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Marrdro
02-08-2010, 08:50 AM
Will Vikings open at New Orleans? (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/83780137.html)

ultravikingfan
02-08-2010, 08:53 AM
I hope so.

Punch them right in the face Week 1.

Prophet
02-08-2010, 08:56 AM
ultravikingfan wrote:

I hope so.

Punch them right in the face Week 1.

+1

marstc09
02-08-2010, 09:12 AM
It will feel good to open the year beating them and getting the edge for the tiebreaker.

NodakPaul
02-08-2010, 09:26 AM
I am guessing we will open there. Good. I like to start the season off taking care of old business...

Bkfldviking
02-08-2010, 09:38 AM
Retribution!!!

fanofteam
02-08-2010, 04:35 PM
Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

Prophet
02-08-2010, 04:37 PM
fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

They will have to play tough. The Pukers were swept by the Vikings this year, but, they finished the season with one less win in the regular season. Will be a great year, beginning with a reality check for the Saints in the Superdome.

fanofteam
02-08-2010, 04:59 PM
Prophet wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

They will have to play tough. The Pukers were swept by the Vikings this year, but, they finished the season with one less win in the regular season. Will be a great year, beginning with a reality check for the Saints in the Superdome.

Yea I'm sure the Saints will be devastated if they lose next year. The victory party might not even be over by then, lol

As I said, if Favre doesn't come back the Vikes will be 9-8 at best next year. No Browns, Rams, Seahawks on the schedule

The Packers will most likley be better next year while the Vikes are getting older and have question marks with Williams and Favre returning as well as possibly losing CT.

Prophet
02-08-2010, 05:07 PM
fanofteam wrote:

Prophet wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

They will have to play tough. The Pukers were swept by the Vikings this year, but, they finished the season with one less win in the regular season. Will be a great year, beginning with a reality check for the Saints in the Superdome.

Yea I'm sure the Saints will be devastated if they lose next year. The victory party might not even be over by then, lol

As I said, if Favre doesn't come back the Vikes will be 9-8 at best next year. No Browns, Rams, Seahawks on the schedule

The Packers will most likley be better next year while the Vikes are getting older and have question marks with Williams and Favre returning as well as possibly losing CT.

I'm not worried, the team is in better shape than most regarding holes, well, except for the QB slot. I am not confident about that at all....I'm hoping that the hacks learned something and there is a plan. It will be a tight race with the Pukers next year and I am glad they have a supposedly tougher schedule. It is best to have a tough schedule and get into the real season prepared and ready for battle.

NodakPaul
02-08-2010, 05:15 PM
fanofteam wrote:

Prophet wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

They will have to play tough. The Pukers were swept by the Vikings this year, but, they finished the season with one less win in the regular season. Will be a great year, beginning with a reality check for the Saints in the Superdome.

Yea I'm sure the Saints will be devastated if they lose next year. The victory party might not even be over by then, lol

As I said, if Favre doesn't come back the Vikes will be 9-8 at best next year. No Browns, Rams, Seahawks on the schedule

The Packers will most likley be better next year while the Vikes are getting older and have question marks with Williams and Favre returning as well as possibly losing CT.

Every team gets older... the Vikings overall are a fairly young team, with a few veteran exceptions (like every team). Favre coing back is certainly the most important part of the puzzle for 2010 - the FA and draft class for QB is pathetic at best this year. Losing Pat wouldn't be as big of a deal - he already sits out about half of the snaps, especially on passing downs, and Kennedy has shown that he is more than servicable. Not to mention that the draft is loaded with good DTs this year. And CT is most likely gone, but that just means that AD needs to continue to mature as a RB, as he has the past 2 years.

Outside the QB position, the Vikings are in fairly good shape. We'll see what this offseason brings, but I have a feeling we will be threepeating as NFC North Champions.

marshallvike
02-08-2010, 05:32 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Prophet wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

They will have to play tough. The Pukers were swept by the Vikings this year, but, they finished the season with one less win in the regular season. Will be a great year, beginning with a reality check for the Saints in the Superdome.

Yea I'm sure the Saints will be devastated if they lose next year. The victory party might not even be over by then, lol

As I said, if Favre doesn't come back the Vikes will be 9-8 at best next year. No Browns, Rams, Seahawks on the schedule

The Packers will most likley be better next year while the Vikes are getting older and have question marks with Williams and Favre returning as well as possibly losing CT.

Every team gets older... the Vikings overall are a fairly young team, with a few veteran exceptions (like every team). Favre coing back is certainly the most important part of the puzzle for 2010 - the FA and draft class for QB is pathetic at best this year. Losing Pat wouldn't be as big of a deal - he already sits out about half of the snaps, especially on passing downs, and Kennedy has shown that he is more than servicable. Not to mention that the draft is loaded with good DTs this year. And CT is most likely gone, but that just means that AD needs to continue to mature as a RB, as he has the past 2 years.

Outside the QB position, the Vikings are in fairly good shape. We'll see what this offseason brings, but I have a feeling we will be threepeating as NFC North Champions.

With Ced likely out to start the season and coming off an injury, along with Antoin getting another year older, Corner will be a big issue next year.

fanofteam
02-08-2010, 05:42 PM
Prophet wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Prophet wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

They will have to play tough. The Pukers were swept by the Vikings this year, but, they finished the season with one less win in the regular season. Will be a great year, beginning with a reality check for the Saints in the Superdome.

Yea I'm sure the Saints will be devastated if they lose next year. The victory party might not even be over by then, lol

As I said, if Favre doesn't come back the Vikes will be 9-8 at best next year. No Browns, Rams, Seahawks on the schedule

The Packers will most likley be better next year while the Vikes are getting older and have question marks with Williams and Favre returning as well as possibly losing CT.

I'm not worried, the team is in better shape than most regarding holes, well, except for the QB slot. I am not confident about that at all....I'm hoping that the hacks learned something and there is a plan. It will be a tight race with the Pukers next year and I am glad they have a supposedly tougher schedule. It is best to have a tough schedule and get into the real season prepared and ready for battle.


Looks to me like the Vikes have the tougher 2010 schedule as they play the same 14 game with these two being different.

GB at Atlanta San Fran at GB

MN at New orleans Arizona at MN

gregair13
02-08-2010, 05:55 PM
We get the Patriots division. 4 easy wins. 6 more from the division makes 10. Then if we do play the Aints, thats another win. 11 should be enough for the division.

fanofteam
02-08-2010, 06:07 PM
gregair13 wrote:

We get the Patriots division. 4 easy wins. 6 more from the division makes 10. Then if we do play the Aints, thats another win. 11 should be enough for the division.


That should get comical post of the DECADE, lol

But speaking of easy schedules look at the Saints in 2010, it's very similiar to the Vikes 2009 out of division/conferance

Home
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers


Away
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals

SharperImage
02-08-2010, 06:14 PM
they wudnt set the saints up like that. all the beginning games where gimmes

fanofteam
02-08-2010, 07:08 PM
SharperImage wrote:

they wudnt set the saints up like that. all the beginning games where gimmes


What do you mean ? That schedule is right off the Saints website.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Articles/2010/1/2010%20Saints%20Opponents%20Determined.aspx

marstc09
02-08-2010, 11:54 PM
fanofteam wrote:

Thursday night opener Vikes at Saints, no doubt.


Before we get ahead of ourselves with the MUCH TOUGHER 2010 schedule even if Favre does return the Vikes are going to have to improve a lot to go 12-4 again.

If Favres hangs it up and we have Tjack or Sage at QB prepare to miss the playoffs IMO

+1 8 out of 16 against playoff teams is tough even for Favre.

AngloVike
02-09-2010, 02:38 AM
That would work for me, especially if the league wants to offer us up as fodder for the TV. '99 started the season in Atlanta and beat the NFC champion Falcons. More recently started in Green Bay when they had the re-dedication party for the 'new' Lameblow and buggered that little party up.
So the idea of going to NO and messing up their little shindig works well for me :laugh: :laugh:

Marrdro
02-09-2010, 07:51 AM
Bring on the Aints I say. If we wouldn't have given them the ball back so many times (in thier house) we would have whupped a little fleur-de-lis ass in the NFC Championship game. Why the hell would anyone think that we can't repeat that performance next year, minus the execution gaffs of course......

A nice ass whuppin of the champs would set the following schedule up nicely as we make our way to our first SB victory....

Home:
Chicago - Martz will only help thier offense improve. He can't fix that aging defense. Hell, I don't think they can fix both of them in the offseason because of the ownership groups approach. WIN

Detroit - Still a year away, but I like what they are doing up there. I wouldn't be suprised to see us split with the Lions this year. WIN

Green Bay - Scary team. TJ gets the monkey off his back with his 3rd win in a row. WIN

Dallas - So sad to watch Jerry run this proud franchise into the ground as he tries to show the world he is a GM/Football man. WIN

New York Giants - Strife on the defensive side of the ball during the offseason will put this team into a position were they are trying to field a defense that can stop teams from scoring. WIN

Buffalo - Its Buffalo. WIN

Miami - Might be the first real test without Phat Pat clogging the middle. Add in how well thier QB play was towards the end of the year. Big day for Chad. LOSS

Arizona - Thier old dude retired. Thier young dude was a wasted pick. Our young Dude wins. WIN

Away:
Chicago - Win

Detroit - LOSS

Green Bay - LOSS

Philadelphia - I'm not so sure whats gonna happen with the Iggles this year. They sure have some nice pieces and parts on that roster. Going on a limb here. WIN

Washington - Official rebuilding mindset starts. This team will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Vikes won't be one of them. WIN

New England - Chiller outcoaches the master. WIN

New York Jets - Another tough call. Not sure why, maybe the running game and loss of Phat Pat equates to a bad matchup on the road. LOSS

New Orleans - Player turnover. SB hangover. We outplayed them once. Players don't choke this time. WIN

12-4/11-5 is easily within reach. Bigger question is, what will the PUKERS do.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 09:37 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Zeus
02-09-2010, 09:40 AM
marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Without Favre, the Vikings were 10-6 in 2008. So - you think they will be worse than that?

=Z=

Prophet
02-09-2010, 09:45 AM
marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 09:50 AM
Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Without Favre, the Vikings were 10-6 in 2008. So - you think they will be worse than that?

=Z=

Take a look at the schedules. Yes.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 09:52 AM
Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

Brazilian Rider
02-09-2010, 09:53 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Bring on the Aints I say. If we wouldn't have given them the ball back so many times (in thier house) we would have whupped a little fleur-de-lis ass in the NFC Championship game. Why the hell would anyone think that we can't repeat that performance next year, minus the execution gaffs of course......

A nice ass whuppin of the champs would set the following schedule up nicely as we make our way to our first SB victory....

Home:
Chicago - Martz will only help thier offense improve. He can't fix that aging defense. Hell, I don't think they can fix both of them in the offseason because of the ownership groups approach. WIN

Detroit - Still a year away, but I like what they are doing up there. I wouldn't be suprised to see us split with the Lions this year. WIN

Green Bay - Scary team. TJ gets the monkey off his back with his 3rd win in a row. WIN

Dallas - So sad to watch Jerry run this proud franchise into the ground as he tries to show the world he is a GM/Football man. WIN

New York Giants - Strife on the defensive side of the ball during the offseason will put this team into a position were they are trying to field a defense that can stop teams from scoring. WIN

Buffalo - Its Buffalo. WIN

Miami - Might be the first real test without Phat Pat clogging the middle. Add in how well thier QB play was towards the end of the year. Big day for Chad. LOSS

Arizona - Thier old dude retired. Thier young dude was a wasted pick. Our young Dude wins. WIN

Away:
Chicago - Win

Detroit - LOSS

Green Bay - LOSS

Philadelphia - I'm not so sure whats gonna happen with the Iggles this year. They sure have some nice pieces and parts on that roster. Going on a limb here. WIN

Washington - Official rebuilding mindset starts. This team will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Vikes won't be one of them. WIN

New England - Chiller outcoaches the master. WIN

New York Jets - Another tough call. Not sure why, maybe the running game and loss of Phat Pat equates to a bad matchup on the road. LOSS

New Orleans - Player turnover. SB hangover. We outplayed them once. Players don't choke this time. WIN

12-4/11-5 is easily within reach. Bigger question is, what will the PUKERS do.

I stopped reading when you said we lost to Detroit...

Actually I lied, I stopped reading when you said Chilly outcoaches Billichek.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 09:56 AM
Brazilian Rider wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

snip
Actually I lied, I stopped reading when you said Chilly outcoaches Billichek.

Lol. That is where I stopped.

Prophet
02-09-2010, 10:02 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule.

As a general rule of thumb it's 10 Ws to make the playoffs. I always look at it as how do they get into the playoffs and then play the real season. If that means 16 Ws or 9 Ws in the regular season, I don't care. If it means that they string off some Ls in the beginning of the season and get their act together later, I don't care. On pp.o there many fanatics that panic with every loss, I look at it like life, you often learn more from your failures than your successess. Bottom-line is that if given a choice, I prefer a tough schedule over a cupcake schedule. Also, just because a team is a playoff caliber team the year before does not mean they are the following year.

One thing that I do know, this team is being built solidly. This isn't the bandaid Mike Tice era. This is a team that was built to consistently compete. A big part of Favre's success this year, and he knows it, is that he came to a team that was solid and missing a viable option at QB. He would not have came out of retirement if he didn't see a solid team that had the potential of winning.

That team is still there. I would be surprised if they do not make the playoffs in 2010, regardless of whether Favre is QBing or not. I hope Favre is leading the offensive charge, would make the road to the playoffs much easier.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 10:17 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

Using a previous year's record to predict the strength of schedule for the upcoming season is flawed. Teams change. Veterans retire, new players have break out years, rookies make an impact, new coaches take the reigns, contracts will be screwy with the potential of an uncapped year, etc...

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:22 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

Zeus
02-09-2010, 10:24 AM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

V4L
02-09-2010, 10:27 AM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.


Yup pretty much

We knew coming in we had a weak schedule last year

And we ended up having that.. With a couple surprises.. But overall it's what we expected

I expect the same

Especially with us and Favre sucking outdoors

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:29 AM
Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

Prophet
02-09-2010, 10:32 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

Yeah, it's always an upgrade when you replace a seasoned veteran with a guy that was really really good at Fred's University.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:35 AM
Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

Yeah, it's always an upgrade when you replace a seasoned veteran with a guy that was really really good at Fred's University.

Other than Warner who is leaving from the 8 playoff teams we play?

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 10:35 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

That worked for the Bears, right?

Besides, Fa means that teams lose players as well as gain them.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 10:36 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

Yeah, it's always an upgrade when you replace a seasoned veteran with a guy that was really really good at Fred's University.

Other than Warner who is leaving from the 8 playoff teams we play?

Hard to say until later in the offseason.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:37 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

That worked for the Bears, right?

Besides, Fa means that teams lose players as well as gain them.

Have you looked at the FA list? Tell me, other than Warner, who is leaving that is going to have a major impact on team causing them to not be a playoff team anymore?

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:41 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

Yeah, it's always an upgrade when you replace a seasoned veteran with a guy that was really really good at Fred's University.

Other than Warner who is leaving from the 8 playoff teams we play?

Hard to say until later in the offseason.

Not really. I should have reworded that. Look at the FA list. Who could possibly be leaving that would impact the team enough to make them not a playoff team, other than Warner.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:42 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

That worked for the Bears, right?


Didn't know the Bears were a playoff team.

Prophet
02-09-2010, 10:44 AM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

That worked for the Bears, right?

Besides, Fa means that teams lose players as well as gain them.

Have you looked at the FA list? Tell me, other than Warner, who is leaving that is going to have a major impact on team causing them to not be a playoff team anymore?

Without doing much research, the Saints have issues:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4895017


...More than 50 percent of the players on the Saints' roster have contracts that expire after the Super Bowl, according to NFL Players Association records...

Too early to tell for any team, lot can happen between now and next season.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 10:51 AM
Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Zeus wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.

Gonna have to disagree. It is a tough schedule. There is no denying that.

It appears, based on the 2009 results, to be a tough schedule, you mean. NP is exactly right. One cannot say out free agency, the draft, injuries, etc. will affect how those teams play in 2010.

=Z=

Ummm FA and the draft could make those teams better not worse.

That worked for the Bears, right?

Besides, Fa means that teams lose players as well as gain them.

Have you looked at the FA list? Tell me, other than Warner, who is leaving that is going to have a major impact on team causing them to not be a playoff team anymore?

Without doing much research, the Saints have issues:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4895017


...More than 50 percent of the players on the Saints' roster have contracts that expire after the Super Bowl, according to NFL Players Association records...

Too early to tell for any team, lot can happen between now and next season.

Most of those are restricted.

V4L
02-09-2010, 10:54 AM
I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

Prophet
02-09-2010, 10:59 AM
V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

Ok. If you lose will you be offed at a pp.o tailgate by a method chosen by Del Rio?

V4L
02-09-2010, 11:09 AM
Haha okay

I'll be a sacrifice if need be

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 11:24 AM
V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

marstc09
02-09-2010, 11:35 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

V-Unit
02-09-2010, 11:42 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I don't understand the comparison. The 2009 Saints won the Super Bowl. The 1998 Vikings got upset in the conference championship.

-V-

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 12:57 PM
V-Unit wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I don't understand the comparison. The 2009 Saints won the Super Bowl. The 1998 Vikings got upset in the conference championship.

-V-

Both teams were very high scoring with opportunistic yet vulnurable defenses, for one. And second, the 1998 Vikings were considered by many to easily be the best team of the season, and one of the best of the decade. Everyone expected the 1999 Vikings to come out to the same success, based on what they saw in 1998.

Now everyone is expecting the 2010 Saints to enjoy the same success as the 2009 Saints, and I am saying that it is not even close to being a given. Brees was amazing in 2009, but average in 2008. Which one are we going to see in 2010. The Saints defense kept the team in games because of turnovers. Can they keep it up in 2010?

Assuming that the Saints are going to be one of the top 3 teams in the NFC simply because they were really good this year is a mistake. The top three NFC teams last year were New York, Carolina, and Atlanta. None of them made the playoffs this year. The year before that is was Dallas, Green Bay, and Seattle. Before that it was the Bears, Saints, and Eagles. It goes one and on, and very rarely is a team able to finish in the top three two years in a row. at least in the NFC. There seems to be considerably less parity in the AFC though.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 01:00 PM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 01:13 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 01:21 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 02:29 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

lol... because I don't think Green is better than Sean Payton, a coach who took the Saints to the NFC Championship game in his first year... I don't like Green? lol. Simple minds come to simple conclusions I guess.

I actually like Dennis Green, but IMO Payton is better.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 02:38 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

Super Bowl Win > No Super Bowl Win

It goes to Sean Payton. Sorry bud.

ejmat
02-09-2010, 03:01 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

Super Bowl Win > No Super Bowl Win

It goes to Sean Payton. Sorry bud.

I actually agree with CMac in this scenario. I can't believe my f-ing fingers just typed that. But in all seriousness he has taken his team to 2 NFCCGs and won a superbowl in a 4 year period. It's true he did lousy the other two years or maybe average. However, that first year is amazing when you think about it. The entire team was displaced because of Hurricane Katrina. They went out and signed a few free agents and drafted some darn good rookies. The chemistry was built quicker than expected except for maybe Joe Horn. I have to compliment the guy for a great job.

That doesn't mean I don't like Childress and the direction this team is heading. I like Payton's guts and aggressiveness. Childress has his flaws just like every other coach and that is where I think many people are blinded. They are over critical of Childress because of a couple of bad calls here and there in his first few years. Other than that the team is starting to shine.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 03:17 PM
ejmat wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

Super Bowl Win > No Super Bowl Win

It goes to Sean Payton. Sorry bud.

I actually agree with CMac in this scenario. I can't believe my f-ing fingers just typed that. But in all seriousness he has taken his team to 2 NFCCGs and won a superbowl in a 4 year period. It's true he did lousy the other two years or maybe average. However, that first year is amazing when you think about it. The entire team was displaced because of Hurricane Katrina. They went out and signed a few free agents and drafted some darn good rookies. The chemistry was built quicker than expected except for maybe Joe Horn. I have to compliment the guy for a great job.

That doesn't mean I don't like Childress and the direction this team is heading. I like Payton's guts and aggressiveness. Childress has his flaws just like every other coach and that is where I think many people are blinded. They are over critical of Childress because of a couple of bad calls here and there in his first few years. Other than that the team is starting to shine.

I can't f'n believe what I just read. Was sure ejmat would disagree just for the sake of doing so.

I need to sit down.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 03:27 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

lol... because I don't think Green is better than Sean Payton, a coach who took the Saints to the NFC Championship game in his first year... I don't like Green? lol. Simple minds come to simple conclusions I guess.

I actually like Dennis Green, but IMO Payton is better.

It took Childress 4 years to get to the NFC Championship game. By your definition, does that make him better than Green?

V-Unit
02-09-2010, 03:30 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

V-Unit wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I don't understand the comparison. The 2009 Saints won the Super Bowl. The 1998 Vikings got upset in the conference championship.

-V-

Both teams were very high scoring with opportunistic yet vulnurable defenses, for one. And second, the 1998 Vikings were considered by many to easily be the best team of the season, and one of the best of the decade. Everyone expected the 1999 Vikings to come out to the same success, based on what they saw in 1998.

Now everyone is expecting the 2010 Saints to enjoy the same success as the 2009 Saints, and I am saying that it is not even close to being a given. Brees was amazing in 2009, but average in 2008. Which one are we going to see in 2010. The Saints defense kept the team in games because of turnovers. Can they keep it up in 2010?

Assuming that the Saints are going to be one of the top 3 teams in the NFC simply because they were really good this year is a mistake. The top three NFC teams last year were New York, Carolina, and Atlanta. None of them made the playoffs this year. The year before that is was Dallas, Green Bay, and Seattle. Before that it was the Bears, Saints, and Eagles. It goes one and on, and very rarely is a team able to finish in the top three two years in a row. at least in the NFC. There seems to be considerably less parity in the AFC though.

Sorry Nodak, but this is a bad argument. The Saints were good enough to win the Super Bowl in 2009. The 1998 Vikings weren't.

Also, sure, playoff teams are tough to predict, but that does not change the favorites from being the favorites. If you want to predict that the Buccaneers are going to be a top 3 NFC team next year, go right on ahead, but the odds are not with you.

This is not about top 3 teams repeating. This is about teams that went to the Super Bowl. The NFC team that went to the Super Bowl in 2008 was a top 4 NFC team in 2009. The NFC team that went to the Super Bowl in 2007 was the best NFC team in 2008. C Mac's logic does hold up.

-V-

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 03:31 PM
ejmat wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

Super Bowl Win > No Super Bowl Win

It goes to Sean Payton. Sorry bud.

I actually agree with CMac in this scenario. I can't believe my f-ing fingers just typed that. But in all seriousness he has taken his team to 2 NFCCGs and won a superbowl in a 4 year period. It's true he did lousy the other two years or maybe average. However, that first year is amazing when you think about it. The entire team was displaced because of Hurricane Katrina. They went out and signed a few free agents and drafted some darn good rookies. The chemistry was built quicker than expected except for maybe Joe Horn. I have to compliment the guy for a great job.

That doesn't mean I don't like Childress and the direction this team is heading. I like Payton's guts and aggressiveness. Childress has his flaws just like every other coach and that is where I think many people are blinded. They are over critical of Childress because of a couple of bad calls here and there in his first few years. Other than that the team is starting to shine.

I actually never said that Payton was a bad coach, C Mac just inserted that for the sake of disagreeing. I did say that their overall records were pretty similar and C Mac ran with it. But like he said, simple minds jump to simple conclusions...

My point was that just because every is high on the Saints right now doesn't translate into guaranteed success in 2010. I used the 99 Vikings as an example - everyone expected them to run away with the NFC and they didn't even win the division. Now is Payton a better coach than Green? Probably. Hard to tell this early, especially since he hasn't been very consistent in his regular season records. But either way, having the Saints own the NFC in 2010 is hardly a given.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 03:44 PM
V-Unit wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V-Unit wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I don't understand the comparison. The 2009 Saints won the Super Bowl. The 1998 Vikings got upset in the conference championship.

-V-

Both teams were very high scoring with opportunistic yet vulnurable defenses, for one. And second, the 1998 Vikings were considered by many to easily be the best team of the season, and one of the best of the decade. Everyone expected the 1999 Vikings to come out to the same success, based on what they saw in 1998.

Now everyone is expecting the 2010 Saints to enjoy the same success as the 2009 Saints, and I am saying that it is not even close to being a given. Brees was amazing in 2009, but average in 2008. Which one are we going to see in 2010. The Saints defense kept the team in games because of turnovers. Can they keep it up in 2010?

Assuming that the Saints are going to be one of the top 3 teams in the NFC simply because they were really good this year is a mistake. The top three NFC teams last year were New York, Carolina, and Atlanta. None of them made the playoffs this year. The year before that is was Dallas, Green Bay, and Seattle. Before that it was the Bears, Saints, and Eagles. It goes one and on, and very rarely is a team able to finish in the top three two years in a row. at least in the NFC. There seems to be considerably less parity in the AFC though.

Sorry Nodak, but this is a bad argument. The Saints were good enough to win the Super Bowl in 2009. The 1998 Vikings weren't.

Also, sure, playoff teams are tough to predict, but that does not change the favorites from being the favorites. If you want to predict that the Buccaneers are going to be a top 3 NFC team next year, go right on ahead, but the odds are not with you.

This is not about top 3 teams repeating. This is about teams that went to the Super Bowl. The NFC team that went to the Super Bowl in 2008 was a top 4 NFC team in 2009. The NFC team that went to the Super Bowl in 2007 was the best NFC team in 2008. C Mac's logic does hold up.

-V-

Actually, this IS about the top three teams. That is what started this line of thought:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

There is enough change in the offseason that it is damn hard to predict who the playoff teams are going to be, much less the top three. If we were so convinced that the Saints are going to be so good next year, why not just award them the 2010 Lombardi trophy as well?

Does that mean that they won't be good next year? Not at all. Just saying that I am not scared of the 2010 Saints simply because the 2009 Saints (barely) beat us. And I sure as hell wouldn't bet anything that the Saints are in the playoffs next year.

Last year's Super Bowl champs didn't even make the playoffs this year. The 2007 AFC Champs didn't make the playoffs in 2008. The 2006 NFC Champs didn't make the playoffs in 2007. The 2005 Super Bowl champions didn't make the playoffs in 2006.

Teams change every year. Even teams that do not lose personnel or coaches (like the Steelers this year) change.

And I am not sure what you mean by C Mac's logic. He isn't even quoted in this post. If it is the Green-Payton thing, see my above post.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 03:57 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

ejmat wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

Super Bowl Win > No Super Bowl Win

It goes to Sean Payton. Sorry bud.

I actually agree with CMac in this scenario. I can't believe my f-ing fingers just typed that. But in all seriousness he has taken his team to 2 NFCCGs and won a superbowl in a 4 year period. It's true he did lousy the other two years or maybe average. However, that first year is amazing when you think about it. The entire team was displaced because of Hurricane Katrina. They went out and signed a few free agents and drafted some darn good rookies. The chemistry was built quicker than expected except for maybe Joe Horn. I have to compliment the guy for a great job.

That doesn't mean I don't like Childress and the direction this team is heading. I like Payton's guts and aggressiveness. Childress has his flaws just like every other coach and that is where I think many people are blinded. They are over critical of Childress because of a couple of bad calls here and there in his first few years. Other than that the team is starting to shine.

I actually never said that Payton was a bad coach, C Mac just inserted that for the sake of disagreeing. I did say that their overall records were pretty similar and C Mac ran with it. But like he said, simple minds jump to simple conclusions...

My point was that just because every is high on the Saints right now doesn't translate into guaranteed success in 2010. I used the 99 Vikings as an example - everyone expected them to run away with the NFC and they didn't even win the division. Now is Payton a better coach than Green? Probably. Hard to tell this early, especially since he hasn't been very consistent in his regular season records. But either way, having the Saints own the NFC in 2010 is hardly a given.

Um... please show me where I accused you of saying Payton was a bad coach. I don't think I did.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 04:02 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

lol... because I don't think Green is better than Sean Payton, a coach who took the Saints to the NFC Championship game in his first year... I don't like Green? lol. Simple minds come to simple conclusions I guess.

I actually like Dennis Green, but IMO Payton is better.

It took Childress 4 years to get to the NFC Championship game. By your definition, does that make him better than Green?

Green made the playoffs in his first three years and took an 8-8 team and made them 11-5 in his first year.

Childress inherited a 9-7 team and the following season they dropped to 6-10. Childress hasn't made the playoffs as many times as Green in the first 4 years of their careers... but apparently having one win makes Childress better. I guess we'll just ignore that the Vikes had Favre though. We'll give the credit to Childress.

SharperImage
02-09-2010, 04:35 PM
Why So Favre can do this again?
http://verydemotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/129097271825523112.jpg

fanofteam
02-09-2010, 04:38 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Bring on the Aints I say. If we wouldn't have given them the ball back so many times (in thier house) we would have whupped a little fleur-de-lis ass in the NFC Championship game. Why the hell would anyone think that we can't repeat that performance next year, minus the execution gaffs of course......

A nice ass whuppin of the champs would set the following schedule up nicely as we make our way to our first SB victory....

Home:
Chicago - Martz will only help thier offense improve. He can't fix that aging defense. Hell, I don't think they can fix both of them in the offseason because of the ownership groups approach. WIN

Detroit - Still a year away, but I like what they are doing up there. I wouldn't be suprised to see us split with the Lions this year. WIN

Green Bay - Scary team. TJ gets the monkey off his back with his 3rd win in a row. WIN

Dallas - So sad to watch Jerry run this proud franchise into the ground as he tries to show the world he is a GM/Football man. WIN

New York Giants - Strife on the defensive side of the ball during the offseason will put this team into a position were they are trying to field a defense that can stop teams from scoring. WIN

Buffalo - Its Buffalo. WIN

Miami - Might be the first real test without Phat Pat clogging the middle. Add in how well thier QB play was towards the end of the year. Big day for Chad. LOSS

Arizona - Thier old dude retired. Thier young dude was a wasted pick. Our young Dude wins. WIN

Away:
Chicago - Win

Detroit - LOSS

Green Bay - LOSS

Philadelphia - I'm not so sure whats gonna happen with the Iggles this year. They sure have some nice pieces and parts on that roster. Going on a limb here. WIN

Washington - Official rebuilding mindset starts. This team will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Vikes won't be one of them. WIN

New England - Chiller outcoaches the master. WIN

New York Jets - Another tough call. Not sure why, maybe the running game and loss of Phat Pat equates to a bad matchup on the road. LOSS

New Orleans - Player turnover. SB hangover. We outplayed them once. Players don't choke this time. WIN

12-4/11-5 is easily within reach. Bigger question is, what will the PUKERS do.


Now take off the purple glasses, lol

Wiining on the road in Philly, NE and the new Jets stadium will be very hard, I'm not sure but do you realize we SUCK on the road ?

The only thing I'm with you on is the Lions improving.

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 04:47 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

lol... because I don't think Green is better than Sean Payton, a coach who took the Saints to the NFC Championship game in his first year... I don't like Green? lol. Simple minds come to simple conclusions I guess.

I actually like Dennis Green, but IMO Payton is better.

It took Childress 4 years to get to the NFC Championship game. By your definition, does that make him better than Green?

Green made the playoffs in his first three years and took an 8-8 team and made them 11-5 in his first year.

Childress inherited a 9-7 team and the following season they dropped to 6-10. Childress hasn't made the playoffs as many times as Green in the first 4 years of their careers... but apparently having one win makes Childress better. I guess we'll just ignore that the Vikes had Favre though. We'll give the credit to Childress.

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 04:55 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

lol... because I don't think Green is better than Sean Payton, a coach who took the Saints to the NFC Championship game in his first year... I don't like Green? lol. Simple minds come to simple conclusions I guess.

I actually like Dennis Green, but IMO Payton is better.

It took Childress 4 years to get to the NFC Championship game. By your definition, does that make him better than Green?

Green made the playoffs in his first three years and took an 8-8 team and made them 11-5 in his first year.

Childress inherited a 9-7 team and the following season they dropped to 6-10. Childress hasn't made the playoffs as many times as Green in the first 4 years of their careers... but apparently having one win makes Childress better. I guess we'll just ignore that the Vikes had Favre though. We'll give the credit to Childress.

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

Twist?

lol... it's just an opinion dude. Still waiting for you to show me where I accused you of saying Sean Payton is a bad coach... speaking of twisting words.

But, let's check the criteria. Not sure how you can twist this:

Through first four years -

Overall Record:
Childress 36-28
Green 38-26

Playoff Appearances:
Childress 2
Green 3

NFC Championship appearances
Childress 1
Green 0

Overall Career NFC Championship Appearances
Childress 1
Green 2

It should also be mentioned that Green coached the #1 offense of all time before the Patriots of 2007.

But again, these are just facts.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 05:02 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

Ok... so who did Green have that was on Favre's level in the first four years of his tenure?

(this is also ignoring that Childress has Adrian Peterson too... lol)

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 05:13 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

Ok... so who did Green have that was on Favre's level in the first four years of his tenure?

(this is also ignoring that Childress has Adrian Peterson too... lol)

I think I am going to learn from past experience and not even bother to let you suck me into another amazingly stupid argument. Who cares if who is better between Green and Childress or Green and Payton? Nobody - you just look for every opportunity to argue.

Man, I can't believe I almost fell for that again...

Back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 05:22 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

Ok... so who did Green have that was on Favre's level in the first four years of his tenure?

(this is also ignoring that Childress has Adrian Peterson too... lol)

I think I am going to learn from past experience and not even bother to let you suck me into another amazingly stupid argument. Who cares if who is better between Green and Childress or Green and Payton? Nobody - you just look for every opportunity to argue.

Man, I can't believe I almost fell for that again...

Back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Yeah... I figured you wouldn't be able to name anyone Green had that was on Favre's level. Shocker.

And I love how you say. "you suck me into another amazingly stupid argument."

Really? Seems to me like I simply voiced my opinion and you made it into an argument... the conversation is posted below for your convenience, Nodak.

And I twist words... lol.

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:
Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

ejmat
02-09-2010, 05:33 PM
C Mac D wrote:

ejmat wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

Super Bowl Win > No Super Bowl Win

It goes to Sean Payton. Sorry bud.

I actually agree with CMac in this scenario. I can't believe my f-ing fingers just typed that. But in all seriousness he has taken his team to 2 NFCCGs and won a superbowl in a 4 year period. It's true he did lousy the other two years or maybe average. However, that first year is amazing when you think about it. The entire team was displaced because of Hurricane Katrina. They went out and signed a few free agents and drafted some darn good rookies. The chemistry was built quicker than expected except for maybe Joe Horn. I have to compliment the guy for a great job.

That doesn't mean I don't like Childress and the direction this team is heading. I like Payton's guts and aggressiveness. Childress has his flaws just like every other coach and that is where I think many people are blinded. They are over critical of Childress because of a couple of bad calls here and there in his first few years. Other than that the team is starting to shine.

I can't f'n believe what I just read. Was sure ejmat would disagree just for the sake of doing so.

I need to sit down.

lol. That's pretty funny. But for the record I don't disagree with you for the sake of doing so. Still, sit down and take a rest! :)

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 05:38 PM
C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

C Mac D
02-09-2010, 05:45 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Sigh... sure, here you go.

I'm also waiting to see where I accused you of saying Sean Payton was a bad coach.

I realize your on a quest to make me look bad today, but the only one twisting words is you... and your a grown man with kids.

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I am going to go out on a limb and say Sean Payton is a way better coach than Denny Green.

Actually their records are amazingly similar. Green, remember, only had one losing season.

Green was a decent coach. It was all the other baggage that he brought with him that made him a poor fit for Minnesota.

Sean Payton took them to the NFC Championship game his first year with the team and won a Super Bowl his fourth year.... and the Saints are one of the worst NFL teams historically.

It took Green 7 years to get to the NFC Championship game.

I'll give the nod to Sean.

News Flash - C Mac doesn't like a Coach of the Vikings... Wow...

If Sean Payton was our coach, you would have been calling for his dismissal after he went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years - and you would have attributed his rookie season to the pieces that were already there. This year you would have stuck to your guns that he is a horrible coach, and the only reason he enjoyed success is because of the QB...

So if you didn't like Green or Childress, have you ever liked a Vikings coach in your lifetime? I think we can rule out Burns and Tice. I guess you were probably alive for at least one Bud Grant year...

ConnecticutViking
02-09-2010, 06:07 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Prophet wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.

Yes, that's why they won 10 games with Frerrote at the helm and a TJack chaser.

This is a solid team, every year it becomes stronger. The QB is questionable, but, one can only assume and hope that if they go into next season with TJack as the starter that he learned something last year and another year is under his belt. If I had anything to say about it TJack wouldn't have sniffed the starter position until around this time in his career. I have HUGE clouds of doubt around TJack as starter. I do have confidence in the FO pulling something together to make the team stronger, yet again, like they have done every single season since Childress et al. have taken the reigns.

Plus, it's really a two-team division. The Packers will play tough, the Bears have Cutler and Martz running their offense LMAO, and the Lions are, well, the Lions. All they have to do is make it to the real season and play a stretch of tough games. Damn near the whole team is coming back, it's not like the Saints who have ~50% of their team not under contract right now. The Vikings will be there with a competitive team, regardless of who the offensive field general is.

Usually I would agree but we play 8 out of 16 against playoff teams. Gus/TJ did not have that tough of a schedule. BTW TJ was 2-3 that year. You can count the Lions game if you want to.

Using a previous year's record to predict the strength of schedule for the upcoming season is flawed. Teams change. Veterans retire, new players have break out years, rookies make an impact, new coaches take the reigns, contracts will be screwy with the potential of an uncapped year, etc...

We won't know for sure if it is a tough schedule or not until late in the 2010 season.
+1

fanofteam
02-09-2010, 07:43 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Well in order to recreate their success they would have to win another superbowl.

That may not happen but I believe they will be a force in 2010.

People keep talking about the Saints and how they won't be as good. If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none

NodakPaul
02-09-2010, 09:31 PM
fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Well in order to recreate their success they would have to win another superbowl.

That may not happen but I believe they will be a force in 2010.

People keep talking about the Saints and how they won't be as good. If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none

I agree with you regarding Favre. Even if he does come back (please please please please please) it would be really hard for him to have another year like this one. This was the best year of his career in many aspects of the game. Who knows though...

As far as NO - I am certainly not writing them off. Or at least I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm just not sold on them having a year anywhere near as amazing as this one. They weren't just good - they were dominant. IMHO they played above their ability, which they should be proud of. Next year, I think we will see a little bit of regression to the mean in terms of their offensive and defensive performance. I don't think their offense will score as many points, and I don't think their defense will get as many takeaways. That doesn't mean that they will be a bad team, just not as good as this year. I think the Saints are a 10-6 team in 2010.

fanofteam
02-09-2010, 10:22 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Well in order to recreate their success they would have to win another superbowl.

That may not happen but I believe they will be a force in 2010.

People keep talking about the Saints and how they won't be as good. If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none

I agree with you regarding Favre. Even if he does come back (please please please please please) it would be really hard for him to have another year like this one. This was the best year of his career in many aspects of the game. Who knows though...

As far as NO - I am certainly not writing them off. Or at least I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm just not sold on them having a year anywhere near as amazing as this one. They weren't just good - they were dominant. IMHO they played above their ability, which they should be proud of. Next year, I think we will see a little bit of regression to the mean in terms of their offensive and defensive performance. I don't think their offense will score as many points, and I don't think their defense will get as many takeaways. That doesn't mean that they will be a bad team, just not as good as this year. I think the Saints are a 10-6 team in 2010.

Have you seen the Saints 2010 schedule ? They could play TERRIBLE and win 10 games. It's similiar to the Vikes 09 schedule. Here it is in case you haven't seen it. Seattle, Cleveland, Rams, etc, why not just throw in Detroit, lol

Home
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers


Away
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals

i_bleed_purple
02-09-2010, 11:55 PM
fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Well in order to recreate their success they would have to win another superbowl.

That may not happen but I believe they will be a force in 2010.

People keep talking about the Saints and how they won't be as good. If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none

I agree with you regarding Favre. Even if he does come back (please please please please please) it would be really hard for him to have another year like this one. This was the best year of his career in many aspects of the game. Who knows though...

As far as NO - I am certainly not writing them off. Or at least I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm just not sold on them having a year anywhere near as amazing as this one. They weren't just good - they were dominant. IMHO they played above their ability, which they should be proud of. Next year, I think we will see a little bit of regression to the mean in terms of their offensive and defensive performance. I don't think their offense will score as many points, and I don't think their defense will get as many takeaways. That doesn't mean that they will be a bad team, just not as good as this year. I think the Saints are a 10-6 team in 2010.

Have you seen the Saints 2010 schedule ? They could play TERRIBLE and win 10 games. It's similiar to the Vikes 09 schedule. Here it is in case you haven't seen it. Seattle, Cleveland, Rams, etc, why not just throw in Detroit, lol

Home
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers


Away
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals

9 games that will even be close, Falcons x2, panthers x2 Vikings, Steelers, Cards, Cowboys, Ravens(both division, that can go any way)

Its not an outrageously easy schedule. Yeah, there's lots of easy games, but there are still some good teams, and some that I think will do better this year than last year, such as the Steelers, Ravens, Panthers, etc.

Midge Resurrected
02-10-2010, 12:59 AM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Well in order to recreate their success they would have to win another superbowl.

That may not happen but I believe they will be a force in 2010.

People keep talking about the Saints and how they won't be as good. If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none

I agree with you regarding Favre. Even if he does come back (please please please please please) it would be really hard for him to have another year like this one. This was the best year of his career in many aspects of the game. Who knows though...

As far as NO - I am certainly not writing them off. Or at least I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm just not sold on them having a year anywhere near as amazing as this one. They weren't just good - they were dominant. IMHO they played above their ability, which they should be proud of. Next year, I think we will see a little bit of regression to the mean in terms of their offensive and defensive performance. I don't think their offense will score as many points, and I don't think their defense will get as many takeaways. That doesn't mean that they will be a bad team, just not as good as this year. I think the Saints are a 10-6 team in 2010.

Have you seen the Saints 2010 schedule ? They could play TERRIBLE and win 10 games. It's similiar to the Vikes 09 schedule. Here it is in case you haven't seen it. Seattle, Cleveland, Rams, etc, why not just throw in Detroit, lol

Home
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers


Away
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals

9 games that will even be close, Falcons x2, panthers x2 Vikings, Steelers, Cards, Cowboys, Ravens(both division, that can go any way)

Its not an outrageously easy schedule. Yeah, there's lots of easy games, but there are still some good teams, and some that I think will do better this year than last year, such as the Steelers, Ravens, Panthers, etc.

I agree ... I think it is funny that everyone is making their schedule out as being so easy.
They will have tough home games against Minnesota and Pittsburgh and could easily be surprised at home by Atlanta and/or Carolina (or Tampa again?)
As for the road games, Baltimore, Dallas, Cincinnati and San Francisco are all tough. And of course, they play Atlanta and Carolina there too.

Sure, they will be good, and will be legitimate favorites in their division, but that schedule is not a gimmie by any stretch.

The wonderful thing about the NFL, is some games that look tough end up being gimmies and some that look like gimmies end up being pretty tough (see the Bengals and Jets this season for instance).

ejmat
02-10-2010, 06:03 AM
Midge Resurrected wrote:

i_bleed_purple wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

blah blah blah

Weird how you didn't post the ENTIRE conversation - but then again, I expect nothing less from you.

Again, back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.

Well in order to recreate their success they would have to win another superbowl.

That may not happen but I believe they will be a force in 2010.

People keep talking about the Saints and how they won't be as good. If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none

I agree with you regarding Favre. Even if he does come back (please please please please please) it would be really hard for him to have another year like this one. This was the best year of his career in many aspects of the game. Who knows though...

As far as NO - I am certainly not writing them off. Or at least I didn't mean to sound like that. I'm just not sold on them having a year anywhere near as amazing as this one. They weren't just good - they were dominant. IMHO they played above their ability, which they should be proud of. Next year, I think we will see a little bit of regression to the mean in terms of their offensive and defensive performance. I don't think their offense will score as many points, and I don't think their defense will get as many takeaways. That doesn't mean that they will be a bad team, just not as good as this year. I think the Saints are a 10-6 team in 2010.

Have you seen the Saints 2010 schedule ? They could play TERRIBLE and win 10 games. It's similiar to the Vikes 09 schedule. Here it is in case you haven't seen it. Seattle, Cleveland, Rams, etc, why not just throw in Detroit, lol

Home
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers


Away
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals

9 games that will even be close, Falcons x2, panthers x2 Vikings, Steelers, Cards, Cowboys, Ravens(both division, that can go any way)

Its not an outrageously easy schedule. Yeah, there's lots of easy games, but there are still some good teams, and some that I think will do better this year than last year, such as the Steelers, Ravens, Panthers, etc.

I agree ... I think it is funny that everyone is making their schedule out as being so easy.
They will have tough home games against Minnesota and Pittsburgh and could easily be surprised at home by Atlanta and/or Carolina (or Tampa again?)
As for the road games, Baltimore, Dallas, Cincinnati and San Francisco are all tough. And of course, they play Atlanta and Carolina there too.

Sure, they will be good, and will be legitimate favorites in their division, but that schedule is not a gimmie by any stretch.

The wonderful thing about the NFL, is some games that look tough end up being gimmies and some that look like gimmies end up being pretty tough (see the Bengals and Jets this season for instance).

I love how people look at schedules before the draft and say how a team will be good or bad. The fact is no one knows. Who would have thought the 2008 Falcons were going to be good? Cardinals? I can go on and on about that.

The schedules are made for you to match up against your division, an interconference division, another conference division and against teams in your conference that finished in the same place as you. We all know it doesn't matter what happened last year. Look at Pitt this year. Look at the Giants this year. Look at the Dolphins of 2008. People thought they would be horrible and they won 11 games.

My point is don't count any teams out especially at this juncture of the season. There are no easy or difficult schedules until we truly know during the season.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 06:30 AM
marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 06:44 AM
fanofteam wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Bring on the Aints I say. If we wouldn't have given them the ball back so many times (in thier house) we would have whupped a little fleur-de-lis ass in the NFC Championship game. Why the hell would anyone think that we can't repeat that performance next year, minus the execution gaffs of course......

A nice ass whuppin of the champs would set the following schedule up nicely as we make our way to our first SB victory....

Home:
Chicago - Martz will only help thier offense improve. He can't fix that aging defense. Hell, I don't think they can fix both of them in the offseason because of the ownership groups approach. WIN

Detroit - Still a year away, but I like what they are doing up there. I wouldn't be suprised to see us split with the Lions this year. WIN

Green Bay - Scary team. TJ gets the monkey off his back with his 3rd win in a row. WIN

Dallas - So sad to watch Jerry run this proud franchise into the ground as he tries to show the world he is a GM/Football man. WIN

New York Giants - Strife on the defensive side of the ball during the offseason will put this team into a position were they are trying to field a defense that can stop teams from scoring. WIN

Buffalo - Its Buffalo. WIN

Miami - Might be the first real test without Phat Pat clogging the middle. Add in how well thier QB play was towards the end of the year. Big day for Chad. LOSS

Arizona - Thier old dude retired. Thier young dude was a wasted pick. Our young Dude wins. WIN

Away:
Chicago - Win

Detroit - LOSS

Green Bay - LOSS

Philadelphia - I'm not so sure whats gonna happen with the Iggles this year. They sure have some nice pieces and parts on that roster. Going on a limb here. WIN

Washington - Official rebuilding mindset starts. This team will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Vikes won't be one of them. WIN

New England - Chiller outcoaches the master. WIN

New York Jets - Another tough call. Not sure why, maybe the running game and loss of Phat Pat equates to a bad matchup on the road. LOSS

New Orleans - Player turnover. SB hangover. We outplayed them once. Players don't choke this time. WIN

12-4/11-5 is easily within reach. Bigger question is, what will the PUKERS do.


Now take off the purple glasses, lol

Wiining on the road in Philly, NE and the new Jets stadium will be very hard, I'm not sure but do you realize we SUCK on the road ?

The only thing I'm with you on is the Lions improving.
Can't take the Purple Specks off this time of the year my friend. Its time to wear them.... ;)

Philly I will give you, however, the Pats seem to be on a quick downward trend if you ask me. The Jets, although they have a damn nice OL, a sound running attack and a nice defense, will struggle at times with consistency, if for no other reason than thier QB play.

As to the "Sucking" on the road comment. I would have agreed with you a few years ago, however, we are getting better at playing on the road and suspect we will be a tough beat next year for any home team.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 06:49 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

Ok... so who did Green have that was on Favre's level in the first four years of his tenure?

(this is also ignoring that Childress has Adrian Peterson too... lol)

I think I am going to learn from past experience and not even bother to let you suck me into another amazingly stupid argument. Who cares if who is better between Green and Childress or Green and Payton? Nobody - you just look for every opportunity to argue.

Man, I can't believe I almost fell for that again...

Back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.
Damn, that was some good stuff you two had going there.

Anyways, I was listening to Mike and MIke yesterday, it appears that although there is alot of FA/RFA on the Aint's, it appears that of that number (29 I think) they said that only 9 would infact leave.

I know when you look at 29 vs 9, that minimizes it a bit, however, I for one don't think any team would have a good attempt at repeating the SB with 9 of thier players leaving.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 06:57 AM
fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

ejmat
02-10-2010, 07:10 AM
Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

As a self admitted Favre lover I do believe someone like McNabb can come and do a great job. To your message before, I don't think he took a "I'm going to be better than ever" pill but I do believe he played smarter for the most part (with the exception of that last pass :().

He has a good cast around him but we really need to face the fact he made the players around him play better. Rice, Harvin or whoever you want to throw in would not have had the same success if it weren't for Favre. We probably would be in the same conversation as last year not knowing if Rice should stay.

It works both ways of course but we made it 2 games further (not just one) since we had the bye week. That accounts for something because without Favre there's no way we had the bye. His teammates made him better as well as he made his teammates better. That is what a QB is supposed to do and he did exactly what was asked.

I don't know how TJ will pan out. I agree in that I think he has a future. But he really needs to gain the confidence needed, go out there and do what he does best. Get out of the pocket and move around so defenses can't blitz all the time. Also, don't be afraid to take off and run. He has speed and can be very dangerous in that aspect.

Prophet
02-10-2010, 07:14 AM
Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

Truthfully, marst09 has been the slobberer and most of the time in jest. You, singersp, and blv have had an irrational hatred since Favre was inked with the Vikings and your predictions of failure were all wrong. Not only that, Favre plays with more heart and fortitude than many players of the game and is one tough bastard. Most could see then and can see now that he was orders of magnitude better than any other option the Vikings had at QB. Personally, I am happy any time a player is signed that improves the Vikings' roster.

Don't start with the lecture about 'the team'. I said that earlier in this thread and have lived by that philosophy since I learned it while playing football in fifth grade.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 07:16 AM
ejmat wrote:

Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

As a self admitted Favre lover I do believe someone like McNabb can come and do a great job. To your message before, I don't think he took a "I'm going to be better than ever" pill but I do believe he played smarter for the most part (with the exception of that last pass :().

He has a good cast around him but we really need to face the fact he made the players around him play better. Rice, Harvin or whoever you want to throw in would not have had the same success if it weren't for Favre. We probably would be in the same conversation as last year not knowing if Rice should stay.

It works both ways of course but we made it 2 games further (not just one) since we had the bye week. That accounts for something because without Favre there's no way we had the bye. His teammates made him better as well as he made his teammates better. That is what a QB is supposed to do and he did exactly what was asked.

I don't know how TJ will pan out. I agree in that I think he has a future. But he really needs to gain the confidence needed, go out there and do what he does best. Get out of the pocket and move around so defenses can't blitz all the time. Also, don't be afraid to take off and run. He has speed and can be very dangerous in that aspect.
I will give you all points, including the "Play Smarter" pill.

I wonder how much of that was the Chiller giving him a "Keep in the scheme and we will suceed" Pill....

And to your point about him making the players around him better. I especially agree with that and am not trying to take that away.

My point is that his role wasn't so big that this team will fall apart if he desides not to play next year. Alot of this years success can be attributed to some very young players stepping up and playing to thier potential.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 07:21 AM
Prophet wrote:

Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

Truthfully, marst09 has been the slobberer and most of the time in jest. You, singersp, and blv have had an irrational hatred since Favre was inked with the Vikings and your predictions of failure were all wrong. Not only that, Favre plays with more heart and fortitude than many players of the game and is one tough bastard. Most could see then and can see now that he was orders of magnitude better than any other option the Vikings had at QB. Personally, I am happy any time a player is signed that improves the Vikings' roster.

Don't start with the lecture about 'the team'. I said that earlier in this thread and have lived by that philosophy since I learned it while playing football in fifth grade.
LOL, points well taken. Problem is, I only get irrational over things of importance if I can't change the situation.

Football, is not one of those situations. Its entertainment, nothing to get irrational over.

Do I hate him? No, I hate no one. Despise him, yes, wish he didn't grace us with his presence this year, yes.

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Prophet
02-10-2010, 07:30 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Prophet wrote:

Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

Truthfully, marst09 has been the slobberer and most of the time in jest. You, singersp, and blv have had an irrational hatred since Favre was inked with the Vikings and your predictions of failure were all wrong. Not only that, Favre plays with more heart and fortitude than many players of the game and is one tough bastard. Most could see then and can see now that he was orders of magnitude better than any other option the Vikings had at QB. Personally, I am happy any time a player is signed that improves the Vikings' roster.

Don't start with the lecture about 'the team'. I said that earlier in this thread and have lived by that philosophy since I learned it while playing football in fifth grade.
LOL, points well taken. Problem is, I only get irrational over things of importance if I can't change the situation.

Football, is not one of those situations. Its entertainment, nothing to get irrational over.

Do I hate him? No, I hate no one. Despise him, yes, wish he didn't grace us with his presence this year, yes.

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

For someone that doesn't buy into the pundits hype, you sure seem to. Decades of watching the Vikings and I can honestly say that this past season was one of my favorites and I can honestly say that having an HOF QB had a lot to do with that and I am not even a big offensive fan.

If you are in the camp that Favre lost the NFCCG, then there is nothing I can do for you. He contributed to the loss, but, he also contributed to keeping a team with -5 turnovers, on the road, with keeping the team in the game when the odds were against them. One playoff win? Best I can tell they had a first round bye and that is the equivalent of advancing.

I am not a 'sky is falling' person if Favre does not come back next season, but, I am a 'fuck, we are back to huge question marks at QB' person and know they are still a solid team, but, I also know that the stress will be increased 100 fold with Tarvaris Jackson under center until he can prove that he is starter material in the NFL.

ejmat
02-10-2010, 07:34 AM
Marrdro wrote:

ejmat wrote:

Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.


Even if favre does come back the chances of him being as good in 2010 as he was this year are slim to none
I will agree with you on this. It was his best year ever and would be probably hard to re-create, however, bare in mind that the team will also be one year better which should help overcome any dropoff in his play.

On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.

I know that if I was all over his tip like some, I would almost have to puke my guts out from having slobbered all over the Noodles knob.

As a self admitted Favre lover I do believe someone like McNabb can come and do a great job. To your message before, I don't think he took a "I'm going to be better than ever" pill but I do believe he played smarter for the most part (with the exception of that last pass :().

He has a good cast around him but we really need to face the fact he made the players around him play better. Rice, Harvin or whoever you want to throw in would not have had the same success if it weren't for Favre. We probably would be in the same conversation as last year not knowing if Rice should stay.

It works both ways of course but we made it 2 games further (not just one) since we had the bye week. That accounts for something because without Favre there's no way we had the bye. His teammates made him better as well as he made his teammates better. That is what a QB is supposed to do and he did exactly what was asked.

I don't know how TJ will pan out. I agree in that I think he has a future. But he really needs to gain the confidence needed, go out there and do what he does best. Get out of the pocket and move around so defenses can't blitz all the time. Also, don't be afraid to take off and run. He has speed and can be very dangerous in that aspect.
I will give you all points, including the "Play Smarter" pill.

I wonder how much of that was the Chiller giving him a "Keep in the scheme and we will suceed" Pill....

And to your point about him making the players around him better. I especially agree with that and am not trying to take that away.

My point is that his role wasn't so big that this team will fall apart if he desides not to play next year. Alot of this years success can be attributed to some very young players stepping up and playing to thier potential.

I think he did have a pretty big role. One that is unmeasured. That is the confidence he gave to some of the players around him. I think a player like Rice now sees his potential whereas before he didn't and probably wouldn't have with TJ or Sage. Regardless of whether or not Favre is here next year I think he continues to improve. Maybe not the same numbers but definitely a force to watch.

Harvin winning ROY is partly attributed to Favre. I think the 2 kick-off returns helped his call which Favre had nothing to do with but his WR role was definitely helped because of Favre's presence. I will say though without the 2 kick-off returns I dount he wins ROY.

AP had a much improved year out of the backfield. Not still there imo but definitely better than previous years. That, I believe has a lot to do with Favre. He doesn't get those same opportunities with TJ or Sage imo.

Yes they won the division last year but let's face the fact the every team in the division improved this year. GB from 6-10 to 11-5. Detroit from 0-16 to 2-14 (not much but still a better team). The Bears - although they didn't win as many games they did better themselves personnel wise. That being said, if Favre was not here I don't believe they win the North.

NodakPaul
02-10-2010, 08:28 AM
Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

V-Unit
02-10-2010, 08:37 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

V-Unit wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V-Unit wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:
[quote]I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

I don't understand the comparison. The 2009 Saints won the Super Bowl. The 1998 Vikings got upset in the conference championship.

-V-

Both teams were very high scoring with opportunistic yet vulnurable defenses, for one. And second, the 1998 Vikings were considered by many to easily be the best team of the season, and one of the best of the decade. Everyone expected the 1999 Vikings to come out to the same success, based on what they saw in 1998.

Now everyone is expecting the 2010 Saints to enjoy the same success as the 2009 Saints, and I am saying that it is not even close to being a given. Brees was amazing in 2009, but average in 2008. Which one are we going to see in 2010. The Saints defense kept the team in games because of turnovers. Can they keep it up in 2010?

Assuming that the Saints are going to be one of the top 3 teams in the NFC simply because they were really good this year is a mistake. The top three NFC teams last year were New York, Carolina, and Atlanta. None of them made the playoffs this year. The year before that is was Dallas, Green Bay, and Seattle. Before that it was the Bears, Saints, and Eagles. It goes one and on, and very rarely is a team able to finish in the top three two years in a row. at least in the NFC. There seems to be considerably less parity in the AFC though.

Sorry Nodak, but this is a bad argument. The Saints were good enough to win the Super Bowl in 2009. The 1998 Vikings weren't.

Also, sure, playoff teams are tough to predict, but that does not change the favorites from being the favorites. If you want to predict that the Buccaneers are going to be a top 3 NFC team next year, go right on ahead, but the odds are not with you.

This is not about top 3 teams repeating. This is about teams that went to the Super Bowl. The NFC team that went to the Super Bowl in 2008 was a top 4 NFC team in 2009. The NFC team that went to the Super Bowl in 2007 was the best NFC team in 2008. C Mac's logic does hold up.

-V-



Actually, this IS about the top three teams. That is what started this line of thought:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what


Sigh. V4L made reference to a Super Bowl Champion returning to the playoffs. You, in your comparison to the 99 Vikings, made reference to a Conference Championship loser returning to the playoffs. I hope you see the difference.



There is enough change in the offseason that it is damn hard to predict who the playoff teams are going to be, much less the top three. If we were so convinced that the Saints are going to be so good next year, why not just award them the 2010 Lombardi trophy as well?


No one said they were going to win the Super Bowl next year. Only that they would be a contender.



Does that mean that they won't be good next year? Not at all. Just saying that I am not scared of the 2010 Saints simply because the 2009 Saints (barely) beat us. And I sure as hell wouldn't bet anything that the Saints are in the playoffs next year.


Again, if you were FORCED to bet on one team, who would you bet on? The up and down Cowboys? The Warner-less Cardinals? The maybe Favre-less Vikings? Like it or not, the Saints would be high on your list.



Last year's Super Bowl champs didn't even make the playoffs this year. The 2007 AFC Champs didn't make the playoffs in 2008. The 2006 NFC Champs didn't make the playoffs in 2007. The 2005 Super Bowl champions didn't make the playoffs in 2006.


Oh, so we are looking at the AFC now? That is a newsflash to me. Drew Brees doesn't remind me of Rex Grossman, and the TO situation ruined Philly.



Teams change every year. Even teams that do not lose personnel or coaches (like the Steelers this year) change.

And I am not sure what you mean by C Mac's logic. He isn't even quoted in this post. If it is the Green-Payton thing, see my above post.

I've already admitted that its tough to predict. However, you can't deny that the Saints have a recipe that can stand up for another year, and your comparison to a completely different team from a decade ago still doesn't hold much water.

The original claim was that: "the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team". That makes a lot more sense to me than saying "The Saints won't make the playoffs in 2010 because the Vikings didn't make the playoffs in 1999.

-V-

Prophet
02-10-2010, 08:40 AM
V-Unit wrote:

...The original claim was that: "the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team". That makes a lot more sense to me than saying "The Saints won't make the playoffs in 20110 because the Vikings didn't make the playoffs in 1999.

-V-

It appears to me that both discussions lack merit.

p.s. The Vikings will go to the Super Bowl next year because Mike Martz is coaching in the division.

marstc09
02-10-2010, 08:41 AM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol

marstc09
02-10-2010, 08:46 AM
Marrdro wrote:

[quote]fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.


Why would I dread that? I actually like the Minnesota Vikings. I support the team not matter who the sign. You wouldn't know anything about that though.

marstc09
02-10-2010, 08:48 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

C Mac D
02-10-2010, 08:52 AM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

While I see what your saying Marrdro, there are a lot of positives to take away from the season. Come on, you can't deny that it was the most entertaining Vikings season in a LONG time.

ultravikingfan
02-10-2010, 09:04 AM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

While I see what your saying Marrdro, there are a lot of positives to take away from the season. Come on, you can't deny that it was the most entertaining Vikings season in a LONG time.

+1

Had me at the edge of my seat every Sunday.

Although the Super Bowl is the ultimate accomplishment for a team and a fan, I am still more satisfied with this season than I have been in a long time.

The core of the team is already in place. I believe we can do it with the players we have now. It's the adjustments we make that we decide the fate of next season (turnovers and O-Line).

NodakPaul
02-10-2010, 09:06 AM
V-Unit wrote:

The original claim was that: "the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team". That makes a lot more sense to me than saying "The Saints won't make the playoffs in 2010 because the Vikings didn't make the playoffs in 1999.

-V-

That isn't what I was saying at all, or at least not what I was trying to say.

I never once said that "The Saints won't make the playoffs in 2010 because the Vikings didn't make the playoffs in 1999." I used the 99 Vikings as a comparison - everyone was convinced they would be the team to beat in 99, just like everyone seems to be convinced that NO is the team to beat in 2010. I hope you see the difference between what was actually said and the way you interpreted it.

Just because everyone is high on them now does NOT mean that it will turn out that way. In fact, most of the time the public and analysts are wrong in their predictions. Who predicted that the 8-8 NO Saints from 2008 would be the dominent force in 2010? Nobody.

Will the Saints make the playoffs next year? IMHO probably. They play in a traditionally weak division, so should be good.

Will the Saints be a top 3 NFC team next year. IMHO probably not. I think that both the Saints offense and the Saints defense over performed in some aspects of their game. They were able to keep it up for most of the season, not falling off until the end. And then in the playoffs they were able to return to the high level of play. That was a remarkable effort, and should be applauded. But I do not think that they can sustain that effort through another season and post season. Eventually they will have to start playing closer to their average again, and I think that will make them a 10-6 team at best in 2010.

The Saints don't scare me. I respect them, but am not scared of them like many seem to be. I am looking forward to a rematch - with or without Favre. (But MAN I hope it is with Favre!)

Brazilian Rider
02-10-2010, 09:28 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

V-Unit wrote:

The original claim was that: "the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team". That makes a lot more sense to me than saying "The Saints won't make the playoffs in 2010 because the Vikings didn't make the playoffs in 1999.

-V-

That isn't what I was saying at all, or at least not what I was trying to say.

I never once said that "The Saints won't make the playoffs in 2010 because the Vikings didn't make the playoffs in 1999." I used the 99 Vikings as a comparison - everyone was convinced they would be the team to beat in 99, just like everyone seems to be convinced that NO is the team to beat in 2010. I hope you see the difference between what was actually said and the way you interpreted it.

Just because everyone is high on them now does NOT mean that it will turn out that way. In fact, most of the time the public and analysts are wrong in their predictions. Who predicted that the 8-8 NO Saints from 2008 would be the dominent force in 2010? Nobody.

Will the Saints make the playoffs next year? IMHO probably. They play in a traditionally weak division, so should be good.
Will the Saints be a top 3 NFC team next year. IMHO probably not. I think that both the Saints offense and the Saints defense over performed in some aspects of their game. They were able to keep it up for most of the season, not falling off until the end. And then in the playoffs they were able to return to the high level of play. That was a remarkable effort, and should be applauded. But I do not think that they can sustain that effort through another season and post season. Eventually they will have to start playing closer to their average again, and I think that will make them a 10-6 team at best in 2010.

The Saints don't scare me. I respect them, but am not scared of them like many seem to be. I am looking forward to a rematch - with or without Favre. (But MAN I hope it is with Favre!)

How dare you diss my Bucs.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 10:12 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 10:33 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

[quote]fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.


Why would I dread that? I actually like the Minnesota Vikings. I support the team not matter who the sign. You wouldn't know anything about that though.
Yea right, cause why?

Cause I supported them even though they added a player that actually makes me sick to see in a Vikings uniform?

Gimme a break.

Makes me wonder what it will be like around here if for some reason TJ is made the starter. Wonder what types of posts we will get from fans who do not like him......

My guess is that there will/would be quite a few who even resort to calling him funny names and pointing out every little flaw. How is that different from a cat like me who despises a player instead of just "Not liking him"?

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 10:38 AM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

While I see what your saying Marrdro, there are a lot of positives to take away from the season. Come on, you can't deny that it was the most entertaining Vikings season in a LONG time.
Find me one place were I haven't lauded him for things like that. Heck I've even gone so far as to point out what role he has played with respect to improvement especially when it comes to Sully and the WR's.

My point, AGAIN, is that I am not ready to write off next season if his Lordship doesn't decide to grace us with his presence.

I am 100% convinced this team is ready to carry a QB, not the other way around (the ole Noodle carried the team), as some on here will try to convince us during this time of waiting.

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 10:44 AM
ultravikingfan wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

While I see what your saying Marrdro, there are a lot of positives to take away from the season. Come on, you can't deny that it was the most entertaining Vikings season in a LONG time.

+1

Had me at the edge of my seat every Sunday.

Although the Super Bowl is the ultimate accomplishment for a team and a fan, I am still more satisfied with this season than I have been in a long time.

The core of the team is already in place. I believe we can do it with the players we have now. It's the adjustments we make that we decide the fate of next season (turnovers and O-Line).
I am more than satisfied as well and as you said, I am 100% convinced this team is set and not only for next year, but several years to come.

I know its hard for some to comprehend as they are used to watching the last 2 regimes operate, but this team will continue to get better, not worse.

Case in point, Griff and Ray. Those two are finally playing at a NFL level. How many years did that take? They are both (injuries aside) looking at least to 5 or 6 more damn fine years. Chad, AD, Sully, Load, Jasper, etc will all have a role in those years to come.

Long story short, this team is loaded with alot of good, exciting talent just waiting for a chance to show us good things. The loss of one Noodle isn't gonna stop it from only getting better.

In the end though, I've repeatedly said this, .......They signed him to a two year contract. Anyone can read between the lines a bit and come to the conclusion that all thought it would take at least 2 years to get it done.

He is coming back to finish that plan next year. After that, TJ (or QB X) will be ready to take over.

NodakPaul
02-10-2010, 11:20 AM
NEver mind - my lame attempt at humor didn't work because the image link is malformed... :)

Marrdro
02-10-2010, 11:49 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

NEver mind - my lame attempt at humor didn't work because the image link is malformed... :)
How can any attempt at humor on this site, especially of late, be considered lame my friend? B)

V-Unit
02-10-2010, 12:10 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

V4L wrote:

I would also bet my life the Saints make the playoffs next year as well and will be a top 3 NFC team no matter what

That is what people said of the 99 Vikings as well.

That is also what people said of the 2004 Patriots.

-V-

marstc09
02-10-2010, 12:21 PM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.

marstc09
02-10-2010, 12:23 PM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

[quote]fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.


Why would I dread that? I actually like the Minnesota Vikings. I support the team not matter who the sign. You wouldn't know anything about that though.
Yea right, cause why?

Cause I supported them even though they added a player that actually makes me sick to see in a Vikings uniform?

Gimme a break.

Makes me wonder what it will be like around here if for some reason TJ is made the starter. Wonder what types of posts we will get from fans who do not like him......

My guess is that there will/would be quite a few who even resort to calling him funny names and pointing out every little flaw. How is that different from a cat like me who despises a player instead of just "Not liking him"?

Wonder all you want. This guy does not hate TJ. In fact, I don't think anyone hates TJ like you hate Favre.

marstc09
02-10-2010, 12:25 PM
Marrdro wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

While I see what your saying Marrdro, there are a lot of positives to take away from the season. Come on, you can't deny that it was the most entertaining Vikings season in a LONG time.
I am 100% convinced this team is ready to carry a QB, not the other way around (the ole Noodle carried the team), as some on here will try to convince us during this time of waiting.

Who is "us"?

fanofteam
02-10-2010, 05:26 PM
Marrdro wrote:

fanofteam wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Bring on the Aints I say. If we wouldn't have given them the ball back so many times (in thier house) we would have whupped a little fleur-de-lis ass in the NFC Championship game. Why the hell would anyone think that we can't repeat that performance next year, minus the execution gaffs of course......

A nice ass whuppin of the champs would set the following schedule up nicely as we make our way to our first SB victory....

Home:
Chicago - Martz will only help thier offense improve. He can't fix that aging defense. Hell, I don't think they can fix both of them in the offseason because of the ownership groups approach. WIN

Detroit - Still a year away, but I like what they are doing up there. I wouldn't be suprised to see us split with the Lions this year. WIN

Green Bay - Scary team. TJ gets the monkey off his back with his 3rd win in a row. WIN

Dallas - So sad to watch Jerry run this proud franchise into the ground as he tries to show the world he is a GM/Football man. WIN

New York Giants - Strife on the defensive side of the ball during the offseason will put this team into a position were they are trying to field a defense that can stop teams from scoring. WIN

Buffalo - Its Buffalo. WIN

Miami - Might be the first real test without Phat Pat clogging the middle. Add in how well thier QB play was towards the end of the year. Big day for Chad. LOSS

Arizona - Thier old dude retired. Thier young dude was a wasted pick. Our young Dude wins. WIN

Away:
Chicago - Win

Detroit - LOSS

Green Bay - LOSS

Philadelphia - I'm not so sure whats gonna happen with the Iggles this year. They sure have some nice pieces and parts on that roster. Going on a limb here. WIN

Washington - Official rebuilding mindset starts. This team will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Vikes won't be one of them. WIN

New England - Chiller outcoaches the master. WIN

New York Jets - Another tough call. Not sure why, maybe the running game and loss of Phat Pat equates to a bad matchup on the road. LOSS

New Orleans - Player turnover. SB hangover. We outplayed them once. Players don't choke this time. WIN

12-4/11-5 is easily within reach. Bigger question is, what will the PUKERS do.


Now take off the purple glasses, lol

Wiining on the road in Philly, NE and the new Jets stadium will be very hard, I'm not sure but do you realize we SUCK on the road ?

The only thing I'm with you on is the Lions improving.
Can't take the Purple Specks off this time of the year my friend. Its time to wear them.... ;)

Philly I will give you, however, the Pats seem to be on a quick downward trend if you ask me. The Jets, although they have a damn nice OL, a sound running attack and a nice defense, will struggle at times with consistency, if for no other reason than thier QB play.

As to the "Sucking" on the road comment. I would have agreed with you a few years ago, however, we are getting better at playing on the road and suspect we will be a tough beat next year for any home team.


You sure judge improvement in VERY strange way


The Vikes were 0 - 4 in there last 4 AWAY games, lol


The Pats are on a quick downhill trend, now that's funny but not nearly as funny as thinking the Jets will struggle because of thier QB play but the Vikes won't if Favre doesn't come back

fanofteam
02-10-2010, 05:28 PM
Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

LOL. OK, and we'll ignore all of the star players Green had too then... I love how you twist criteria to suit your needs.

Ok... so who did Green have that was on Favre's level in the first four years of his tenure?

(this is also ignoring that Childress has Adrian Peterson too... lol)

I think I am going to learn from past experience and not even bother to let you suck me into another amazingly stupid argument. Who cares if who is better between Green and Childress or Green and Payton? Nobody - you just look for every opportunity to argue.

Man, I can't believe I almost fell for that again...

Back to the original point - there is no guarantee that the Saints are going to be able to recreate their success in 2010. And honestly, given the nature of their defense, I don't think they will.
Damn, that was some good stuff you two had going there.

Anyways, I was listening to Mike and MIke yesterday, it appears that although there is alot of FA/RFA on the Aint's, it appears that of that number (29 I think) they said that only 9 would infact leave.

I know when you look at 29 vs 9, that minimizes it a bit, however, I for one don't think any team would have a good attempt at repeating the SB with 9 of thier players leaving.

At this point there is no salary cap so the Saints could sign every one of those players if they wanted to

fanofteam
02-10-2010, 05:36 PM
Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



Now that is funny, where was Rice in 2008 with his 15 receptions compared to 83 receptions in 2009 ? I didn't see him making TJ and Gus look good ?


Im sorry I can't stop laughing about HArvin and Rice making Favre look good, lol

marstc09
02-11-2010, 09:07 AM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I mean seriously, what did we really achieve with him under center?

Did we win our Division? Yes, but we did that with the likes of Gus and TJ.
Did we win a Playoff game? Yes. Give ya that one.
Did We win the SB? Nope. Hey, isn't that what he was brought here to do? :huh:

Did we secure a first round bye? Yes.
Did we deliver an ass kicking in the divisional round? Yes.
Did we go undefeated at home? Yes.

I will agree that our team made Favre better than he ever has before. And Favre made our team better than they have in at least a decade, if not more. The two go hand in hand. I don't agree that our team can make TJack or Sage as good as Favre did this year, nor can TJack or Sage make the team as good as they were this year.

That is what we accomplished with Favre under center - a better team. I do hope that Favre comes back. Even if he isn't as good he will still make our team better. In the event that he doesn't come back (and I won't believe any report either way until day 1 of the regular season), I hope to God that whoever we have under center will be at least good enough to help us continue to be successful. If he managed to do better than Favre - all the better. Because that would mean that he is playing at a HoF level, and that bodes well for our team.

Why even try? Marrdro lost his mind when Favre arrived.

Vikings better off than a season ago

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/82857267.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Caine
02-14-2010, 10:30 AM
Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine

Marrdro
02-14-2010, 11:22 AM
Caine wrote:

Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine
Why do all the Noodle supporters continue to try to compare TJ's record to the Noodle's record when they try to convince us the come to the dark side.

Its almost like you guys/gals want us to believe that every kid that comes out of college should be a instant HOF'r or he isn't ever gonna work out to be anything.

When (Bigger if) this staff ever drafts a HOF QB that plays like it in his first year, you can rest assured all of us who hold out hope for cats like Thygpen, JDB, and yes, even TJ to become a viable assett under Center, will shout our cheers of happiness from the highest mountain tops and probably beat all of you to those mountain tops.

Until then, all we can do is hope that TJ and whomever they draft this year, will be that guy.

C Mac D
02-14-2010, 01:31 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Caine wrote:

Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine
Why do all the Noodle supporters continue to try to compare TJ's record to the Noodle's record when they try to convince us the come to the dark side.

Its almost like you guys/gals want us to believe that every kid that comes out of college should be a instant HOF'r or he isn't ever gonna work out to be anything.

When (Bigger if) this staff ever drafts a HOF QB that plays like it in his first year, you can rest assured all of us who hold out hope for cats like Thygpen, JDB, and yes, even TJ to become a viable assett under Center, will shout our cheers of happiness from the highest mountain tops and probably beat all of you to those mountain tops.

Until then, all we can do is hope that TJ and whomever they draft this year, will be that guy.

Yeah, you just sorta have to laugh it off.

marstc09
02-14-2010, 08:42 PM
fanofteam wrote:

Marrdro wrote:


fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



Now that is funny, where was Rice in 2008 with his 15 receptions compared to 83 receptions in 2009 ? I didn't see him making TJ and Gus look good ?


Im sorry I can't stop laughing about HArvin and Rice making Favre look good, lol

Yeah, you just sorta have to laugh it off.

marstc09
02-14-2010, 08:44 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Caine wrote:

Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine
Why do all the Noodle supporters continue to try to compare TJ's record to the Noodle's record when they try to convince us the come to the dark side.

I keep trying to figure out who is "us" and "we" when you talk about Favre.

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 07:02 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.
I hope to go fishing this weekend, if the weather cooperates.

Back to the Noodle. You seem to be the one fixated on this issue, not me. In the end, the Noodle didn't deliver that which you promised (and you did promise). You know it, I know it, everyone knows it and because of that, you keep trying to convince me (us) otherwise.

Its OK my friend. I understand. But excuse me if I opt to move on to next year. Take a look, I think you'll find it looks more promising than last year my friend.

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 07:09 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Caine wrote:

Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine
Why do all the Noodle supporters continue to try to compare TJ's record to the Noodle's record when they try to convince us the come to the dark side.

I keep trying to figure out who is "us" and "we" when you talk about Favre.
There is no clear cut definition that I am aware of.

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 07:11 AM
C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Caine wrote:

Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine
Why do all the Noodle supporters continue to try to compare TJ's record to the Noodle's record when they try to convince us the come to the dark side.

Its almost like you guys/gals want us to believe that every kid that comes out of college should be a instant HOF'r or he isn't ever gonna work out to be anything.

When (Bigger if) this staff ever drafts a HOF QB that plays like it in his first year, you can rest assured all of us who hold out hope for cats like Thygpen, JDB, and yes, even TJ to become a viable assett under Center, will shout our cheers of happiness from the highest mountain tops and probably beat all of you to those mountain tops.

Until then, all we can do is hope that TJ and whomever they draft this year, will be that guy.

Yeah, you just sorta have to laugh it off.
I can't wait for the first time the Noodle gives an indication that he might be thinking retirement. Most will know he is just waffling, but a few cats will definately go off the deepend around here.

LOL. Damn I love the offseason. ;)

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 07:13 AM
Marrdro wrote:

I can't wait for the first time the Noodle gives an indication that he might be thinking retirement. Most will know he is just waffling, but a few cats will definately go off the deepend around here.

LOL. Damn I love the offseason. ;)

He can waffle all the way up to day 1 of the regular season and I won't care. I just want him to come back. Because barring an amazing offseason trade, our alternatives are not even in the same class of quarterback.

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 07:14 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

[quote]fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.


Why would I dread that? I actually like the Minnesota Vikings. I support the team not matter who the sign. You wouldn't know anything about that though.
Yea right, cause why?

Cause I supported them even though they added a player that actually makes me sick to see in a Vikings uniform?

Gimme a break.

Makes me wonder what it will be like around here if for some reason TJ is made the starter. Wonder what types of posts we will get from fans who do not like him......

My guess is that there will/would be quite a few who even resort to calling him funny names and pointing out every little flaw. How is that different from a cat like me who despises a player instead of just "Not liking him"?

Wonder all you want. This guy does not hate TJ. In fact, I don't think anyone hates TJ like you hate Favre.
Were in there did you see that I said "He" hated TJ? You using Z's logical progression crap as well?

As to the Noodle, how many times do I have to tell you that I reserve the right to hate and that right doesn't even get close to being used when it comes to football and football players.

Its entertainment my friend. Ratchet down a bit when it comes to defending your hero. The offseason will go alot better. ;)

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 07:17 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

I can't wait for the first time the Noodle gives an indication that he might be thinking retirement. Most will know he is just waffling, but a few cats will definately go off the deepend around here.

LOL. Damn I love the offseason. ;)

He can waffle all the way up to day 1 of the regular season and I won't care. I just want him to come back. Because barring an amazing offseason trade, our alternatives are not even in the same class of quarterback.
I hear ya my friend and agree with respect to the alternatives.

As to the Waffling. I never really minded it, just get olds after a bit. What will be fun to watch is if ESPN lets Ed try to cover the issue again this year.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 08:18 AM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.
I hope to go fishing this weekend, if the weather cooperates.

Back to the Noodle. You seem to be the one fixated on this issue, not me. In the end, the Noodle didn't deliver that which you promised (and you did promise). You know it, I know it, everyone knows it and because of that, you keep trying to convince me (us) otherwise.

Its OK my friend. I understand. But excuse me if I opt to move on to next year. Take a look, I think you'll find it looks more promising than last year my friend.

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 08:46 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.
I hope to go fishing this weekend, if the weather cooperates.

Back to the Noodle. You seem to be the one fixated on this issue, not me. In the end, the Noodle didn't deliver that which you promised (and you did promise). You know it, I know it, everyone knows it and because of that, you keep trying to convince me (us) otherwise.

Its OK my friend. I understand. But excuse me if I opt to move on to next year. Take a look, I think you'll find it looks more promising than last year my friend.

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 08:55 AM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

[quote]fanofteam wrote:
If Favre doesn't come back FORGET 2010 for the VIkes. People will see how good Favre made Harvin and Rice look this year

Or we might just find out that they also made him look good my friend.



On a side note, I wonder how many Noodle lovers are dreading the possibility that another QB could come in and do just as good, if not better with this talented team.


Why would I dread that? I actually like the Minnesota Vikings. I support the team not matter who the sign. You wouldn't know anything about that though.
Yea right, cause why?

Cause I supported them even though they added a player that actually makes me sick to see in a Vikings uniform?

Gimme a break.

Makes me wonder what it will be like around here if for some reason TJ is made the starter. Wonder what types of posts we will get from fans who do not like him......

My guess is that there will/would be quite a few who even resort to calling him funny names and pointing out every little flaw. How is that different from a cat like me who despises a player instead of just "Not liking him"?

Wonder all you want. This guy does not hate TJ. In fact, I don't think anyone hates TJ like you hate Favre.
Ratchet down a bit when it comes to defending your hero. The offseason will go alot better. ;)

It is going fine.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 08:57 AM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.
I hope to go fishing this weekend, if the weather cooperates.

Back to the Noodle. You seem to be the one fixated on this issue, not me. In the end, the Noodle didn't deliver that which you promised (and you did promise). You know it, I know it, everyone knows it and because of that, you keep trying to convince me (us) otherwise.

Its OK my friend. I understand. But excuse me if I opt to move on to next year. Take a look, I think you'll find it looks more promising than last year my friend.

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

It has always been that way. I bet Singer he would win the NFC north. I backed off the Super Bowl bet. IT is not that hard to find.

I will be waiting.

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 09:02 AM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.
I hope to go fishing this weekend, if the weather cooperates.

Back to the Noodle. You seem to be the one fixated on this issue, not me. In the end, the Noodle didn't deliver that which you promised (and you did promise). You know it, I know it, everyone knows it and because of that, you keep trying to convince me (us) otherwise.

Its OK my friend. I understand. But excuse me if I opt to move on to next year. Take a look, I think you'll find it looks more promising than last year my friend.

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

I searched with your name, the noodles last name and Superbowl......Got 854 hits...No way in hell I'm going through all of those, but I did like this one....

marstc09
02-15-2010, 09:06 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Keep dreaming. Without Favre we are 9-7 at best, missing the playoffs.
You can keep thinking that way if you want. I am of the mind he will be back next year, however, I am also of the mind that we will make the playoffs with TJ under center.

Again, my rationale is this team can carry a QB and doesn't need a QB to carry it.

I know you will scoff at that, however, look at the last two teams your hero has played for.....

Jets - He played great. They did better with Sanchez.
Vikes - He had his best year every. Unless you can prove he took a "I'm instantly better than I've ever been in my career" pill, then I still contend that this team had just as big a role in its success as you contend the Noodle role was.

Just to make sure I'm clear here, I really believe he is coming back, so you don't have to worry but even if I'm wrong and he signed that two year contract just for shits and giggles, I am ready for TJ or possibly another QB (Blockbuster deal with the IGGLES for McNabb) stepping under center and this team doing just as well.

Seriously, it isn't like we got that much further with his old ass anyway now did we? One more game..... :blink:

How did that team carry TJ at home in the playoffs?

No shit the Jets did better this year. Favre had a noodle arm his year with the Jets. Funny how you use that this year but fail to recognize it when he played for the Jets. Typical hater fashion.

One more game? TJ played in the Wild Card and lost at home. Favre skipped that game because he led a team to a 1st round bye. Then he won the Divisional game. He put a beatdown on a hot team might I add. Then in the NFC Championship game he darn near carried the team on his back and beat NO in their own dome. Take the hater shades off. Favre did a lot more than win "one more game" lol
All very good points to bring up that make sense, problem for me is I've been told a bazillion trillion times by most of you on here......

Wins and losses are the only thing that counts. Then throw into the mix how most of you convinced me I should jump on the Noodle Arm express cause he all but gauranteed us a SB win.

Excuse me for being slow here, but for me......MEH.....Team got better and went further this year than it did the year before....

Again, MEH........Isn't that what has been happening without his Lordship? What did he really accomplish that hasn't been done by lesser teams than this?

So wins and losses are what counts eh?

09-10: Favre 13-5
08-09: TJ 2-4

Nobody ever said Favre would guarantee a Super Bowl. In fact even Favre said "there are no guarantees". 99% said Favre would give us a better shot.

MEH all you want.

Your last question is fucking hilarious. How many lesser teams have went to the NFC Championship game? Keep fishing.
I hope to go fishing this weekend, if the weather cooperates.

Back to the Noodle. You seem to be the one fixated on this issue, not me. In the end, the Noodle didn't deliver that which you promised (and you did promise). You know it, I know it, everyone knows it and because of that, you keep trying to convince me (us) otherwise.

Its OK my friend. I understand. But excuse me if I opt to move on to next year. Take a look, I think you'll find it looks more promising than last year my friend.

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

I searched with your name, the noodles last name and Superbowl......Got 854 hits...No way in hell I'm going through all of those, but I did like this one....



That's right, nothing. Lol.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 09:12 AM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 09:17 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Prophet
02-15-2010, 09:23 AM
Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

I was hyped that the Vikings were going, no doubt about it. Best I can recall is that it took losing the ball 5 times on the road and OT for them to lose in the NFCCG. I also think they would have pounded on the Colts in the SB. To me, that is pretty damn close to making the SB and winning it. Damn close. So close that it still pisses me off thinking about it, knowing that the team was there and primed.

I will stand in that camp firmly, much better than the despising Favre camp. Firm ground to stand on.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 09:26 AM
Prophet wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

I was hyped that the Vikings were going, no doubt about it. Best I can recall is that it took losing the ball 5 times on the road and OT for them to lose in the NFCCG. I also think they would have pounded on the Colts in the SB. To me, that is pretty damn close to making the SB and winning it. Damn close. So close that it still pisses me off thinking about it, knowing that the team was there and primed.

I will stand in that camp firmly, much better than the despising Favre camp. Firm ground to stand on.

That is a post you can't fuck with. +1

Caine
02-15-2010, 10:03 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Caine wrote:

Not even going to try and quote this mess...to chaotic.

1: The difference between Favre and Jackson is that Favre has it, and Jackson doesn't. For those of you (Marr) unsure of what that means, I'll simply point to career records and likelyhood of Hall induction as an indicator.

2: Favre made Harvin and Rice this season...don't even pretend that it was even REMOTELY the other way around. Rice is a good hands/slow feet possession type guy, and Favre maximized that all season long by putting balls where Sydney could make plays on them - unlike Jackson who puts balls way above, way below, way behind, or nowhere near receivers.

And Harvin, as a Rookie, was made by Favre. Are you even going to pretend that Jakson would have made those throws? That Jackson would have created that confidence? Not a chance.

3: If Jackson starts next season I look for a huge drop off in offensive production. We will have far fewer yards passing, far fewer TDs scored,and far more FG's. Of course,that would support the notion that FAVRE made the offense roll...something that many of you are reluctant to do. Let's hope that Favre comes back and we don't have to find out.

4: Playing and beating New Orleans in the first game next year would be nice...but it won't change what has already happened. They won't suddenly have an epiphany and realize that we handed them that game, nor will they recognize that we should have won anyway and that they suck .... ass. They'll still have the Lombardi trophy, and we won't. It'll just be another win. Don't try and make it mean more than it will.

5: Mark Wilf is the root cause of all of our woes.

Caine
Why do all the Noodle supporters continue to try to compare TJ's record to the Noodle's record when they try to convince us the come to the dark side.

Because it was quick and easy to reference. I could have gone stat by stat with yearly breakdowns, but if you're still at the point where you care to debate the relative ability levels of Favre and Jackson, then nothing short of a brick to the head will convince you.


Its almost like you guys/gals want us to believe that every kid that comes out of college should be a instant HOF'r or he isn't ever gonna work out to be anything.

No, that's not it at all...although the Apologists keep trying to make it that. It's more a case where after 4 years, and being the declared "Starter" for two of them, those of us opposed to continuing with Jackson feel that we have not seen the progress needed to be a successful QB here. No one has asked for, or expected, instant success. That's something the apologists made up.

Instead, we are saying that he has NOT progressed sufficiently, and we'd like to move on to someone else who actually might....

...of course, that is hamstrung by our Head Coaches apparant inability to recognize QB talent unless it's retiring and HOF bound...so we're in a pickle here.


When (Bigger if) this staff ever drafts a HOF QB that plays like it in his first year, you can rest assured all of us who hold out hope for cats like Thygpen, JDB, and yes, even TJ to become a viable assett under Center, will shout our cheers of happiness from the highest mountain tops and probably beat all of you to those mountain tops.

Just as we would become huge fans of those same QBs were they to ever actually develop into anything resembling a starter...I just don't think it's very likely they will. And, as I stated above, our HC's ability to spot QB talent is suspect.


Until then, all we can do is hope that TJ and whomever they draft this year, will be that guy.

Well, I'm pretty much convinced that Jackson isn't that guy, so here's hoping we draft a winner....

As long as the damn Mark Wilf doesn't screw everything up...

Caine

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 11:11 AM
Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 11:18 AM
C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)
I found a few to include one were Mars answers with a image of the Lombardi Trophy. Problem is, they will probably argue that they didn't use the word "Gaurantee" in the post.....




Very interesting thought. I actually could see that. What perfect way for him to stick it to the Packers by not making the playoffs. Now their pick is only a 3rd rounder. Prove in the beginning that you still have it. Maybe fake an injury. Could be the reason he is not getting any surgery. Get the Jets to not want you and release you. Not you get what you want and play for the Vikings. Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

Marrdro
02-15-2010, 11:22 AM
Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 12:36 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 12:42 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 12:51 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

Maybe these quotes would work better for you.
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

Hmmmm, that was posted more than 8 months ago - LONG before the season started. Not are we through with the bullshit about Favre supporters saying a SB was a lock. Not a single one ever said that.

Although ones like this are pretty funny too:
Marrdro wrote:

Would they be better with

a.
LNAD and without Whinny?

or

b.
Sage/TJ and Whinny?

Long story short, there is a big possibility here that we might not be able to resign a few guys if/when they get a deal done with LNAD.

God Marrdro, you were trying to paint Favre in every negative light possible long before he even signed. He puts up an amazing year, brings the Vikes farther then they have been in a decade, gave them the best chance (IMHO) of getting to and winning a Super Bowl in 30 years, and some people STILL try to put as much negative spin on it as possible.

First he was going to cost us core players. That didn't happen, so then he was going to destroy the locker room. Than didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFC North. That didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFCCG. Well, he didn't break down, but I guess you can argue that he had a significant role in that loss. Of course you can also argue that he had a significant role in us even making it to overtime... And NOW you are trying to play the "I told you so" card? I don't think so.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 12:53 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 12:57 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 01:00 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

This edit thing sucks...

Wow... you said Favre doesn't guarantee anything. You must be a genius, considering many of us were saying the exact same thing. Some of us were saying his INTs could acctually HURT US in the playoffs.

Imagine that.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 02:10 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

Prophet
02-15-2010, 02:21 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

...And for the record I think Marrdro is a stubborn idiot.

I'm guessing that will get you knocked down a few notches in the spreadsheet.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 02:40 PM
Prophet wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

...And for the record I think Marrdro is a stubborn idiot.

I'm guessing that will get you knocked down a few notches in the spreadsheet.

lol. NO fair editing my post and negatively effecting my spreahsheet status...

JPPT1974
02-15-2010, 02:51 PM
Think that it would break a lot of ratings if the Vikes did open with the SB Champs!

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 02:55 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

V4L
02-15-2010, 03:02 PM
Wow C Mac D

ejmat
02-15-2010, 03:03 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

NP - you have to know by now CMac is notorious for twisting things people say and bringing things up months later to see if maybe people forgot. It will never end.

I don't remember anyone guaranteeing a freaking superbowl. Not Mars, NP, Caine or even I did. But yes we all believed (and still do) Favre gave the Vikings a better shot at winning. CMac calls that spineless. I call that realism.

Here is what reality is. Please try to debate any one of them.

- Reality is Favre gave the VIkings a better chance to make the superbowl than did TJ or Sage.
-Realism is TJ has never proven a freaking thing yet except for he can play well during the preseason.
- Realism is Favre brought us within an OT of playing in the superbowl.

Now all you going to do is say well he threw the INT that lost the game. I will once again rebutt that by saying that INT happened in the 4th quarter. The Vikings lost in OT. So you may as well forget that try. There were several reason why the VIkings lost that game. Favre is one of those reasons just as is, AP, BB, PH, STs, Defense, Refs, etc......

Once you can comprehend the fact it is a team sport and the TEAM lost the game by not being able to hold onto the football then maybe we can move past this utter bullshit that you keep trying to spew. Face it! Favre had a tremendous season. A season in which the Vikings would have never made it as far as they did without Favre.

So you can cry and complain and say that Favre is the reason they lost all you want. That's fine. Believe what you want. Anyone with true football knowledge knows it is not the case. Was he a part of the reason? Yes he was. But he holds as much ownership as the other 52 players on the roster and the coaching staff.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:06 PM
ejmat wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

NP - you have to know by now CMac is notorious for twisting things people say and bringing things up months later to see if maybe people forgot. It will never end.

I don't remember anyone guaranteeing a freaking superbowl. Not Mars, NP, Caine or even I did. But yes we all believed (and still do) Favre gave the Vikings a better shot at winning. CMac calls that spineless. I call that realism.

Here is what reality is. Please try to debate any one of them.

- Reality is Favre gave the VIkings a better chance to make the superbowl than did TJ or Sage.
-Realism is TJ has never proven a freaking thing yet except for he can play well during the preseason.
- Realism is Favre brought us within an OT of playing in the superbowl.

Now all you going to do is say well he threw the INT that lost the game. I will once again rebutt that by saying that INT happened in the 4th quarter. The Vikings lost in OT. So you may as well forget that try. There were several reason why the VIkings lost that game. Favre is one of those reasons just as is, AP, BB, PH, STs, Defense, Refs, etc......

Once you can comprehend the fact it is a team sport and the TEAM lost the game by not being able to hold onto the football then maybe we can move past this utter bullshit that you keep trying to spew. Face it! Favre had a tremendous season. A season in which the Vikings would have never made it as far as they did without Favre.

So you can cry and complain and say that Favre is the reason they lost all you want. That's fine. Believe what you want. Anyone with true football knowledge knows it is not the case. Was he a part of the reason? Yes he was. But he holds as much ownership as the other 52 players on the roster and the coaching staff.

I see people have problems reading on these boards.

Can you please show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl? Please... I'll wait.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:13 PM
Still waiting...

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:13 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:18 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

LMFAO! Please Marrdro you know better than that. Stretch and pull all you want. There is no guarantee in that post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHaaa

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:20 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

No sense in arguing with him anymore. We all know how he rolls. You just have to sit back and laugh.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:20 PM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

lol... wonder why you're so defensive.

Can you show me where I said Childress will never win a playoff game? You may actually find it, but I'd like to see it.

And I find it funny that Nodak is still arguing that putting "Welcome to Miami" in his sig was just being an optimistic fan... despite him putting up the lyrics the day we signed Favre... and the fact that he'd never put those lyrics up before, despite the Super Bowl being held in Miami 10 times... 3 times in the past 10 years I think.

He just decided to be an optimistic fan this year? On the day we signed Favre?

Come on... some of us see through this. And then some of us just point figures at those stating facts and say, "He's twisting words.." because their opinion has been exposed as garbage.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:22 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

Maybe these quotes would work better for you.
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

Hmmmm, that was posted more than 8 months ago - LONG before the season started. Not are we through with the bullshit about Favre supporters saying a SB was a lock. Not a single one ever said that.

Although ones like this are pretty funny too:
Marrdro wrote:

Would they be better with

a.
LNAD and without Whinny?

or

b.
Sage/TJ and Whinny?

Long story short, there is a big possibility here that we might not be able to resign a few guys if/when they get a deal done with LNAD.

God Marrdro, you were trying to paint Favre in every negative light possible long before he even signed. He puts up an amazing year, brings the Vikes farther then they have been in a decade, gave them the best chance (IMHO) of getting to and winning a Super Bowl in 30 years, and some people STILL try to put as much negative spin on it as possible.

First he was going to cost us core players. That didn't happen, so then he was going to destroy the locker room. Than didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFC North. That didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFCCG. Well, he didn't break down, but I guess you can argue that he had a significant role in that loss. Of course you can also argue that he had a significant role in us even making it to overtime... And NOW you are trying to play the "I told you so" card? I don't think so.

http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/owned.jpg

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:24 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You should be a comedian. People are already laughing at you.

Caine
02-15-2010, 03:26 PM
Is there a point to any of this any longer?

You guys have twisted all the arguements so far out of proportion that I'm no longer sure what you're even argueing about...but I'm damn certain that I don't give a rats ass any longer.

If C Mac and Marrdro want to keep hating on Favre, knock yourselves out. Maybe Mars said Favre would win us a Superbowl, maybe not...but that doesn't make Jackson suck any less.

In the end, Mark Wilf is still a parasite and should be blamed for everything.

Caine

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:27 PM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

No sense in arguing with him anymore. We all know how he rolls. You just have to sit back and laugh.

Not an original bone in your body. You insult me, yet steal my lines.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah, you just sorta have to laugh it off.

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1038721-will-vikings-open-at-new-orleans?limit=15&start=120

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:27 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

http://jamiedubs.com/fuckflickr/data/owned/owned-water-on-school.jpg

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:28 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Still waiting...

Nodak? ejmat? Still waiting... can you PLEASE show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl?

I'd love to see it, since you both tore me apart for saying just that... but I was unable to see where I said that.

So, please. Can you show me where I said that?

lol...

V4L
02-15-2010, 03:29 PM
http://purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=12360#1001230


Eat your hearts out guys!

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:31 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

You are just mad that not too many people get excited about TJ.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:32 PM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

http://jamiedubs.com/fuckflickr/data/owned/owned-water-on-school.jpg

lol... I see you don't repost the responses that negate previous posts. How convenient. Here you go though:

C Mac D wrote:

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

And it's spelled "Ridiculous"

And it's spelled "Owned" (again... no intelligent argument? Just put an "owned" picture up)

And these are the sorts of people that disagree with me... can't imagine why.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:34 PM
ejmat wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

NP - you have to know by now CMac is notorious for twisting things people say and bringing things up months later to see if maybe people forgot. It will never end.

I don't remember anyone guaranteeing a freaking superbowl. Not Mars, NP, Caine or even I did. But yes we all believed (and still do) Favre gave the Vikings a better shot at winning. CMac calls that spineless. I call that realism.

Here is what reality is. Please try to debate any one of them.

- Reality is Favre gave the VIkings a better chance to make the superbowl than did TJ or Sage.
-Realism is TJ has never proven a freaking thing yet except for he can play well during the preseason.
- Realism is Favre brought us within an OT of playing in the superbowl.

Now all you going to do is say well he threw the INT that lost the game. I will once again rebutt that by saying that INT happened in the 4th quarter. The Vikings lost in OT. So you may as well forget that try. There were several reason why the VIkings lost that game. Favre is one of those reasons just as is, AP, BB, PH, STs, Defense, Refs, etc......

Once you can comprehend the fact it is a team sport and the TEAM lost the game by not being able to hold onto the football then maybe we can move past this utter bullshit that you keep trying to spew. Face it! Favre had a tremendous season. A season in which the Vikings would have never made it as far as they did without Favre.

So you can cry and complain and say that Favre is the reason they lost all you want. That's fine. Believe what you want. Anyone with true football knowledge knows it is not the case. Was he a part of the reason? Yes he was. But he holds as much ownership as the other 52 players on the roster and the coaching staff.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9513/owned2my0.png

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:34 PM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

You are just mad that not too many people get excited about TJ.

Cause he can't get us to the Super Bowl?.... oh... wait....

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:35 PM
marstc09 wrote:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9513/owned2my0.png

Sad... nothing to add but misspelled taunts and pictures that 8th graders use. Congrats.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 03:36 PM
C Mac D wrote:

I see people have problems reading on these boards.

Can you please show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl? Please... I'll wait.

Sure.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.


Any other questions?

Now go ahead and say that "Favre = Championship" doesn't mean guaranteed a championship even though you were commenting on a post by Marrdro that said exactly that. Go ahead. And then let's look back to the spinless move comment you made about me when you accused me of covering my own ass...

Give this one up C Mac. This isn't one you're going to win...

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:36 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Still waiting...

Me too.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:36 PM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Still waiting...

Me too.

For what? More "Owned" images?

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:38 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

lol... wonder why you're so defensive.

Can you show me where I said Childress will never win a playoff game? You may actually find it, but I'd like to see it.

Come on... some of us see through this. And then some of us just point figures at those stating facts and say, "He's twisting words.." because their opinion has been exposed as garbage.

Never said you did.

Wonder why you are so defensive.

Who is "us". Lol. Fail. You are in the band all by yourself. Lol.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:39 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

lol... wonder why you're so defensive.

Can you show me where I said Childress will never win a playoff game? You may actually find it, but I'd like to see it.

Come on... some of us see through this. And then some of us just point figures at those stating facts and say, "He's twisting words.." because their opinion has been exposed as garbage.

Never said you did.

Wonder why you are so defensive.

Who is "us"? Lol. Fail. You are in the band all by yourself. Lol.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:40 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

I see people have problems reading on these boards.

Can you please show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl? Please... I'll wait.

Sure.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.


Any other questions?

Now go ahead and say that "Favre = Championship" doesn't mean guaranteed a championship even though you were commenting on a post by Marrdro that said exactly that. Go ahead. And then let's look back to the spinless move comment you made about me when you accused me of covering my own ass...

Give this one up C Mac. This isn't one you're going to win...

Funny... I don't see the word "guarantee" is in there anywhere... nor do I see Nodak's name...

Interesting.

In fact, all I see is 100% fact.

Nodak put the lyrics in his sig despite the Super Bowl being held in Miami 3 times in the past decade or so, he had never put them in his sig before... and he put it in his sig the day we signed Favre.

Those are just facts. Some of us use logic and draw our own conclusions, but I still never said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl.

Again, these are just facts.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:41 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

No sense in arguing with him anymore. We all know how he rolls. You just have to sit back and laugh.

Not an original bone in your body. You insult me, yet steal my lines.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah, you just sorta have to laugh it off.

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1038721-will-vikings-open-at-new-orleans?limit=15&start=120

Is that all you got? It was done on purpose to rip on you. I knew it would fly over your head. Lol.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:41 PM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

lol... wonder why you're so defensive.

Can you show me where I said Childress will never win a playoff game? You may actually find it, but I'd like to see it.

Come on... some of us see through this. And then some of us just point figures at those stating facts and say, "He's twisting words.." because their opinion has been exposed as garbage.

Never said you did.

Wonder why you are so defensive.

Who is "us"? Lol. Fail. You are in the band all by yourself. Lol.

lol... This is like talking to a child.

OK, I never said Childress wouldn't win a playoff game.

So what was your point again?

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:44 PM
Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:45 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

http://jamiedubs.com/fuckflickr/data/owned/owned-water-on-school.jpg

lol... I see you don't repost the responses that negate previous posts. How convenient. Here you go though:

C Mac D wrote:

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

And it's spelled "Ridiculous"

And it's spelled "Owned" (again... no intelligent argument? Just put an "owned" picture up)

And these are the sorts of people that disagree with me... can't imagine why.

Nothing more needs to be said. Why should we fuel your sick and twisted world? Then you just fade away. Trust me it is better this way.

Owned.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:46 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

You are just mad that not too many people get excited about TJ.

Cause he can't get us to the Super Bowl?.... oh... wait....

Cause he can't get us past the Wild Card at home. Lol. Too easy.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:47 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:48 PM
lol... I'm arguing with a guy that can't spell "ridiculous" (ironic...) and a guy that posts pictures that would rival a 3rd graders intelligence and can't post anything longer than one sentence.

Hmm... why do I bother? lol.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:51 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

lol... wonder why you're so defensive.

Can you show me where I said Childress will never win a playoff game? You may actually find it, but I'd like to see it.

Come on... some of us see through this. And then some of us just point figures at those stating facts and say, "He's twisting words.." because their opinion has been exposed as garbage.

Never said you did.

Wonder why you are so defensive.

Who is "us"? Lol. Fail. You are in the band all by yourself. Lol.

lol... This is like talking to a child.

OK, I never said Childress wouldn't win a playoff game.

So what was your point again?

What's wrong C Mac? Am I getting to you. Lol.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:51 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Ok Mr. Childress will never win a playoff game, then I switch to Super Bowl.

Just because the Favre thread is lock does not mean that you can't find quotes to support your claim.

lol... wonder why you're so defensive.

Can you show me where I said Childress will never win a playoff game? You may actually find it, but I'd like to see it.

Come on... some of us see through this. And then some of us just point figures at those stating facts and say, "He's twisting words.." because their opinion has been exposed as garbage.

Never said you did.

Wonder why you are so defensive.

Who is "us"? Lol. Fail. You are in the band all by yourself. Lol.

lol... This is like talking to a child.

OK, I never said Childress wouldn't win a playoff game.

So what was your point again?

What's wrong C Mac? Am I getting to you? Lol.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 03:53 PM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

lol... that's because you're not reading. Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)

Either way, Favre didn't bring us to the Super Bowl but won us the division.

Wait... didn't Frerrotte and Jackson do that? lol.

JK, Favre had a great season but couldn't get over the hump. Again.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:54 PM
C Mac D wrote:

lol... I'm arguing with a guy that can't spell "ridiculous" (ironic...) and a guy that posts pictures that would rival a 3rd graders intelligence and can't post anything longer than one sentence.

Hmm... why do I bother? lol.

Nobody is making you log in and post here.

ejmat
02-15-2010, 03:54 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Still waiting...

Still waiting for what? For me to look through loads of BS just to see whether or not you said something? Please. Why don't you try to justify t=some of the other claims instead of having anyone answer meaningless shit? Oh wait.... I know. Because you can't justify it and you want to try to turn the attention elsewhere as you always do.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 03:56 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)
.

I am curious. Maybe I didn't read something but who accused you of saying that? Do you have a quote?

ejmat
02-15-2010, 03:58 PM
C Mac D wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Still waiting...

Nodak? ejmat? Still waiting... can you PLEASE show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl?

I'd love to see it, since you both tore me apart for saying just that... but I was unable to see where I said that.

So, please. Can you show me where I said that?

lol...

Whether you did or didn't does it really matter? Why don't you answer the freaking questions to the rest of my post. Besides where did I say YOU said Nodak guaranteed a superbowl? I didn't so throw that argument out the freaking door just like the rest of them. Just another feable attempt from you to try and twist the conversation. Good try!

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:05 PM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)
.

I am curious. Maybe I didn't read something but who accused you of saying that? Do you have a quote?

So, you edit my post... and then proceed to simply prove that you haven't read anything in this thread.

Hilarious.

Here you go:

NodakPaul wrote:

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes> Where did I say that? Oh... I didn't.


Also, lost in all this.... is your quote about Favre and the Super Bowl. You were hoping this would get buried in the thread?

lol...

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

marstc09
02-15-2010, 04:08 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)
.

I am curious. Maybe I didn't read something but who accused you of saying that? Do you have a quote?

So, you edit my post... and then proceed to simply prove that you haven't read anything in this thread.

Hilarious.

Here you go:

NodakPaul wrote:

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes> Where did I say that? Oh... I didn't.


Also, lost in all this.... is your quote about Favre and the Super Bowl. You were hoping this would get buried in the thread?

lol...

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

Keep digging. You have nothing. Lol everyone knows it. Just keep digging. It is fun watching you fail.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 04:10 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

I see people have problems reading on these boards.

Can you please show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl? Please... I'll wait.

Sure.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.


Any other questions?

Now go ahead and say that "Favre = Championship" doesn't mean guaranteed a championship even though you were commenting on a post by Marrdro that said exactly that. Go ahead. And then let's look back to the spinless move comment you made about me when you accused me of covering my own ass...

Give this one up C Mac. This isn't one you're going to win...

Funny... I don't see the word "guarantee" is in there anywhere... nor do I see Nodak's name...

Interesting.

In fact, all I see is 100% fact.

Nodak put the lyrics in his sig despite the Super Bowl being held in Miami 3 times in the past decade or so, he had never put them in his sig before... and he put it in his sig the day we signed Favre.

Those are just facts. Some of us use logic and draw our own conclusions, but I still never said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl.

Again, these are just facts.

LMAO. I did put those lyrics in my sig for the first time ever. You are correct that I put it up the day we signed Favre. I put it up and left it up because I felt that we had the best chance to go to the Super Bowl in a long, long time.

Not sure what your point is. Then again, I don't think you know what your point is anymore either. You originally tried to laugh at the Favre supporters, and then tried to change it around once your argument fell apart.

So now you claim that you never accused me of saying that Favre was going to bring us a Super Bowl.
Tell me, what did you mean by this statement then?


Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.

Who exactly made the Favre = Championship posts? Who are these people who seem to have forgotten that they posted that. When you say "some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.", who else, other than me, are you referring to? Where did I ever make a Favre = Championship post? What did I forget about posting?

Do you have an answer, or are you just going to change the subject again?

marstc09
02-15-2010, 04:14 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

I see people have problems reading on these boards.

Can you please show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl? Please... I'll wait.

Sure.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.


Any other questions?

Now go ahead and say that "Favre = Championship" doesn't mean guaranteed a championship even though you were commenting on a post by Marrdro that said exactly that. Go ahead. And then let's look back to the spinless move comment you made about me when you accused me of covering my own ass...

Give this one up C Mac. This isn't one you're going to win...

Funny... I don't see the word "guarantee" is in there anywhere... nor do I see Nodak's name...

Interesting.

In fact, all I see is 100% fact.

Nodak put the lyrics in his sig despite the Super Bowl being held in Miami 3 times in the past decade or so, he had never put them in his sig before... and he put it in his sig the day we signed Favre.

Those are just facts. Some of us use logic and draw our own conclusions, but I still never said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl.

Again, these are just facts.

LMAO. I did put those lyrics in my sig for the first time ever. You are correct that I put it up the day we signed Favre. I put it up and left it up because I felt that we had the best chance to go to the Super Bowl in a long, long time.

Not sure what your point is. Then again, I don't think you know what your point is anymore either. You originally tried to laugh at the Favre supporters, and then tried to change it around once your argument fell apart.

So now you claim that you never accused me of saying that Favre was going to bring us a Super Bowl.
Tell me, what did you mean by this statement then?


Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.

Who exactly made the Favre = Championship posts? Who are these people who seem to have forgotten that they posted that. When you say "some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.", who else, other than me, are you referring to? Where did I ever make a Favre = Championship post? What did I forget about posting?

Do you have an answer, or are you just going to change the subject again?

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:14 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

I see people have problems reading on these boards.

Can you please show me where I said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl? Please... I'll wait.

Sure.

C Mac D wrote:

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.


Any other questions?

Now go ahead and say that "Favre = Championship" doesn't mean guaranteed a championship even though you were commenting on a post by Marrdro that said exactly that. Go ahead. And then let's look back to the spinless move comment you made about me when you accused me of covering my own ass...

Give this one up C Mac. This isn't one you're going to win...

Funny... I don't see the word "guarantee" is in there anywhere... nor do I see Nodak's name...

Interesting.

In fact, all I see is 100% fact.

Nodak put the lyrics in his sig despite the Super Bowl being held in Miami 3 times in the past decade or so, he had never put them in his sig before... and he put it in his sig the day we signed Favre.

Those are just facts. Some of us use logic and draw our own conclusions, but I still never said Nodak guaranteed a Super Bowl.

Again, these are just facts.

LMAO. I did put those lyrics in my sig for the first time ever. You are correct that I put it up the day we signed Favre. I put it up and left it up because I felt that we had the best chance to go to the Super Bowl in a long, long time.

Not sure what your point is. Then again, I don't think you know what your point is anymore either. You originally tried to laugh at the Favre supporters, and then tried to change it around once your argument fell apart.

So now you claim that you never accused me of saying that Favre was going to bring us a Super Bowl.
Tell me, what did you mean by this statement then?


Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.

Who exactly made the Favre = Championship posts? Who are these people who seem to have forgotten that they posted that. When you say "some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.", who else, other than me, are you referring to? Where did I ever make a Favre = Championship post? What did I forget about posting?

Do you have an answer, or are you just going to change the subject again?

These accusations are just rediculous. (lol)

marstc09 was usually the one making Favre = Championship posts. I added your sig because it's funny, you put it up the day we signed Favre, and you simply hide behind "I'm an optimistic fan..." If you had a sense of humor, you'd find it funny too.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 04:16 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)
.

I am curious. Maybe I didn't read something but who accused you of saying that? Do you have a quote?

So, you edit my post... and then proceed to simply prove that you haven't read anything in this thread.

Hilarious.

Here you go:

NodakPaul wrote:

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes> Where did I say that? Oh... I didn't.


Also, lost in all this.... is your quote about Favre and the Super Bowl. You were hoping this would get buried in the thread?

lol...

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

So let me get this straight.

Mars says
Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.[quote] and THAT means that he said Favre guaranteed us a Super Bowl.

You say [quote]Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs. but you NEVER said that I guaranteed a Super Bowl there?

Do I ahve this straight? It really is hard to follow someone who changes their basis for judgement to suit the situation.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:18 PM
marstc09 wrote:

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

What? Again... here's your post from when we signed Favre:

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

Prophet
02-15-2010, 04:20 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

What? Again... here's your post from when we signed Favre:

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

http://purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=420#906051

C Mac D (11 Months, 4 Weeks ago):

...There is clearly no way that Favre should be playing for ANY NFL team next year.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:22 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:
[quote]Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)
.

I am curious. Maybe I didn't read something but who accused you of saying that? Do you have a quote?

So, you edit my post... and then proceed to simply prove that you haven't read anything in this thread.

Hilarious.

Here you go:

NodakPaul wrote:

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes> Where did I say that? Oh... I didn't.


Also, lost in all this.... is your quote about Favre and the Super Bowl. You were hoping this would get buried in the thread?

lol...

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

So let me get this straight.

Mars says
Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
and THAT means that he said Favre guaranteed us a Super Bowl.

You say
Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs. but you NEVER said that I guaranteed a Super Bowl there?

Do I ahve this straight? It really is hard to follow someone who changes their basis for judgement to suit the situation.

Rediculous, learn how to quote. (lol)

It's probably hard to follow my posts because their clearly written and I use correct spelling.

But seriously, people (mars...) was saying Favre = Super Bowl. That's that. Get over it.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 04:23 PM
Prophet wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

What? Again... here's your post from when we signed Favre:

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

http://purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=420#906051

C Mac D (11 Months, 4 Weeks ago):

...There is clearly no way that Favre should be playing for ANY NFL team next year.

LOL.

Clearly.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:24 PM
Prophet wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

What? Again... here's your post from when we signed Favre:

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

http://purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=420#906051

C Mac D (11 Months, 4 Weeks ago):

...There is clearly no way that Favre should be playing for ANY NFL team next year.

lol, nice find prophet! Finally some substance for an argument against me.

Now we can expect Nodak and Mars to use this as reference.

Prophet
02-15-2010, 04:25 PM
I had to look at the top and see what this thread was about again.

I'm confident that the opener will be on Thursday againts New Orleans. Favre will be back and will have to get back onto the horse that bucked him off in front of a crowd with overly inflated egos. Will be a great game.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 04:33 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

What? Again... here's your post from when we signed Favre:

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

Actually this is the post. Get it straight. Learn how to quote.


Very interesting thought. I actually could see that. What perfect way for him to stick it to the Packers by not making the playoffs. Now their pick is only a 3rd rounder. Prove in the beginning that you still have it. Maybe fake an injury. Could be the reason he is not getting any surgery. Get the Jets to not want you and release you. Not you get what you want and play for the Vikings. Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 04:35 PM
C Mac D wrote:

lol... I see you don't repost the responses that negate previous posts. How convenient. Here you go though:

C Mac D wrote:

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

And it's spelled "Ridiculous"

And it's spelled "Owned" (again... no intelligent argument? Just put an "owned" picture up)

And these are the sorts of people that disagree with me... can't imagine why.

You can always tell when C Mac knows he lost but doesn't want to admit it. He usually starts just laughing at people, or picking on spelling, or trying to do anything else he can to take the focus off from his "rediculous" argument. It is a fairly common tactic of the desperate.

Ad Hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 04:36 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:
[quote]Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)
.

I am curious. Maybe I didn't read something but who accused you of saying that? Do you have a quote?

So, you edit my post... and then proceed to simply prove that you haven't read anything in this thread.

Hilarious.

Here you go:

NodakPaul wrote:

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes> Where did I say that? Oh... I didn't.


Also, lost in all this.... is your quote about Favre and the Super Bowl. You were hoping this would get buried in the thread?

lol...

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

So let me get this straight.

Mars says
Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
and THAT means that he said Favre guaranteed us a Super Bowl.

You say
Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs. but you NEVER said that I guaranteed a Super Bowl there?

Do I ahve this straight? It really is hard to follow someone who changes their basis for judgement to suit the situation.

But seriously, people (mars...) was saying Favre = Super Bowl. That's that. Get over it.

Nice. Finally you said it. So I know ask you, do you have proof? Where is a quote? I will be waiting......

marstc09
02-15-2010, 04:37 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... I see you don't repost the responses that negate previous posts. How convenient. Here you go though:

C Mac D wrote:

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

And it's spelled "Ridiculous"

And it's spelled "Owned" (again... no intelligent argument? Just put an "owned" picture up)

And these are the sorts of people that disagree with me... can't imagine why.

You can always tell when C Mac knows he lost but doesn't want to admit it. He usually starts just laughing at people, or picking on spelling, or trying to do anything else he can to take the focus off from his "rediculous" argument. It is a fairly common tactic of the desperate.

Ad Hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

It is funny because he has spelling mistakes too.

marstc09
02-15-2010, 04:41 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

WOW! C Mac D fails again. Who would of thunk? I am sure he will back peddle. Wait for it.......wait for it.......

What? Again... here's your post from when we signed Favre:

marstc09 wrote:

Favre wins in the end and so do we. Super Bowl here we come.
;D

http://purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=420#906051

C Mac D (11 Months, 4 Weeks ago):

...There is clearly no way that Favre should be playing for ANY NFL team next year.

lol, nice find prophet! Finally some substance for an argument against me.

Now we can expect Nodak and Mars to use this as reference.

Sentences start with a capital letter.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:41 PM
marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... I see you don't repost the responses that negate previous posts. How convenient. Here you go though:

C Mac D wrote:

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

And it's spelled "Ridiculous"

And it's spelled "Owned" (again... no intelligent argument? Just put an "owned" picture up)

And these are the sorts of people that disagree with me... can't imagine why.

You can always tell when C Mac knows he lost but doesn't want to admit it. He usually starts just laughing at people, or picking on spelling, or trying to do anything else he can to take the focus off from his "rediculous" argument. It is a fairly common tactic of the desperate.

Ad Hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

It is funny because he has spelling mistakes too.

So, you want me to restate my reasons yet again? Not really sure what you want me to do... you guys wiggle your way out anyways.

Nodak:
Put lyrics to "welcome to miami" in his sig the day we signed Favre... this is his first time ever putting the lyrics in his sig, despite the SB being held in Miami 3 times over the past decade or so... says he's just an "optimistic fan". What does that make you every other year you didn't put it in your sig?

Mars:
Said Favre would bring us a Super Bowl. Plain and simple.

C Mac D:
Has a chiseled jaw that women go crazy for. Intelligent. Warm. Friendly. Pretty much a perfect human being.

Prophet
02-15-2010, 04:41 PM
I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun argument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 04:46 PM
Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 04:55 PM
C Mac D wrote:

So, you want me to restate my reasons yet again? Not really sure what you want me to do... you guys wiggle your way out anyways.

Nodak:
Put lyrics to "welcome to miami" in his sig the day we signed Favre... this is his first time ever putting the lyrics in his sig, despite the SB being held in Miami 3 times over the past decade or so... says he's just an "optimistic fan". What does that make you every other year you didn't put it in your sig?

Mars:
Said Favre would bring us a Super Bowl. Plain and simple.

C Mac D:
Has a chiseled jaw that women go crazy for. Intelligent. Warm. Friendly. Pretty much a perfect human being.

Ah... I didn't realize I was arguing with a near-perfect human being. I thought that stopped when TW was kicked off.

Anyway, what does that make me every other year? Well, I guess it makes me not as optimistic as I was last year... Granted, I think we are going to the Super Bowl every year - I was/am just a helluva lot more optimistic with Favre under center than TJack.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 04:56 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 05:03 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

So, you want me to restate my reasons yet again? Not really sure what you want me to do... you guys wiggle your way out anyways.

Nodak:
Put lyrics to "welcome to miami" in his sig the day we signed Favre... this is his first time ever putting the lyrics in his sig, despite the SB being held in Miami 3 times over the past decade or so... says he's just an "optimistic fan". What does that make you every other year you didn't put it in your sig?

Mars:
Said Favre would bring us a Super Bowl. Plain and simple.

C Mac D:
Has a chiseled jaw that women go crazy for. Intelligent. Warm. Friendly. Pretty much a perfect human being.

Ah... I didn't realize I was arguing with a near-perfect human being. I thought that stopped when TW was kicked off.

Anyway, what does that make me every other year? Well, I guess it makes me not as optimistic as I was last year... Granted, I think we are going to the Super Bowl every year - I was/am just a helluva lot more optimistic with Favre under center than TJack.

Ah, group me with TW so people associate us together. How transparent of you.

And, while Favre gives us the best chance to win in the regular season, he just can't get passed the NFCC game. We've seen it the past 14 years.

I can see you've already written off Jackson only after one playoff appearance.

That makes sense.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 05:04 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

So, you want me to restate my reasons yet again? Not really sure what you want me to do... you guys wiggle your way out anyways.

Nodak:
Put lyrics to "welcome to miami" in his sig the day we signed Favre... this is his first time ever putting the lyrics in his sig, despite the SB being held in Miami 3 times over the past decade or so... says he's just an "optimistic fan". What does that make you every other year you didn't put it in your sig?

Mars:
Said Favre would bring us a Super Bowl. Plain and simple.

C Mac D:
Has a chiseled jaw that women go crazy for. Intelligent. Warm. Friendly. Pretty much a perfect human being.

Ah... I didn't realize I was arguing with a near-perfect human being. I thought that stopped when TW was kicked off.

Anyway, what does that make me every other year? Well, I guess it makes me not as optimistic as I was last year... Granted, I think we are going to the Super Bowl every year - I was/am just a helluva lot more optimistic with Favre under center than TJack.

Ah, group me with TW so people associate us together. How transparent of you.

And, while Favre gives us the best chance to win in the regular season, he just can't get passed the NFCC game. We've seen it the past 14 years.

I can see you've already written off Jackson only after one playoff appearance.

That makes sense.

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 05:10 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.

fanofteam
02-15-2010, 05:47 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

lol... that's because you're not reading. Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)

Either way, Favre didn't bring us to the Super Bowl but won us the division.

Wait... didn't Frerrotte and Jackson do that? lol.



Frerotte won the division, if he doesn't step in NO WAY the Vikes win the division. Don;t forget how much GB improved from 2008 to 2009 and given their late season push I expect them to be better in 2010.

If TJ is the QB and the much tougher schedule this team may win 8 games in 2010

fanofteam
02-15-2010, 05:47 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

lol... that's because you're not reading. Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)

Either way, Favre didn't bring us to the Super Bowl but won us the division.

Wait... didn't Frerrotte and Jackson do that? lol.



Frerotte won the division, if he doesn't step in NO WAY the Vikes win the division. Don;t forget how much GB improved from 2008 to 2009 and given their late season push I expect them to be better in 2010.

If TJ is the QB and the much tougher schedule this team may win 8 games in 2010

fanofteam
02-15-2010, 05:47 PM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

lol... that's because you're not reading. Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)

Either way, Favre didn't bring us to the Super Bowl but won us the division.

Wait... didn't Frerrotte and Jackson do that? lol.



Frerotte won the division, if he doesn't step in NO WAY the Vikes win the division. Don;t forget how much GB improved from 2008 to 2009 and given their late season push I expect them to be better in 2010.

If TJ is the QB and the much tougher schedule this team may win 8 games in 2010

C Mac D
02-15-2010, 05:47 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I will say this: Last year I said anything less than a Super Bowl win would be a failure for the Favre project. I couldn't foresee a way that the year would be a success without a SB victory.

In all honesty, I feel completely wrong about that. Even without the SB, Favre made this a great year. While, yes, I give him crap for the NFCC game and question whether or not a 41 year old Favre will be able to do any better than 40 year old Favre, I still say this was a great year.

I think we all know who I blame for the NFCC.

NodakPaul
02-15-2010, 05:53 PM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I will say this: Last year I said anything less than a Super Bowl win would be a failure for the Favre project. I couldn't foresee a way that the year would be a success without a SB victory.

In all honesty, I feel completely wrong about that. Even without the SB, Favre made this a great year. While, yes, I give him crap for the NFCC game and question whether or not a 41 year old Favre will be able to do any better than 40 year old Favre, I still say this was a great year.

I think we all know who I blame for the NFCC.

Fair enough.

And I won't even argue about the blame for the NFCCG. In the end, the coach gets the blame for stupid mistakes. He is the coach, it is his job to make sure those don't happen. Between 12 men in the huddle, the six fumbles, and 2 INTs, those were stupid mistakes by the players, and it was Childress's job to have them prepared and ready to go. Obviously they weren't. I don't think it makes him a poor coach, but IMHO I do think that he shoulders the brunt of the blame for the loss.

ejmat
02-16-2010, 06:21 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I will say this: Last year I said anything less than a Super Bowl win would be a failure for the Favre project. I couldn't foresee a way that the year would be a success without a SB victory.

In all honesty, I feel completely wrong about that. Even without the SB, Favre made this a great year. While, yes, I give him crap for the NFCC game and question whether or not a 41 year old Favre will be able to do any better than 40 year old Favre, I still say this was a great year.

I think we all know who I blame for the NFCC.

Fair enough.

And I won't even argue about the blame for the NFCCG. In the end, the coach gets the blame for stupid mistakes. He is the coach, it is his job to make sure those don't happen. Between 12 men in the huddle, the six fumbles, and 2 INTs, those were stupid mistakes by the players, and it was Childress's job to have them prepared and ready to go. Obviously they weren't. I don't think it makes him a poor coach, but IMHO I do think that he shoulders the brunt of the blame for the loss.

I think he shoulders the brunt of the blame for the 12 men penalty. Other than that, he coached a darn good football game. Yes, it is his job to prepare the team and they were prepared. The offense played well and so did the defense. Unfortunately fumbles and INTs hurt the team. There is nothing a coach can do about that. These guys are professional football players. If they don't hang on to the ball it is their own mistake. No one elses. The coaches shouldn't have to preach that in this stage of their careers. The VIkings had the 3rd fewest turnovers in the league this year. It's not like Childress all of the sudden stopped coaching. Fumbles and INTs are the players blame. No one elses.

That being said, the FO need to spend the time and money to get someone in there to train AP how to hold onto the football. I don't worry too much about Berrian or Harvin. That was a fluke that hasn't happened all year. Reynaud, maybe. At this stage there is nothing you can do about Favre.

I will say this too. I agree with you CMac. As much as I like Brett Favre and as happy as I am he is a VIking, I do question whether or not he will be able to have the same calibur season next year. However, as of right now he is the best QB the team has.

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:29 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

Maybe these quotes would work better for you.
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

Hmmmm, that was posted more than 8 months ago - LONG before the season started. Not are we through with the bullshit about Favre supporters saying a SB was a lock. Not a single one ever said that.

Although ones like this are pretty funny too:
Marrdro wrote:

Would they be better with

a.
LNAD and without Whinny?

or

b.
Sage/TJ and Whinny?

Long story short, there is a big possibility here that we might not be able to resign a few guys if/when they get a deal done with LNAD.

God Marrdro, you were trying to paint Favre in every negative light possible long before he even signed. He puts up an amazing year, brings the Vikes farther then they have been in a decade, gave them the best chance (IMHO) of getting to and winning a Super Bowl in 30 years, and some people STILL try to put as much negative spin on it as possible.

First he was going to cost us core players. That didn't happen, so then he was going to destroy the locker room. Than didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFC North. That didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFCCG. Well, he didn't break down, but I guess you can argue that he had a significant role in that loss. Of course you can also argue that he had a significant role in us even making it to overtime... And NOW you are trying to play the "I told you so" card? I don't think so.
I dont' like the guy, what can I say?

In the end, did he deliver? NOPE. Guess I was right about something.

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:37 AM
Prophet wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

...And for the record I think Marrdro is a stubborn idiot.

I'm guessing that will get you knocked down a few notches in the spreadsheet.
Naw, I know my good friend Nodak is frustrated with me, mostly cause I am a stubborn idiot.

On a side note, hasn't this thread took a turn for the worse. Glad I didn't post all the other links I found were the word Superbowl and Noodle were included. I didn't think they would own up to them cause the word "Guarantee" wasn't included....

We are a Qb away from the Superbowl (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=705#941775)

"Add him and SUPERBOWL HOMEBOY". (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=645#941433)

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:42 AM
ejmat wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Ah yes your usual comment that is backed up with no proof. Like usual it will be followed up with I don't want to go search. Riiiiiiiiight. I will be waiting.

Favre did exactly what I said he would. He would give us the best chance to see a Super Bowl.

I will be waiting. Lol.
Oh so its the "Best Chance" now. LOL.

As to proof. You sound like Z more and more each day. Let me go see if I can make the search function work.

Let's be realistic here Marrdro. Nobody - NOBODY - ever guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre. But a LOT of people said he gave us the best chance to win.

Find me a quote where someone actually guaranteed a Super Bowl win with Favre at the helm, and I will buy you a ticket to the game of your choice in 2010. But if you don't find one you buy me one. Sound good?
OK, its easy to say "Bet you can't find one" when you know I am having problems with the search function..... :P

Were the hell is Singer when I need him?

In all seriousness though, alot of you guys sure were hyped and were sure we were going and your posts followed that train of thought.

Yeah... that's funny. I remember a lot of Favre = Championship posts... too bad the Favre thread is locked. It's even funnier how those very people forget they posted that... hell, some even put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sigs.

And I still find it funny how people just attack Jackson whenever someone questions anything about Favre, trying save face because of his Gary Anderson-esque NFC Championship performance.


(Gary Anderson-esque. lol, thank you. I'm here all week.)

Oh Bullshit. Find me one place where i ever said that a super bowl was a lock. You can't, because I never said it. Favre didn't even say it. Nobody is stupid enough to say it because there are no guarantees in football.

Did I think he gave us the best chance? Yup, and I said that a lot. So did pretty much everyone else. In fact, I think we had a very, very good chance with Favre. And you know what? It turns out he DID give us an amazing chance. Nobody changed their turn, nobody is trying to backtrack (except for the people who were convinced he would fail miserably).

The best you can get is "Super Bowl here we come." and the song lyrics in my sig. That is called being excited for the team and the season. That is called being optimistic. That is called hoping for the opportunity, and being happy that we had the best chance to get there in a long, long time.

lol... whatever makes you feel better about it.

Are you gonna post the lyrics to Welcome "Back to Hattiesburg" now? (I think Wyclef does it...)

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

But you're right. I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl win with Favre... <rolls eyes>

All I see is you being good at covering your ass... you never take one side of an argument so no one can ever say your wrong. Some of us can see past this, you do it a lot. It's a pretty spineless move.

You really are rediculous.

First you say that I was guaranteeing a Super Bowl. I provide you a direct quote that shows that I never did that (nor would I - that would be stupid), and now I am covering my ass in a spineless move? Give me a break.

I am wrong quite often. Unlike you, I admit it when I am. For instance, with Sage, I was wrong. With Favre, I wasn't. Unless someone is a complete idiot or supernaturally stubborn (or both), they can see understand the difference between covering one's ass and being honest from the beginning. I think all but a select few on this forum can see that. And for the record I think Marrdro is stubborn, but not an idiot.

NP - you have to know by now CMac is notorious for twisting things people say and bringing things up months later to see if maybe people forgot. It will never end.

I don't remember anyone guaranteeing a freaking superbowl. Not Mars, NP, Caine or even I did. But yes we all believed (and still do) Favre gave the Vikings a better shot at winning. CMac calls that spineless. I call that realism.

Here is what reality is. Please try to debate any one of them.

- Reality is Favre gave the VIkings a better chance to make the superbowl than did TJ or Sage.
-Realism is TJ has never proven a freaking thing yet except for he can play well during the preseason.
- Realism is Favre brought us within an OT of playing in the superbowl.

Now all you going to do is say well he threw the INT that lost the game. I will once again rebutt that by saying that INT happened in the 4th quarter. The Vikings lost in OT. So you may as well forget that try. There were several reason why the VIkings lost that game. Favre is one of those reasons just as is, AP, BB, PH, STs, Defense, Refs, etc......

Once you can comprehend the fact it is a team sport and the TEAM lost the game by not being able to hold onto the football then maybe we can move past this utter bullshit that you keep trying to spew. Face it! Favre had a tremendous season. A season in which the Vikings would have never made it as far as they did without Favre.

So you can cry and complain and say that Favre is the reason they lost all you want. That's fine. Believe what you want. Anyone with true football knowledge knows it is not the case. Was he a part of the reason? Yes he was. But he holds as much ownership as the other 52 players on the roster and the coaching staff.
Comeon EJ, please don't default back to the "What has TJ proved" discussion point.

Other than that, good post.

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:45 AM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

LMFAO! Please Marrdro you know better than that. Stretch and pull all you want. There is no guarantee in that post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHaaa
.....snicker......Now we're having fun..... :laugh:

Knew you would say that. I found on post were you were putting in a Lombardy trophy, didn't include that one either because of the "Gaurantee" loop hole.

Your a crafty man my friend. Crafty indeed, but I'm on to ya. ;)

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:50 AM
C Mac D wrote:

lol... I'm arguing with a guy that can't spell "ridiculous" (ironic...) and a guy that posts pictures that would rival a 3rd graders intelligence and can't post anything longer than one sentence.

Hmm... why do I bother? lol.
Have you taken over as the "Official PPO Spell Checker" now? :ohmy:

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:53 AM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Mars, if you'd like to have an actual discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me you can't hang though... I think it's your reliance on the "owned" pictures.

You have said nothing worthy this whole time.

lol... that's because you're not reading. Most of the time I was defending myself against things I never said. Still waiting to see that proof, btw (nodak? ejmat?)

Either way, Favre didn't bring us to the Super Bowl but won us the division.

Wait... didn't Frerrotte and Jackson do that? lol.

JK, Favre had a great season but couldn't get over the hump. Again.
Which gets us back to the whole beginning of this discussion doesn't it. Doesn't matter that they didn't use the word "Gaurantee". Damn near everyone on here bought into the hype and were convinced we were SB bound.

Hell, even I will admit I was starting to think that way after the Noodle made it through the season and the other teams started to fail around us.

In the end, the great one couldn't carry the team and eventually made a bad decision which ended the season.

Nothing more, nothing less. As I said earlier, lets move on. Next year looks to be even more promising, even with the Noodle at QB.

Put it on the wall, I gaurantee a SB win next year.... :P

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 06:56 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

LOL.

Clearly.
OK, thats some funny shit right thar......

ejmat
02-16-2010, 06:56 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Prophet wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

...And for the record I think Marrdro is a stubborn idiot.

I'm guessing that will get you knocked down a few notches in the spreadsheet.
Naw, I know my good friend Nodak is frustrated with me, mostly cause I am a stubborn idiot.

On a side note, hasn't this thread took a turn for the worse. Glad I didn't post all the other links I found were the word Superbowl and Noodle were included. I didn't think they would own up to them cause the word "Guarantee" wasn't included....

We are a Qb away from the Superbowl (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=705#941775)

"Add him and SUPERBOWL HOMEBOY". (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=645#941433)

Look, this whole Favre debate really needs to come to an end. He had a great year. Better than anyone expected. The Vikings came very close to going to the Superbowl. The bottom line they didn't. Guess what? Neither did 29 other teams to incloude QBs such as Brady, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers, Warner, Big Ben, etc....

No one guaranteed the Vikings get there however a lot of people said he gave them the best chance to get there. Every single one of us (Favre-backes) still stand behind that. The fact we came very close even with 5 turnovers, a hostile crowd and refs that seemed to want NO in the Superbowl they still almost made it. Did Favre make mistakes? Yes he did. So did many other players. Let's put it this way. Without Favre this team has difficulty even making the freaking playoffs never mind making it to the NFCCG. Be freaking happy at the opportunity. Only 4 teams had that opportunity and the Vikings were one of them.

Some people think it wasn't a success just because they didn't make the Superbowl. I can somewhat understand that since it is the ultimate goal of every season. But to say the Vikings weren't successful this year is downright ludicrous. As NP said, the Favre bashers questioned Favre from the very beginning. If Favre proved them wrong in one area they would make up another one. Out of all the questions there was just 1 that Favre didn't deliver. That was getting us to the superbowl. So if the Favre bashers are going to come in and say "I told you so" bullshit than sobeit. Because you know what? I can sit here and do the same on so many more levels. But to even take it further you can't tell me or any other Favre supporters "I told you so" because the simple fact is none of us, I repeat, none of us predicted they would go to the superbowl. We said that Favre gave us the best chance to go and you know what? We (the Favre supporters) were right again.

So for this conversation to keep going on and on is downright crazy and I apologize for using this word but it's stupid. Everyone knows Favre had a great year. Everyone knows he answered every single question that was looming. The only thing he didn't deliver is a superbowl. But it wasn't because he broke down as those of you Favre bashers predicted. It was because the team gave the freaking game away. TEAM, not Favre.

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 07:01 AM
ejmat wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Prophet wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

...And for the record I think Marrdro is a stubborn idiot.

I'm guessing that will get you knocked down a few notches in the spreadsheet.
Naw, I know my good friend Nodak is frustrated with me, mostly cause I am a stubborn idiot.

On a side note, hasn't this thread took a turn for the worse. Glad I didn't post all the other links I found were the word Superbowl and Noodle were included. I didn't think they would own up to them cause the word "Guarantee" wasn't included....

We are a Qb away from the Superbowl (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=705#941775)

"Add him and SUPERBOWL HOMEBOY". (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=645#941433)

Look, this whole Favre debate really needs to come to an end. He had a great year. Better than anyone expected. The Vikings came very close to going to the Superbowl. The bottom line they didn't. Guess what? Neither did 29 other teams to incloude QBs such as Brady, McNabb, Cutler, Rodgers, Warner, Big Ben, etc....

No one guaranteed the Vikings get there however a lot of people said he gave them the best chance to get there. Every single one of us (Favre-backes) still stand behind that. The fact we came very close even with 5 turnovers, a hostile crowd and refs that seemed to want NO in the Superbowl they still almost made it. Did Favre make mistakes? Yes he did. So did many other players. Let's put it this way. Without Favre this team has difficulty even making the freaking playoffs never mind making it to the NFCCG. Be freaking happy at the opportunity. Only 4 teams had that opportunity and the Vikings were one of them.

Some people think it wasn't a success just because they didn't make the Superbowl. I can somewhat understand that since it is the ultimate goal of every season. But to say the Vikings weren't successful this year is downright ludicrous. As NP said, the Favre bashers questioned Favre from the very beginning. If Favre proved them wrong in one area they would make up another one. Out of all the questions there was just 1 that Favre didn't deliver. That was getting us to the superbowl. So if the Favre bashers are going to come in and say "I told you so" bullshit than sobeit. Because you know what? I can sit here and do the same on so many more levels. But to even take it further you can't tell me or any other Favre supporters "I told you so" because the simple fact is none of us, I repeat, none of us predicted they would go to the superbowl. We said that Favre gave us the best chance to go and you know what? We (the Favre supporters) were right again.

So for this conversation to keep going on and on is downright crazy and I apologize for using this word but it's stupid. Everyone knows Favre had a great year. Everyone knows he answered every single question that was looming. The only thing he didn't deliver is a superbowl. But it wasn't because he broke down as those of you Favre bashers predicted. It was because the team gave the freaking game away. TEAM, not Favre.
The Noodle debate will never end my friend. In a way it is kindof fun when you think about it and take it with a bit of levity.

Problem is, both sides of the debate have thier points that niether side wants to come off of.

I got an idea, lets start talking about the offseason and what the Vikes and other teams are gonna do. Sure wish someone would start some threads on that......

Usually they lead to some pretty good discussions..... ;)

Marrdro
02-16-2010, 07:03 AM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.
Didn't you also say that he would.....

a. Make it so teams wouldn't put 8 in the box.
b. Make the OL better cause of his quick release.

......Kindof stuff or was that me? I can't remember.

ejmat
02-16-2010, 07:32 AM
Marrdro wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.
Didn't you also say that he would.....

a. Make it so teams wouldn't put 8 in the box.
b. Make the OL better cause of his quick release.

......Kindof stuff or was that me? I can't remember.

I was one of the people that said teams would stop stacking the box. I admit it. I was wrong. However, I also stated if teams continue to stack the box Favre will burn them. That did happen.

As far as the OL is concerned, yes Favre did make the OL better. Was it great? Nope. But imagine the inexperience of TJ and Sage back there and if there weren't more hurries I would be very surprised. I can't say there would have or wouldn't have been the same amount of sacks because truth is both TJ and Sage are more atheletic than Favre. However I would predict there would be more turnovers. Let's not forget the Vikings had the 3rd fewest turnovers in the league. A lot of that is contrinuted to Favre being the QB. Like it or not.

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:13 AM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... I see you don't repost the responses that negate previous posts. How convenient. Here you go though:

C Mac D wrote:

First of all, it's "ridiculous"...

Second of all, can you show me where I said you guaranteed a Super Bowl victory? I said some members put the lyrics to "Welcome to Miami" in their sig... which you did. That's all I said. You can say it was "Just being an optimistic fan..." but you just happen to put it up the day we signed Favre... lol.

And did we bring in Favre for a Super Bowl victory or a NFCC loss?

And it's spelled "Ridiculous"

And it's spelled "Owned" (again... no intelligent argument? Just put an "owned" picture up)

And these are the sorts of people that disagree with me... can't imagine why.

You can always tell when C Mac knows he lost but doesn't want to admit it. He usually starts just laughing at people, or picking on spelling, or trying to do anything else he can to take the focus off from his "rediculous" argument. It is a fairly common tactic of the desperate.

Ad Hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument toward the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

It is funny because he has spelling mistakes too.

So, you want me to restate my reasons yet again? Not really sure what you want me to do... you guys wiggle your way out anyways.

Mars:
Said Favre would bring us a Super Bowl. Plain and simple.



Still waiting on that quote..................

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:15 AM
C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

I did initially bet Singer but backed off. Keep trying C Mac, I need to pass the day. Still waiting....................

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:17 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

So, you want me to restate my reasons yet again? Not really sure what you want me to do... you guys wiggle your way out anyways.

Nodak:
Put lyrics to "welcome to miami" in his sig the day we signed Favre... this is his first time ever putting the lyrics in his sig, despite the SB being held in Miami 3 times over the past decade or so... says he's just an "optimistic fan". What does that make you every other year you didn't put it in your sig?

Mars:
Said Favre would bring us a Super Bowl. Plain and simple.

C Mac D:
Has a chiseled jaw that women go crazy for. Intelligent. Warm. Friendly. Pretty much a perfect human being.

Anyway, what does that make me every other year? Well, I guess it makes me not as optimistic as I was last year... Granted, I think we are going to the Super Bowl every year - I was/am just a helluva lot more optimistic with Favre under center than TJack.

Yeah I am not sure why he can't get that through his head. Oh wait yes I can....it is C Mac.

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:23 AM
C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.

Good lord you forget things quickly.

http://purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=420#906051

C Mac D (11 Months, 4 Weeks ago):

...There is clearly no way that Favre should be playing for ANY NFL team next year.

Clearly.

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:27 AM
Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

Maybe these quotes would work better for you.
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

Hmmmm, that was posted more than 8 months ago - LONG before the season started. Not are we through with the bullshit about Favre supporters saying a SB was a lock. Not a single one ever said that.

Although ones like this are pretty funny too:
Marrdro wrote:

Would they be better with

a.
LNAD and without Whinny?

or

b.
Sage/TJ and Whinny?

Long story short, there is a big possibility here that we might not be able to resign a few guys if/when they get a deal done with LNAD.

God Marrdro, you were trying to paint Favre in every negative light possible long before he even signed. He puts up an amazing year, brings the Vikes farther then they have been in a decade, gave them the best chance (IMHO) of getting to and winning a Super Bowl in 30 years, and some people STILL try to put as much negative spin on it as possible.

First he was going to cost us core players. That didn't happen, so then he was going to destroy the locker room. Than didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFC North. That didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFCCG. Well, he didn't break down, but I guess you can argue that he had a significant role in that loss. Of course you can also argue that he had a significant role in us even making it to overtime... And NOW you are trying to play the "I told you so" card? I don't think so.
I dont' like the guy, what can I say?

In the end, did he deliver? NOPE. Guess I was right about something.

We haven't had a QB deliver in 50 seasons. Congrats Nostradamus.

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:31 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Prophet wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

...And for the record I think Marrdro is a stubborn idiot.

I'm guessing that will get you knocked down a few notches in the spreadsheet.
Naw, I know my good friend Nodak is frustrated with me, mostly cause I am a stubborn idiot.

On a side note, hasn't this thread took a turn for the worse. Glad I didn't post all the other links I found were the word Superbowl and Noodle were included. I didn't think they would own up to them cause the word "Guarantee" wasn't included....

We are a Qb away from the Superbowl (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=705#941775)

"Add him and SUPERBOWL HOMEBOY". (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=645#941433)

Nice links. I love my quotes.


That gives us a better chance against playoff teams.


I am rock hard right now!

Anything else?

marstc09
02-16-2010, 08:36 AM
Marrdro wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

Prophet wrote:

I didn' even say that, but, if I did, I would not be embarassed. It would have been a helluva call going into the season with Favre at the helm. This season would not have proven me wrong to the extent that the Favre doubters were proven wrong. The Favre doubters were wrong on damn near everything from his arm not holding up, to not mentoring, to not being able to throw the deep ball, etc. If you said they were going to win the SB with Favre at the helm it took 5 turnovers and a loss in OT on the road in the NFCCG to be 'proven' wrong. Seconds away from playing in the big dance against a subpar team in the Colts. Not that crazy of a prediction in retrospect.

Fun agrument though, gets me primed up for dealing with any potential arguments with the cub scouts tonight.

That's really what I doen't get. Why is everyen so defensive? Just man up and saey, "Yeah, I did it... so whaot?"

Everyon (mostly Nodaks and mar) is so afrayd of being proven ronge... they immediately spout out excuses turn to insults.

Honestly though, it's a rediculous argument and I shouldn't even bother wasting my tiem.

If I said it, I would man up. Which is more than I can say for you, since you have never manned up to being wrong about Favre.

I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.
Didn't you also say that he would.....

a. Make it so teams wouldn't put 8 in the box.
b. Make the OL better cause of his quick release.

......Kindof stuff or was that me? I can't remember.

How did he not make the OL better? We had one rookie, one 1st year starter, and and injured Hutch? They should have sucked all year. They didn't. Why? Favres quick release. Come on Marrdro that is basic knowledge. IMO I saw less in the box. Not completely gone but less. So what are you trying to say?

Prophet
02-16-2010, 08:56 AM
C Mac D wrote:

...I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.

If you look at the last 10 quarters of play, the second half of the Bears game, the spanking of the pies, and the offensive production against the Saints, the team was on fire at the end of the season. Too bad it worked out the way it did. Although, I really think that TJack or Rosenfels could have beaten the pies because that was complete dominance of the the defense. The Saints? Well, based on TJack's ability to be injured every year versus the 'old guy' that plays every game I would be willing to bet that TJack would have been out with an 'owie' early in the game.

If you look back at the majority of the losses the Vikings have had since Childress began his tenure they were by a score or less. A team that couldn't get over the barrier of consistently winning the close games.

They did a lot better job of that last year. If you think that TJack or Rosenfels would have gotten the team a first round bye, well, that's what you think, I will never think that and neither of us will ever know what would have happened. We will never know based on last year's team. I'll bet that Sullivan would have had a much more difficult transition and all the players that gave Favre credit were probably just making it up, that makes the most sense. I do agree that the team is relatively solid and can't help but think that TJack and Rosenfels have to be better than they were last year at this time because, contrary to some opinions, Favre did mentor them (although it is put upon the shoulder of the individual to be assertive and take advantage of the situation they are in).

In order to have a championship team the team has to be solid on offense, defense, and special teams. When one or more of those teams gets into a funk another team will cover. The powerful offenses without a defense will not be consistent, the powerful defenses without an offense will not be consistent. The powerful defenses with crappy special teams will consistently be frustrated when the opposing team regularly gets good field position (the #1 weakness in the Vikings '09 team).

The anti-Favre argument is weak. It is like the foundation of the average building in Haiti and cannot stand up to scrutiny. The 'win a superbowl' argument as a basis for having a successful team in a given year is something we all want, but, it is unrealistic to 31 teams and most fans. There are too many things that can happen in a violent game with a one-and-done playoff setup.

jargomcfargo
02-16-2010, 09:04 AM
The team failed to go to the superbowl.

It's easy to look backwards and say I told you so about any particular incident.

The team failed to get over the hump.

Only a noodle brain would infer the quarterback was the weak link.
It would also require a noodle brain to accept the premise that one can support an arguement or prediction based on one play and ignore all others.

This team was a quantum leap better than any we have had for a long time.
That led to exuberance and optomism.In that, I find no fault.

No one player was responsible for the outcome, win or lose.

I won't say the quarterback won the 49er game, nor lost the Saints game.

I will say this is a good team. I expect it to remain so, even though some personel will change, including IMO, the quarterback.

Prophet
02-16-2010, 09:55 AM
Marrdro wrote:

....Didn't you also say that he would.....

a. Make it so teams wouldn't put 8 in the box.
b. Make the OL better cause of his quick release.

......Kindof stuff or was that me? I can't remember.

I remember saying something along those lines, which was based off the year when the Packers went 13-3 with half their o-line made up of rookies. They did stack the box a lot, but, the difference is that the KAO still worked because, well, there was a QB that could read defenses and get the job done. When the team is one-dimensional you stack the box and then pray that something opens up. Not a bad premise to say that and it did work out with the box not being stacked as much as it had been with the bollingers of the world at QB.

The o-line had all sorts of problems and did some things well. That discussion could go on all offseason. If you just look at the NFCCG, where Favre may have been beaten into retirement, the coaches were asking for the line to hold their own while sending a lot of receivers out so Favre could find one against the Saints relatively good secondary. The o-line was owned for the most part, but the strategy produced a lot of yards. Conversely, the Saints had TEs and RBs helping the o-line on every play and their relatively lackluster offensive production showed that.

Of course we could go play-by-play or series by series all year and talk about the different blocking schemes on the o-line or we could just look at the big picture for the season. The Vikings finished at 12-4 and lost in OT, on the road, in the NFCCG. They had every opportunity to host the NFCCG, but, they flat out choked at the end of the season. Yes, the team choked. If you want to lay that on Favre then go back and eat crow on the thousands of posts where you are preaching about the coaching staff and that it is a team game.

What is the most pathetic thing about this whole ordeal is that you used to be a big proponent of this is a team game and if a player like Randy Moss goes somewhere else, then the team moves on. Then, hypocritically, the exact same thing happens, a player comes on the team in a team game, and you dig deep for every possible flaw before the first snap is taken and were proven completely wrong on all, yes all, of your presumptions. The whole 'can't throw it deep' and 'will never hold up' and 'won't mentor' and will 'cause us to lose veterans due to the signing' and on and on an on and on. You lost credibility on the site, then say stuff like how can you lose credibility on the Internet? Yet again hypocritical, when you are the person spouting off about spreadsheets.

Yes, it's all in fun. But, if you are going to carry the philosophy that this is a team game (which it is regardless of what anyone wants to believe), then you can't lay blame on an individual for the end of the season and expect that to stick. In rare instances it may be more palatable to attempt to do that. In the NFCCG? A shitload of turnovers, a bad coaching call, phantom PI calls, etc. The team lost and fought with heart, on the road, and it took OT for the home team to win when the Vikings were giving them the ball faster than gregair can post pictures of scantily clad women. Brett Favre played with more heart in that game than I have seen since watching Jack Lambert play with a broken leg. That alone was incredible, he was a leader on the field that the Vikings have been missing for a long time...not some self absorbed asshole. A player that is playing for the love of the game that is an asset to the NFL.

I'll give you the waffling, but, even that is blown up by the press. If he retires he retires. The Vikings will still be competitors next year. If he doesn't retire I'm sure some of the drama that you wanted to happen last year will happen, that is, I really doubt he would have as good of a year as he had this year. Who knows though. Bottom-line, is I will always support an upgrade at any position and that person until he does something to the detriment of the team that I follow.

NodakPaul
02-16-2010, 11:07 AM
Prophet wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

....Didn't you also say that he would.....

a. Make it so teams wouldn't put 8 in the box.
b. Make the OL better cause of his quick release.

......Kindof stuff or was that me? I can't remember.

I remember saying something along those lines, which was based off the year when the Packers went 13-3 with half their o-line made up of rookies. They did stack the box a lot, but, the difference is that the KAO still worked because, well, there was a QB that could read defenses and get the job done. When the team is one-dimensional you stack the box and then pray that something opens up. Not a bad premise to say that and it did work out with the box not being stacked as much as it had been with the bollingers of the world at QB.

The o-line had all sorts of problems and did some things well. That discussion could go on all offseason. If you just look at the NFCCG, where Favre may have been beaten into retirement, the coaches were asking for the line to hold their own while sending a lot of receivers out so Favre could find one against the Saints relatively good secondary. The o-line was owned for the most part, but the strategy produced a lot of yards. Conversely, the Saints had TEs and RBs helping the o-line on every play and their relatively lackluster offensive production showed that.

Of course we could go play-by-play or series by series all year and talk about the different blocking schemes on the o-line or we could just look at the big picture for the season. The Vikings finished at 12-4 and lost in OT, on the road, in the NFCCG. They had every opportunity to host the NFCCG, but, they flat out choked at the end of the season. Yes, the team choked. If you want to lay that on Favre then go back and eat crow on the thousands of posts where you are preaching about the coaching staff and that it is a team game.

What is the most pathetic thing about this whole ordeal is that you used to be a big proponent of this is a team game and if a player like Randy Moss goes somewhere else, then the team moves on. Then, hypocritically, the exact same thing happens, a player comes on the team in a team game, and you dig deep for every possible flaw before the first snap is taken and were proven completely wrong on all, yes all, of your presumptions. The whole 'can't throw it deep' and 'will never hold up' and 'won't mentor' and will 'cause us to lose veterans due to the signing' and on and on an on and on. You lost credibility on the site, then say stuff like how can you lose credibility on the Internet? Yet again hypocritical, when you are the person spouting off about spreadsheets.

Yes, it's all in fun. But, if you are going to carry the philosophy that this is a team game (which it is regardless of what anyone wants to believe), then you can't lay blame on an individual for the end of the season and expect that to stick. In rare instances it may be more palatable to attempt to do that. In the NFCCG? A shitload of turnovers, a bad coaching call, phantom PI calls, etc. The team lost and fought with heart, on the road, and it took OT for the home team to win when the Vikings were giving them the ball faster than gregair can post pictures of scantily clad women. Brett Favre played with more heart in that game than I have seen since watching Jack Lambert play with a broken leg. That alone was incredible, he was a leader on the field that the Vikings have been missing for a long time...not some self absorbed asshole. A player that is playing for the love of the game that is an asset to the NFL.

I'll give you the waffling, but, even that is blown up by the press. If he retires he retires. The Vikings will still be competitors next year. If he doesn't retire I'm sure some of the drama that you wanted to happen last year will happen, that is, I really doubt he would have as good of a year as he had this year. Who knows though. Bottom-line, is I will always support an upgrade at any position and that person until he does something to the detriment of the team that I follow.

Wow.

I don't think I have ever seen a six paragraph post from Prophet before. But when you decide to do it, you go all out. :)

Quote of the day:

Bottom-line, is I will always support an upgrade at any position and that person until he does something to the detriment of the team that I follow.

fanofteam
02-16-2010, 03:49 PM
Prophet wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

...I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.


They did a lot better job of that last year. If you think that TJack or Rosenfels would have gotten the team a first round bye, well, that's what you think, I will never think that and neither of us will ever know what would have happened.

Who in their right mind thinks TJ or Sage would have got a first round bye ?

I geuss people forget is the Eagles beat the Cowboys week 17 we don't get a bye even with Favre.

Without Favre GB most likely beats us at least once and we lose at least 1 addtional game ( SF, BAlt).

The Vikes would have been in the WC game and GB would have taken the division.

I wonder if people realize MN won ONE more regular season game than GB in 2009



I know somebody is going to say you can't judge a schedule now but I seriously doubt looking at the 2010 schedule the Vikings are going to play 4 games against teams ( Detroit, Rams, Clev, ) who had a COMBINED 8 wins. That being said with TJ we miss the 2010 playoffs , I GUARANTEE it and will stick by that statement.

C Mac D
02-16-2010, 03:59 PM
fanofteam wrote:

Prophet wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

...I was wrong about Favre. You're right... but what is your criteria?

Did I say Favre's performance would decline towards the end of the season? Yes. Did Favre throw 125% more INTs in the last four weeks than he did the rest of the season? Yes. Did we go 1-3 in December? Yes. I guess it really depends what you say a late season decline is I guess.

Did I say he had a propensity to throw INTs in the playoffs? Yes. Did he throw a crucial INT when the game was on the line? Yes. Did he throw multiple INTs? Yes.

I guess you could say I'm wrong... but we still don't have a Lombardi. Hell, we didn't even make it to the Super Bowl. But if saying I'm wrong makes everyone feel better... sure. I was wrong.


They did a lot better job of that last year. If you think that TJack or Rosenfels would have gotten the team a first round bye, well, that's what you think, I will never think that and neither of us will ever know what would have happened.

Who in their right mind thinks TJ or Sage would have got a first round bye ?

I geuss people forget is the Eagles beat the Cowboys week 17 we don't get a bye even with Favre.

Without Favre GB most likely beats us at least once and we lose at least 1 addtional game ( SF, BAlt).

The Vikes would have been in the WC game and GB would have taken the division.

I wonder if people realize MN won ONE more regular season game than GB in 2009



I know somebody is going to say you can't judge a schedule now but I seriously doubt looking at the 2010 schedule the Vikings are going to play 4 games against teams ( Detroit, Rams, Clev, ) who had a COMBINED 8 wins. That being said with TJ we miss the 2010 playoffs , I GUARANTEE it and will stick by that statement.

I think we could have gotten a first round bye without Favre... I don't care if people think I'm crazy for saying it.

We made it to the playoffs last year with Gus Frerotte (who was leading the league in INTs when he hurt his back) and Jackson, who didn't start really playing until week 12. Why is it so crazy to think we wouldn't have gotten a first round bye? We were only a game or two away from not getting a first round bye anyways... thank goodness the Ravens kicker sucks and we got that last second play against San Fran, or else we wouldn't have gotten it.

Bottom line, you don't know if we would have gotten a first round bye or not... so any argument you're basing off that assumption is worthless.

Marrdro
02-17-2010, 12:11 PM
Prophet wrote:

What is the most pathetic thing about this whole ordeal is that you used to be a big proponent of this is a team game and if a player like Randy Moss goes somewhere else, then the team moves on. Then, hypocritically, the exact same thing happens, a player comes on the team in a team game, and you dig deep for every possible flaw before the first snap is taken and were proven completely wrong on all, yes all, of your presumptions. The whole 'can't throw it deep' and 'will never hold up' and 'won't mentor' and will 'cause us to lose veterans due to the signing' and on and on an on and on. You lost credibility on the site, then say stuff like how can you lose credibility on the Internet? Yet again hypocritical, when you are the person spouting off about spreadsheets.
Good stuff my friend. Just one comment....

Find me one place were I blamed the Noodle as the only reason we lost the championship game. Truth be told, if you go back and look at my post game comments. I think what I said was something along the lines of...

"I thanked the ownership group, mentioned that it was a good ride, and hoped for a better next year, and I included the Noodle in that comment."

If I, in fact did have "Credibility", maybe some of that "Credibility went to the wayside because people assume I am saying something when in fact I'm not.

I won't go into detail on every issue I had with him, but will say that yes, because I can't stand the guy, I did over scrutinize his every action. SHOCK.....Is that so suprising? Did you guys think I was just gonna go ahead and welcome him in with open arms and not express any concern.

Comeon, talk about credibility.....Did you guys think I would? Especially when you consider how I hack on all players at one time or another.....Smoot, Sharp, Birk, El Syd, Griff, Whole Fricken OL at times, hell I've even hated on AD more times than not.

Why should the Noodle be treated any other way? If I did, wouldn't that cause me to loose some "Credibility" on this site?

On a side note, I am still 100% convinced that this was a two year plan. That means I believe the Noodle will be back. Guess what......That means I will be over scrutinizing his every action again, unless of course I get banned for it. :P

In the end, I really believe that this whole Noodle thing keeps going because a few on here seem to take it way to serious. I know I have tried to move on.

Maybe, just maybe, a bit of levity is in order around here when it comes to who worships who.

Marrdro
02-17-2010, 12:16 PM
marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

Maybe these quotes would work better for you.
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

Hmmmm, that was posted more than 8 months ago - LONG before the season started. Not are we through with the bullshit about Favre supporters saying a SB was a lock. Not a single one ever said that.

Although ones like this are pretty funny too:
Marrdro wrote:

Would they be better with

a.
LNAD and without Whinny?

or

b.
Sage/TJ and Whinny?

Long story short, there is a big possibility here that we might not be able to resign a few guys if/when they get a deal done with LNAD.

God Marrdro, you were trying to paint Favre in every negative light possible long before he even signed. He puts up an amazing year, brings the Vikes farther then they have been in a decade, gave them the best chance (IMHO) of getting to and winning a Super Bowl in 30 years, and some people STILL try to put as much negative spin on it as possible.

First he was going to cost us core players. That didn't happen, so then he was going to destroy the locker room. Than didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFC North. That didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFCCG. Well, he didn't break down, but I guess you can argue that he had a significant role in that loss. Of course you can also argue that he had a significant role in us even making it to overtime... And NOW you are trying to play the "I told you so" card? I don't think so.
I dont' like the guy, what can I say?

In the end, did he deliver? NOPE. Guess I was right about something.

We haven't had a QB deliver in 50 seasons. Congrats Nostradamus.
Nostra who? :S

NodakPaul
02-17-2010, 12:25 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Why should the Noodle be treated any other way? If I did, wouldn't that cause me to loose some "Credibility" on this site?

You really don't see that you treat Favre differently than every other player? Really?

Marrdro
02-17-2010, 12:33 PM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Why should the Noodle be treated any other way? If I did, wouldn't that cause me to loose some "Credibility" on this site?

You really don't see that you treat Favre differently than every other player? Really?
I do see it and readilly admit it.

Question back at ya, do you see that you treat him differently? Not trying to go all CmacD on ya or anything, but there are a few of you who really really really take defending him to a new level.

Seriously.

marstc09
02-17-2010, 03:44 PM
Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Why should the Noodle be treated any other way? If I did, wouldn't that cause me to loose some "Credibility" on this site?

You really don't see that you treat Favre differently than every other player? Really?
I do see it and readilly admit it.

Question back at ya, do you see that you treat him differently? Not trying to go all CmacD on ya or anything, but there are a few of you who really really really take defending him to a new level.

Seriously.

What the fuck are you talking about?

He is OUR QB and we should defend him. You know the Minnesota Vikings.

You were wrong about everything you said about him. We defended what was right. What are you not seeing?

Yes he threw and INT that was crucial but many players made crucial mistakes.

Point is, we were better with him than without him.

Seriously. Seriously.

marstc09
02-17-2010, 03:46 PM
Marrdro wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mars Quote (http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=240#904251)

Maybe these quotes would work better for you.
http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/828407-the-official-brett-favre-thread?limit=15&start=5070#958774
NodakPaul wrote:

Correct.
Even Fav-re said last night that no player is a guarantee.

This is all about who gives us a better chance to win.
I believe that Fav-re gives the Vikings a better chance to win than TJack or Sage.
Not a guarantee, but a better chance.

Hmmmm, that was posted more than 8 months ago - LONG before the season started. Not are we through with the bullshit about Favre supporters saying a SB was a lock. Not a single one ever said that.

Although ones like this are pretty funny too:
Marrdro wrote:

Would they be better with

a.
LNAD and without Whinny?

or

b.
Sage/TJ and Whinny?

Long story short, there is a big possibility here that we might not be able to resign a few guys if/when they get a deal done with LNAD.

God Marrdro, you were trying to paint Favre in every negative light possible long before he even signed. He puts up an amazing year, brings the Vikes farther then they have been in a decade, gave them the best chance (IMHO) of getting to and winning a Super Bowl in 30 years, and some people STILL try to put as much negative spin on it as possible.

First he was going to cost us core players. That didn't happen, so then he was going to destroy the locker room. Than didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFC North. That didn't happen, so he was going to break down and cost us the NFCCG. Well, he didn't break down, but I guess you can argue that he had a significant role in that loss. Of course you can also argue that he had a significant role in us even making it to overtime... And NOW you are trying to play the "I told you so" card? I don't think so.
I dont' like the guy, what can I say?

In the end, did he deliver? NOPE. Guess I was right about something.

We haven't had a QB deliver in 50 seasons. Congrats Nostradamus.
Nostra who? :S

Google it.