kindof out there.

I bet if we were to look at how teams used gimmick plays like reverses, we would find that the Vikes staff does about as many as the rest of the teams.

Mr Anderson
11-19-2010, 09:58 AM
Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.
I think you and I are saying the same thing. Just in a different manner my friend.
Before this year, no one would say we overpaid for Hutchinson, Allen, or Favre.

Three players in bold are former Eagles, I can't really attribute that coincidence to lack of available funds.

In the past, haven't we been the team shockingly under the salary cap? Even in 2009 we were in the top half of the league in cap space.

There is no cap now, so I'm unsure how paying our stars with big contracts prevents us from signing superior non-stars.


As far as the Patriots comparison goes, very, very few teams have in place the luxury that the Patriots do. A hall of fame QB with a hall of fame coach on the sideline. Those two guys will make any players around them work. It's clear why - they pay to protect said HoF QB. The other team with this in place? The Colts. Peyton Manning is the coach and the player, he's ridiculous.


When we get a combination like Brady+Belichick or a Peyton Manning type god amongst men, maybe then we will be able to plug in role players and mediocre talents, but until then we need guys who are going to win their individual matchup more times than not, not guys who rely on a QB to put the ball where only they can catch it, no matter how well they're covered.

And we'd better be ready to pay our stars this off-season and next from the looks of it.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractsmin.php

Marrdro
11-19-2010, 10:04 AM
Mr Anderson wrote:


......snip.......

And we'd better be ready to pay our stars this off-season and next from the looks of it.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractsmin.php

Top shelf my friend. Top shelf indeed.......

By the way, I have the link bookmarked.......

Scary isn't it, especially if you think about those names with the idea that the 2011 players, that the staff intends to retain, should have already been resigned as well as a predominance of the 2012 players.

Again, most staffs like to resign guys a year early. Saves some money, shows the players you want them there, and shows the other players that good play will be rewarded.

tastywaves
11-19-2010, 11:01 AM
Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.
I think you and I are saying the same thing. Just in a different manner my friend.
Before this year, no one would say we overpaid for Hutchinson, Allen, or Favre.

Three players in bold are former Eagles, I can't really attribute that coincidence to lack of available funds.

In the past, haven't we been the team shockingly under the salary cap? Even in 2009 we were in the top half of the league in cap space.

There is no cap now, so I'm unsure how paying our stars with big contracts prevents us from signing superior non-stars.


As far as the Patriots comparison goes, very, very few teams have in place the luxury that the Patriots do. A hall of fame QB with a hall of fame coach on the sideline. Those two guys will make any players around them work. It's clear why - they pay to protect said HoF QB. The other team with this in place? The Colts. Peyton Manning is the coach and the player, he's ridiculous.


When we get a combination like Brady+Belichick or a Peyton Manning type god amongst men, maybe then we will be able to plug in role players and mediocre talents, but until then we need guys who are going to win their individual matchup more times than not, not guys who rely on a QB to put the ball where only they can catch it, no matter how well they're covered.

And we'd better be ready to pay our stars this off-season and next from the looks of it.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractsmin.php

Nice trail of discussion here and highlights the true struggle every year for most NFL teams. Very hard to have repeated success in today's NFL, unless you are the Pats or Colts.

Marrdro
11-19-2010, 11:12 AM
tastywaves wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

jargomcfargo wrote:

Who the hell would notice?
Neither guy will be on the team next year.
And this gives me the opportunity to rant about why this year's team is so different from last years.

There are too many marginal NFL players starting for the Vikings this year.
And there are a number of veterans who once were good, but are now just collecting paychecks.
Good point doc. Problem is, all teams are loaded with "marginal" players, sprinkled with a few stars.

If the stars live up to thier end, the marginal players live up to thier end, and the team plays like a team, its never noticed.

Kindof funny when you think about it. I have been watching a bit of the Browns this year. Spend more time trying to figure out who thier "Marginal" players who are making plays than I do actually watching them play.

In the end, no team can be comprised of just stars. Even Jerry Jones can't afford that team.

OK, let me just clear this up a little bit.

Not sure how you are looking at it, but my opinion is, the quality of your marginal or back up players is what often times makes your team. You never win if you aren't a team.

The quality of your 'marginal' or backup players is directly related to what you pay your stars.And that is evident in how our special teams play.

For example, the guy you call Bryzcheapski was just that under the McCombs years.McCombs wouldn't let him spend any money.
But Zygi has opened up the checkbook. Since then he has grossly overpaid Hutchinson,McKinnie,Berrian,Allen,and Favre.
Who among them are earning their paycheck this year?

Because of that you end up with players like Tahi,Asher Allen,Shepherd,Farwell,Lewis,Baskett,Williams, Johnson and just about most of the special teams players in a non-skilled position.
Upgrade the quality of these players by not overpaying your stars, and you may end up with a Patriots like organization.

Let this year be a lesson to the Vikings organization.
Wake the frig up and change coarse.
I think you and I are saying the same thing. Just in a different manner my friend.
Before this year, no one would say we overpaid for Hutchinson, Allen, or Favre.

Three players in bold are former Eagles, I can't really attribute that coincidence to lack of available funds.

In the past, haven't we been the team shockingly under the salary cap? Even in 2009 we were in the top half of the league in cap space.

There is no cap now, so I'm unsure how paying our stars with big contracts prevents us from signing superior non-stars.


As far as the Patriots comparison goes, very, very few teams have in place the luxury that the Patriots do. A hall of fame QB with a hall of fame coach on the sideline. Those two guys will make any players around them work. It's clear why - they pay to protect said HoF QB. The other team with this in place? The Colts. Peyton Manning is the coach and the player, he's ridiculous.


When we get a combination like Brady+Belichick or a Peyton Manning type god amongst men, maybe then we will be able to plug in role players and mediocre talents, but until then we need guys who are going to win their individual matchup more times than not, not guys who rely on a QB to put the ball where only they can catch it, no matter how well they're covered.

And we'd better be ready to pay our stars this off-season and next from the looks of it.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractsmin.php

Nice trail of discussion here and highlights the true struggle every year for most NFL teams. Very hard to have repeated success in today's NFL, unless you are the Pats or Colts.
Love the last comment/sentence.

For me, those two teams are successful cause they have stability not only at the HCing position but in the FO as well.

Don't get me wrong, both organizations have seen turnover, but they have replaced from within in almost every instance and plugged a guy into the spot just vacated by the guy they promoted.

Additionally, they do the same on the field. Let the big name go, move a guy up who has been in the backup role and if, BIG IF, the guy on the bench can't do it, then they go out and get a Vet.

Zeus
11-19-2010, 02:32 PM
What does any of this have to do with Berrian and Lewis changing numbers?

=Z=

tastywaves
11-19-2010, 03:51 PM
Zeus wrote:

What does any of this have to do with Berrian and Lewis changing numbers?

=Z=

TOPIC
TONIC
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TUNIS
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DUNES
DINES
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FIRE CHILDRESS


Blame it on doc, he started it.

Minniman
11-21-2010, 11:45 PM
Zeus wrote:

What does any of this have to do with Berrian and Lewis changing numbers?

Not sure, but I doubt either will have a Vikings number the next season the NFL plays.