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12purplepride28
03-06-2010, 11:55 PM
I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

Minniman
03-07-2010, 01:30 AM
12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

If Favre returns, the Vikings will contend, but there was a lot going for the Vikings last season that will not in 2010. It was a perfect storm of players, schedule, and timing.

Like it was after the 1998 season, that storm may not blow again for another decade or more.

Marrdro
03-07-2010, 07:37 AM
The first "The Sky is Falling" post.

Relax my friend. The Bores and Lions have made some pretty solid moves to shore up team weaknesses and will be better this year, but they are not in the same state that the Vikes are.

Lets not forget, this team go to the NFC Championship game and was 1 or 2 turnovers away from getting to the Superbowl. The Front Office Pukes have continually proved that they have not only the brains, but the scouting staff and Ownership support to fix holes when we have them via FA, not to mention, a damn respectable draft record when it comes to adding depth and future stars/starters if one of the Vets goes down.

In the end, put your old regime concerns away. The days of "Win Now" are gone. This team will continue to get better each and every year, just as it has since the new regime took over.

If anyone has to be concerned, it should be the teams that have to face this division as it appears its a all out effort by every organization to return the Black and Blue back to the days when it was the best in the league.

I for one can't wait to see some damn good games with our division rivals....Kindof a "The way it used to be" kindof feeling. ;)

Marrdro
03-07-2010, 07:41 AM
Minniman wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

If Favre returns, the Vikings will contend, but there was a lot going for the Vikings last season that will not in 2010. It was a perfect storm of players, schedule, and timing.

Like it was after the 1998 season, that storm may not blow again for another decade or more.
Like I said in my previous post, ....... I don't cotton to the "Win Now" mentality anymore. That is something that was associated to a regime that couldn't draft and really sucked at fielding a team via FA.

This is a new regime. They have done nothing but prove that they will continue to add talent through the draft and when necessary, add the right mix of FA to make the team competitive when/if they miss on the draft.

I have the feeling that we will see the "Perfect Storm" more years than not under this regime.

NodakPaul
03-07-2010, 08:29 AM
12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

We haven't gotten worse though. Yes, we lost Chester Taylor, but his role was replaceable and there are several possibilities in FA and the draft. Other than that our team is pretty much the same.

Did the Lions get better? Sure. So they are a 4-12 team instead of a 2-14 team now. Whoopie. Same for the Bears. The Pack - not sure how they have gotten better, but they did prove to be a decent team last year. A decent team who we beat twice.

The fact is we aren't going to see a lot of FA moves this year. First because of the final eight rule, and second (and more importantly) because we have a very complete team - 95% of which is returning in 2010.

I'm not worried. I'm excited.

12purplepride28
03-07-2010, 09:51 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

We haven't gotten worse though. Yes, we lost Chester Taylor, but his role was replaceable and there are several possibilities in FA and the draft. Other than that our team is pretty much the same.

Did the Lions get better? Sure. So they are a 4-12 team instead of a 2-14 team now. Whoopie. Same for the Bears. The Pack - not sure how they have gotten better, but they did prove to be a decent team last year. A decent team who we beat twice.

The fact is we aren't going to see a lot of FA moves this year. First because of the final eight rule, and second (and more importantly) because we have a very complete team - 95% of which is returning in 2010.

I'm not worried. I'm excited.

I'm excited too, and the packers haven't really gotten better with additions, but another year in their 3-4 will help a lot. I'm not worried about the lions, but the Bears will be a lot better. With a (probably) legitimate pass rush and Cutler in his system another year, I think they will be pretty damn good. They'll target a receiver in the draft, and Jay will have some real targets to play with.

I really hope the Vikings prove me wrong, but I'm just losing all confidence. I think its after effects of the devastation that was the NFC Championship game.

Marrdro
03-07-2010, 10:01 AM
12purplepride28 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

We haven't gotten worse though. Yes, we lost Chester Taylor, but his role was replaceable and there are several possibilities in FA and the draft. Other than that our team is pretty much the same.

Did the Lions get better? Sure. So they are a 4-12 team instead of a 2-14 team now. Whoopie. Same for the Bears. The Pack - not sure how they have gotten better, but they did prove to be a decent team last year. A decent team who we beat twice.

The fact is we aren't going to see a lot of FA moves this year. First because of the final eight rule, and second (and more importantly) because we have a very complete team - 95% of which is returning in 2010.

I'm not worried. I'm excited.

I'm excited too, and the packers haven't really gotten better with additions, but another year in their 3-4 will help a lot. I'm not worried about the lions, but the Bears will be a lot better. With a (probably) legitimate pass rush and Cutler in his system another year, I think they will be pretty damn good. They'll target a receiver in the draft, and Jay will have some real targets to play with.

I really hope the Vikings prove me wrong, but I'm just losing all confidence. I think its after effects of the devastation that was the NFC Championship game.
What have they done to cause you to loose confidence since the loss?

Made some very interesting (smart if you ask me) tenders on thier 2006 crop of FA's. Shown a willingness to shed themselves of a couple of players that don't really serve a purpose other than backup/depth.

I think the only ones devastaded by that loss was the fans my friends. Each and everyone of the players on the team last year learned what it takes to get to that level and will be better served for it.

As with Nodack. I am extremely excited to see what this team will do this year.

12purplepride28
03-07-2010, 10:07 AM
Just the fact that they choked it away, I feel like we deserve a Super Bowl but will never get one. I look into the future and all I see is despair. God I just want this season to come around.

Marrdro
03-07-2010, 10:14 AM
12purplepride28 wrote:

Just the fact that they choked it away, I feel like we deserve a Super Bowl but will never get one. I look into the future and all I see is despair. God I just want this season to come around.
Any team that chokes like that deserves nothing.

The good thing about all of it is, this team isn't very old, and keeps getting younger (minus our QB of course). The experience those cats got last year from getting that far is a good thing, not a bad thing my friend.

Next time they get the chance (this year) they won't choke because of that experience.

12purplepride28
03-07-2010, 10:28 AM
I think i'm just (pathetically) looking for reassurance. I just want something good to happen.

vikinggreg
03-07-2010, 10:30 AM
12purplepride28 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

We haven't gotten worse though. Yes, we lost Chester Taylor, but his role was replaceable and there are several possibilities in FA and the draft. Other than that our team is pretty much the same.

Did the Lions get better? Sure. So they are a 4-12 team instead of a 2-14 team now. Whoopie. Same for the Bears. The Pack - not sure how they have gotten better, but they did prove to be a decent team last year. A decent team who we beat twice.

The fact is we aren't going to see a lot of FA moves this year. First because of the final eight rule, and second (and more importantly) because we have a very complete team - 95% of which is returning in 2010.

I'm not worried. I'm excited.

I'm excited too, and the packers haven't really gotten better with additions, but another year in their 3-4 will help a lot. I'm not worried about the lions, but the Bears will be a lot better. With a (probably) legitimate pass rush and Cutler in his system another year, I think they will be pretty damn good. They'll target a receiver in the draft, and Jay will have some real targets to play with.

I really hope the Vikings prove me wrong, but I'm just losing all confidence. I think its after effects of the devastation that was the NFC Championship game.

2 things,

1-Jays system is changing with Mike Martz coming in. Martz was good with the Rams but not so hot with the Lions or niners when the teams need more work. Although Kitna and Williams had good years with Martz. Martz's system does have the QB holding on the ball longer and with line problems Cutler could get knocked around like Kitna did.

2-Draft, Bears early picks are gone, Cutler and Gaines Adams trade last year. These FA signings are their big picks.

jessejames09
03-07-2010, 11:08 AM
You're not the only one who's concerned. The sky is definitely not falling, but we need to get our asses in gear pretty soon and make a free agent acquisition.

Needs
QB- No guarantees on our starter returning, and it's time we added another project, TJ is a capable backup but to expect him to take the reigns once Favre leaves could be a bit much.

RB- Obvious hole to fill now that C-Tay is gone.

CB- AW and Griffin both finished the year off injured, and it's not like we are deep at this position, whatsoever. Hopefully Asher Allen continues to improve as well.

DT- Star-caps ruling is still up in the air. And PW is closer than ever to retirement.

OLB- Ben Leber is around 32, and our depth on the outsides kind of scares me.


I'm of the opinion that all these holes need to be addressed. And it would have to be a truly perfect storm to address them all in the first 5 rounds of the draft. I really hope we can fill even one need in FA and make the draft that much easier on ourselves.

jessejames09
03-07-2010, 11:15 AM
How could I forget my mang Artis Hicks? A huuuge gap to fill.

We could really use another offensive lineman who can fill in virtually anywhere... Especially for Big Mac's long days vs Peppers.

mountainviking
03-07-2010, 11:50 AM
A Little Luck on the Injury Front goes a long way toward post season success!! Going into the championship game, we were only down EJ on the starting level! The Aints had some injuries in their secondary toward the end of the regular season, but got healthy just in time for the playoffs as well. We have a really good team with few needs, so my biggest question is, "Can we be that lucky with injuries next year too!?"

Going into the offseason I rather assumed we'd keep most of our guys around, so we'd have very few needs, and could afford to make a big move or two to shore up a couple of weaknesses...Now that we've let Chester and Hicks walk away with more likely to follow, we have a few more needs, as depth at least, and I am beginning to think we're going to get younger depth at multiple positions by excercising our full allotment of draft picks.

Not as exciting for the immediate future, but likely a more solid team for the long term! :cheer:

KevinK
03-07-2010, 12:11 PM
Yes. Iam also worried about our team this year. I feel our peak was last year and I hope to even have the chance to make the Playoffs. But I hope Iam wrong!

MNgriff
03-07-2010, 12:25 PM
Marrdro wrote:

The first "The Sky is Falling" post.

Relax my friend. The Bores and Lions have made some pretty solid moves to shore up team weaknesses and will be better this year, but they are not in the same state that the Vikes are.

Lets not forget, this team go to the NFC Championship game and was 1 or 2 turnovers away from getting to the Superbowl. The Front Office Pukes have continually proved that they have not only the brains, but the scouting staff and Ownership support to fix holes when we have them via FA, not to mention, a damn respectable draft record when it comes to adding depth and future stars/starters if one of the Vets goes down.

In the end, put your old regime concerns away. The days of "Win Now" are gone. This team will continue to get better each and every year, just as it has since the new regime took over.

If anyone has to be concerned, it should be the teams that have to face this division as it appears its a all out effort by every organization to return the Black and Blue back to the days when it was the best in the league.

I for one can't wait to see some damn good games with our division rivals....Kindof a "The way it used to be" kindof feeling. ;)
Good stuff my friend.

Just stop and look again at our division.

Did the Pack, Lions, and Bears get significantly better offensive line? Look at who the Bears have for receivers.

The Vikings will have the ENTIRE Norris by the balls once again.

Rockmolder
03-07-2010, 12:25 PM
KevinK wrote:

Yes. Iam also worried about our team this year. I feel our peak was last year and I hope to even have the chance to make the Playoffs. But I hope Iam wrong!

I don't see how you could miss the play-offs. Maybe with a streak of injuries or something, but otherwise, you'll be in.

Favre will be back.

I do agree with that you might've peaked last year. The schedule, for one, seems to be a little harder. Favre might get hit a little more. All the NFC North teams have a schedule that is, on paper, a bit harder than last year. I can't imagine that you'll be as much indoor in the play-offs as you did last year, either. Althought clinching home field advantage could solve that.

That brings us back to the schedule, though...

Marrdro
03-08-2010, 10:14 AM
MNgriff wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

The first "The Sky is Falling" post.

Relax my friend. The Bores and Lions have made some pretty solid moves to shore up team weaknesses and will be better this year, but they are not in the same state that the Vikes are.

Lets not forget, this team go to the NFC Championship game and was 1 or 2 turnovers away from getting to the Superbowl. The Front Office Pukes have continually proved that they have not only the brains, but the scouting staff and Ownership support to fix holes when we have them via FA, not to mention, a damn respectable draft record when it comes to adding depth and future stars/starters if one of the Vets goes down.

In the end, put your old regime concerns away. The days of "Win Now" are gone. This team will continue to get better each and every year, just as it has since the new regime took over.

If anyone has to be concerned, it should be the teams that have to face this division as it appears its a all out effort by every organization to return the Black and Blue back to the days when it was the best in the league.

I for one can't wait to see some damn good games with our division rivals....Kindof a "The way it used to be" kindof feeling. ;)
Good stuff my friend.

Just stop and look again at our division.

Did the Pack, Lions, and Bears get significantly better offensive line? Look at who the Bears have for receivers.

The Vikings will have the ENTIRE Norris by the balls once again.
I hope you are correct. Look, I'm not saying that they improved enough to be a SB caliber team, but they did address needs that also exposes some of our weakness.

As to having the whole division by the balls.......I still say the PUKERS were a OL away from being a series playoff contender last year so I don't think they really need to do much.

By the way, I was saying that about week 5 or 6.

In the end, should we dominate? Yes, but I am also of the mind that division wins this year, will not be cakewalks.

Marrdro
03-08-2010, 10:16 AM
Rockmolder wrote:

KevinK wrote:

Yes. Iam also worried about our team this year. I feel our peak was last year and I hope to even have the chance to make the Playoffs. But I hope Iam wrong!

I don't see how you could miss the play-offs. Maybe with a streak of injuries or something, but otherwise, you'll be in.

Favre will be back.

I do agree with that you might've peaked last year. The schedule, for one, seems to be a little harder. Favre might get hit a little more. All the NFC North teams have a schedule that is, on paper, a bit harder than last year. I can't imagine that you'll be as much indoor in the play-offs as you did last year, either. Althought clinching home field advantage could solve that.

That brings us back to the schedule, though...
Teams that peak equate to teams that do nothing with respect to improving themselves.

This staff has proved that they will do just about anything to improve this team, so.........Saying we've peaked is kindof a non starter for me.

Almost every player on this team will have only benifited from last years advance to the NFC Championship.

Marrdro
03-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Since Free Agency began at Midnight EST Friday, there has been a flurry of activity, most notably among two of our NFC North division rivals, the Bears and the Lions. It's easy to take a look at a few signings by one team, or a loss of free agents by another, and then proclaim that one team is all of a sudden better, another team is worse, and the football world as we know it has been flipped on it's ear. Well, it's not always that simple. If we break things down a little more, I think we'll see that the Vikings aren't as bad as we think, and that the Bears and Lions still have a way to go to catch the purple...with one notable exception, of course. But to read some places on the Internet, the Vikings are worse and getting worse with each passing day. I'd like to present my rebuttal, after the jump.

Reports of the Vikings Demise Are Greatly Exaggerated (http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/3/7/1361596/reports-of-the-vikings-demise-are)

mountainviking
03-08-2010, 12:16 PM
Marrdro wrote:


Since Free Agency began at Midnight EST Friday, there has been a flurry of activity, most notably among two of our NFC North division rivals, the Bears and the Lions. It's easy to take a look at a few signings by one team, or a loss of free agents by another, and then proclaim that one team is all of a sudden better, another team is worse, and the football world as we know it has been flipped on it's ear. Well, it's not always that simple. If we break things down a little more, I think we'll see that the Vikings aren't as bad as we think, and that the Bears and Lions still have a way to go to catch the purple...with one notable exception, of course. But to read some places on the Internet, the Vikings are worse and getting worse with each passing day. I'd like to present my rebuttal, after the jump.

Reports of the Vikings Demise Are Greatly Exaggerated (http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/3/7/1361596/reports-of-the-vikings-demise-are)

Nice article Marr! He makes some good points there...on defense:


The Bears are still a year older, Tommie Harris still is injury prone and playing on a degenerative knee, Brian Urlacher is still coming back off a season ending injury, and their secondary still hasn't upgraded a unit that was 28th in touchdown passes surrendered last season.

On their rushing game/OL...


The Bears still haven't upgraded an offensive line that helped lead the Bears to the 29th ranked rushing attack, and Taylor was just okay running behind the Vikings line last year. His value was as a third down back, but if the Bears don't address their issues on the line, Taylor will be a wasted asset, much like a manners class would be on Jay Cutler.

Marrdro
03-08-2010, 12:30 PM
mountainviking wrote:

Marrdro wrote:


Since Free Agency began at Midnight EST Friday, there has been a flurry of activity, most notably among two of our NFC North division rivals, the Bears and the Lions. It's easy to take a look at a few signings by one team, or a loss of free agents by another, and then proclaim that one team is all of a sudden better, another team is worse, and the football world as we know it has been flipped on it's ear. Well, it's not always that simple. If we break things down a little more, I think we'll see that the Vikings aren't as bad as we think, and that the Bears and Lions still have a way to go to catch the purple...with one notable exception, of course. But to read some places on the Internet, the Vikings are worse and getting worse with each passing day. I'd like to present my rebuttal, after the jump.

Reports of the Vikings Demise Are Greatly Exaggerated (http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/3/7/1361596/reports-of-the-vikings-demise-are)

Nice article Marr! He makes some good points there...on defense:


The Bears are still a year older, Tommie Harris still is injury prone and playing on a degenerative knee, Brian Urlacher is still coming back off a season ending injury, and their secondary still hasn't upgraded a unit that was 28th in touchdown passes surrendered last season.

On their rushing game/OL...


The Bears still haven't upgraded an offensive line that helped lead the Bears to the 29th ranked rushing attack, and Taylor was just okay running behind the Vikings line last year. His value was as a third down back, but if the Bears don't address their issues on the line, Taylor will be a wasted asset, much like a manners class would be on Jay Cutler.
In the end, they did get better this year and they will be tougher beats, at least in the near term.

Prophet
03-08-2010, 03:25 PM
12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

Yes, it is perfectly rational to get worried in early March of the offseason. Especially before the draft and at the very beginning of free agency when the team is sitting on its hands due to finishing in the top four teams in the NFL. Especially when the team sucks ass, I mean, after all, they lost five games last year and missed the Super Bowl. Not only that, McKinnie is dry humping a 87 yr old whore in Miami as I am typing this and Tahi is looking up blocking in the Webster dictionary as the whizzinator is appealing on his denial of becoming ballboy. Fuck yeah. Be concerned, either that or bang your head into a cement wall for 30 minutes and then return and start over on your thoughts.

Marrdro
03-08-2010, 04:19 PM
Prophet wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

I just have no confidence in next year. Even if Favre comes back I feel like we've gotten worse while the bears and packers have gotten better, along with every other team in the league. I guess its because we've only lost players and not signed anyone, I think i'll feel better after the draft. But is anyone else concerned about our ability to contend seriously next year?

Yes, it is perfectly rational to get worried in early March of the offseason. Especially before the draft and at the very beginning of free agency when the team is sitting on its hands due to finishing in the top four teams in the NFL. Especially when the team sucks ass, I mean, after all, they lost five games last year and missed the Super Bowl. Not only that, McKinnie is dry humping a 87 yr old whore in Miami as I am typing this and Tahi is looking up blocking in the Webster dictionary as the whizzinator is appealing on his denial of becoming ballboy. Fuck yeah. Be concerned, either that or bang your head into a cement wall for 30 minutes and then return and start over on your thoughts.
Internet meanie......

V-Unit
03-08-2010, 05:09 PM
We certainly have some holes, but what team doesn't at this point in the year?

The important thing is that we have plenty of time to address these holes. Wilf hasn't failed us yet. He's always been somewhat aggressive.

-V-

Bleedin Purple
03-08-2010, 06:01 PM
This past season was almost too good to be true from the Favre signing to the devastating loss in OT to the Saints which I will never forget. Following this team everyday of my life really takes a toll after never achieving the real goal and all the let-downs.. I love the game and I love our team, the Vikings are a huge part of my life and I really hope we can win the Superbowl next season with Favre back for one more run.

12purplepride28
03-08-2010, 08:23 PM
Bleedin Purple wrote:

This past season was almost too good to be true....to the devastating loss in OT to the Saints which I will never forget.

How was that too good to be true?

so-cal vike
03-08-2010, 09:23 PM
No worries, the positives are on the Vikings side. The Vikings are repeat division champs, with both QB's who achieved those wins still on our roster. The core of our team, in fact, the majority of our team (and staff) is returning.

I'll put it simply, this is what we as Vikings fans have to look forward to next season...

Favre/Jackson-division winning QB's
A.P.
Rice
Harvin
Shiancoe
Allen
Williams X2

... I could name more but you get the idea.

Skol!

Marrdro
03-09-2010, 07:35 AM
The glass is half full people (http://grants-tomb.blogspot.com/2010/03/glass-is-half-full-people.html)

vike_mike
03-10-2010, 02:21 PM
I am not worried whatsoever. I believe that we have a chance to be even better than last year if we make minimal moves in the free agency market and do a terrific job on the draft. I can't believe that I am saying this but I like what the Vikings front office is doing right now. No need to spend loads of cash about on players from other teams now. Out of all the free agent WR from the 08 season and found new teams in 09, none of them made the Pro Bowl. Also, I wouldn't be counting on LT to sign with us. It could happen but I don't expect him to sign with us if he can get alot more money with another team. He will not make anywhere near what he wants to make with us though. Let's see what this rich RB draft will bring for us. Plus Albert Young is there. He is more than capable of the backup running back.

12purplepride28
03-11-2010, 09:57 AM
so-cal vike wrote:

No worries, the positives are on the Vikings side. The Vikings are repeat division champs, with both QB's who achieved those wins still on our roster. The core of our team, in fact, the majority of our team (and staff) is returning.

I'll put it simply, this is what we as Vikings fans have to look forward to next season...

Favre/Jackson-division winning QB's
A.P.
Rice
Harvin
Shiancoe
Allen
Williams X2

... I could name more but you get the idea.

Skol!

I think Williams X1 would be more appropriate. Idk if Fat Pat is something to be excited about. I'm glad he's here, but I don't think we would be so much worse off if we plugged Kennedy in it. The worst thing that would happen is the loss of the Williams Wall, Shock and A.W.W.E., and any other nick names they have.

12purplepride28
03-11-2010, 10:01 AM
vike_mike wrote:

I am not worried whatsoever. I believe that we have a chance to be even better than last year if we make minimal moves in the free agency market and do a terrific job on the draft. I can't believe that I am saying this but I like what the Vikings front office is doing right now. No need to spend loads of cash about on players from other teams now. Out of all the free agent WR from the 08 season and found new teams in 09, none of them made the Pro Bowl. Also, I wouldn't be counting on LT to sign with us. It could happen but I don't expect him to sign with us if he can get alot more money with another team. He will not make anywhere near what he wants to make with us though. Let's see what this rich RB draft will bring for us. Plus Albert Young is there. He is more than capable of the backup running back.

At this point in his career, LT is more concerned with getting a SB then money, which he has plenty of.

4Vikings2869
03-14-2010, 07:44 PM
12purplepride28 wrote:

vike_mike wrote:

I am not worried whatsoever. I believe that we have a chance to be even better than last year if we make minimal moves in the free agency market and do a terrific job on the draft. I can't believe that I am saying this but I like what the Vikings front office is doing right now. No need to spend loads of cash about on players from other teams now. Out of all the free agent WR from the 08 season and found new teams in 09, none of them made the Pro Bowl. Also, I wouldn't be counting on LT to sign with us. It could happen but I don't expect him to sign with us if he can get alot more money with another team. He will not make anywhere near what he wants to make with us though. Let's see what this rich RB draft will bring for us. Plus Albert Young is there. He is more than capable of the backup running back.

At this point in his career, LT is more concerned with getting a SB then money, which he has plenty of.

LT was obviously looking for money and more playing time and not necessarily a championship since he signed with the Jets. Ya they made it to the championship game but there offense has gotten worse and I don't see them getting back to there next year. If a Super Bowl is what he wanted the Vikings would have been the place to go.

Rockmolder
03-14-2010, 08:56 PM
4Vikings2869 wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

vike_mike wrote:

I am not worried whatsoever. I believe that we have a chance to be even better than last year if we make minimal moves in the free agency market and do a terrific job on the draft. I can't believe that I am saying this but I like what the Vikings front office is doing right now. No need to spend loads of cash about on players from other teams now. Out of all the free agent WR from the 08 season and found new teams in 09, none of them made the Pro Bowl. Also, I wouldn't be counting on LT to sign with us. It could happen but I don't expect him to sign with us if he can get alot more money with another team. He will not make anywhere near what he wants to make with us though. Let's see what this rich RB draft will bring for us. Plus Albert Young is there. He is more than capable of the backup running back.

At this point in his career, LT is more concerned with getting a SB then money, which he has plenty of.

LT was obviously looking for money and more playing time and not necessarily a championship since he signed with the Jets. Ya they made it to the championship game but there offense has gotten worse and I don't see them getting back to there next year. If a Super Bowl is what he wanted the Vikings would have been the place to go.

They still have that great O-line. They have a QB who improved bigtime towards the end of the year, getting over those rookie jitters. They have a core of young receivers who are only getting better. The only point you could make would be that off Thomas Jones leaving, but the reasoning behind that is very simple. They have Thomas Jones Jr. on their roster in Shonn Greene.

I don't see any changes that would make their defense any worse, either. They got Cromartie, who I'm not a fan of at all, who certainly is an upgrade over Lito Sheppard. They traded away Kerry Rhodes, but where starting Eric Smith from time to time, anyway, because Ryan and Rhodes couldn't get along.

With their position in the draft, they should be in a nice position to fix up that 3-4 DE position a little. Maybe even go with Cody and rotate him with Jenkins at first.

And yes, he'll get some more touches there than he would in Minnesota, and I'm sure that that factored in. Money always facors in, as well. But I don't think that this team is that far away from a SB. Not much further, if any, than the Vikings.

4Vikings2869
03-15-2010, 06:46 PM
Rockmolder wrote:

4Vikings2869 wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

vike_mike wrote:

I am not worried whatsoever. I believe that we have a chance to be even better than last year if we make minimal moves in the free agency market and do a terrific job on the draft. I can't believe that I am saying this but I like what the Vikings front office is doing right now. No need to spend loads of cash about on players from other teams now. Out of all the free agent WR from the 08 season and found new teams in 09, none of them made the Pro Bowl. Also, I wouldn't be counting on LT to sign with us. It could happen but I don't expect him to sign with us if he can get alot more money with another team. He will not make anywhere near what he wants to make with us though. Let's see what this rich RB draft will bring for us. Plus Albert Young is there. He is more than capable of the backup running back.

At this point in his career, LT is more concerned with getting a SB then money, which he has plenty of.

LT was obviously looking for money and more playing time and not necessarily a championship since he signed with the Jets. Ya they made it to the championship game but there offense has gotten worse and I don't see them getting back to there next year. If a Super Bowl is what he wanted the Vikings would have been the place to go.

They still have that great O-line. They have a QB who improved bigtime towards the end of the year, getting over those rookie jitters. They have a core of young receivers who are only getting better. The only point you could make would be that off Thomas Jones leaving, but the reasoning behind that is very simple. They have Thomas Jones Jr. on their roster in Shonn Greene.

I don't see any changes that would make their defense any worse, either. They got Cromartie, who I'm not a fan of at all, who certainly is an upgrade over Lito Sheppard. They traded away Kerry Rhodes, but where starting Eric Smith from time to time, anyway, because Ryan and Rhodes couldn't get along.

With their position in the draft, they should be in a nice position to fix up that 3-4 DE position a little. Maybe even go with Cody and rotate him with Jenkins at first.

And yes, he'll get some more touches there than he would in Minnesota, and I'm sure that that factored in. Money always facors in, as well. But I don't think that this team is that far away from a SB. Not much further, if any, than the Vikings.

The main point is that the Jets haven't necessarily gotten better and they play in the AFC. The Colts,Patriots,Chargers are still going to be the powerhouses and there are a lot more up and coming teams such as Texans, Dolphins, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos. The NFC is usually not as strong and I still see the Vikings in a much better position then the Jets when Favre comes back.

Rockmolder
03-15-2010, 07:01 PM
4Vikings2869 wrote:

Rockmolder wrote:

4Vikings2869 wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

vike_mike wrote:

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They still have that great O-line. They have a QB who improved bigtime towards the end of the year, getting over those rookie jitters. They have a core of young receivers who are only getting better. The only point you could make would be that off Thomas Jones leaving, but the reasoning behind that is very simple. They have Thomas Jones Jr. on their roster in Shonn Greene.

I don't see any changes that would make their defense any worse, either. They got Cromartie, who I'm not a fan of at all, who certainly is an upgrade over Lito Sheppard. They traded away Kerry Rhodes, but where starting Eric Smith from time to time, anyway, because Ryan and Rhodes couldn't get along.

With their position in the draft, they should be in a nice position to fix up that 3-4 DE position a little. Maybe even go with Cody and rotate him with Jenkins at first.

And yes, he'll get some more touches there than he would in Minnesota, and I'm sure that that factored in. Money always facors in, as well. But I don't think that this team is that far away from a SB. Not much further, if any, than the Vikings.

The main point is that the Jets haven't necessarily gotten better and they play in the AFC. The Colts,Patriots,Chargers are still going to be the powerhouses and there are a lot more up and coming teams such as Texans, Dolphins, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos. The NFC is usually not as strong and I still see the Vikings in a much better position then the Jets when Favre comes back.

The NFC West will send in a stinker, the way it looks now, but I don't see why the AFC would be that much harder than the NFC right now.

You could make a point for playing in the AFC West instead of the NFC North, but I see the Jets winning as much as 5 games in the division. The Bills and the Dolphins aren't as good as the Jets and the Patriots aren't the elite team they used to be (although 4 picks in the first 2 rounds could change a little). The Vikings play in the division with the up and coming Packers, the Bears who are build to win right now and the Lions.

gregair13
03-15-2010, 07:07 PM
We will be just fine as long as Favre is here.

4Vikings2869
03-15-2010, 07:33 PM
Rockmolder wrote:

4Vikings2869 wrote:

Rockmolder wrote:

4Vikings2869 wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

vike_mike wrote:

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They still have that great O-line. They have a QB who improved bigtime towards the end of the year, getting over those rookie jitters. They have a core of young receivers who are only getting better. The only point you could make would be that off Thomas Jones leaving, but the reasoning behind that is very simple. They have Thomas Jones Jr. on their roster in Shonn Greene.

I don't see any changes that would make their defense any worse, either. They got Cromartie, who I'm not a fan of at all, who certainly is an upgrade over Lito Sheppard. They traded away Kerry Rhodes, but where starting Eric Smith from time to time, anyway, because Ryan and Rhodes couldn't get along.

With their position in the draft, they should be in a nice position to fix up that 3-4 DE position a little. Maybe even go with Cody and rotate him with Jenkins at first.

And yes, he'll get some more touches there than he would in Minnesota, and I'm sure that that factored in. Money always facors in, as well. But I don't think that this team is that far away from a SB. Not much further, if any, than the Vikings.

The main point is that the Jets haven't necessarily gotten better and they play in the AFC. The Colts,Patriots,Chargers are still going to be the powerhouses and there are a lot more up and coming teams such as Texans, Dolphins, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos. The NFC is usually not as strong and I still see the Vikings in a much better position then the Jets when Favre comes back.

The NFC West will send in a stinker, the way it looks now, but I don't see why the AFC would be that much harder than the NFC right now.

You could make a point for playing in the AFC West instead of the NFC North, but I see the Jets winning as much as 5 games in the division. The Bills and the Dolphins aren't as good as the Jets and the Patriots aren't the elite team they used to be (although 4 picks in the first 2 rounds could change a little). The Vikings play in the division with the up and coming Packers, the Bears who are build to win right now and the Lions.

I'll agree there isn't a significant difference between the AFC and NFC like in years past but come playoff time would you rather be playing teams like the Cowboys, Packers, and Saints (the saints will be good but last year they just had everything going for them I look for them to be 11-5 and maybe win 1 playoff game) or teams like Colts, Chargers, and Patriots (Yes they aren't the team they were a few years ago but with Brady, Moss, Welker, and Bellicheck. There still a good team and clutch in the playoffs plus the draft picks you said) I would much rather play in the NFC during the playoffs.

i_bleed_purple
03-15-2010, 07:39 PM
I think they're pretty even. Chargers, Colts and Pats are very good, but so are the Saints, Cowboys and Packers. I'd rather play the packers, just because it would be awesome to beat them in the postseason again, but really, any one of those teams could very well go all the way next year and it wouldn't surprise me.

4Vikings2869
03-15-2010, 08:15 PM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

I think they're pretty even. Chargers, Colts and Pats are very good, but so are the Saints, Cowboys and Packers. I'd rather play the packers, just because it would be awesome to beat them in the postseason again, but really, any one of those teams could very well go all the way next year and it wouldn't surprise me.

Of course nothing would be better then crushing the pack in the playoffs next year. As far as LT goes the AFC East tends to beat each other up and I don't see a single weak team. Ya the Bills have some questions marks but they can hang with anyone in that division. NFC North will be tough as well but the Lions are 2 easy wins and the Vikes will at least split with the packers and bears. I don't know if I can say the same for the Jets. I can see them easily losing both to the Pats or the Dolphins and I can see them splitting with the Bills. Most likely they'll go 4-2 tops, or 3-3 in the division and the Vikings should be at least 4-2 but most likely 5-1 in the division.

4Vikings2869
03-15-2010, 08:18 PM
And in the Playoffs I still would rather play saints, cowboys, packers, and eagles then colts, patriots, chargers, and Ravens.

Marrdro
03-16-2010, 08:55 AM
4Vikings2869 wrote:

Rockmolder wrote:

4Vikings2869 wrote:

12purplepride28 wrote:

vike_mike wrote:

I am not worried whatsoever. I believe that we have a chance to be even better than last year if we make minimal moves in the free agency market and do a terrific job on the draft. I can't believe that I am saying this but I like what the Vikings front office is doing right now. No need to spend loads of cash about on players from other teams now. Out of all the free agent WR from the 08 season and found new teams in 09, none of them made the Pro Bowl. Also, I wouldn't be counting on LT to sign with us. It could happen but I don't expect him to sign with us if he can get alot more money with another team. He will not make anywhere near what he wants to make with us though. Let's see what this rich RB draft will bring for us. Plus Albert Young is there. He is more than capable of the backup running back.

At this point in his career, LT is more concerned with getting a SB then money, which he has plenty of.

LT was obviously looking for money and more playing time and not necessarily a championship since he signed with the Jets. Ya they made it to the championship game but there offense has gotten worse and I don't see them getting back to there next year. If a Super Bowl is what he wanted the Vikings would have been the place to go.

They still have that great O-line. They have a QB who improved bigtime towards the end of the year, getting over those rookie jitters. They have a core of young receivers who are only getting better. The only point you could make would be that off Thomas Jones leaving, but the reasoning behind that is very simple. They have Thomas Jones Jr. on their roster in Shonn Greene.

I don't see any changes that would make their defense any worse, either. They got Cromartie, who I'm not a fan of at all, who certainly is an upgrade over Lito Sheppard. They traded away Kerry Rhodes, but where starting Eric Smith from time to time, anyway, because Ryan and Rhodes couldn't get along.

With their position in the draft, they should be in a nice position to fix up that 3-4 DE position a little. Maybe even go with Cody and rotate him with Jenkins at first.

And yes, he'll get some more touches there than he would in Minnesota, and I'm sure that that factored in. Money always facors in, as well. But I don't think that this team is that far away from a SB. Not much further, if any, than the Vikings.

The main point is that the Jets haven't necessarily gotten better and they play in the AFC. The Colts,Patriots,Chargers are still going to be the powerhouses and there are a lot more up and coming teams such as Texans, Dolphins, Ravens, Bengals, and Broncos. The NFC is usually not as strong and I still see the Vikings in a much better position then the Jets when Favre comes back.
What have the Colts, Patriots and Chargers done to get better?

If I were going to quantify them I would say they got worse and the Jets got better.


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tarkenton10
03-16-2010, 10:28 AM
My take on next year is this (Given the understanding that Favre will be back):

NFC North Champs- Toss up with the Fudgepackers. They have shored up their Oline and we will probably split with them. The Cubs-Possible split depending when we go to chicago. If its late in the season and its cold I think we split with them like last year. Bottom Line I think we win the division but The Pukers will be nipping on our heels.

The #1 seed- The Saints aren't as good as their record indicated last year. I just think they were a team of destiny. They won't be as good and won't be playing at home in the playoffs. The cowgirls won't win anything with Romo, so the only team that scares me other than the Pukers are the Iggles. I thought they were the most talented team in the NFC last year. While they may not be the most talented team going into next year they will be scarey again and could go far into the playoffs. I really believe the #1seed comes down to us and the Pukers, you can't have the #1 seed without winning the division. I think they are the two best teams in the NFC next year. Again I think we will win the division, so we will get homefield advantage (Had we had it last year we would be world Champs).

So, I think we will have a similar year and the hopes of a championship. It might all come down to a pass by the noodle and this time we may be celebrating in late February!! :woohoo:

Marrdro
03-16-2010, 11:18 AM
tarkenton10 wrote:

My take on next year is this (Given the understanding that Favre will be back):

NFC North Champs- Toss up with the Fudgepackers. They have shored up their Oline and we will probably split with them. The Cubs-Possible split depending when we go to chicago. If its late in the season and its cold I think we split with them like last year. Bottom Line I think we win the division but The Pukers will be nipping on our heels.

The #1 seed- The Saints aren't as good as their record indicated last year. I just think they were a team of destiny. They won't be as good and won't be playing at home in the playoffs. The cowgirls won't win anything with Romo, so the only team that scares me other than the Pukers are the Iggles. I thought they were the most talented team in the NFC last year. While they may not be the most talented team going into next year they will be scarey again and could go far into the playoffs. I really believe the #1seed comes down to us and the Pukers, you can't have the #1 seed without winning the division. I think they are the two best teams in the NFC next year. Again I think we will win the division, so we will get homefield advantage (Had we had it last year we would be world Champs).

So, I think we will have a similar year and the hopes of a championship. It might all come down to a pass by the noodle TJ and this time we may be celebrating in late February!! :woohoo:
Fixed that last line for ya. Other than that, great post my friend. Great post indeed.

tarkenton10
03-16-2010, 11:25 AM
Marrdro wrote:

tarkenton10 wrote:

My take on next year is this (Given the understanding that Favre will be back):

NFC North Champs- Toss up with the Fudgepackers. They have shored up their Oline and we will probably split with them. The Cubs-Possible split depending when we go to chicago. If its late in the season and its cold I think we split with them like last year. Bottom Line I think we win the division but The Pukers will be nipping on our heels.

The #1 seed- The Saints aren't as good as their record indicated last year. I just think they were a team of destiny. They won't be as good and won't be playing at home in the playoffs. The cowgirls won't win anything with Romo, so the only team that scares me other than the Pukers are the Iggles. I thought they were the most talented team in the NFC last year. While they may not be the most talented team going into next year they will be scarey again and could go far into the playoffs. I really believe the #1seed comes down to us and the Pukers, you can't have the #1 seed without winning the division. I think they are the two best teams in the NFC next year. Again I think we will win the division, so we will get homefield advantage (Had we had it last year we would be world Champs).

So, I think we will have a similar year and the hopes of a championship. It might all come down to a pass by the noodle TJ noodle and this time we may be celebrating in late February!! :woohoo:
Fixed that last line for ya. Other than that, great post my friend. Great post indeed.

Thanks! I fixed yours you must have had a momentary lapse of rational thinking (just kidding)! :laugh:

Marrdro
03-16-2010, 11:59 AM
tarkenton10 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

tarkenton10 wrote:

My take on next year is this (Given the understanding that Favre will be back):

NFC North Champs- Toss up with the Fudgepackers. They have shored up their Oline and we will probably split with them. The Cubs-Possible split depending when we go to chicago. If its late in the season and its cold I think we split with them like last year. Bottom Line I think we win the division but The Pukers will be nipping on our heels.

The #1 seed- The Saints aren't as good as their record indicated last year. I just think they were a team of destiny. They won't be as good and won't be playing at home in the playoffs. The cowgirls won't win anything with Romo, so the only team that scares me other than the Pukers are the Iggles. I thought they were the most talented team in the NFC last year. While they may not be the most talented team going into next year they will be scarey again and could go far into the playoffs. I really believe the #1seed comes down to us and the Pukers, you can't have the #1 seed without winning the division. I think they are the two best teams in the NFC next year. Again I think we will win the division, so we will get homefield advantage (Had we had it last year we would be world Champs).

So, I think we will have a similar year and the hopes of a championship. It might all come down to a pass by the noodle TJ noodle infinity TJ and this time we may be celebrating in late February!! :woohoo:
Fixed that last line for ya. Other than that, great post my friend. Great post indeed.

Thanks! I fixed yours you must have had a momentary lapse of rational thinking (just kidding)! :laugh:

Well played. :woohoo: