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Harvin1211
01-24-2010, 09:38 PM
Absolutely sickening.

Rants:

- Hold onto the damn ball AD, Percy and Bernard!!!!
- PROTECT THE QB, Favre was getting tee'd off on.
- Childress is perhaps the worst coach when it matters most. How the hell do you manage to screw up the last 1:30 of that game? Jesus, Favre's INT was bad but we were way out of field goal range anyway. Atrocious.
- Another NFC Championship, another loss, another long off-season and a heart-broken fan... this one hurts.

Webby
01-24-2010, 09:49 PM
Tough game. All I can say now.

skum
01-24-2010, 09:49 PM
Turnovers, Turnovers, Turnovers - without them we would have killed the Saints

bbqplatypus318
01-24-2010, 09:53 PM
I don't blame Favre for this one. I don't blame the refs, either.

I blame that twelfth guy in the huddle. We shouldn't have had to throw at all. I blame Peterson, Harvin, and Berrian for fumbling. We should've been ahead at that point, running down the clock. It shouldn't have had to come down to an alleged pass interference on a ball that Goliath couldn't have pulled down, where he tripped over his own feet anyway. We'd have won if we'd played better - period.

This one...hurts. Being a Vikings fan never gets easier. I really hope Brett comes back next year - we'll never make it this far with Tarvaris Jackson. I just can't take having to wait another ten years for a contender. Not again.

Come on, Saints - at least have the decency to let us say we took the CHAMPS to the wire, and held the CHAMPS to 77 yards in the second half.

EvilKokonut
01-24-2010, 09:53 PM
i am hurting so much right now... that is all.

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2010, 09:55 PM
I'm going to say very little, otherwise I'll get banned.

Good game for the most part. Our offense played well, defense played very well as well.

DL did an alright job of getting in Bree's face. I saw numerous times that they had a TE or RB stay in to help out with Allen. that means one fewer guy out running a route.

having said that, you know exactly what's coming

I took the liberty of pre-censoring the next paragraph for those with gentle ears (eyes).

**** Peterson, that ****ing ****. Learn to hold the ****ing football. Learn to take a ****ing handoff. This is ****ing rediculous. and, if thats not enough, Harvin decides to be a ****ing hero, then Berrian, then Peterson some more. Holy ****ing ****.

Favre: Gave it his all. The one throw was ****ed, they teach you, NEVER roll right and throw left. my ****. Having said that. I was actually extremely impressed with how he was peeling himself off the turf almost every play, but kept at it. I'd love to have him back next season, He's still got it. With TJ, we're not even in the NFCC.


Really, not much to say that everyone here doesn't know. You CAN NOT fumble 6 times and expect to win. We played well enough, that we were lucky to be tied at the end of the game. at least 2/3 turnovers in field goal range, one score and we win. as easy as that. I hope they make Peterson run nothing but ball carrying drills ALL offseason for 5 hours a day. its just rediculous.


Lastly, if you're going to say "hahaha, I was right, Favre cost us, I'd consider waiting a few days. You will not get a nice response, and i'm sure multiple people here will no longer be members"

Eldin
01-24-2010, 09:58 PM
This IS sickening.

I feel bad for the guys because they played their hearts out and were in a position to win. Every time it looked like the game might get out of hand, the Vikings responded by remaining calm.

Favre was amazing this year. His toughness is inhuman. But that throw cost the team the game--not doubt about it.

Then again, 12 men in the huddle was ridiculous . . .

Props to the defense. AMAZING play against the NFL's best offense. I feel bad for them. They deserved to win.

The fumbles sucked, but I was impressed by how the team never crumbled.

Yep. This is the life of a Viking fan. I love this franchise, but it is cursed.

Webby
01-24-2010, 09:58 PM
If you think the refs did anything to the outcome, you should go take a timeout in the corner. No room for that kind of drivel right now.

bbqplatypus318
01-24-2010, 10:00 PM
Webby wrote:

If you think the refs did anything to the outcome, you should go take a timeout in the corner. No room for that kind of drivel right now.

Yup. My response to that is always "If we'd played better, it wouldn't have come to that in the first place."

kjdaddy
01-24-2010, 10:00 PM
Physically in pain.



T/O's did us in.

Brett forced that last one, but he was hit way too much.

no sacks, very little pressure -Never heard from Jared Allen.

That ball was on the Carpet!!

4th down play was crap!


Hurts.

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2010, 10:01 PM
nother thing I noticed.

They showed a slowmo of Peterson trucking someone in traffic. One hand on the ball.

Tad7
01-24-2010, 10:01 PM
Hopefully Favre makes his decision soon

Eldin
01-24-2010, 10:02 PM
Refs make mistakes, but this game was not one-sided enough to warrant complaints.

For example, the roughing the passer on Favre was a really, really weak call. Incidentally, karma came through on that drive and he ended up throwing an INT anyway.

The pass interference in over time was a bad call that went against us. It was a desperation throw, ball was un-catchable, didn't seem to be that much contact anyway.

But it shouldn't have come to that . . .

kjdaddy
01-24-2010, 10:03 PM
Tad7 wrote:

Hopefully Favre makes his decision soon

I want him back.

Mike Bullock
01-24-2010, 10:04 PM
I could take it better if they'd actually been beaten by a better team.... instead, they beat themselves. :(

NeoVikesTX
01-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Another game we had and found a way to lose. I thought for sure we would kick a FG and win at the end of regulation. Can't believe we ended up going backwards and then committing ANOTHER turnover on that last drive. It's crazy how we always find a way to lose these kind of games.

Eldin
01-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Also, I know this is an easy thing to say right now, but Peterson is overrated. His average is pedestrian. He fumbles far more than anyone else. He has not broke the long ones this year. He is not the reason the Vikings made it this far. It was Favre.

It hurts to admit, because I really like Peterson, and he IS a physical freak. But he needs to improve.

lovesmesomevikes
01-24-2010, 10:05 PM
My heart is Broken......I hope the Vikes can make it to the SB in my lifetime.

kjdaddy
01-24-2010, 10:06 PM
Brett's talkin on NFL network

kjdaddy
01-24-2010, 10:07 PM
lovesmesomevikes wrote:

My heart is Broken......I hope the Vikes can make it to the SB in my lifetime.

And win it...That is exactly how I feel

Bdubya
01-24-2010, 10:07 PM
I posted this in the other thread, but it was locked:

These are the kinds of games that make me glad to be a Viking fan. If any other team did this, I would be just destroyed. Thankfully, I am used to this kind of collapse. When the Vikings were driving with 1:00 left in the game, I texted my friend and said "I'm curious as to how the Vikings will give this one away".

When it happened, I was mentally ready.

BigOlHorns
01-24-2010, 10:10 PM
Initial thoughts about this one.

- Fumbles were disastrous. Seemed like the ball was greased up before every possession. AP was completely off his game, maybe trying too hard. Berrian's fumble was due to fighting for extra yardage instead of just going down. Ditto for Harvin's.

- 12th man was killer. How do you bungle that in that situation? Terrible.

- Favre's INT was obviously a backbreaker. Him trying to be a hero. He played a good game for the most part, so this 1 play isn't indicative of his entire performance. But he had 10-15 yards to run. If he's too hurt to run, he had a man (I believe it was BB) on the sideline for a 5-7 yard pickup. Just flick it out there, he was wide open.

- Those 2 calls in OT were horrible. Yes, I know officiating doesn't win/lose games. But there isn't a human being alive on planet Earth that could have caught that pass interference ball. And Meachem's catch hit the ground pretty clearly. Are those calls made in Minnesota?

- NFL overtime is bogus. Just my opinion.

- Rice wasn't involved as much as I thought he would be.

- Despite all of that - hundreds of fumbles, 2 inside the 10, the disastrous INT, a hurt QB, a slow day for our Pro Bowl WR, playing in the loudest building in the NFL....we lost by 3 in overtime. I'm still proud of what this team accomplished. And this game doesn't change that.

DREWBREEESS
01-24-2010, 10:11 PM
A fantastic, great football game. The Vikings outplayed the Saints, but turnovers will kill you everytime.
I hope Farve comes back next season. He is what makes the NFL great.
I'm 49 years old. This is a dream come true!!! Good luck next season.

DREWBREEESS
01-24-2010, 10:15 PM
A fantastic, great football game. The Vikings outplayed the Saints, but turnovers will kill you everytime.
I hope Farve comes back next season. He is what makes the NFL great.
I'm 49 years old. This is a dream come true!!! Good luck next season.

#4kicksA$$
01-24-2010, 10:16 PM
I actually think the roughing call was warranted,and thought there should have been one when Brett got hurt. QB's getting hit below the knees has drawin flags in in most other games this year. It sure as shit would have for that pansy Tom Brady. I am a huge Favre fan and usually somewhat of a favre appologist,I admit it. But I also admit tonight he screwed up on that last pick. But IMO it shouldn't have come to that,damn butterfinger Peterson lost them opps. I would have sat his ass on the bench. I feel had the rest of the team played as hard and with as much heart as Favre did tonight this would be a celebration thread.

I also don't think old number four will be back next year. I just have that feeling. Which is to bad because ther is NO ONE like him in the NFL,nor will there ever be again.

skum
01-24-2010, 10:16 PM
Tad7 wrote:

Hopefully Favre makes his decision soon

Im thinking about mid August

Erinnn
01-24-2010, 10:16 PM
As heartbreaking as it is, this loss was all on the players; you can't blame the coaching or refs for this one. Common sense will tell you that five fumbles and six turnovers won't win you anything. It was impressive that they managed to stay in the game with that many mistakes and almost no protection for Favre.

Luckily as Vikings fans we are all well-equipped to handle having hope stomped down and crushed in agonizing defeat.

It was a great season, and I'm still proud of these guys.

MVIKING7
01-24-2010, 10:18 PM
The fog has lifted....memory is coming back.....can't wait for the 2009 season to start, with Jackson and Rosenfels vieing for the starting job. All is right in my world once again

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2010, 10:18 PM
BigOlHorns wrote:

Initial thoughts about this one.

- Fumbles were disastrous. Seemed like the ball was greased up before every possession. AP was completely off his game, maybe trying too hard. Berrian's fumble was due to fighting for extra yardage instead of just going down. Ditto for Harvin's.

- 12th man was killer. How do you bungle that in that situation? Terrible.

- Favre's INT was obviously a backbreaker. Him trying to be a hero. He played a good game for the most part, so this 1 play isn't indicative of his entire performance. But he had 10-15 yards to run. If he's too hurt to run, he had a man (I believe it was BB) on the sideline for a 5-7 yard pickup. Just flick it out there, he was wide open.

- Those 2 calls in OT were horrible. Yes, I know officiating doesn't win/lose games. But there isn't a human being alive on planet Earth that could have caught that pass interference ball. And Meachem's catch hit the ground pretty clearly. Are those calls made in Minnesota?

- NFL overtime is bogus. Just my opinion.

- Rice wasn't involved as much as I thought he would be.

- Despite all of that - hundreds of fumbles, 2 inside the 10, the disastrous INT, a hurt QB, a slow day for our Pro Bowl WR, playing in the loudest building in the NFL....we lost by 3 in overtime. I'm still proud of what this team accomplished. And this game doesn't change that.

Meacham made that catch. It was pretty obvious. The ball can touch the ground if the receiver has control, and Meachem had the ball pinnned between his leg and hand. Good call by the refs. the PI was bs, but so were some of the calls against the saints too.

VikingLance
01-24-2010, 10:18 PM
Son of a Bitch.


Isn't it amazing that after 5 turnovers we Still should have won this game. What the hell happened on that last possession of regulation?

5 turnovers. 5 turnovers. 5 turnovers. 5 turnovers. 5 turnovers.

How in the hell does that happen?

We put ourselves into the position to have to rely on the officiating being right. God, I hate saying that we were screwed on a couple of calls, because I don't want to be that guy. I would have been happy if they were calling consistently with both teams. There is no way that was a completion. I don't think that the 4th down dive made it. Still, we put ourselves into that predicament. I guess I'm that guy. :(

Props to the Defense. They played a hell of a game.
The offense dominated too. All they needed was to hang onto the ball.

This game with no turnovers would have been a blowout. I will give credit to the Saint's defense. They made the turnovers happen when it mattered.

Congratulations Vikings on a Fantastic Season. I hope Favre plays 1 more year with us.

SKOL VIKINGS.

jkjuggalo
01-24-2010, 10:18 PM
I am way to drunk to post rationally right now.

Let's just say we literally handed the game to the Saints. We outplayed them the second half, but manage to give them the ball whenever we had momentum. What a bunch of asshats. I'm sick of them letting me down.

Learn from your mistakes you senile old man. You've only had 20 years in the league to learn not to throw across your body. We needed only five yards for a legitimate FG try. What a dumbass move.

I've never drank so much during a FB game. I am pissed and my nerves still are not calmed.

FUCK!!!

Eldin
01-24-2010, 10:20 PM
Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Purple Mk1
01-24-2010, 10:21 PM
The results suck, but you really have to hand it to the team. As hard as they tried to give it away with the fumbles and interceptions, they were still in to the end. The defense played AWESOME! Holding the Saints to 77 yards in the second half and their only score came when the offense gave them a 7 yard field to defend.

Clearly the the Vikings were the superior team and should have won but they couldn't hold onto the damned ball. (is one perks of the home field advantages was that you get to grease the ball the opponent?).

Such is the life of a Vikings fan - they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at any time! I think it is probably worse than being a Cubs fan. The Cubs always suck (2 playoff appearances in 65 years) but the VIkings always get your hopes up before dashing them!

jkjuggalo
01-24-2010, 10:23 PM
Eldin wrote:

Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Favre is a winner in the regular season, but when it matters, he chokes on big dicks. He had great heart coming back from all those hits, but at the same time, there were times where that toughness seemed to impact his play. I loved this season, but this was a bad way to lose and Favre is a big reason we lost.

kjdaddy
01-24-2010, 10:23 PM
I HATE this feeling!

PLEASE came back Brett! One more year and we can do it.

keystonevike
01-24-2010, 10:24 PM
A nightmare, the way we just gave the game to them.
The defense deserves a better fate.
Kick coverage was shitty on the second half kickoff. Gave them a TD there.
This one hurts because we blew so many golden opportunities. We shoulda buried 'em.
Just really hurtin' right now...

gregair13
01-24-2010, 10:24 PM
3 reasons we lost:

- Griffin on special teams for one play and getting hurt.
- 12 men in the huddle instead of just running the ball one more time.
- Not calling tails. Its always tails.

That is all. Magical ride of a season. This will be the worst and most painful off season ever.

Eldin
01-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Yes, it was a dumbass play--completely inexcusable on every level. BUT, we are not in that position without him.

DREWBREEESS
01-24-2010, 10:25 PM
jkjuggalo wrote:

I am way to drunk to post rationally right now.

Let's just say we literally handed the game to the Saints. We outplayed them the second half, but manage to give them the ball whenever we had momentum. What a bunch of asshats. I'm sick of them letting me down.

Learn from your mistakes you senile old man. You've only had 20 years in the league to learn not to throw across your body. We needed only five yards for a legitimate FG try. What a dumbass move.

I've never drank so much during a FB game. I am pissed and my nerves still are not calmed.

FUCK!!!
You should be happy. The =Vikings QB next season will be a young, virile man. WhoHoo. Be careful what you wish for.It was a great game. Blaming Farve in any way makes you a purple asshat. WHODAT!!

Purplemania
01-24-2010, 10:25 PM
I'm not sure what to say. I'm still stunned and pissed.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THE NFL OVERTIME RULE.

I'll give Saints there props. They're one helluva football team. Good for the city of New Orleans.

Peterson. Please learn to hold the football. Please. You are one bad mofo, but if you don't learn how to hold the ball you will be kicked to the curb.

Farve. He played his heart out. His pick...defines his career. He lives and dies by plays like that. I am not at all surprised. I am piss though.

Defense. They played ok. Brees has one of the quicker release and they did a lot of screens and quick passes to neutralize our pass rush. We need to get a Lb to replace Leber. That guy always ALWAYS gets his ass handed to.

WR. They were okay as well. Good game for Berrian to show up except for that fumble. Harvin was not much a factor, but I really like him playing RB sometimes. Rice made some good catches, but too bad we never gave him a deep shot.

Coaching. Eh....C+ overall. They are still too predictable with the double tight run. Frazier needs to teach his team to blitz more effectively. Everytime we blitz it does not get to Brees and he destroyed us.

Refs. Whatever.

I guess all we can do now is take the positive from this seaosn. Sidney Rice grew up. Our Dline shows they can be the best in the game (It's gonna be tough resigning Edwards though). Cedric Griffin is actually average now. Tyrell stinks, but he has a full year of experience at the S position. *sigh* That's all I can think of for now.

vikings4life33
01-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Mike Bullock wrote:

I could take it better if they'd actually been beaten by a better team.... instead, they beat themselves. :(


you are right on..we beat ourselves

Brazilian Rider
01-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Favre retired... I is depressed.

Hinkle
01-24-2010, 10:26 PM
http://greenewable.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/butterfinger.jpg
Losing like this just crushes my soul, even with all those dumb mistakes we still held on close. That's about the only positive I can say, oh and Shiancoe was on fire. Why did we have to screw up the most perfect layout to win the game by chewing the clock up and FG that bitch in? I was on my knees thinking, this is it holy crap and sh*t hits the fan. Was a great ride guys, waiting to see whats going to be said in the post game press conference.

I have a lot more respect for Favre getting back into that game after being pancaked to death.What the hell do we do about AD? What about our QB situation? So many thoughts racing through my head when that FG hit through in OT :S .

The Green Ninja
01-24-2010, 10:27 PM
Sorry Viking fans on the loss. You guys did great except for the few fumbles... though made it interesting. Brett did it again... us in Packer land know the feeling. Yeah the Vikes were still in it probably due to Brett, but when it counts Brett always seems to choke.

Anyway, next season is where it's at :side:

Tad7
01-24-2010, 10:28 PM
The Green Ninja wrote:

Sorry Viking fans on the loss. You guys did great except for the few fumbles... though made it interesting. Brett did it again... us in Packer land know the feeling. Yeah the Vikes were still in it probably due to Brett, but when it counts Brett always seems to choke.

Anyway, next season is where it's at :side:
+1

kjdaddy
01-24-2010, 10:29 PM
red zone t/o's suck the worst!

#4kicksA$$
01-24-2010, 10:29 PM
jkjuggalo wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Favre is a winner in the regular season, but when it matters, he chokes on big dicks. He had great heart coming back from all those hits, but at the same time, there were times where that toughness seemed to impact his play. I loved this season, but this was a bad way to lose and Favre is a big reason we lost.

First of all without Favre there wouldn't have been a champinship game. Second Peterson is the one who choked big dicks today,open your eyes when you "watch" a game.

Webby
01-24-2010, 10:29 PM
Brazilian Rider wrote:

Favre retired... I is depressed.

He has not retired.

Hinkle
01-24-2010, 10:30 PM
Why did it have to end like this again...
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/m_anderson_990117_640.jpg

El Vikingo
01-24-2010, 10:31 PM
fuck my life

Erinnn
01-24-2010, 10:35 PM
The Green Ninja wrote:

Sorry Viking fans on the loss. You guys did great except for the few fumbles... though made it interesting. Brett did it again... us in Packer land know the feeling. Yeah the Vikes were still in it probably due to Brett, but when it counts Brett always seems to choke.

Anyway, next season is where it's at :side:

My friend who is a die-hard Packer fan texted me "You've been Favred. It's painful I know."

At least it gave me a laugh in an otherwise shitty situation. I'm one of the few Vikings fans who is still not a Favre fan (before everyone jumps on me, I'm not saying he isn't a good QB), but even I can't blame him for this one.

Eldin
01-24-2010, 10:36 PM
You know, even if Longwell would have gotten a chance, I'm sure he would have shanked it anyway. It's the Vikings after all. Bizarre, unpredictable collapses are the norm. We all knew they would find a cruel and perverse way to lose. I guess that's one of the things that makes them a fun team to follow, again, in a very perverse and masochistic way.

jkjuggalo
01-24-2010, 10:36 PM
#4kicksA$$ wrote:

jkjuggalo wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Favre is a winner in the regular season, but when it matters, he chokes on big dicks. He had great heart coming back from all those hits, but at the same time, there were times where that toughness seemed to impact his play. I loved this season, but this was a bad way to lose and Favre is a big reason we lost.

First of all without Favre there wouldn't have been a champinship game. Second Peterson is the one who choked big dicks today,open your eyes when you "watch" a game.

First of all, I never said Favre was the sole reason the Vikings lost the game. Second of all, there is now way of knowing how far the Vikings would have gone with another QB at the helm because it didn't happen. Use your head before you start questioning other people's ability to analyze a football game. If you think Favre was not a big reason the Vikings lost that game, then you sir are the one that needs to open your eyes.

Peterson, Berrian, and Harvin can all take some of the blame too, but ultimately it was Favre final STUPID play that closed out any hope of winning in regulation. All the hype about him playing a great season without any big mistakes was thrown out the window when he made that throw. Just a horrible play.

jkjuggalo
01-24-2010, 10:37 PM
El Vikingo wrote:

fuck my life

+1

FML

petev_sj
01-24-2010, 10:38 PM
You know, I'm starting believe in the Minnesota Curse for the Vikings organization. As long as they are in Minnesota, I don't they can ever win the Super Bowl.

My hat is off the Brett Favre. I don't judge his season by that 1 stupid play at the end of the forth. Hell we a 5 yard penalty for having 12 men in the huddle.

I bleed purple, no matter what city they will end up playing in. I am proud of this team, they fought back constantly when those mistakes should have been the end of it.

Now excuse while I go drink and not go to work tomorrow or until Wednesday.

Holmstrom
01-24-2010, 10:38 PM
Dude if you ppl actually want Favre back you are deranged. THIS was our shot. Why put the poor guy through the pain of playing for this choking LOSER organization.

You actually think he's gonna win a Super Bowl NEXT YEAR??? NEXT YEAR????? NEXT YEAR????? THIS WAS THE YR!!!! One game away!!!! haha what a freakin' joke.

This team WILL NEVER EVER EVER F*cking win. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope he goes somewhere next year and WINS A SUPER BOWL. I hope to God he goes somewhere else and wins one. He deserves it.

These Choking CLOWNS we have right now don't deserve shit. I have no idea what Visanthe's situation is but I hope he goes w/ Favre and wins it somewhere else.

Why would Favre go through the grind AGAIN at 41 only to play for tis cursed team.

Go win it Favre. Somewhere that won't put 12 men in the huddle at the most inopportune time humanly possibly. Some where that has players who don't cough up the ball everytime you get in position.

KrackerJack
01-24-2010, 10:40 PM
Well... it was closer than it should have been. This one is going to hurt for a while. Congradulations to the Saints and their fans, they certainly deserve it. For tonight, I was wrong about Sharper's tackling, he played solid.

I'm grateful that we had Brett Favre this year, and I'm grateful for a great season to watch. I had so much fun watching the Vikes this year, and people can call it a failure if they want, but it was a hell of a run.

The Vikings will get theirs someday, I have no doubt. It just wasn't in the cards this year.

Again, congradulations New Orleans, I'm pulling for the Saints in the Super Bowl.

Skol

VikingLance
01-24-2010, 10:41 PM
Holmstrom wrote:

Dude if you ppl actually want Favre back you are deranged. THIS was our shot. Why put the poor guy through the pain of playing for this choking LOSER organization.

You actually think he's gonna win a Super Bowl NEXT YEAR??? NEXT YEAR????? NEXT YEAR????? THIS WAS THE YR!!!! One game away!!!! haha what a freakin' joke.

This team WILL NEVER EVER EVER F*cking win. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope he goes somewhere next year and WINS A SUPER BOWL. I hope to God he goes somewhere else and wins one. He deserves it.

These Choking CLOWNS we have right now don't deserve shit. I have no idea what Visanthe's situation is but I hope he goes w/ Favre and wins it somewhere else.

Why would Favre go through the grind AGAIN at 41 only to play for tis cursed team.

Go win it Favre. Somewhere that won't put 12 men in the huddle at the most inopportune time humanly possibly. Some where that has players who don't cough up the ball everytime you get in position.

Go cheer for another team.

Eldin
01-24-2010, 10:42 PM
^

Dude, I feel as bad for Favre as anyone, but he did blow the game on that play. The Vikings were in position to win. All he had to do was run for a couple of yards. I don't know what possessed him to make that throw at that moment, but it did cost the team the game.

The whole team deserves credit for the way they played. I do believe there is a "curse" that pervades the organization that even transcends whoever comprises its current roster, but nonetheless, I love this team and I'll always bleed purple.

JohnLSU
01-24-2010, 10:42 PM
Takeaways is what the Saints' Defense is all about this year. Done it all season. Great game guys. Very entertaining...

Caine
01-24-2010, 10:45 PM
jkjuggalo wrote:

#4kicksA$$ wrote:

jkjuggalo wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Favre is a winner in the regular season, but when it matters, he chokes on big dicks. He had great heart coming back from all those hits, but at the same time, there were times where that toughness seemed to impact his play. I loved this season, but this was a bad way to lose and Favre is a big reason we lost.

First of all without Favre there wouldn't have been a champinship game. Second Peterson is the one who choked big dicks today,open your eyes when you "watch" a game.

First of all, I never said Favre was the sole reason the Vikings lost the game. Second of all, there is now way of knowing how far the Vikings would have gone with another QB at the helm because it didn't happen. Use your head before you start questioning other people's ability to analyze a football game. If you think Favre was not a big reason the Vikings lost that game, then you sir are the one that needs to open your eyes.

Peterson, Berrian, and Harvin can all take some of the blame too, but ultimately it was Favre final STUPID play that closed out any hope of winning in regulation. All the hype about him playing a great season without any big mistakes was thrown out the window when he made that throw. Just a horrible play.
I'm going to side with #4 here...Favre didn't lose this game.

Sure, he made a bad decision....but it was prompoted by an offensive line that didn't stop anyone all game long, and a running back and 2 receivers who were fumbling away scoring drives. So, he tried to force it to Rice - his go to guy all season long - and it got picked.

But we were STILL in the game at that point.
We still had an opportunity to win the coin toss (Who in the hell picks Heads?!?!?!?).

We had an opportunity to make them drive the field (why didn't special teams tackle?).

We had the opportunity to stop them cold and force them to punt (Our Defense didn't get the stop when we needed one).

But we didn't.....

So you want to point to Favre and blame him? ROFLMAO!!! Wake up. The guy was amazing. He got DESTROYED physically out there, and the rest of the team blew it BAD!!!

But, you'll recognize that next season after he retires (And I think right now that he will) and we're left with Jackson and Rosenfels to take us to 8-8.

Caine

TNViking
01-24-2010, 10:46 PM
Favre's final INT was meaningless. Had he thrown it away we would have been stuck with a 56 yd FG, almost certainly a miss and the Saints get the ball on the 46. He threw an INT and the Saints got the ball on the 47. Favre's INT was a net gain of 1 yd for the Saints.

But this is a good story so it will go down throughout history the Favre cost us the game.

What costs us the game was 6 fumbles, 5 turnovers, and 2 ridiculously conservatives runs for no gain when we were at 51 yd FG range (why not try and get in easy FG range) followed by 12 men in the huddle. You can add the bad calls but we did enough on our own.

The 11 yr curse, I tell ya!

purplehelmut
01-24-2010, 10:47 PM
He who lives by the Favre also dies by the Favre. In all fairness, Brett got us to the NFC championship, but that INT was a killer. Just run it and give Longwell a chance. Also, in fairness, we've seen Favre make that throw several times this year- maybe he was gassed or the beating he took caused him to screw it up. Just wish he would have kept on running. I'm sick to my stomach- after 40 years of living and dying with this team it's tough to take. We had 31 first downs to their 15, 475 yards to 257 (257!), 165 yards rushing to 68, TOP 36:49 to 27:56, 82 offensive plays to 55. We beat them all over the field except for the big Kahauna- 5 turnovers. With 5 turnovers you stand a snowball's chance. I give us credit- we played hard and stayed in against all odds. But I don't want to think about next year yet.....

CCthebest
01-24-2010, 10:48 PM
Farve giveth and Farve taketh away. He AD, PH, ST GAVE the Saints this game. We are 1 game away from the playoffs and have 5 TOs? WTF???

We have a terrible HC. How do we have 12 men in the motherfuckin hudle??? We played terrible. With Childress as our HC we will NEVER have the killer instinct.

We should have slaughtered these clowns but self destructed. Cant make the important INT or pick up the fumble. We fumble they score. they fumble, we give it right back. I wish to god every single coach on our team left. Start over next year.

VikingLance
01-24-2010, 10:49 PM
TNViking wrote:

Favre's final INT was meaningless. Had he thrown it away we would have been stuck with a 56 yd FG, almost certainly a miss and the Saints get the ball on the 46. He threw an INT and the Saints got the ball on the 47. Favre's INT was a net gain of 1 yd for the Saints.

But this is a good story so it will go down throughout history the Favre cost us the game.

What costs us the game was 6 fumbles, 5 turnovers, and 2 ridiculously conservatives runs for no gain when we were at 51 yd FG range (why not try and get in easy FG range) followed by 12 men in the huddle. You can add the bad calls but we did enough on our own.

The 11 yr curse, I tell ya!


In red. That is what cost us the game. We've got all offseason to fix it. Get started.

Holmstrom
01-24-2010, 10:51 PM
VikingLance wrote:

Holmstrom wrote:

Dude if you ppl actually want Favre back you are deranged. THIS was our shot. Why put the poor guy through the pain of playing for this choking LOSER organization.

You actually think he's gonna win a Super Bowl NEXT YEAR??? NEXT YEAR????? NEXT YEAR????? THIS WAS THE YR!!!! One game away!!!! haha what a freakin' joke.

This team WILL NEVER EVER EVER F*cking win. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope he goes somewhere next year and WINS A SUPER BOWL. I hope to God he goes somewhere else and wins one. He deserves it.

These Choking CLOWNS we have right now don't deserve shit. I have no idea what Visanthe's situation is but I hope he goes w/ Favre and wins it somewhere else.

Why would Favre go through the grind AGAIN at 41 only to play for tis cursed team.

Go win it Favre. Somewhere that won't put 12 men in the huddle at the most inopportune time humanly possibly. Some where that has players who don't cough up the ball everytime you get in position.

Go cheer for another team.

Kiss my ass. Go lose.

tastywaves
01-24-2010, 10:51 PM
Great ride while it lasted. Definitely one of the most exciting games I've watched in a long time. The play that hurts the most was the 12 men in the huddle. You're in field goal range, just don't go backwards and you've got a chance and then doh.

The INT by Favre didn't cost us the game. We were out of field goal range and needed to get at least 5 yards to give Longwell a shot. Maybe if the hobbled Favre runs it he gets it, but if he makes that pass the game is ours. If he misses or throws an INT, its OT.

Hard loss to take, no doubt. Give a lot of credit to the Saints fans for making that place extremely difficult to play in. Lot of credit to the Saints DL for beating the shit out of Favre.

We had a chance to win at the end and didn't get it done. That's on no one but the Vikings.

Hopefully we can grow and come back stronger next year.

Holmstrom
01-24-2010, 10:55 PM
HaHa..."The Saints have been getting takeaways all season". Those were takeaways??? Haha. That was one big GIVEAWAY. That's wjhat the vikings have done since 1961.


Sorry LSU, but the Saints aren't special in that regard...

Webby
01-24-2010, 10:57 PM
Make sure you keep your comments in check and personal attacks off.

This isn't the time for us to be banning, so be respectful of each other.

Only notice.

jkjuggalo
01-24-2010, 11:09 PM
Caine wrote:

jkjuggalo wrote:

#4kicksA$$ wrote:

jkjuggalo wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Favre is a winner in the regular season, but when it matters, he chokes on big dicks. He had great heart coming back from all those hits, but at the same time, there were times where that toughness seemed to impact his play. I loved this season, but this was a bad way to lose and Favre is a big reason we lost.

First of all without Favre there wouldn't have been a champinship game. Second Peterson is the one who choked big dicks today,open your eyes when you "watch" a game.

First of all, I never said Favre was the sole reason the Vikings lost the game. Second of all, there is now way of knowing how far the Vikings would have gone with another QB at the helm because it didn't happen. Use your head before you start questioning other people's ability to analyze a football game. If you think Favre was not a big reason the Vikings lost that game, then you sir are the one that needs to open your eyes.

Peterson, Berrian, and Harvin can all take some of the blame too, but ultimately it was Favre final STUPID play that closed out any hope of winning in regulation. All the hype about him playing a great season without any big mistakes was thrown out the window when he made that throw. Just a horrible play.
I'm going to side with #4 here...Favre didn't lose this game.

Sure, he made a bad decision....but it was prompoted by an offensive line that didn't stop anyone all game long, and a running back and 2 receivers who were fumbling away scoring drives. So, he tried to force it to Rice - his go to guy all season long - and it got picked.

But we were STILL in the game at that point.
We still had an opportunity to win the coin toss (Who in the hell picks Heads?!?!?!?).

We had an opportunity to make them drive the field (why didn't special teams tackle?).

We had the opportunity to stop them cold and force them to punt (Our Defense didn't get the stop when we needed one).

But we didn't.....

So you want to point to Favre and blame him? ROFLMAO!!! Wake up. The guy was amazing. He got DESTROYED physically out there, and the rest of the team blew it BAD!!!

But, you'll recognize that next season after he retires (And I think right now that he will) and we're left with Jackson and Rosenfels to take us to 8-8.

Caine

Are you guys even reading my posts?

You're making it out like I said Favre was the only reason we lost when I clearly said his mistake was one of the biggest out of all the other mistakes the Vikings made. Of course one play does not determine the outcome of a game, but his play at the end of regulation essentially ended our hopes of winning the game without the fates being decided by a coin toss. He could have easily run for 5-10 yards and taken a time out. Why is it so hard to admit it was a bonehead play that potentially cost us a SB berth?

I enjoyed the run while it lasted. Go Vikes!

FUCK!!!

JohnLSU
01-24-2010, 11:12 PM
Holmstrom wrote:

HaHa..."The Saints have been getting takeaways all season". Those were takeaways??? Haha. That was one big GIVEAWAY. That's wjhat the vikings have done since 1961.


Sorry LSU, but the Saints aren't special in that regard...


Dude you need take a chill pill and watch the game again.... You must have been too frustrated to comprehend what was going on... Saints were stripping and punching the ball out all game long. Hitting and rushing the QB . We have a great defense but a very underrated one...

ThorSPL
01-24-2010, 11:17 PM
Let me sum this up:

FUCK.

We showed were were the better team; we just did not execute better.

So for next year:

We need to address aging at QB and DT. We're fine at MLB; Brinkley filled in admirably. CB looks okay given our youth's progression. S picked up at the end of the year (TJ and Sanford's growth).

We may or may not need to pick up a backup RB, our WR is set, our FB could be upgraded in mid/later rounds. TE is fine, K and P are fine...

Truth be told, we have few holes to fill. If we can lure in one of them with FA, the draft goes better/easier.

C Mac D
01-24-2010, 11:17 PM
lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

Holmstrom
01-24-2010, 11:19 PM
How about our superstar safety take a ball in the hands in OT and drop it....Haha what a freakin' joke. Unreal. Simply unreal.

No one can find a way to lose like the vikings. They make me physically sick. I hate them.

C Mac D
01-24-2010, 11:21 PM
ThorSPL wrote:

Let me sum this up:

FUCK.

We showed were were the better team; we just did not execute better.

So for next year:

We need to address aging at QB and DT. We're fine at MLB; Brinkley filled in admirably. CB looks okay given our youth's progression. S picked up at the end of the year (TJ and Sanford's growth).

We may or may not need to pick up a backup RB, our WR is set, our FB could be upgraded in mid/later rounds. TE is fine, K and P are fine...

Truth be told, we have few holes to fill. If we can lure in one of them with FA, the draft goes better/easier.

Again, this team will never see the Super Bowl until a change at Head Coach first.

If he couldn't do it with the team he had this year, how do you expect him to ever make the Super Bowl?

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2010, 11:21 PM
C Mac D wrote:

ThorSPL wrote:

Let me sum this up:

FUCK.

We showed were were the better team; we just did not execute better.

So for next year:

We need to address aging at QB and DT. We're fine at MLB; Brinkley filled in admirably. CB looks okay given our youth's progression. S picked up at the end of the year (TJ and Sanford's growth).

We may or may not need to pick up a backup RB, our WR is set, our FB could be upgraded in mid/later rounds. TE is fine, K and P are fine...

Truth be told, we have few holes to fill. If we can lure in one of them with FA, the draft goes better/easier.

Again, this team will never see the Super Bowl until a change at Head Coach first.

If he couldn't do it with the team he had this year, how do you expect him to ever make the Super Bowl?

I'm curious, what do you have on Chilly for this game?

Holmstrom
01-24-2010, 11:22 PM
We have absolutley ZERO playmakers behind the D-line and it's a strecth to say that there are any there either.

No one can come up with a big takeaway. THE BALL HIT YOU IN THE HANDS!!!!!! WHAT ELSE COULD YOU POSSIBLY ASK FOR?????

kevoncox
01-24-2010, 11:23 PM
I can't believe what I'm reading.
You can blame Favre if you want to but I think you're silly to do so. I must say that the OT was the worst officiating in OT ever.

TNViking
01-24-2010, 11:23 PM
I think the Saints defense is not very good. They rely way too much on turnovers. They would rather go for the ball than tackle. It's an all or nothing style that ignores the basics. They couldn't stop us in the 2nd half.

I was a bit disappointed in the Saints in the way they went after Favre (and I've always been a bit of a Saints fan.) Their intent was to hurt him and put him out of the game. They pushed the limits of late hits, driving hits, low hits. It was obvious they wanted to take him out.

I personally blame the refs as they allowed these borderline hits. (maybe we should have done the same but...) Maybe I'm biased but I never like to see a player hurt. Still I'll be rooting for the Colts because of this.

CCthebest
01-24-2010, 11:24 PM
This is worse then 1998. We had the game. All Favre had to do was NOT F it up. And he did. And lost us this game. Because we did have it in the bag.

C Mac D
01-24-2010, 11:26 PM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

ThorSPL wrote:

Let me sum this up:

FUCK.

We showed were were the better team; we just did not execute better.

So for next year:

We need to address aging at QB and DT. We're fine at MLB; Brinkley filled in admirably. CB looks okay given our youth's progression. S picked up at the end of the year (TJ and Sanford's growth).

We may or may not need to pick up a backup RB, our WR is set, our FB could be upgraded in mid/later rounds. TE is fine, K and P are fine...

Truth be told, we have few holes to fill. If we can lure in one of them with FA, the draft goes better/easier.

Again, this team will never see the Super Bowl until a change at Head Coach first.

If he couldn't do it with the team he had this year, how do you expect him to ever make the Super Bowl?

I'm curious, what do you have on Chilly for this game?

Nothing in particular, just in general... he has never won a championship at ANY level in his entire career.

No NCAA National Championship

No Super Bowl Championship

Not even a HS Championship

Ever.


I see trend here, some people don't though. To be honest, I find it tough to root for the Vikings while Childress is our head coach.

beequick
01-24-2010, 11:27 PM
purplehelmut wrote:

He who lives by the Favre also dies by the Favre. In all fairness, Brett got us to the NFC championship, but that INT was a killer.

He played freggin amazing today! A 40 year old getting tee's off like that and coming back. That is very impressive. But not only coming back, being effective! Statistically, a top 3 quarterback in the league.

Viking would have NEVER been in the NFCCG without Farve. Someone quoted saying "We will never know because we never tried" Well, TJ is not a pimple on a 48 YO Farve! Do you think one of your backups could have a great a season as Farve had? No

Future QB.....trade a big name DL man, some drafts picks, and go get Sam Bradford. He can learn a lot if Farve sticks it out, which I hope he does. But, even I cringed with those huge hits today.

The turnovers...really cost you guys the game. But Peterson is a freggin weapon and don't bag on him too much, he opened up a lot of things when he was in...Shianco (Sp?). If the Saints offense would have been more effective it would have been ugly and if you guys didn't turn the ball over it could have been ugly. Well fought game and you guys made the Saints "O" look extremely nervous.

Great game guys...I hope you guys make some good acquisitions in the off season!

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2010, 11:28 PM
We had the ball inside the 10 at the end of the half - peterson fumble
We start driving again - Harvin Fumble
yet anothe rpromising drive - Berrian Fumble
Drive yet again, near the end of Longwells range - Favre pick

OT: need a stop: Ball lands in TJ's hands, but he can't catch it.

seriously? F my life

kevoncox
01-24-2010, 11:32 PM
Leber knocked it out. It wasn't Johnson's fault.

vikings305
01-24-2010, 11:34 PM
I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

C Mac D
01-24-2010, 11:34 PM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

We had the ball inside the 10 at the end of the half - peterson fumble
We start driving again - Harvin Fumble
yet anothe rpromising drive - Berrian Fumble
Drive yet again, near the end of Longwells range - Favre pick

OT: need a stop: Ball lands in TJ's hands, but he can't catch it.

seriously? F my life

+1

C Mac D
01-24-2010, 11:37 PM
vikings305 wrote:

I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

Favre threw the INT across the field when we only needed about 6-7 yards to be in field goal range with less than a minute on the clock.

vikings305
01-24-2010, 11:41 PM
C Mac D wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

Favre threw the INT across the field when we only needed about 6-7 yards to be in field goal range with less than a minute on the clock.

Game lasted 30 seconds then...

DiehardVikesFan
01-24-2010, 11:43 PM
vikings305 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

Favre threw the INT across the field when we only needed about 6-7 yards to be in field goal range with less than a minute on the clock.

Game lasted 30 seconds then...

It came down to that 30 seconds.

kevoncox
01-24-2010, 11:43 PM
C Mac D wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

Favre threw the INT across the field when we only needed about 6-7 yards to be in field goal range with less than a minute on the clock.

Sometimes I take your post seriously but then I remember you act this way for attention and you don't really mean what you say. :side:

vikings305
01-24-2010, 11:43 PM
..and why was that?

DiehardVikesFan
01-24-2010, 11:48 PM
vikings305 wrote:

..and why was that?

watch the game. Most people have no problem pointing a fingrer at a kicker for losing a game so i dont have one pointing one at favre for throwing a dumbass int in that situation. not saying he gets all the blame, but he contributed to the chokejob.

vikings305
01-24-2010, 11:50 PM
DiehardVikesFan wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

..and why was that?

watch the game. Most people have no problem pointing a fingrer at a kicker for losing a game so i dont have one pointing one at favre for throwing a dumbass int in that situation. not saying he gets all the blame, but he contributed to the chokejob.

I did watch the stupid game that's why I can't blame it entirely on Favre.

PD: blaming the kicker is not right either :( (except for San Diego)

DiehardVikesFan
01-24-2010, 11:52 PM
vikings305 wrote:

DiehardVikesFan wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

..and why was that?

watch the game. Most people have no problem pointing a fingrer at a kicker for losing a game so i dont have one pointing one at favre for throwing a dumbass int in that situation. not saying he gets all the blame, but he contributed to the chokejob.

I did watch the stupid game that's why I can't blame it entirely on Favre.

PD: blaming the kicker is not right either :( (except for San Diego)
now i just feel bad for you

vikings305
01-24-2010, 11:53 PM
DiehardVikesFan wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

DiehardVikesFan wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

..and why was that?

watch the game. Most people have no problem pointing a fingrer at a kicker for losing a game so i dont have one pointing one at favre for throwing a dumbass int in that situation. not saying he gets all the blame, but he contributed to the chokejob.

I did watch the stupid game that's why I can't blame it entirely on Favre.

PD: blaming the kicker is not right either :( (except for San Diego)
now i just feel bad for you

:pinch:

Holmstrom
01-25-2010, 12:07 AM
Postgame Favre says the INT was designed to go to Berrian in the flat, but the Saints checked out of man and into zone so whatever....Am I crazy or was Berrian OPEN!!!!!!! In fact I believe Bernard was the most open person out there.

It would've been a weird angle to hit him but Christ, the defender, who was near Berrian had then dropped back to cover someone else and the worst that could've happened is an incompleteion.

The only thing I can think is that Favre didn't look at Berrian long enough to realize that he eventually got open on the play.

WTF...what a kick in the balls. I seriously can't believe it.

Webby
01-25-2010, 12:23 AM
Reminder every person needs to show respect to others and no personal attacks.

gregair13
01-25-2010, 12:38 AM
This topic is taking a turn for the worse.

mnvikes61
01-25-2010, 12:58 AM
My two cents for the postgame after a few hours of cooling off. I have to say this we played our hearts out in this one. If I had been told prior to the game that we would have 5 or more, I lost count, fumbles and 2 ints, I would have said the game was going to be a blow out. To my surprise the Vikings kept fighting back everytime I was beginning to lose hope.

There is no way to blame this game on a single player for me. There were some bone heads moves, but most of them were fighting for the extra yard which I can accept for the most part.

The only parts of the game that I thought we performed poorly in were pass protection and getting to Brees. Farve spent most of the game on his back and I thought he was dead when he got planted into the ground. It may sound like sour grapes, but I really don't give a damn. The Saints laid some dirty hits on Farve and it seemed from the get go that they didn't care if they were penalized, they were going to hurt Farve. Another complaint was the lack of pressure on Brees. I know Brees didn't light us up, but he had a lot of time to scan the field. Also, probably just cause of the hits to Farve, I wanted to see someone lay Brees out, legally of course. Vikings shouldn't sink to the Saints level.

Stonecoldet3
01-25-2010, 01:09 AM
mnvikes61 wrote:

My two cents for the postgame after a few hours of cooling off. I have to say this we played our hearts out in this one. If I had been told prior to the game that we would have 5 or more, I lost count, fumbles and 2 ints, I would have said the game was going to be a blow out. To my surprise the Vikings kept fighting back everytime I was beginning to lose hope.

There is no way to blame this game on a single player for me. There were some bone heads moves, but most of them were fighting for the extra yard which I can accept for the most part.

The only parts of the game that bothered me was the lack of protection for Farve. He spent most of the game on his back and I thought he was dead when he got planted into the ground. It may sound like sour grapes, but I really don't give a damn. The Saints laid some dirty hits on Farve and it seemed from the get go that they didn't care if they were penalized, they were going to hurt Farve. Another complaint was the lack of pressure on Brees. I know Brees didn't light us up, but he had a lot of time to scan the field. Also, probably just cause of the hits to Farve, I wanted to see someone lay Brees out, legally of course. Vikings shouldn't sink to the Saints level.

This is the one thing that has bothered me the most about this game. After watching several replays I believe the Saints defense were intentially trying to hurt Favre.

I hope that the NFL fines not only the players that were involved with these cheap shots but the head coach as well.

Holmstrom
01-25-2010, 01:14 AM
You'd think after watching Peterson's troubles of holding onto the ball while fighting for extra yards they'd know how costly not protecting the ball can be.

What's the use of fighting for an extra yard if you lose the ball in the process. I'll never forgive those three guys for that shit and I'll have a hard time cheering for them from here on out. That's unacceptable and just ridiculous.

the life of a Vikings fan. What a bunch of losers we are and ALWAYS will be. I hate the Vikings.

DiehardVikesFan
01-25-2010, 01:27 AM
Holmstrom wrote:

You'd think after watching Peterson's troubles of holding onto the ball while fighting for extra yards they'd know how costly not protecting the ball can be.

What's the use of fighting for an extra yard if you lose the ball in the process. I'll never forgive those three guys for that shit and I'll have a hard time cheering for them from here on out. That's unacceptable and just ridiculous.

the life of a Vikings fan. What a bunch of losers we are and ALWAYS will be. I hate the Vikings.

tell us how you really feel.

seriously, you need a beer or 20.

super seriously, being a viking fan does suck. but then you realize our team might suck, but all the other teams fans are a bunch of sallys. it takes cajones to be a vikes fan though.

Reignman
01-25-2010, 01:56 AM
Do we need to put anyone on suicide watch?

No doubt about it, this franchise is cursed, snake bitten, whatever you want to call it. 49 straight years of failure has to be called something, especially the way ours seem to end on a regular basis.

What were the odds that we would have to suffer through another NFCC loss like the one in '98, and so soon after? Ohhh that's right, this is the Vikings we're talking about.

The one thing I noticed about the 12 man thing, was it was just after a timeout, which makes it even more inexcusable, but the Vikes caught a bit of a break because they were trying to call another timeout to avoid the 12 man thing, but 2 consecutive timeouts would've been a 15yd penalty.

Knowing how things turned out, it doesn't matter now, but I nearly threw the remote through the TV thinking we were getting 15 for something as stupid as 2 consecutive timeouts.

tarpley_jim
01-25-2010, 02:41 AM
My only thought for this game is that I hope that both Pat Williams and Brett Favre decide to not retire. This would mean that the only starter that would not return is Ray Edwards, unless he is re-signed.

When you have 5 turnovers and are still in the game, you have a talented team.

It is extremely rare to have this assortment of talent on a team on both sides of the ball and wasting it is a shame, but I think that luck just wasn't on the Vikings' side this year (Losing E.J. to that horrible injury, hamstring injury to Berrian that lingered all season, entire D-Line being injured in this game, Winfield breaking his foot early and being unable to have significant playing time in the playoffs, etc.)

The fact is that this team could come back better next year, if it remains intact.

ConnecticutViking
01-25-2010, 05:30 AM
I know everyone is hurting... I am too. It all comes down to turnovers... You can't cough it up in the NFL. I hate Chilly, but I thought offensively and defensively we dominated both ends. I had to say it was pure ballz to come out throwing the way we did and I liked it. Without Favre we are a 9-7 team this year. We could have put more pressure on Brees and near the end our guys were pretty banged up. Remember... Griffin was knocked out, Wingfield at 70% and 3/4 of our D line were probable coming in. No excuses! But in the end... It was a great year. I just wished we called tails...Tails never fails.

Marrdro
01-25-2010, 05:51 AM
Not one to use cliche's to get my point across, however, in this case, as I sit here getting ready to head into the comm closet for a 12 hour shift, that is all that is running through my brain.

As I ponder which one to choose, a few thoughts.....


For those of you who are experiencing a loss like this for the first time, get used to it. Its call being a fan. Every team, not just the Vikes, do it to thier fans. Us Vikings fans who have been here since the start of this can tell you, we just seem to loose alot of "Big ones". I bet there are alot of fans out there who would love to see thier team get to the Championship game or the SB. Means they had a team that was a legitimate team throughout the year.

For those of you who have been there and done that so many times, I feel for you my long suffering friends.

Anyway, cliche's still abound and I can't seem to narrow it down to just one, so here are a couple that top the list......


a. The team that wins the turnover battle wins the game.
b. Lifes a bitch and then you die.

The ole Chiller and the FO pukes have improved this team each and every year.

When he first got here, everyone was worrying about LB'rs as being our weakness. Then it shifted to DE, quickly followed by WR's and then the QB.

Funny thing, we have increased our wins each and every year, have improved our starters at every position, seen some great young rooks step in when starters go down (equates to depth) and we almost made it to the big dance this year.

We have a ownership group who wants to give us a winner, a FO who seems to have a clue on how to work the CAP and a scouting staff who seems to know what type of players the coaches need to make the team better.

Having said all that, and if the future might still seem bleak to most of you, I will leave you with one last cliche that I seem to use alot this time of year........

c. .........Next year Baby........... :)(Lots of smiley faces) :)

singersp
01-25-2010, 05:52 AM
Eldin wrote:

Refs make mistakes, but this game was not one-sided enough to warrant complaints.

For example, the roughing the passer on Favre was a really, really weak call. Incidentally, karma came through on that drive and he ended up throwing an INT anyway.

The pass interference in over time was a bad call that went against us. It was a desperation throw, ball was un-catchable, didn't seem to be that much contact anyway.

But it shouldn't have come to that . . .

It was that he lifted him up & drove him into the carpet that warranted the flag. How soon people forget how many times JA was flagged for & fined for lesser hits on a QB.

IMO, there should have been more roughing the passer flags than what there were, based on how we & other teams have been flagged for it.

singersp
01-25-2010, 05:53 AM
Eldin wrote:

Refs make mistakes, but this game was not one-sided enough to warrant complaints.

For example, the roughing the passer on Favre was a really, really weak call. Incidentally, karma came through on that drive and he ended up throwing an INT anyway.

The pass interference in over time was a bad call that went against us. It was a desperation throw, ball was un-catchable, didn't seem to be that much contact anyway.

But it shouldn't have come to that . . .

It was that he lifted him up & drove him into the carpet that warranted the flag. How soon people forget how many times JA was flagged for & fined for lesser hits on a QB.

IMO, there should have been more roughing the passer flags than what there were, based on how we & other teams have been flagged for it.

singersp
01-25-2010, 05:57 AM
i_bleed_purple wrote:


Lastly, if you're going to say "hahaha, I was right, Favre cost us, I'd consider waiting a few days. You will not get a nice response, and i'm sure multiple people here will no longer be members"

Do you actually believe that if people blame Favre for costing us the game with that last pick (ala the way TJ was blamed enmasse for his one pick in last years playoff game) that multiple people are going to leave the site?

singersp
01-25-2010, 06:02 AM
skum wrote:

Tad7 wrote:

Hopefully Favre makes his decision soon

Im thinking about mid August

Would that be your guess to his first decision or his second one?

AngloVike
01-25-2010, 06:42 AM
ok my two pennyworth after a couple of hours sleep


When you turnover the ball as much as we did then it was amazing that we hung in as long as we did. That speaks a lot for the character of the team and the way they pulled for each other - yes I say that despite all the finger pointing that is and will take place after this. Now my points are as follows:

Favre - these were the type of games that he was brought in to get us through and for this one he wasn't able to. This isn't a knock on him even though a lot of people will complain about the INT in that last minute of regulation time. He should have run for the clear yards he had in front of him - we know it and he knows it but it was an error of judgement and these things happen. I wasn't one of those who wanted to bring him here but I'm not putting the loss on him for that error. When you see the battering that he took and the hits ( more about those later )and the fact he still came back for more speaks volumes for the guy and he has my utmost respect for that.

Ball handling - given that we've been reasonably good all season long with ball handling - apart from AP who is getting a bad rep for it- then yesterday was a definite case of butter fingers all round. Some was due to nerves I'm sure but also credit to the Saints defence who did what all D's should do and go after the ball carrier. We need to look at this in the off season and see what can be done to improve ball handling and ball protection.

Defence against the pass - poor, apart from the very late stages of regulation time, we got virtually no pressure on Brees at all and so let them move about far more easier than they should have been able to. Frazier needs to look at his defensive scheming more in the off season else we'll be getting more of the same next year. We can't keep relying on JA to be the only one getting into the backfield.

One thing was clear, the Saints were out to get Favre come what may - as you'd expect- and that led to some highly questionable plays and hits being dished out. Before any Saints fan starts whining and saying that is part of the game then look again at the game film. We've seen Jared Allen fined in his two years here for lesser hits and had the penalties as well. So don't pretend your defence was playing other than dirty when the occasion presented itself. I just hope that Brees gets the same treatment when the Colts line up and then we'll soon hear the bitching all the way from Bourbon Street. Was it the direct cause of us losing? not at all but it was an unnecessary part and lost you a lot of goodwill from many people.

Playcalling - started off well but by the end of regulation Childress was starting to get conservative and twitchy again. If Favre isn't with us next season then the KAO will be back to it's original one page format as Chilly won't trust anyone else with running it. It could be a long couple of years now he has his contract extension unless we have a QB that is given room to move within it.

Am I bitter? not at all as it was an opportunity lost but I don't feel as bad as I did after the Falcons or Giants NFCC games. If we had won then it would have been against the odds given the way that the gamine was going for us.

In all it was a game that the Vikes could have won but didn't due to not seizing the opportunities given to them, whereas the Saints did and they deserve credit for that. It did show that that they're not the great team that many were proclaiming during the season and I can see Peyton Manning already deciding where to hang the picture of himself receiving the Lombardi trophy in two weeks time. He'll be licking his chops at the prospect of playing Brees and co.

Still now it's time to start off season activities and see what that brings us :)

singersp
01-25-2010, 06:47 AM
I read these pages & am finding people blaming Favre for the loss, others still defending his play. I see others blaming AD, others blaming it on Harvin & Berrians fumbles, the O-line's inability to protect (no surprise to me here), the missed interception & even the coin toss in OT as the reasons.

(FYI, officially the turnovers were FUMBLES: AD (0), Harvin (1), Berrian (1), Favre (1). INT's: Favre (2) )

To that, I will add lack of pressure on Brees by our DL.

In essence, you are all correct in a way. Add them all together & that is what cost us the game & not any single one in particular. (The way the blame SHOULD have been last year).

With that said, I was surprised we were even still in a position to win it after giving up the ball 5 times & being -4 in the giveaway/takeaway department.

It was a well fought, great game & turnovers (all of them & being -4) was the biggest contributing factor) IMO. It's tough to overcome that, but we just about did & that speaks volumes of our team.


Hey, at least it wasn't 41-doughnut.

Proud2BPurple
01-25-2010, 06:55 AM
After my 3 hours sleep i've had time in work this morning to go over the game that kept me up til 3.30am in the UK!

Repeating evertything i know but turnovers killed us. We looked good - Brett made some big plays and AP ran hard. We are a better football team than the Saints and it drives me crazy that we've missed out on the big show.

The way they were hittin Brett was dirty - the one he got injured on looked like a helmet to knee? That ain't Football.

Its a shame that Bretts unbelievable season is overshadowed by that one pass.

He'll be back and he'll be as good next year - this team will only improve.

SKOL

Rockmolder
01-25-2010, 07:03 AM
singersp wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Refs make mistakes, but this game was not one-sided enough to warrant complaints.

For example, the roughing the passer on Favre was a really, really weak call. Incidentally, karma came through on that drive and he ended up throwing an INT anyway.

The pass interference in over time was a bad call that went against us. It was a desperation throw, ball was un-catchable, didn't seem to be that much contact anyway.

But it shouldn't have come to that . . .

It was that he lifted him up & drove him into the carpet that warranted the flag. How soon people forget how many times JA was flagged for & fined for lesser hits on a QB.

IMO, there should have been more roughing the passer flags than what there were, based on how we & other teams have been flagged for it.

I have to agree with Eldin. That was one penalty that I very much doubted. Of course you try to get the QB to the ground if you don't know that the ball is away yet. He doesn't have eyes in the back of his helmet. Maybe they where a little rougher with Favre, but most of what they did appeared to be legal. This one included.

Only the McCray hit after Favre had gotten rit of the ball for quite a while was a useless one and did warrant a flag.

That said, I think that you guys played a great game overall. If Harvin doesn't fumble all the way back at the 7, you give up just 21 points to one of the most potent offenses in the game. Pierre Thomas had a decent game, but Brees was off target pretty often, rattled by the defense or just great coverage in the secondary. The safeties where actually quite active in run support and had some decent coverage. Something I didn't expect to see at all.

The offense was moving with ease, as well. If it wheren't for the 20 turnovers, you should've won this one by a landslide.

But in the end, I guess that it matters little. If you throw 2 picks and fumble 6 times, losing 3, it gets really hard to win.

#4kicksA$$
01-25-2010, 07:15 AM
C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

I suppose you would rather have went with T-Jack this year,then the Vikes wouldn't have even had a sniff of the championship game. When Brett retires this year you will see how much he will be missed. He may have been only been with the team one season,but they will never fill his shoes.

VikingMike
01-25-2010, 07:49 AM
singersp wrote:

I read these pages & am finding people blaming Favre for the loss, others still defending his play. I see others blaming AD, others blaming it on Harvin & Berrians fumbles, the O-line's inability to protect (no surprise to me here), the missed interception & even the coin toss in OT as the reasons.

(FYI, officially the turnovers were FUMBLES: AD (0), Harvin (1), Berrian (1), Favre (1). INT's: Favre (2) )

To that, I will add lack of pressure on Brees by our DL.

In essence, you are all correct in a way. Add them all together & that is what cost us the game & not any single one in particular. (The way the blame SHOULD have been last year).

With that said, I was surprised we were even still in a position to win it after giving up the ball 5 times & being -4 in the giveaway/takeaway department.

It was a well fought, great game & turnovers (all of them & being -4) was the biggest contributing factor) IMO. It's tough to overcome that, but we just about did & that speaks volumes of our team.


Hey, at least it wasn't 41-doughnut.


Yup, that's the most incredible thing to me...all of that and we're still in a good position to win in regulation. (And also what hurts the most too.)

dfosterf
01-25-2010, 08:04 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Not one to use cliche's to get my point across, however, in this case, as I sit here getting ready to head into the comm closet for a 12 hour shift, that is all that is running through my brain.

As I ponder which one to choose, a few thoughts.....


For those of you who are experiencing a loss like this for the first time, get used to it. Its call being a fan. Every team, not just the Vikes, do it to thier fans. Us Vikings fans who have been here since the start of this can tell you, we just seem to loose alot of "Big ones". I bet there are alot of fans out there who would love to see thier team get to the Championship game or the SB. Means they had a team that was a legitimate team throughout the year.

For those of you who have been there and done that so many times, I feel for you my long suffering friends.

Anyway, cliche's still abound and I can't seem to narrow it down to just one, so here are a couple that top the list......


a. The team that wins the turnover battle wins the game.
b. Lifes a bitch and then you die.

The ole Chiller and the FO pukes have improved this team each and every year.

When he first got here, everyone was worrying about LB'rs as being our weakness. Then it shifted to DE, quickly followed by WR's and then the QB.

Funny thing, we have increased our wins each and every year, have improved our starters at every position, seen some great young rooks step in when starters go down (equates to depth) and we almost made it to the big dance this year.

We have a ownership group who wants to give us a winner, a FO who seems to have a clue on how to work the CAP and a scouting staff who seems to know what type of players the coaches need to make the team better.

Having said all that, and if the future might still seem bleak to most of you, I will leave you with one last cliche that I seem to use alot this time of year........

c. .........Next year Baby........... :)(Lots of smiley faces) :)

We are taking you out next year. :P

Great post.

I didn't root for your team to win, I know you understand that, but I really would have got over it, whatever success the Vikes had this year.

I just wanted to say that the small part of me that was rooting for the Vikings to succeed has to do with knowing that feeling when you lose, and not wishing it upon folks you like, whatever their team affiliation.

I chose to respond to you, Marr, because you represent so much of what is right about PPO, and I really hope that my omission of others -- as in not naming them--- is understood by them because I do not want to be going willy-nilly all over this forum after that heart-wrenching loss...

I just want you, Webby, Uffda, Singer, Prophet, -Z- ---- many others----the ones with class----you know who you are...I don't think the better team won last night, obviously the turnovers were killers, so I'm feelin' that pain... it is indeed a hard way to lose.

+1 for a very classy post after that loss, and +1 for generalized class.

Please issue additional plus 1's accordingly on my behalf,I would trust your good judgement to know who (and who not) to give them to. After the dust settles some, I'll be back to engage you fine folk in some spirited discussion.

PAvikesfan
01-25-2010, 08:10 AM
Ugh.

Tough game to swallow.

The Saint played good, not great. The Vikings played to that level.

Simply put, we had 5 turn overs to a very opportunistic defense. We lost because of that. We never should have been in this game with the 4 To's before Favre's biggest TO with seconds left in the 4rth. 4 TO's to a better team, we would have had our as$es handed to us. To think, Favre scrambles instead of throwing that ball, we would have had a chance for Longwell to kick a 49-52 yarder to win. and we would be praising Favre for his toughness with a successful kick through the uprights..

Favre was getting killed and still kept playing at a high level. We should be thankful that TJack didn't have to come in when we were 21-28.

anyway, that was heartbreaking cause this was our best shot ast the superbowl and favre will never play at this level again even if he does come back next season.

JeffSeimon
01-25-2010, 08:12 AM
After a sleepless night with my stomach churning like someone was kicking me in the gut,here are my thoughts.
First off,I feel sorry for my wife of 25 years.She became a Viking fan(no choice)when we married. She cried her eyes out after the loss.My 20 year old daughter cried.My 23 year old son cussed,probably the 3rd time he ever has in front of me.
Its hard being a Viking fan of 34 years,and I brought them all up in this purple passion.
That being said,we will all be swelling with Viking pride again next season,be it PaPa Farve or TJ at the helm.
I dont fault Farve on the last pick.The guy had to make something happen on that play or we were looking at a 56 yard fg. He threw into single coverage and hoped Rice came up with it.The fault was 12 men in the huddle..pathetic. The first pick looked like Sidney broke the pattern.

As for the refs...The end of the game was unfair,period.
On setting up our tying TD,Shank was dragging their db and he ripped Shanks undershirt over 12".No flag. The Saints last 4th and 1,no way he got that. The review on the Saints catch after that,he never had posession,clearly.Leber pass interfence call made me throw up in my mouth.
The lesser team won,and they certainly had help at the end.
Then again,the 3 turnovers inside the 10 was the real loss.

God Bless Farve.The guy gutted it out and gave it his all.He was a big part of where we got. I just hope he is back next season. If not,I hope TJ has improved.

Guess I better go fishing before I throw a dang chair through the window.

SKOL

digital420
01-25-2010, 08:16 AM
I wanted to rest a bit before slamming on the keys to post here..


i'm stilll... in shock..

even up to the last 1,min 30 sec of the 4th qtr.. we had givin up so many turnovers that most teams would have been behiend by a HUGE score with the saints..

we were still commanding..


with the amount of times we didn't score on possessions. any other team would be sooo far behiend the saints it would be allready over..

but no.. we stuck with it. we pushed on.. and we were marching for the game winner!! things were moving well.. ok.. a mix up in the last second caused a 5 yrd penelty.. give it to AP or CT and have them just run up the middle.. get 1 or 2 or 5-6 yards.. dind't we still have a T.O?

why.. ohhh why.. did farve roll out.. then toss that across the field? there was green grass infront of you.. run a few steps.. ben on the sideline!! step out!! kick the game winner!!!

ugg.. so many things worked up to this loss.. it was ours to win.. dominated on D, almost doubled their yards.. and we held the #1 offense to mild mannered production!! that Sbowl should be ours!! but.. no.. we fell short of the glory.. fell short of our potential.. i won't say we choked.. cause if you review it. 2 of the fumbles were.. bound to happen.. 3 of them.. shoulda never happened.

the ints.. well take away that last one and i can live with it.. but.. we did loose it ourselves.. we kept them in the game with 6 turnovers.. but.. we showed we are the dominant team.. and we SHOULD be in the champ seat for years to come.. (at least if we keep brett next year.. or get Tjack up to the next level)

so, here's to the probowl, and here's to next season!! this next year draft should be more about 2-3 key positions.. rather then getting as many bodies as possible!

SKOL VIKINGS!! thanx for the great season!! was a blast to be along for the ride!!

DiGiTaL

Namius
01-25-2010, 08:22 AM
It's probably because I cashed out my 401k last Friday, but after watching this game and listening to my brother bitch and whine (okay I was too), I bet him $100 we will make it to the Super Bowl next year. It started off as a ha ha you're joking kind of thing, but the more I thought about, the more I confident I got. Sure all the pieces were in place this year, but as I think someone else said since Childress got here things have steadily improved, in terms of results and personnel.

It probably is too soon for rah rah rah next year stuff, but I couldn't sleep this loss off and it's 620am here, but I want to say that in 24 hours I'll feel the same way and not ask for that hundred back.

singersp
01-25-2010, 08:29 AM
I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Marrdro
01-25-2010, 08:29 AM
dfosterf wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Not one to use cliche's to get my point across, however, in this case, as I sit here getting ready to head into the comm closet for a 12 hour shift, that is all that is running through my brain.

As I ponder which one to choose, a few thoughts.....


For those of you who are experiencing a loss like this for the first time, get used to it. Its call being a fan. Every team, not just the Vikes, do it to thier fans. Us Vikings fans who have been here since the start of this can tell you, we just seem to loose alot of "Big ones". I bet there are alot of fans out there who would love to see thier team get to the Championship game or the SB. Means they had a team that was a legitimate team throughout the year.

For those of you who have been there and done that so many times, I feel for you my long suffering friends.

Anyway, cliche's still abound and I can't seem to narrow it down to just one, so here are a couple that top the list......


a. The team that wins the turnover battle wins the game.
b. Lifes a bitch and then you die.

The ole Chiller and the FO pukes have improved this team each and every year.

When he first got here, everyone was worrying about LB'rs as being our weakness. Then it shifted to DE, quickly followed by WR's and then the QB.

Funny thing, we have increased our wins each and every year, have improved our starters at every position, seen some great young rooks step in when starters go down (equates to depth) and we almost made it to the big dance this year.

We have a ownership group who wants to give us a winner, a FO who seems to have a clue on how to work the CAP and a scouting staff who seems to know what type of players the coaches need to make the team better.

Having said all that, and if the future might still seem bleak to most of you, I will leave you with one last cliche that I seem to use alot this time of year........

c. .........Next year Baby........... :)(Lots of smiley faces) :)

We are taking you out next year. :P

Great post.

I didn't root for your team to win, I know you understand that, but I really would have got over it, whatever success the Vikes had this year.

I just wanted to say that the small part of me that was rooting for the Vikings to succeed has to do with knowing that feeling when you lose, and not wishing it upon folks you like, whatever their team affiliation.

I chose to respond to you, Marr, because you represent so much of what is right about PPO, and I really hope that my omission of others -- as in not naming them--- is understood by them because I do not want to be going willy-nilly all over this forum after that heart-wrenching loss...

I just want you, Webby, Uffda, Singer, Prophet, -Z- ---- many others----the ones with class----you know who you are...I don't think the better team won last night, obviously the turnovers were killers, so I'm feelin' that pain... it is indeed a hard way to lose.

+1 for a very classy post after that loss, and +1 for generalized class.

Please issue additional plus 1's accordingly on my behalf,I would trust your good judgement to know who (and who not) to give them to. After the dust settles some, I'll be back to engage you fine folk in some spirited discussion.
You give me props I don't deserve my friend, but thanks none-the-less.

As to taking us out next year.......It is gonna be a fun off season as we tweak a few issues on both teams.

I just hope our GM (Yes Singer and Z, I know he isn't called a GM) does a better job of yours filling the coaches needs when it comes to players.

And, as always, you add a touch of class to this site, even though you do cheer for the wrong team my green and gold friend. ;)

BRANflakes69
01-25-2010, 08:29 AM
Im still sick to my stomach........I want to know how Favre cost that game for us...Yes he did throw that interception in the last minute of the game which could of been a game winning drive. BUT what if AP wouldnt of fumbled before half, and we scored AT LEAST a feild goal? Vikings would of won, right?

singersp
01-25-2010, 08:30 AM
Vikings Explain How They Lost the Game

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/vikings-explain-how-they-lost-the-game/

Marrdro
01-25-2010, 08:30 AM
singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.
Carefull my friend. Your gonna get lumped into the "Marrdro Concensus". :woohoo:

Marrdro
01-25-2010, 08:39 AM
singersp wrote:

Vikings Explain How They Lost the Game

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/vikings-explain-how-they-lost-the-game/
Thanks for the read my long time missing newshound. Glad to see you back.

purpledoom
01-25-2010, 08:40 AM
I'm listening to Cris Carter on Mike and Mike right now. He was on the sidelines last night and he says Farve put this team on his back last night.

Now I know he threw a stupid pick at the end but damn. My respect for him has grown, the way he kept getting back up and coming at them was something. Now what in the hell do you do about AD's hands I mean my Lord if he hadn't muffed that handoff in the redzone we wouldn't have been in that 30 second spot to begin with.

Minniman
01-25-2010, 09:12 AM
There are many things here that have already been stated, and I will likely expand on them here or in the appropriate topics, but not right now.

At this time, I would like to bring up that this season, much like 1998, was a perfect storm for the Minnesota Vikings. The combination of players, coaches, schedule, and intangibles created an environment for a Super Bowl winning season. Much like in 1998, the Minnesota Vikings fell short in an overtime game for the NFC championship.

The assumption that next year will be better is not valid logically or historically. The Vikings have a more difficult schedule with many playoff or near playoff teams. Brett Favre may or may not be back again, and even if he is, he may not be able to repeat the magic of this season. The Vikings had relatively few injuries this season, and that may not hold. There are just too many variables to expect the 2010 season to be much different than the 1999 season.

The Vikings may get better, but so may the Saints, Cowboys, Packers, and other contenders, and the Vikings had good playoff match ups that may not come next year. The Vikings dominated the Cowboys and outplayed the Saints. The ring was in their grasp, but they just could not hold onto it.

That is why this game hurts Vikings fans so bad. We say, "Wait until next year," but we know in the back of our minds that next year may be good but not great. We understand the missed opportunities like no other fans in the NFL. The Vikings are the winningest losers in modern NFL history.

So I say with a heavy heart, "Wait until next year," but I do not know if I really believe it.

VikingLance
01-25-2010, 09:19 AM
It still hurts. It seems like I kept replaying the game in my head all night. Not much sleep.

I've got to say, the team did an awesome job keeping their heads up and staying in the game. With 5 turnovers, it shouldn't have been close. I think we could make a case about how each turnover was the one that cost us the game. Fortunately, we were still in the game, driving for the win, so it is the last one that Ultimately cost us.

Take away the turnovers, and T Jack would've been in with 5 minutes left eating up clock. Yes, the Vikings had a Super Bowl caliber team this year. It's gonna hurt for a while, especially in a couple of weeks when the big game is on and my team is at home. I've got faith that we will continue to improve in the offseason, as we have since Wilf took over.

damn............. :(

vike_mike
01-25-2010, 09:23 AM
I am angry just like every other Vikings fan across the world is. However I just have to know one thing: Who's call was it to throw the ball in that situation with :19 seconds left? I just have to know that. Was it Childress or Favre's decision. I still love my team no matter what. I will tell you this. The Saints should not be happy with this win that they received.

Minniman
01-25-2010, 09:28 AM
vike_mike wrote:

I am angry just like every other Vikings fan across the world is. However I just have to know one thing: Who's call was it to throw the ball in that situation with :19 seconds left? I just have to know that. Was it Childress or Favre's decision. I still love my team no matter what. I will tell you this. The Saints should not be happy with this win that they received.

If it was my call, I would roll and throw it. The Vikings only needed 5-7 yards for a try. Throwing across the field was a mistake by Favre, and if the play was designed to push Rice all of the way across, it likely would not have ended up as a pick.

jmcdon00
01-25-2010, 09:29 AM
vike_mike wrote:

I am angry just like every other Vikings fan across the world is. However I just have to know one thing: Who's call was it to throw the ball in that situation with :19 seconds left? I just have to know that. Was it Childress or Favre's decision. I still love my team no matter what. I will tell you this. The Saints should not be happy with this win that they received.
I don't know who called a pass, but it was a Favre decision to throw across his body 40 yards across the field to try and complete a 5 yard play. I'm sure nobody drew it up that way.

i_bleed_purple
01-25-2010, 09:48 AM
singersp wrote:

i_bleed_purple wrote:


Lastly, if you're going to say "hahaha, I was right, Favre cost us, I'd consider waiting a few days. You will not get a nice response, and i'm sure multiple people here will no longer be members"

Do you actually believe that if people blame Favre for costing us the game with that last pick (ala the way TJ was blamed enmasse for his one pick in last years playoff game) that multiple people are going to leave the site?

no, I believe if at the time, someone came in saying how right they were the whole time, it may have gotten heated. People have left for similar reasons, could very well happen again.

PAvikesfan
01-25-2010, 10:19 AM
Minniman wrote:

There are many things here that have already been stated, and I will likely expand on them here or in the appropriate topics, but not right now.

At this time, I would like to bring up that this season, much like 1998, was a perfect storm for the Minnesota Vikings. The combination of players, coaches, schedule, and intangibles created an environment for a Super Bowl winning season. Much like in 1998, the Minnesota Vikings fell short in an overtime game for the NFC championship.

The assumption that next year will be better is not valid logically or historically. The Vikings have a more difficult schedule with many playoff or near playoff teams. Brett Favre may or may not be back again, and even if he is, he may not be able to repeat the magic of this season. The Vikings had relatively few injuries this season, and that may not hold. There are just too many variables to expect the 2010 season to be much different than the 1999 season.

The Vikings may get better, but so may the Saints, Cowboys, Packers, and other contenders, and the Vikings had good playoff match ups that may not come next year. The Vikings dominated the Cowboys and outplayed the Saints. The ring was in their grasp, but they just could not hold onto it.

That is why this game hurts Vikings fans so bad. We say, "Wait until next year," but we know in the back of our minds that next year may be good but not great. We understand the missed opportunities like no other fans in the NFL. The Vikings are the winningest losers in modern NFL history.

So I say with a heavy heart, "Wait until next year," but I do not know if I really believe it.

Yep, kind of how I see next year. Even if Favre comes back, there is no way he will play as good. He had a career year.

This is how I see our roster next season, our key players (the ones that will definitely still be here):

All our skilled offensive players will only be as good as our QB, except AP and Harvin. If Favre comes back:

AP - slightly better production, maybe not more TD's but slightly more yards.
Rice - another great season, but slightly less productive.
CT - same production
Shancoe - same production
Harvin - same production

If Favre retires and we rely on just Tjack or Rosenthals:

AP - slightly better production, maybe not more TD's but definitely more yards.
Rice - significantly less productive, like half as many TD's and 1/4 less receptions
CT - slightly less productive
Shancoe - Less productive, 1/4 less TD's
Harvin - Same production

Our Defense:
This is where we will be hurting the most regardless of Favre or not -duh:

Pat Williams - Less Productive, age
Winfield - Never will regain his productivity, age
EJ - will come back and play great again
Edwards - same production, slightly more sacks
Allen - slightly less production, hard to match that career year, but he definitely could

Long story short:
The Vikings will not be as good in 2010, regardless of whether Favre comes back or not cause of our aging key players on defense (unless we upgrade)and the unlikeliness of Favre and Rice having another career year.

raptorman
01-25-2010, 10:36 AM
As to the NFCCG last night here are my thoughts. Both teams played a hell of a game. The Vikings had too many turnovers to win. Although with that many TO’s the Saints should have killed them.

MN offense: So did Brett cost them the game? Not in my opinion. He could have run the ball and Longwell may have made the field goal or he may have missed. I know the haters are going to be all over him and that is fine. But the only turnover that amounted to any Saints points was Harvins. All of the other turnovers just ended good drives that could have changed the outcome of the game. The Vikings moved the ball at will in the second half until they gave it back to the Saints. The Saints defense did a good job of hitting Favre and knocking the ball loose from the Vikings. Some Viking fans think the Saints got away with too many late hits on Favre. The only two I question are the one were the play was whistled dead and for the second time in two games a defensive player decks Favre and no flag is thrown, and the one in which Brett was injured on.

MN Defense: In the second half the Vikings shut down the Saints number one offense. The Saints had a hard time moving the ball, only getting 104 yards on offense (that number includes 39 yards in OT). Every time the offense gave the ball to the Saints the Vikings D came in and stopped the Saints. The Saints punted 4 times in the second half, 3 of them after their defense had taken the ball away. Now some props have to be given to the Saints Defense. The forced some balls loose and they got into the backfield, although never sacking Favre. Some fans think the Saints were playing dirty and trying to hurt Favre, I don’t believe players/teams do that. Although if the Saints hurt Manning next week it will be more than Cardinal fans and some Viking fans saying so.

The Refs: Once again I feel the refs did a lousy job. I am not using that as an excuse for the outcome of the game. There were several that were totally missed, and some called that I would consider ticky-tacky. I thought the new “Brady” rule was supposed to protect QB’s from getting hit low. Apparently it only applies to certain QB’s. This is in reference to the play in which Favre was hurt. I know some of you will be saying “He was being blocked into him” and I would respond that on several occasions this year the same type of play happened and the D players were called on it. The only other penalty I would say may have had a major impact on the game is the PI in overtime. It did not look like PI to me, but what can you do. I would be surprised if Mike Pereira address’s any of those calls this week on the show.

The game reminded me of the Pittsburgh game, with the Vikings dominating in everything including turnovers. You just cannot have turnovers like that and expect to win. Although with that many turnovers the Saints should have won by 3 scores rather than having to go into OT.

Favre: Will he or won’t he? I think he knows. I can’t see him coming back. But then again he may feel he has unfinished business. I just hope he make his decision soon and sticks with it. Right, like that‘s going to happen.

The Super Bowl: I think Saints fans will find out what it’s like to make it to the big game only to have your team lose.

mountainviking
01-25-2010, 10:46 AM
FIVE FREAKIN FUMBLIN VIKINGS FAIL!!!! :angry:

So many chances to win that game!! UGGH! So many crappy little things and any one of them bouncing our way and we woulda won!? DOH!!

I guess thats what makes it so painful for me...that we were the better team and we gave it away!?!?!?! Aaaaaaaaarggh!!!

The defense held Brees to under 200 yards passing and their team rushing total to just 68 yards!! We had twice the first downs, nearly twice the yards, half the penalties and 9 more minutes of possesion!!!!

OH MY STUPID SHOT MY FOOT OFF AGAIN!!!!! WHY!?

WHY MUST WE ALWAYS HAVE THIS PURPLE PAIN!!!?!?!??

:woohoo:



OK. Now that I got that out of me I better get my butt to work...there's always next year, there's always next season...

Seriously tho, we took it down to the wire on the road vs. a really good team...these VIKINGS are a really good team. With or without Favre. And we've got most of it signed for a good long while. And, the lack of CBA and thus 6 year eligibility requirement should make it easier to keep the few guys whose contracts are up, like Ray Edwards and Tarvaris. I'm still holding out hope that Chester will stay, but I think this CBA thing will reduce the number of FAs significantly, driving up the price tags of those that are available, and CT is probably going to get a pretty large offer from somebody.

SKOL VIKINGS!!!

Big C2
01-25-2010, 10:50 AM
That was a heart breaking loss. I feel for the vets like Favre, Pat Williams, Kleinny and Winfield who are getting up there in age. Youngsters like Peterson, Harvin and Rice still have a few years to make it back.

We were the better team yesterday but we managed to give it away. The Vikings biggest problem is that they are not lucky. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING bounced the Saints way yesterday. I was pissed at the officiating crew but I have seen worse and we hurt ourselves more than them.

A win would have been nice, but I am very proud of how they played. They earned my support for next year.

The positives I am taking in to next year:
1. Ray Edwards is emerging.
2. Tyrell Johnson is starting to get it.
3. Rice, Harvin, Shancoe and Berrian are a solid recieving corp.
4. Childress justified the contract extension by having the team play at such a high level in the playoffs. He had his gaffes but you can't blaim coaches for fumbles.
5. Both Frazier and Bevell proved to be very good coordinators this season. Very good.

My biggest offseason wish is for us to draft a QB in the first round and have him sit behind Favre for a year. If Favre comes back :)

Thanks for a great season guys.

VKG4LFE
01-25-2010, 11:00 AM
It's roughly 12 hours later and I am physically hurting still. We held one of the top offenses in the league to 257 yards at their place, gave them the ball 5 times and still had a shot to win. If AD could hold onto the God damn ball we would've been able to run late in the fourth quarter on that final drive and never have had to put it in Favre's hands, kicked the figgie and gone from there.

But as in turns out Favre is destined to have his last career throw be an INT (3 years in a row and counting).

I hurt.

C Mac D
01-25-2010, 11:10 AM
Big C2 wrote:

4. Childress justified the contract extension by having the team play at such a high level in the playoffs. He had his gaffes but you can't blaim coaches for fumbles.


I hope that's a joke...

High level in the playoffs? We fumbled 6 times... Peterson, Harvin, Favre, Berrian, Reynaud... when it's across the entire offense like that, it's coaching. I guess Childress didn't feel ball control drills were important this week.

Oh, and if Childress gets his team playing at such a "High Level" in the playoffs, why is his post-season record only 1-2 in his 4 years as head coach? John Harbaugh's post season record is 3-2... in his second year coaching... with a lot less talent on his roster..

Simple. Childress is not a winner.

happy camper
01-25-2010, 12:01 PM
I believe the Saints were actively trying to take Favre out of the game by hitting him late. They only got flagged for it twice but it should have been at least 2 more times. The play where the Saint hit him low should have been a penalty, first down Vikings.

VKG4LFE
01-25-2010, 12:54 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Big C2 wrote:

4. Childress justified the contract extension by having the team play at such a high level in the playoffs. He had his gaffes but you can't blaim coaches for fumbles.


I hope that's a joke...

High level in the playoffs? We fumbled 6 times... Peterson, Harvin, Favre, Berrian, Reynaud... when it's across the entire offense like that, it's coaching. I guess Childress didn't feel ball control drills were important this week.

Oh, and if Childress gets his team playing at such a "High Level" in the playoffs, why is his post-season record only 1-2 in his 4 years as head coach? John Harbaugh's post season record is 3-2... in his second year coaching... with a lot less talent on his roster..

Simple. Childress is not a winner.

If Bill Cowher or Tony Dungy could be lured out of retirement they would take this team to the superbowl and win, I have no doubt about that.

KrackerJack
01-25-2010, 01:03 PM
C Mac D wrote:

Big C2 wrote:

4. Childress justified the contract extension by having the team play at such a high level in the playoffs. He had his gaffes but you can't blaim coaches for fumbles.


I hope that's a joke...

High level in the playoffs? We fumbled 6 times... Peterson, Harvin, Favre, Berrian, Reynaud... when it's across the entire offense like that, it's coaching. I guess Childress didn't feel ball control drills were important this week.

Oh, and if Childress gets his team playing at such a "High Level" in the playoffs, why is his post-season record only 1-2 in his 4 years as head coach? John Harbaugh's post season record is 3-2... in his second year coaching... with a lot less talent on his roster..

Simple. Childress is not a winner.

We may have fumbled 6 times, however, that may not have a lot to do with Childress. Another possibility is that after the first fumble, Peterson's confidence dropped and he fumbled more, and after Peterson's fumblitis outbreak other players could have become self concious of their ball control, and ultimately it worried them too much and they eventually just let it fly. It's possible that they simply let it get in their heads that the team was fumbling, and thus, they started fumbling.

Poor play in football is contagious, unfortanutly.

Freakout
01-25-2010, 01:08 PM
I thought the plan to go conservative and play for a 52 yard field goal after moving down the field pretty easily on that last drive in the 4th was retarded. I said so in Live Chat and sure enough after two runs inside followed by the penalty I looked like a prophet.

With over a minute left in the game you don't play for a 52 yarder. Even had Longwell had a chance you are really pushing your luck from that distance.

purplehelmut
01-25-2010, 01:11 PM
It's Hutch's fault for the worst coin toss call in NFC Championship history. Everybody knows you call tails on the road....

Zeus
01-25-2010, 01:15 PM
Well. I'm fucking depressed. And I was saying to myself not to come here today, because I didn't want to feel worse.

But I do want to add my 2 cents....

1. As every has noted, you can't turn the ball over as many times as the Vikings did and win. It's amazing to me, not that it makes me feel any better, that the Vikings had the chance to win the game after that kind of carelessness.

2. It was explained on the radio (KFAN) this morning how position coaches work as far as sending personnel onto the field. So - after the TO, a formation was called and either a coached called the wrong formation and sent the wrong players out or a player heard it wrong and went out when he should have. But someone in that huddle (read: Favre) should have noticed and stepped out of the huddle so the player could get off the field w/out the penalty.

3. Favre was a warrior, that's for sure. Picked himself up after many brutal (and borderline) hits last night. There's a part of me that wanted TJack in the game, simply because of his mobility. Favre's pick was junior high BS. Never should have thrown that ball. Should have just tossed it out-of-bounds if he didn't want to run for a couple yards and slide. Longwell (according to Longwell *himself* on PA this afternoon) was making them easily from 53 in warm-ups. After the penalty, it would have been a 55 or 56-yard attempt. With no TOs for the Saints, I would have liked to have had that shot.

4. I thought the defense played awesome. While they might not have had the sack numbers that many associate with pressure on the passer, they put enough heat on Brees to force him into numerous bad throws. And the LBs and secondary played a pretty damn good game. Shame it was wasted.

5. I think the officiating was relatively good, but, like all fans on the losing side, I saw things that should have been called against the other team. And that PI call on Leber was a horrid call. Leber doesn't HAVE to look back, but that's what the ref called. The NO TE pushed off of Leber, initiating the contact, but Leber didn't look so he got called. AND the GD ball was uncatchable.

6. I got over 41-doughnut fairly quickly in 2001. This one is going to take awhile. To be in position to have a chance to win the game and then blow it just plain sucks. If Longwell had tried a 55-yarder and missed it, I would feel better.

That's about all I got for now.

=Z=

VKG4LFE
01-25-2010, 01:15 PM
haha, that actually made me somewhat laugh on a mourning type day.

TNViking
01-25-2010, 01:24 PM
Freakout wrote:

I thought the plan to go conservative and play for a 52 yard field goal after moving down the field pretty easily on that last drive in the 4th was retarded. I said so in Live Chat and sure enough after two runs inside followed by the penalty I looked like a prophet.

With over a minute left in the game you don't play for a 52 yarder. Even had Longwell had a chance you are really pushing your luck from that distance.

I've said this all day. Why stop when you're moving the ball at will? So you can hand it to a guy with 4 fumbles on a play the defense expects?

Any coach but Chilly would have tried to move in for an easier FG and to ensure that an unexpected penalty wouldn't push you completely out of range.

Chilly always coaches scared in big games.

VKG4LFE
01-25-2010, 01:29 PM
Did the football Gods do this to us because we "rubbed it in" against Dallas scoring that last TD? Something to ponder.

scottishviking
01-25-2010, 01:35 PM
purplehelmut wrote:

It's Hutch's fault for the worst coin toss call in NFC Championship history. Everybody knows you call tails on the road....

hahaha! I'm with you on that! Everyone knows "tails never fails"

C Mac D
01-25-2010, 01:39 PM
Zeus wrote:

Well. I'm fucking depressed. And I was saying to myself not to come here today, because I didn't want to feel worse.

But I do want to add my 2 cents....

1. As every has noted, you can't turn the ball over as many times as the Vikings did and win. It's amazing to me, not that it makes me feel any better, that the Vikings had the chance to win the game after that kind of carelessness.

2. It was explained on the radio (KFAN) this morning how position coaches work as far as sending personnel onto the field. So - after the TO, a formation was called and either a coached called the wrong formation and sent the wrong players out or a player heard it wrong and went out when he should have. But someone in that huddle (read: Favre) should have noticed and stepped out of the huddle so the player could get off the field w/out the penalty.

3. Favre was a warrior, that's for sure. Picked himself up after many brutal (and borderline) hits last night. There's a part of me that wanted TJack in the game, simply because of his mobility. Favre's pick was junior high BS. Never should have thrown that ball. Should have just tossed it out-of-bounds if he didn't want to run for a couple yards and slide. Longwell (according to Longwell *himself* on PA this afternoon) was making them easily from 53 in warm-ups. After the penalty, it would have been a 55 or 56-yard attempt. With no TOs for the Saints, I would have liked to have had that shot.

4. I thought the defense played awesome. While they might not have had the sack numbers that many associate with pressure on the passer, they put enough heat on Brees to force him into numerous bad throws. And the LBs and secondary played a pretty damn good game. Shame it was wasted.

5. I think the officiating was relatively good, but, like all fans on the losing side, I saw things that should have been called against the other team. And that PI call on Leber was a horrid call. Leber doesn't HAVE to look back, but that's what the ref called. The NO TE pushed off of Leber, initiating the contact, but Leber didn't look so he got called. AND the GD ball was uncatchable.

6. I got over 41-doughnut fairly quickly in 2001. This one is going to take awhile. To be in position to have a chance to win the game and then blow it just plain sucks. If Longwell had tried a 55-yarder and missed it, I would feel better.

That's about all I got for now.

=Z=

Good post, Z. Don't worry, the pain will pass.

I'm not too broken up by the NFC Championship... I mean, it's not like we got totally embarrassed out there. We played a bad game and still almost won.

We'll never get to the big game with Childress as our HC, which is probably why I wasn't too surprised by this loss.

CCthebest
01-25-2010, 01:50 PM
Every time we lose the big game, which is every time we play one, we remember someone from the game that we think lost it, like Nelsen, Anderson, etc. This time its Favre, at least for me.

Yeah we had some terrible coaching which led to too many TOs, especially Phs, and dumb penalties. I mean how can anyone getting paid that much allow 12 men in a huddle AFTER a timeout, with the game one the line????

But we still had a chance to win. We had Favre. His game is to come from behind and win. We just needed 5 yards or so to give Longwell a decent chance. But Favre does something even TJoke wouldnt have done. There is no excuse for it, and I feel it lost us the game.

I love the way Favre played for us this year. I was happy he was a viking. Im not a hater of him like some here. But he had a bad game and choked. Which isnt really surprising considering he got the snot kicked out of him. Our Oline cant protect nor open holes....same ole sh@t as when Childress first took over.

Prophet
01-25-2010, 01:54 PM
Fishing on the gulf all day Saturday, tailgating and the game on Sunday. The Vikings buried the Saints with 31 first downs compared to 15, 475 total yds compared to 257 for the Saints, 310 yds passing compared to 189 for the Saints, 165 yds on the ground compared to 68 for the Saints. The bruiser Heisman bastard Bush had 7 attempts rushing for 8 yds. Lot of Vikings fans at the game. Life is good.

Fucking domination, except, ah, the Vikings lost. Fuck. A team that has, what was it? +5 turnovers and it takes them OT to win is a sorry team to represent the NFC in the championship. Yet another mind numbing loss to add to the repertoire of memories that have hardened my soul over the past four decades of following this team.

The Saints have won, what, three playoff games since 1967? and now are on their way to their first Super Bowl. Good for those fans, the ones that stood by them all the way and now can bask in the glory of the pre-Super Bowl hype while they licking their fanatical wounds from the decades of suffering. Now I am at such a low that I am actually looking forward to reading marrdro's mock drafts. Kill me.

Was a fun season, too bad it ended this way. Look out next year (never said that before)!

MaxVike
01-25-2010, 02:01 PM
Well, per my Avatar quote, such is the life of a Vikings fan. Regarding the Game, it's all been said, but, here's my $.02:

When the Saints started their possession with just under 5 minutes left, I leaned over to my wife and told her we would win if we stop them 3 and out. Well, we did, got the ball back with just over 2:37 left. We made some plays, got near where we needed to, then, shit the bed.

Childress made a correct comment before the game, "we believe we have a better Team and we are going to show it between the white lines." Childress and the coaching staff appeared to come unravelled the last 1:30 of the game.

The turnover before the half on second down, on the 6 yd line created effectively a 10-14 point swing. Gimme Field Goal, possible touchdown for the Vikes just before halftime vs. Saints get 2nd half kickoff and score 7 points.

Then, Percy's fumble deep in our Territory was a killer. As was Berrian's fumble whilst on a very good drive. The first pick was a tough one to handle too.

I simply cannot fathom how you have 12 men in a huddle in the NFC Championship Game on a game winning drive. Give 'em hell Paul Allen, you are correct, it IS inexcusable.

Coverage Teams gave up 2 long returns, both, at the worst possible time. At the start of the 2nd Half, then, in OT.

Ok, so, many posted that Brett Favre's Interception lost the game...I, like you, was yelling "run, RUN, RUN," at the screen. But, yes, our 40 year old QB with a turned ankle, who had just been pummelled for 4 quarters made a shitty decision. But, yes, like Gary Anderson in 1998, this is not all on Brett.

A buddy of mine (a 49ers fan from San Ramon, CA) made a statement which is rather hard to refute. "If you can't come up with 10 reasons the Vikes lost that game, a game they should have won, you're not trying." This from an objetive observer.

I am a lifer. Yesterday was painful, today is painful. Am I disappointed? Hell yeah! But, do I hope Favre comes back? Hell yeah! Am I optimistic about next year? Hell Yeah?

Peterson08
01-25-2010, 02:29 PM
Forget the OT bs. After the Chester Taylor run , there was more then enough time to stay in the hurry up and throw some safe passes then come wit a run to get in better range for longwell.What pisses me off is how they let the clock continually run down, which means they got super conservative, and then all that bs came.Dam, the guy kiked a 55 yders @ chicago in AP rookie season.We were more then in range, qb sneak for 4 or 5 yds and we r inposition. Chilly has 1 major flaw and thats game management in crucial situations. GM cost us on that last drive in regulation. Dam u chilly.

Peterson08
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
1:35 after Rice catch, 1:06 after Taylor run to the 35.NO no tos left.They let it run all the way down to 19 seconds. Chilly is a game management moron and we still had 2 tos left.

Midge Resurrected
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
Peterson08 wrote:

Forget the OT bs. After the Chester Taylor run , there was more then enough time to stay in the hurry up and throw some safe passes then come wit a run to get in better range for longwell.What pisses me off is how they let the clock continually run down, which means they got super conservative, and then all that bs came.Dam, the guy kiked a 55 yders @ chicago in AP rookie season.We were more then in range, qb sneak for 4 or 5 yds and we r inposition. Chilly has 1 major flaw and thats game management in crucial situations. GM cost us on that last drive in regulation. Dam u chilly.

I think there are 100s of other threads this could be in ... but it might be worth its own one.

I think we all agree that will be what we remember for years to come from this game.

Chilly was exceptional in game planning these two playoff games, but in this situation he let us down big time ... as did Favre.

Favre has to hustle up to the line and run a play ... keep the rhythm going as much as Chilly needs to get the plays coming in.

At the 33 we were ALREADY in Longwell's comfort range, and we shit it away with a couple of bad runs and a horrific penalty.

ultravikingfan
01-25-2010, 02:59 PM
Not trying to be a major dick here, but we have a thread for discussing this game.

If we have a new thread for every thought this place would look like KFAN and other sites that are a terrible mess.

Brazilian Rider
01-25-2010, 03:08 PM
Hello everyone,

You might argue that I'm just being a sore loser, can't take the pain, whatever, but I'm just going to say what we're all thinking.

The Refs f*cked us over in the end.

Don't try to deny it, don't try to say it didn't matter, because truly it did, and we're just trying to find a way to make it hurt less because truly, those calls are what gave the Saints the game. Sure we fumbled 5 times, but we were still in the game, and sure Favre blew that last play, but we were still in the game. We STOPPED being in the game when the Refs gave the Saints those calls.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMevQJTOUJc

There's some proof for 'yall.

Now, I know most of you will say we "shouldn't have let them get to that position". That's bullshit. I don't care if we let them take a 300-21 lead, but the refs NEED to make the right calls. We pay them for god's sake. If they were doing it for free, I can let a mistake slide. Hell, I can let a mistake slide in a game like this, but not those three, especially in the last drive.

The Meachem catch could go either way (I still think it was a drop), but that PI and that first down DID NOT HAPPEN. The refs either blew the game by bad luck, or because they subconsiously felt NO deserved to win. All the hype the media has put on them these days, I wouldn't blame them... Except, you know, for the fact they cost us the game. Without the fouls, it would have been a 54 yard FG attempt (at BEST), and I doubt Payton would let their kicker have a shot at it, especially since his long that season was 34.

Say all you want about how we shouldn't have let them this, or that, but when it came down to it, the refs ruined the game. I don't know what's going to happen next year, but I pray that the NFL fixes this year's TERRIBLE officiating (Remember that Brady penalty? Hah, apparently it only applies if YOUR NAME is Brady...).

Also, anyone find it funny how there were 17 hits on Favre but no sacks? At least a couple of those HAD to be Roughing the Passer, it's just not possible that they only hit Favre late two times.

/rant.

peterson-rox28
01-25-2010, 03:16 PM
I think that the vikings were the better team in this game and that they handed to the saints with all of our miss queues. I cant even count all the times we could have made a big play but failed. We played our worst game in a while. I really hope Favre comes back because we need him. Our team has more talent then any other team in this league. We just have to learn to use it.

CCthebest
01-25-2010, 03:53 PM
We are a terribly coached team. From Childress down to the Special teams coach. Thats why we lost. No decipline. Turnovers are one of the signs of a badly coached team. Penalties AFTER a timeout are another. No killer instinct, play down to a team, not playing to win. And dont give me the players dont execute BS. Dont have them on the field if they cant. And for the love of god, get a mother Fing kicker to kickoff into the endzone!!

scottishvike
01-25-2010, 04:02 PM
MaxVike wrote:


A buddy of mine (a 49ers fan from San Ramon, CA) made a statement which is rather hard to refute. "If you can't come up with 10 reasons the Vikes lost that game, a game they should have won, you're not trying." This from an objetive observer.


That's what really hurts, we beat ourselves, all the what ifs? are swirling around in my head still.

scottishvike
01-25-2010, 04:05 PM
CCthebest wrote:

We are a terribly coached team. From Childress down to the Special teams coach. Thats why we lost. No decipline. Turnovers are one of the signs of a badly coached team. Penalties AFTER a timeout are another. No killer instinct, play down to a team, not playing to win. And dont give me the players dont execute BS. Dont have them on the field if they cant. And for the love of god, get a mother Fing kicker to kickoff into the endzone!!

It's funny how many times with Childress the first drive of the game goes so well for us. Then the oppositions adjustments get made and it all starts to unravel.

Redmption
01-25-2010, 04:13 PM
My thoughts:

Very sad today, and emotional about the game. I didn’t want to come on here and post because I knew I would read some stupid and outlandish things that would only pi$$ me off and of course the first couple of posts I read do just that. So a few quick thoughts without trying to flame, just expressing frustration with too common of a theme on here :)

Get off Chillys back already. Ready to kill him for getting Favre, predicting his failure and ready to crucify Chilly when this experiment fails, but as the season progresses Chilly still doesn’t get the credit, it’s the team succeeding despite him… Now when the $hit hits the fan and the players screw up in every way possible it must be his fault, bad coaching, once again no credit for COACHING THE TEAM TO THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP IN WHICH THEY WERE RATED AS ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS IN GIVEAWAYS. So the dummies on here who blame bad coaching on 4 different players fumbling in one game, when in a span of 17 other games they were rated the best in not giving it away is bad coaching? STUPID comment with no thought put into it. This year alone shows they were coached very well in this respect, the players just F’d up on this given day.

I also read about Chilly coaching for OT. Media and dumb people who don’t know what they are talking about say this. Get the ball with about 2 min left in regulation. Everyone wants to throw the ball, get down field…You throw on 1st/2nd down and are incomplete or don’t get a 1st down, you have just succeeded in not taking any time off the clock, and if you are stopped on 3rd down, you just handed over the ball to the most explosive offense in the NFL and they have timeouts with a minute plus to go. I agree with Chilly in running the ball twice to force them to use timeouts, and then go for the 3rd down conversion. At least if you went three and out, they had no timeouts left and the clock was bled. With converting the 3rd down, now Minny had time outs and still over a minute to go, plenty of time, and it worked out perfectly. I am not sure where the criticism comes from in this regard. Right after the 3rd down, there were two more good gains on offense to get us near field goal position. Again hammer with Peterson on 1st and 2nd where there has been success. If there are minimal gains, throw a short pass on 3rd, timeout and field goal. Again would have worked out just fine, and the play call on 3rd down was perfect where Favre could have run in the wide open for 5 yards, but it was the player not Childress that threw the pick and screwed it all up.

The mere fact that after FOUR TURNOVERS this team was still in it to win, and even after the 5th still went into OT, means this was a resilient well coached team, that despite having a horrible day with turnovers still rallied to make it close as hell. Most other teams wouldn’t have been even close to salvaging this kind of disaster.

Chillys first few years had their dumb coach moves, but last year and this year this team was really becoming a contender, because of his system and coaching. Too many people hold Childress’s rookie year mistakes against him when the recent years have not had the same glaring mistakes. Do we still scratch our heads sometimes? Yes, but who said he was Belicheck? Many of the players credit destroying the Cowboys because of the game plan and being well prepared… COACHING…. This sytem, his staff, his coaching got these players working together and to the NFC Championship. Many of the other coaches who get way more credit haven’t done the same. Most of the players that we love and are all-stars are from Chillys drafting and FA moves. And if someone is dumb enough to really make the argument about the team being filled with big names and money spent doesn’t need coaching, then look at how well the Redskins/Raiders/Cowboys have done over the years.

If teams did everything fans wanted, we’d have Dwyane Jarrett instead of Rice, Brady Quinn instead of Peterson, and Shiancoe would have been cut along time ago…

Chilly has my vote. See you next season.

avikes3
01-25-2010, 04:14 PM
Try living in New Orleans guys it's a REALLY REALLY BAD DAY!!!!!!! :(

Mark_The_Viking
01-25-2010, 04:31 PM
too upset to post. maybe later

Trkn10
01-25-2010, 05:44 PM
How can you say Favre had a bad game? He got the shit knocked out of him constantly and showed a level of competitiveness few on this team will ever rise to. He made one mistake, yeah, it was costly, but it wasn't the one that cost us the game. He drove this team time and again to points no matter how hard they tried to give the game away.

What about that dumb-ass who can't hold the freakin' ball? He can crush human hands in one grasp, but can't squeeze a pig skin to save his life (or the team's/fan's post season dreams!) What pisses me off is that I was wearing his fucking jersey last night! Don't get me wrong, I like AD/AP and think in many respects he has been huge to getting the Viking's back on the map the last few years, but the guy's ball control is a huge liability and shows its ugly face at the worst times. He is one reason we lost, as is the 12th man (and the dumb coach who didn't have the situational awareness coming out of a time out to realize who was on the field), Shortwell is another reason we lost, as are the refs, and on and on.

Bottom line - there was more to this loss than Brett Favre. He's been nothing but stellar this year and deserves a hell of alot more credit for his performance yesterday than what one interception will taint him with for a long time.

I hope he comes back next year and we consider trading AD/P off for some serious trade bait. The dude's a liability and Chester Taylor is just as explosive in my opinion.

God damn I just want to fucking scream right now I'm still so pissed!

Trkn10
01-25-2010, 05:46 PM
CCthebest wrote:

Every time we lose the big game, which is every time we play one, we remember someone from the game that we think lost it, like Nelsen, Anderson, etc. This time its Favre, at least for me.

Yeah we had some terrible coaching which led to too many TOs, especially Phs, and dumb penalties. I mean how can anyone getting paid that much allow 12 men in a huddle AFTER a timeout, with the game one the line????

But we still had a chance to win. We had Favre. His game is to come from behind and win. We just needed 5 yards or so to give Longwell a decent chance. But Favre does something even TJoke wouldnt have done. There is no excuse for it, and I feel it lost us the game.

I love the way Favre played for us this year. I was happy he was a viking. Im not a hater of him like some here. But he had a bad game and choked. Which isnt really surprising considering he got the snot kicked out of him. Our Oline cant protect nor open holes....same ole sh@t as when Childress first took over.

My post above was in response to this.

i_bleed_purple
01-25-2010, 05:52 PM
how is longwell possibly at fault?

#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 67 yards from MIN 30 to NO 3. 15-C.Roby to NO 24 for 21 yards (59-H.Farwell). #

# 8-R.Longwell kicks 60 yards from MIN 30 to NO 10. 15-C.Roby to NO 27 for 17 yards (20-M.Williams).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to NO 2. 15-C.Roby to MIN 37 for 61 yards (21-A.Allen).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 62 yards from MIN 30 to NO 8. 15-C.Roby to NO 35 for 27 yards (37-E.Frampton).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to NO 2. 15-C.Roby to NO 19 for 17 yards (25-T.Johnson). NO-15-C.Roby was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 71 yards from MIN 30 to NO -1. 23-P.Thomas to NO 39 for 40 yards (39-H.Abdullah). MIN-23-C.Griffin was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.

6 kickoffs, average kick went to the 4 yard line. The two kicks that were returned for long returns were 69.5 yard average kicks, one to the -1 and one to the 2

so explain again how he's at fault for anything.

CCthebest
01-25-2010, 06:29 PM
Because he cant kick the ball deep in the endzone? Like the Saints and others did to us. He doesnt allow time to set upkickoff coverage. With our ST we need a good booming kick every time.

Brazilian Rider
01-25-2010, 06:31 PM
CCthebest wrote:

Because he cant kick the ball deep in the endzone? Like the Saints and others did to us. He doesnt allow time to set upkickoff coverage. With our ST we need a good booming kick every time.

As much as I hate to say this, he's right.

Hope we get a new kicker for kick-offs but keep Longwell for FGs...

KrackerJack
01-25-2010, 06:32 PM
CCthebest wrote:

Because he cant kick the ball deep in the endzone? Like the Saints and others did to us. He doesnt allow time to set upkickoff coverage. With our ST we need a good booming kick every time.

Longwell may not have the boot to put it through the back of the endzone, but he was by far one of the most reliable kickers in the NFL this season... and his kickoffs aren't even that bad. The fault lies on the coverage unit, they need to be able to make a tackle, they can't just count on Longwell putting it through the back of the endzone.

CCthebest
01-25-2010, 06:47 PM
KrackerJack wrote:

CCthebest wrote:

Because he cant kick the ball deep in the endzone? Like the Saints and others did to us. He doesnt allow time to set upkickoff coverage. With our ST we need a good booming kick every time.

Longwell may not have the boot to put it through the back of the endzone, but he was by far one of the most reliable kickers in the NFL this season... and his kickoffs aren't even that bad. The fault lies on the coverage unit, they need to be able to make a tackle, they can't just count on Longwell putting it through the back of the endzone.

Nowhere did i say he wasnt reliable. He is. But he kicks the ball short. Maybe thats why our ST coverage unit cant cover? Kick it deep and put the ball on the 20. No worries.

Trkn10
01-25-2010, 07:16 PM
My point about Longwell was addressed by the guys that followed your question.

I like Longwell and think he kicks ass (NPI) on field goals. On kickoffs though he does not have the leg to consistently put it in the end zone. Seriously, how many games have we had our ST chasing guys back upfield because they started burning in the goal - 10yd line? Our D had to routinely deal with shitty field position after kicks.

I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm saying get a long kicker for KOs and make sure he can come in once in a while for a clutch 55+ yarder.


i_bleed_purple wrote:

how is longwell possibly at fault?

#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 67 yards from MIN 30 to NO 3. 15-C.Roby to NO 24 for 21 yards (59-H.Farwell). #

# 8-R.Longwell kicks 60 yards from MIN 30 to NO 10. 15-C.Roby to NO 27 for 17 yards (20-M.Williams).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to NO 2. 15-C.Roby to MIN 37 for 61 yards (21-A.Allen).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 62 yards from MIN 30 to NO 8. 15-C.Roby to NO 35 for 27 yards (37-E.Frampton).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to NO 2. 15-C.Roby to NO 19 for 17 yards (25-T.Johnson). NO-15-C.Roby was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 71 yards from MIN 30 to NO -1. 23-P.Thomas to NO 39 for 40 yards (39-H.Abdullah). MIN-23-C.Griffin was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.

6 kickoffs, average kick went to the 4 yard line. The two kicks that were returned for long returns were 69.5 yard average kicks, one to the -1 and one to the 2

so explain again how he's at fault for anything.

gamecocksbaseball31
01-25-2010, 07:24 PM
I place 100% of Favre's interception on Bevell and Childress, whoever made the call to throw it. I don't care what has happened prior to this 3rd down which is the most important play of the game. Fact is, we were tied and sitting where we were, had we gained no yards, it would have been about a 56 yarder. If we run a draw to Chester, or a dive to AD, or a power to AD, we gain one to two yards probably at least. My call would have been Chester. Longwell has come up big before and can hit the 50+ yarders. Give him a chance. AHHH, I can't understand that call... I can't get it out of my mind.

As for the whole game, yes the refs were bad, and it upset me too... but it happens. The pass interference call is the one that upsets me the most. It's hard to change the spot on the 4th down...

Turnovers killed us. 6 fumbles, 4 lost and 2 picks totaling 5 turnovers... AND we lost on a FG in OVERTIME!!!! The Minnesota Vikings are better than the Saints 9 games out of 10. If we don't turn the ball over, we win in a blowout. This one stings just as much as 1998.

ConnecticutViking
01-25-2010, 07:56 PM
gamecocksbaseball31 wrote:

I place 100% of Favre's interception on Bevell and Childress, whoever made the call to throw it. I don't care what has happened prior to this 3rd down which is the most important play of the game. Fact is, we were tied and sitting where we were, had we gained no yards, it would have been about a 56 yarder. If we run a draw to Chester, or a dive to AD, or a power to AD, we gain one to two yards probably at least. My call would have been Chester. Longwell has come up big before and can hit the 50+ yarders. Give him a chance. AHHH, I can't understand that call... I can't get it out of my mind.

As for the whole game, yes the refs were bad, and it upset me too... but it happens. The pass interference call is the one that upsets me the most. It's hard to change the spot on the 4th down...

Turnovers killed us. 6 fumbles, 4 lost and 2 picks totaling 5 turnovers... AND we lost on a FG in OVERTIME!!!! The Minnesota Vikings are better than the Saints 9 games out of 10. If we don't turn the ball over, we win in a blowout. This one stings just as much as 1998.

Worse than the pass play was the fact that after a timeout we put 12 men in the huddle. Instead of a 4-5 yard run for a long field goal, it forces us to pass for a 10 yd gain for a long field goal. WTF Chilly! Yes the turnovers killed us and the refs sucked. But WTF chilly, get the right personel on the field.

petev_sj
01-25-2010, 08:33 PM
Guys lets leave behind the complaints and what-ifs for a second.

As an Football fan, we were treated to one of the all time great games last night. Coming into it, most people did not give the Vikings a chance against the Saints in their home. As a matter of fact, most people thought the Saints were the best team in the NFL. But then the Vikings put up huge numbers against their defense, and limited their potent offense to 3 for 12 in 3rd downs. Now most analyst are wondering if the Colts will blow out the Saints in Miami.

It should not have been close with 8 turnovers, but the Vikings and Brett Favre battled their way back.

Great Game. An Absolute CLASSIC!

CCthebest
01-25-2010, 08:37 PM
petev_sj wrote:

Guys lets leave behind the complaints and what-ifs for a second.

As an Football fan, we were treated to one of the all time great games last night. Coming into it, most people did not give the Vikings a chance against the Saints in their home. As a matter of fact, most people thought the Saints were the best team in the NFL. But then the Vikings put up huge numbers against their defense, and limited their potent offense to 3 for 12 in 3rd downs. Now most analyst are wondering if the Colts will blow out the Saints in Miami.

It should not have been close with 8 turnovers, but the Vikings and Brett Favre battled their way back.

Great Game. An Absolute CLASSIC!
A game with that many turnovers by the Vikes isnt a classic.

fanofteam
01-25-2010, 09:26 PM
gamecocksbaseball31 wrote:

I place 100% of Favre's interception on Bevell and Childress, whoever made the call to throw it. I don't care what has happened prior to this 3rd down which is the most important play of the game. Fact is, we were tied and sitting where we were, had we gained no yards, it would have been about a 56 yarder. If we run a draw to Chester, or a dive to AD, or a power to AD, we gain one to two yards probably at least. My call would have been Chester. Longwell has come up big before and can hit the 50+ yarders. Give him a chance. AHHH, I can't understand that call... I can't get it out of my mind.


Turnovers killed us. 6 fumbles, 4 lost and 2 picks totaling 5 turnovers... AND we lost on a FG in OVERTIME!!!! The Minnesota Vikings are better than the Saints 9 games out of 10. If we don't turn the ball over, we win in a blowout. This one stings just as much as 1998.


So you bitch about fumbles but then you want to give AP the ball with the game on the line ?

I can only imagine the beating Childress would be taking if AP fumbled in that position instead of Favre throwing the interception.

People are also acting like a 50+ yard FG was a give me

NeoVikesTX
01-25-2010, 09:33 PM
I hope the Colts crush the Saints in the Superbowl.

oaklandzoo24
01-25-2010, 09:35 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r274/Drazer212/Concentration/life_sucks.jpg

This pretty much explains my feeling.

Zeus
01-25-2010, 09:37 PM
fanofteam wrote:

People are also acting like a 50+ yard FG was a give me

I, for one, don't feel it was a gimme. But I would have rather Longwell had the chance than not have it.

=Z=

oaklandzoo24
01-25-2010, 09:37 PM
http://www.geeb.tv/Main/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/depression.jpg

burnelrh
01-25-2010, 09:58 PM
The Saint first down after the start of OT (where he dove over)-the ball did not cross-I thought after review it would show-it didnt, I knew it was in the books and I lived with it.....

Then today a Guy at work pointed out the 1st down to me-bad officiating

what is everyone's feedback on this?

Webby
01-25-2010, 10:01 PM
The TV angle was actually not true, so you couldn't see it. It wasn't a replay directly horizontal on the field so it belied the fact he didn't get a first down. The camera was off the first down marker by a yard or two shooting back across. No matter what, there was no clear evidence to overrule, which is the base standard.

C Mac D
01-25-2010, 10:24 PM
What a year. I'm not thrilled with the outcome... but man, what a year. It was awesome.

jargomcfargo
01-26-2010, 12:04 AM
C Mac D wrote:

What a year. I'm not thrilled with the outcome... but man, what a year. It was awesome.

It was probably the seventh best in about a 50 year history.
The Chiller has improved each year.
Question is, will he continue to improve next year with Tarvaris?

Reignman
01-26-2010, 12:33 AM
Let me make it clear first, I'm not blaming the refs for our loss, as far as I'm concerned, we had our chance to win and blew it in typical Viking fashion. Even if those 3 bad calls never happened, I'm convinced we still would've found a way to lose. It was just one of those games.

They did have a replay right down the FD line on that 4th and inches. In fact you can see the foreground marker, the ball, and the marker across the field, and the ball never gets to the line imo, it's clear to me. I have to assume the refs didn't have access to this particular angle, or they screwed us. You can see the ball get knocked back into his lap by a Viking helmet as he dives toward the marker, and from there Thomas and the ball go backward. Vikes should've taken over at the 42.

I can't find video of this angle.
Just before the helmet hits the ball.
http://i50.tinypic.com/35n6h79.png
After it hits the ball, it ends up back to his thigh.
http://i45.tinypic.com/zjche0.png
Henderson's "catch" should have been over turned too. It's true you can "trap" the ball against the ground but you must maintain control throughout the catch. The ball is clearly moving as it scrapes the ground.

Tangled feet, Leber not looking for the ball, I don't care what excuse you want to make, that ball wasn't even close to being catchable, which is part of the PI rule. And you couldn't call it holding, if anything that should of went down as incidental contact.

Here's the best video I can find, of the catch and PI calls.

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Unfortunately, all of those (blown?) calls happened on 3 consecutive plays in OT, setting the Saints up nicely. It's just a shame the loss is somewhat tainted. The rest of the country even seems to think the Vikes were robbed. I'd feel better knowing we choked straight up, like in '98. Now it's just one more "what if".

Marrdro
01-26-2010, 05:30 AM
i_bleed_purple wrote:

how is longwell possibly at fault?

#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 67 yards from MIN 30 to NO 3. 15-C.Roby to NO 24 for 21 yards (59-H.Farwell). #

# 8-R.Longwell kicks 60 yards from MIN 30 to NO 10. 15-C.Roby to NO 27 for 17 yards (20-M.Williams).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to NO 2. 15-C.Roby to MIN 37 for 61 yards (21-A.Allen).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 62 yards from MIN 30 to NO 8. 15-C.Roby to NO 35 for 27 yards (37-E.Frampton).
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to NO 2. 15-C.Roby to NO 19 for 17 yards (25-T.Johnson). NO-15-C.Roby was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
#
# 8-R.Longwell kicks 71 yards from MIN 30 to NO -1. 23-P.Thomas to NO 39 for 40 yards (39-H.Abdullah). MIN-23-C.Griffin was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.

6 kickoffs, average kick went to the 4 yard line. The two kicks that were returned for long returns were 69.5 yard average kicks, one to the -1 and one to the 2

so explain again how he's at fault for anything.
Did you happen to notice how they negated PH's return ability? It sure wasn't kicking it to the 1 and hoping the coverage team tackled him.

Marrdro
01-26-2010, 05:31 AM
Brazilian Rider wrote:

CCthebest wrote:

Because he cant kick the ball deep in the endzone? Like the Saints and others did to us. He doesnt allow time to set upkickoff coverage. With our ST we need a good booming kick every time.

As much as I hate to say this, he's right.

Hope we get a new kicker for kick-offs but keep Longwell for FGs...CC is always right, especially when he is on the same side of my discussion. :P

Marrdro
01-26-2010, 05:39 AM
PAvikesfan wrote:

Minniman wrote:

There are many things here that have already been stated, and I will likely expand on them here or in the appropriate topics, but not right now.

At this time, I would like to bring up that this season, much like 1998, was a perfect storm for the Minnesota Vikings. The combination of players, coaches, schedule, and intangibles created an environment for a Super Bowl winning season. Much like in 1998, the Minnesota Vikings fell short in an overtime game for the NFC championship.

The assumption that next year will be better is not valid logically or historically. The Vikings have a more difficult schedule with many playoff or near playoff teams. Brett Favre may or may not be back again, and even if he is, he may not be able to repeat the magic of this season. The Vikings had relatively few injuries this season, and that may not hold. There are just too many variables to expect the 2010 season to be much different than the 1999 season.

The Vikings may get better, but so may the Saints, Cowboys, Packers, and other contenders, and the Vikings had good playoff match ups that may not come next year. The Vikings dominated the Cowboys and outplayed the Saints. The ring was in their grasp, but they just could not hold onto it.

That is why this game hurts Vikings fans so bad. We say, "Wait until next year," but we know in the back of our minds that next year may be good but not great. We understand the missed opportunities like no other fans in the NFL. The Vikings are the winningest losers in modern NFL history.

So I say with a heavy heart, "Wait until next year," but I do not know if I really believe it.

Yep, kind of how I see next year. Even if Favre comes back, there is no way he will play as good. He had a career year.

This is how I see our roster next season, our key players (the ones that will definitely still be here):

All our skilled offensive players will only be as good as our QB, except AP and Harvin. If Favre comes back:

AP - slightly better production, maybe not more TD's but slightly more yards.
Rice - another great season, but slightly less productive.
CT - same production
Shancoe - same production
Harvin - same production

If Favre retires and we rely on just Tjack or Rosenthals:

AP - slightly better production, maybe not more TD's but definitely more yards.
Rice - significantly less productive, like half as many TD's and 1/4 less receptions
CT - slightly less productive
Shancoe - Less productive, 1/4 less TD's
Harvin - Same production

Our Defense:
This is where we will be hurting the most regardless of Favre or not -duh:

Pat Williams - Less Productive, age
Winfield - Never will regain his productivity, age
EJ - will come back and play great again
Edwards - same production, slightly more sacks
Allen - slightly less production, hard to match that career year, but he definitely could

Long story short:
The Vikings will not be as good in 2010, regardless of whether Favre comes back or not cause of our aging key players on defense (unless we upgrade)and the unlikeliness of Favre and Rice having another career year.
So your saying the 4 TD's (better than last year) is a indicator his production will drop off? Talking about Shanc of course.

Seems he was pretty productive last year with the likes of Gus and TJ throwing to him.

NFL Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/visantheshiancoe/profile?id=SHI025168)

Comeon my friend. Each and every year under this regime we seem to think all is lost and there is no hope going into next year. Hell, it got to the point this year that a few were spewing forth the drivel that the off season FA signings were the worst ever.

In the end, the staff did something that made us better.

Sure we lost EJ, probably won't be back. Brinkley filled in nicely. Whinny went down, again, and someone stepped in, nicely. Phat Pat took alot of reps off this year, JK stepped in and ate those reps up nicely.

I for one have every confindence in this staff to AGAIN, go out and make this team better in the offseason.

Long story short, the sky is not falling my friends. If history (albeit limited) holds true with what this staff and team has done, they will only get better.

The way I see it, they only have to commit one less turnover next season in the NFC Championship game and we get to the big dance.

That isn't asking to much is it? :huh:

Marrdro
01-26-2010, 05:43 AM
Big C2 wrote:

That was a heart breaking loss. I feel for the vets like Favre, Pat Williams, Kleinny and Winfield who are getting up there in age. Youngsters like Peterson, Harvin and Rice still have a few years to make it back.

We were the better team yesterday but we managed to give it away. The Vikings biggest problem is that they are not lucky. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING bounced the Saints way yesterday. I was pissed at the officiating crew but I have seen worse and we hurt ourselves more than them.

A win would have been nice, but I am very proud of how they played. They earned my support for next year.

The positives I am taking in to next year:
1. Ray Edwards is emerging.
2. Tyrell Johnson is starting to get it.
3. Rice, Harvin, Shancoe and Berrian are a solid recieving corp.
4. Childress justified the contract extension by having the team play at such a high level in the playoffs. He had his gaffes but you can't blaim coaches for fumbles.
5. Both Frazier and Bevell proved to be very good coordinators this season. Very good.

My biggest offseason wish is for us to draft a QB in the first round and have him sit behind Favre for a year. If Favre comes back :)

Thanks for a great season guys.
If you call the inability to not hold onto the ball "Unlucky" I might buy into this. I for one call it poor execution.

Other than that minor discussion point, great post my friend.

BleedinPandG
01-26-2010, 07:01 AM
*sighs* Damn those Vikings... damn them all to hell...

I went into the game calm... we were underdogs... we were playing on the road... we were playing against a great team... I didn't feel like we needed to win this game, I didn't feel like we necessarily would win the game... and I was at peace with that... a great year, a lot of success, a lot of fun... I was content with a showing in the NFCC...

And then the game started. Tied at half time... we were playing well, we were prepared, we were making a good showing. I was proud of the team and content with a loss.

And then we tied the game with 5 minutes left... I looked at my mom, my daughter, my wife... all dressed in the Vikings purple I'd given them... "if we can force a 3 and out we can actually win this thing!"... and then the 3 and out! We're 2 minutes and 37 seconds from a possible SB! Now I'm pacing, I can't sit down... Berrian converts that 3rd down, that's HUGE! Big throw to Rice... big run from CT, we're in FG range! We are moments from going to the first SB in my lifetime! It's right there! Screw being competitive, screw a good showing, the Vikes fan in me, the one I try to bury deep down, that passionate fan who lives, breaths, and bleeds Vikings is out in full force. We will win! We must win! And then to quote Paul Allen... "I can not believe what I'm seeing"... *sighs*

I was fine with losing... but to do it this way... to bring that fan out of me which I had so well buried... and then to once more tear his heart out, toss it in the mud, trample it, and then chuck it out with the rest of the medical waste is simply... in a word... cruel.

Props to Chilly... you showed a heck of a lot both in game planning for the Boys, and then the Saints. This team showed just how dominating they can be against 2 great NFC teams. It just turns out the ball bounced the Saints way that night, can't blame coaching for that. He obviously did one hell of a job getting the team ready for both games.

As others have said, as the Jets fans said, there's always next year. 2011 Super Bowl Champs!

Prophet
01-26-2010, 07:45 AM
Holmstrom wrote:

Dude if you ppl actually want Favre back you are deranged. THIS was our shot. Why put the poor guy through the pain of playing for this choking LOSER organization.

You actually think he's gonna win a Super Bowl NEXT YEAR??? NEXT YEAR????? NEXT YEAR????? THIS WAS THE YR!!!! One game away!!!! haha what a freakin' joke.

This team WILL NEVER EVER EVER F*cking win. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope he goes somewhere next year and WINS A SUPER BOWL. I hope to God he goes somewhere else and wins one. He deserves it.

These Choking CLOWNS we have right now don't deserve shit. I have no idea what Visanthe's situation is but I hope he goes w/ Favre and wins it somewhere else.

Why would Favre go through the grind AGAIN at 41 only to play for tis cursed team.

Go win it Favre. Somewhere that won't put 12 men in the huddle at the most inopportune time humanly possibly. Some where that has players who don't cough up the ball everytime you get in position.

lmao. Your true colors show, join the board after the Vikings are going undefeated then give up like a little girl in a tutu with the hell's angels closing in on her. Fans like this can leave and never look back and it would do nothing but make the fan base better. Go ahead, dot me, I don't care.

ultravikingfan
01-26-2010, 08:23 AM
Prophet wrote:

Holmstrom wrote:

Dude if you ppl actually want Favre back you are deranged. THIS was our shot. Why put the poor guy through the pain of playing for this choking LOSER organization.

You actually think he's gonna win a Super Bowl NEXT YEAR??? NEXT YEAR????? NEXT YEAR????? THIS WAS THE YR!!!! One game away!!!! haha what a freakin' joke.

This team WILL NEVER EVER EVER F*cking win. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope he goes somewhere next year and WINS A SUPER BOWL. I hope to God he goes somewhere else and wins one. He deserves it.

These Choking CLOWNS we have right now don't deserve shit. I have no idea what Visanthe's situation is but I hope he goes w/ Favre and wins it somewhere else.

Why would Favre go through the grind AGAIN at 41 only to play for tis cursed team.

Go win it Favre. Somewhere that won't put 12 men in the huddle at the most inopportune time humanly possibly. Some where that has players who don't cough up the ball everytime you get in position.

lmao. Your true colors show, join the board after the Vikings are going undefeated then give up like a little girl in a tutu with the hell's angels closing in on her. Fans like this can leave and never look back and it would do nothing but make the fan base better. Go ahead, dot me, I don't care.

He will be reading as a "Guest".

;)

PAvikesfan
01-26-2010, 08:49 AM
Marrdro wrote:

PAvikesfan wrote:

Minniman wrote:

There are many things here that have already been stated, and I will likely expand on them here or in the appropriate topics, but not right now.

At this time, I would like to bring up that this season, much like 1998, was a perfect storm for the Minnesota Vikings. The combination of players, coaches, schedule, and intangibles created an environment for a Super Bowl winning season. Much like in 1998, the Minnesota Vikings fell short in an overtime game for the NFC championship.

The assumption that next year will be better is not valid logically or historically. The Vikings have a more difficult schedule with many playoff or near playoff teams. Brett Favre may or may not be back again, and even if he is, he may not be able to repeat the magic of this season. The Vikings had relatively few injuries this season, and that may not hold. There are just too many variables to expect the 2010 season to be much different than the 1999 season.

The Vikings may get better, but so may the Saints, Cowboys, Packers, and other contenders, and the Vikings had good playoff match ups that may not come next year. The Vikings dominated the Cowboys and outplayed the Saints. The ring was in their grasp, but they just could not hold onto it.

That is why this game hurts Vikings fans so bad. We say, "Wait until next year," but we know in the back of our minds that next year may be good but not great. We understand the missed opportunities like no other fans in the NFL. The Vikings are the winningest losers in modern NFL history.

So I say with a heavy heart, "Wait until next year," but I do not know if I really believe it.

Yep, kind of how I see next year. Even if Favre comes back, there is no way he will play as good. He had a career year.

This is how I see our roster next season, our key players (the ones that will definitely still be here):

All our skilled offensive players will only be as good as our QB, except AP and Harvin. If Favre comes back:

AP - slightly better production, maybe not more TD's but slightly more yards.
Rice - another great season, but slightly less productive.
CT - same production
Shancoe - same production
Harvin - same production

If Favre retires and we rely on just Tjack or Rosenthals:

AP - slightly better production, maybe not more TD's but definitely more yards.
Rice - significantly less productive, like half as many TD's and 1/4 less receptions
CT - slightly less productive
Shancoe - Less productive, 1/4 less TD's
Harvin - Same production

Our Defense:
This is where we will be hurting the most regardless of Favre or not -duh:

Pat Williams - Less Productive, age
Winfield - Never will regain his productivity, age
EJ - will come back and play great again
Edwards - same production, slightly more sacks
Allen - slightly less production, hard to match that career year, but he definitely could

Long story short:
The Vikings will not be as good in 2010, regardless of whether Favre comes back or not cause of our aging key players on defense (unless we upgrade)and the unlikeliness of Favre and Rice having another career year.
So your saying the 4 TD's (better than last year) is a indicator his production will drop off? Talking about Shanc of course.

Seems he was pretty productive last year with the likes of Gus and TJ throwing to him.

NFL Stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/visantheshiancoe/profile?id=SHI025168)

Comeon my friend. Each and every year under this regime we seem to think all is lost and there is no hope going into next year. Hell, it got to the point this year that a few were spewing forth the drivel that the off season FA signings were the worst ever.

In the end, the staff did something that made us better.

Sure we lost EJ, probably won't be back. Brinkley filled in nicely. Whinny went down, again, and someone stepped in, nicely. Phat Pat took alot of reps off this year, JK stepped in and ate those reps up nicely.

I for one have every confindence in this staff to AGAIN, go out and make this team better in the offseason.

Long story short, the sky is not falling my friends. If history (albeit limited) holds true with what this staff and team has done, they will only get better.

The way I see it, they only have to commit one less turnover next season in the NFC Championship game and we get to the big dance.

That isn't asking to much is it? :huh:

Nope, just saying without a Favre-like QB, Shanc will have 1/4 less TD's, which will be around 7--which is what he did in 2008. Do you really think Tjack or Rosenthals will be throwing the ball around as much as Favre would be. We go back to being a run first team again, with one of those two guys. Which means, less productive for virtaully everyone on offense, which means our defense will have to work extra hard with aging people like winfield and Pat williams and the often injured EJ--this is unlikely. Just pointing out that this was our magical year with tremendous stats and that it is unlikely to happen again next year. now, that doesn't mean we cant go to the SB next season, but we will not be as good of a team next year.

purplepat
01-26-2010, 09:12 AM
What can I say that hasn't been said?

On the whole, my emotions were well in check during this entire game (or at least, after the Saints answered the Vikings opening TD with one of their own). And considering the Vikings trailed during much of the second half, I was already resigning myself to another year where we didn't win the big one.

My spirits picked up though after the Vikings tied it at 28 and then got the ball with 2:37 remaining. I thought we'd probably drive down and kick the winning FG or at the very worst, force OT.

Even though I felt the noose tightening after the 12 men penalty and the subsequent pick, we still had the hope of OT...but then we don't win the coin toss.

Despite the many ways the Vikings gave this game to the Saints, I'll always feel like we were robbed in OT on that 4th down dive play and replay review. I don't see any way that Thomas had the ball past the first down marker after he fumbled it and regained possession. That play, called correctly, would have almost certainly given the Vikings the win a few short plays later. I thought the two later plays (the Leber PI and the trapped catch) were questionable at the very least and also could have changed the outcome around.

I've really been kind of numb for the past 36 hours, even though I was being careful not to count my chickens too early. The fact that the Vikings clearly outplayed the Saints on both sides of the ball, and I feel the refs took the ball away from us in OT, just makes it hurt more than I expected it would. It's a quiet suffering, but suffering nonetheless.

I only hope that Brett decides he has one more season left in him...even if all we get out of it is another sweep of the Packers and a third straight division title. Our best hope of winning a SB next season is clearly with Favre, and we just missed this season.

Sajid28
01-26-2010, 10:52 AM
finally.. after trying to log back in here for the past 3 days i finally got in.. anyways, i dont think ive ever felt this sad and just feel like crap. i feel like my wife left me or something. we had that game. i dont blame it on Brett, cuz it was a team loss. giving up 5 TO, your never gonna win a playoff game.

I give credit to the Vikings defense and staff. We held brees to 200 yards passing which is phenomenal. What did bother me was that at times brees had all day to throw. where was the pressure like how they were pressuring favre?

p.s. that PI call on leber was total horseshit!

pack93z
01-26-2010, 11:17 AM
A couple of notes on the Championship game from the green hue...


A) You outplayed the Saints.. especially the defense game plan was very solid and you were able to control that offense way better than I expected going in.

B.) The defensive lines pressure.. most notably on Allen's side was poor.. the Saints had prepared to roll protection to Allen's side, but rarely needed to utilize it. Off day from the self touted cattleman.

C) The offensive line, did a decent job considering the amount of pressure that Saints threw at them.. little soft at tackle in pass protection.

D) The Saints went old school in trying to put the QB on the sidelines by pounding the crap out of Brett.. part of me loved that mentality, and part of me thought they gave up too much just to inflict pain.

E) Doubt has to start to be creeping into the minds of the Viking brass on AP's ball control issues... yes he wasn't the only one that put the ball on the carpet.. but damn it is becoming more than just an issue. No matter how much he gives you in productivity.. if he is going to cough up the ball, can you trust him in the clutch.. toward the end of the game.. it looked pretty clear that that trust is being stressed.

F) I think the NFL still has an large officiating issue, which really needs to be addressed quickly. The quality of calls is decreasing yearly IMO.. maybe Peiria retiring will bring change.. something needs to be done with consistency of the crews.

G) I think next year will be a two way battle again for the Division.. the Packers and the Vikes.. let the off season tinkering begin.

Bonus.. welcome to your first go round on the will he or won't he train.. which will sprawl out into the FA period and will put some unseen stress on the plan for next seasons roster.

Honestly.. I was rooting for no other team than the Jets this past weekend.. because I think the Jets vs Saints/Vikes would have made for a better SB.

V4L
01-26-2010, 11:24 AM
Only thing still bothering me honestly is that fourth down play

His helmet was the only thing at the first down.. He was bobbling the ball therefore ball should be spotted when he went down not where he was pushed back (even tho I still honestly think the ball never crossed the first)

I think that was a HUGE play that basically cost us the game

pack93z
01-26-2010, 11:27 AM
Forgot one other note.. which still baffles me today..

How in the hell do you have 12 men on the field, coming out of a timeout, where according to Brett the call was going to be another run to try and gain yardage.

I could see if they were undecided on the play call or were rushed.. but coming out of a TO is inexcusable.

pack93z
01-26-2010, 11:30 AM
V4L wrote:

Only thing still bothering me honestly is that fourth down play

His helmet was the only thing at the first down.. He was bobbling the ball therefore ball should be spotted when he went down not where he was pushed back (even tho I still honestly think the ball never crossed the first)

I think that was a HUGE play that basically cost us the game

The call on the field was a judgment call.. and the video evidence didn't show enough to over turn it.

With all the technology we have in this sports world, I find it pathetic that they don't have one of two things to remedy that issue.. either a direct shot down the LOS or some time of location technology to tell if the ball crosses the LOS..

The cost of GPS type technologies is controllable enough to incorporate some type of use into this game.

C Mac D
01-26-2010, 11:31 AM
pack93z wrote:

Forgot one other note.. which still baffles me today..

How in the hell do you have 12 men on the field, coming out of a timeout, where according to Brett the call was going to be another run to try and gain yardage.

I could see if they were undecided on the play call or were rushed.. but coming out of a TO is inexcusable.

http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/childres_08022_ia.jpg

Caine
01-26-2010, 12:15 PM
C Mac D wrote:

pack93z wrote:

Forgot one other note.. which still baffles me today..

How in the hell do you have 12 men on the field, coming out of a timeout, where according to Brett the call was going to be another run to try and gain yardage.

I could see if they were undecided on the play call or were rushed.. but coming out of a TO is inexcusable.

http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/childres_08022_ia.jpg

+1

dfosterf
01-26-2010, 01:43 PM
I swore I was going to stay silent except for my one post earlier in this thread, but CMac....

That is some of your best work. lol

Great delivery!

LOL LOL LOL

tastywaves
01-26-2010, 01:47 PM
dfosterf wrote:

I swore I was going to stay silent except for my one post earlier in this thread, but CMac....

That is some of your best work. lol

Great delivery!

LOL LOL LOL

It could be worse:

http://sportsdemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/matt-ludtke.jpg

Brazilian Rider
01-26-2010, 02:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Purplefeet
01-26-2010, 04:47 PM
I thought we would have a hard time on D but that was a great defensive game.

Farve had a very good game, miss a few throws he usually makes but amazing heart. He was beat to death. The INT at the end was just a bad choice coming from the frustration he felt inside of dominanting a game and seemly having to do so much with too many dumb mistakes around him. He was amazing.

Childress runs two plays up the gut when he could have picked up the needed ten yards with the Saints looking run on the last drive. No imagination and playing not to lose....again. Then he get tricky, tries to confuse defense and confuses his own players instead causing the need for the 3rd down pass. The routes on the last play were not good ones IMO against a zone D which you have to expect in that situation.

Adrain Petersen.....really getting old now. He carries the ball like a loaf of bread. He is so frustrated he is not breaking off these 70 yard runs he forgets all else. The fumble on the ten....he never came even close to giving Farve anywhere to put the ball. I'm sorry but that was a junior high school act there....not even high school. First thing you EVER learn as a back is taking the handoff....he seriously has some growing up to do this offseason. If he does not fix these fumbles he is of zero value no matter what else he does because the fumbles thrump it all....and make the other guys start thinking....what bad is gonna happen next.

Great team, great year, amazing talent, so sad....so hard to get this close, be better and yet lose....again

:( .

scottishvike
01-26-2010, 05:02 PM
Could someone please explain to me why when a defenders hand brushes the QB's helmet there are more flags than the 4th of July. Yet it's perfectly Ok to perform a body slam that Hulk Hogan in his prime would have been proud of, long after the ball is thrown. We keep hearing about how the QB's need protection, well Sunday's game made a mockery of that.

scottishvike
01-26-2010, 05:08 PM
Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Whatever call was made on the field was going to stand up, the video referee didn't have definitive evidence to over rule. If he was on the ground with the field markings visible then you know for sure, as it stands you could argue it either way.

Eldin
01-26-2010, 05:16 PM
Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Great video.

I know there's disdain for those who complain about the officiating, but the fact is that something like that can determine the outcome of the game. Granted that the Vikings should never have allowed that play to occur, and granted there was surely some bad calls in the other direction (the roughing the passer call was awful, even if the Saints were trying to put a lot of hits on Favre), that is a heart-breaker. The defense stuffed them and were absolutely robbed of an amazing stop. I'm not sure he got it even if the ball had not been knocked lose, but it was, and it went backward. No way he had that.

I can understand missing the call on the field, but to miss it in the booth is inexcusable.

KrackerJack
01-26-2010, 05:21 PM
Eldin wrote:

Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Great video.

I know there's disdain for those who complain about the officiating, but the fact is that something like that can determine the outcome of the game. Granted that the Vikings should never have allowed that play to occur, and granted there was surely some bad calls in the other direction (the roughing the passer call was awful, even if the Saints were trying to put a lot of hits on Favre), that is a heart-breaker. The defense stuffed them and were absolutely robbed of an amazing stop. I'm not sure he got it even if the ball had not been knocked lose, but it was, and it went backward. No way he had that.

I can understand missing the call on the field, but to miss it in the booth is inexcusable.

Honestly, based on the video, I think it's too close to say. I wouldn't call that clear enough evidence to overturn the call.

scottishvike
01-26-2010, 05:45 PM
KrackerJack wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Great video.

I know there's disdain for those who complain about the officiating, but the fact is that something like that can determine the outcome of the game. Granted that the Vikings should never have allowed that play to occur, and granted there was surely some bad calls in the other direction (the roughing the passer call was awful, even if the Saints were trying to put a lot of hits on Favre), that is a heart-breaker. The defense stuffed them and were absolutely robbed of an amazing stop. I'm not sure he got it even if the ball had not been knocked lose, but it was, and it went backward. No way he had that.

I can understand missing the call on the field, but to miss it in the booth is inexcusable.

Honestly, based on the video, I think it's too close to say. I wouldn't call that clear enough evidence to overturn the call.

Phil Simms has said in the past that technology should be able to put a microchip in the ball that would give a definitive answer to where it is on the pitch at all times. He could be talking a load of BS though.

KrackerJack
01-26-2010, 05:52 PM
scottishvike wrote:

KrackerJack wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Great video.

I know there's disdain for those who complain about the officiating, but the fact is that something like that can determine the outcome of the game. Granted that the Vikings should never have allowed that play to occur, and granted there was surely some bad calls in the other direction (the roughing the passer call was awful, even if the Saints were trying to put a lot of hits on Favre), that is a heart-breaker. The defense stuffed them and were absolutely robbed of an amazing stop. I'm not sure he got it even if the ball had not been knocked lose, but it was, and it went backward. No way he had that.

I can understand missing the call on the field, but to miss it in the booth is inexcusable.

Honestly, based on the video, I think it's too close to say. I wouldn't call that clear enough evidence to overturn the call.

Phil Simms has said in the past that technology should be able to put a microchip in the ball that would give a definitive answer to where it is on the pitch at all times. He could be talking a load of BS though.

Well, I hope the NFL can figure out a new way to determine close first downs. There are so many, like this one, that are just too close for a ref to say that they were clearly wrong and overturn the call. Even if he didn't get the first here, there's no way that its conclusive evidence, which is what they need to have to turn the call around.

VikingMike
01-26-2010, 07:38 PM
Still sick over this loss. I will never get used to this...just no way.

When I think of "what could have been", I get a sick feeling in my stomach. I keep telling myself it's only a game...but of course it's not.

I also keep telling myself that I have my health, got a great family and thank God they're all healthy too. I should be grateful, and I am, very grateful...but then I get back to thinking about "what could have been".

I know I'll eventually come to accept this loss...but I'll never get used to it, as long as I live I won't ever get used to it.

Finally, I would like to say a huge thank you to the Vikings, the Wilfs and this entire organization for a fantastic season. Better than I hoped for. This really is a great bunch of guys...they showed me a lot of heart and guts, and that is huge in my book.

And someday, I'll look forward to next season, with all the hope and anticipation of winning that elusive Super Bowl.

*sigh*

jkjuggalo
01-26-2010, 07:49 PM
Saw this game still saved on my DVR last night and erased it as fast as humanly possible. I do not want to see this on NFLN's Missing Rings series.

C Mac D
01-26-2010, 08:07 PM
VikingMike wrote:

Still sick over this loss. I will never get used to this...just no way.

When I think of "what could have been", I get a sick feeling in my stomach. I keep telling myself it's only a game...but of course it's not.

I also keep telling myself that I have my health, got a great family and thank God they're all healthy too. I should be grateful, and I am, very grateful...but then I get back to thinking about "what could have been".

I know I'll eventually come to accept this loss...but I'll never get used to it, as long as I live I won't ever get used to it.

Finally, I would like to say a huge thank you to the Vikings, the Wilfs and this entire organization for a fantastic season. Better than I hoped for. This really is a great bunch of guys...they showed me a lot of heart and guts, and that is huge in my book.

And someday, I'll look forward to next season, with all the hope and anticipation of winning that elusive Super Bowl.

*sigh*

Great post. Wish I could have been so eloquent.

V-Unit
01-26-2010, 08:56 PM
My thoughts late, as usual:

- I will never get over this one never.

- It was kind of frustrating to get so little pressure on Brees. At the same time, he is nifty in the pocket, and he's a great QB for a reason. We also got some hits in late, and if we had recovered that fumble...well, the ball just wasn't bouncing our way. Still, we failed to rattle the QB early, and that was definitely one of our goals going into this one.

- Saints also saw some legitimate running success, which it why it was puzzling that they ran so little. We basically shut Reggie Bush down, which was nice. Some moments of bad tackling, but overall a solid performance

- When you consider that our secondary was extremely overmatched, Brees often had plenty of time to throw, and injuries were starting to creep in, I must say that our DBs played phenomenally. They didn't let up that huge pass play, and they were sure tacklers.

- Our defense played a great game. I can't gripe about it at all. Holding Brees to under 200 yards is awesome. Asking to stop the #1 offense in the league from 37 and 7 yards out with little rest is too much.

- Oh Brett Favre. It couldn't be anything more than a love hate relationship during this game. He was classic high-risk, high-reward. He two INTs were not the only dangerous passes he threw (some of them were even caught!). Yet we all know that we couldn't win that game without him. Still, a definite factor in this loss. The bad exchange was killer. The first INT was a terrible pass. The second INT was typical gunslinger.

- Oh Adrian Peterson. What are we to do with you? How can you have such a great game and such an awful game at the same time? There is no doubt you are a Viking. Peterson, like Favre, was marvelous outside of the turnovers. He refused to be contained during that game. The bad exchange was the only fumble he lost, but the other two definitely rattled the offense. We started to lose faith in our run game, and that is when the tides started turning.

- While I always have said that we relied on passing too much this year, the turnovers by Berrian and Harvin were nothing short of apalling. Like Favre and AD, you can't complain about this unit outside of those two glaring mistakes.

- Did the OL play badly? 165 yards rushing. No sacks (but tons of pressure)...I'm going to say they played OK. The Saints pressure did not weaken our passing game. Both of Favre's picks were not a result of pressure. I don't expect complete domination when playing an opponent this good.

- Turnovers! Not like this! I can stand a close game, but this was different. This was watching your team do everything it could to lose on the grandest stage. You can't even call it a no show because we dominated when we weren't turning the ball over. There were some offensive struggles in the second quarter, but otherwise we were done with punts, and 3 and outs. In the second half the offense looked like it was going to score every time they got the ball. In fact, they did when didn't turn the ball over. Pathetic and sad.

- I'll never be able to come to terms with this one. I'll never be able to give the Saints credit for winning. I'll have a tough time watching football until we have a chance to redeem ourselves in another NFCC. We would have beaten the Colts. I know it. This one is hanging over me.

-V-

Zeus
01-26-2010, 09:22 PM
scottishvike wrote:

KrackerJack wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Great video.

I know there's disdain for those who complain about the officiating, but the fact is that something like that can determine the outcome of the game. Granted that the Vikings should never have allowed that play to occur, and granted there was surely some bad calls in the other direction (the roughing the passer call was awful, even if the Saints were trying to put a lot of hits on Favre), that is a heart-breaker. The defense stuffed them and were absolutely robbed of an amazing stop. I'm not sure he got it even if the ball had not been knocked lose, but it was, and it went backward. No way he had that.

I can understand missing the call on the field, but to miss it in the booth is inexcusable.

Honestly, based on the video, I think it's too close to say. I wouldn't call that clear enough evidence to overturn the call.

Phil Simms has said in the past that technology should be able to put a microchip in the ball that would give a definitive answer to where it is on the pitch at all times. He could be talking a load of BS though.

You'd have to have multiple sensors all throughout the inside of the ball, I would suspect, so that the exact location of any portion of the ball could be known. AND those sensors would have to be constantly reporting their status so that a ball where any single one of them isn't responding would be taken out of play at the moment it fails. Can you imagine the controversy if the sensors fail during an actual play? It just seems like more trouble than it's worth.

=Z=

V-Unit
01-26-2010, 09:32 PM
Zeus wrote:

scottishvike wrote:

KrackerJack wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Brazilian Rider wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VSzKy-II

Please NFL, explain to me how that was a first down?

Great video.

I know there's disdain for those who complain about the officiating, but the fact is that something like that can determine the outcome of the game. Granted that the Vikings should never have allowed that play to occur, and granted there was surely some bad calls in the other direction (the roughing the passer call was awful, even if the Saints were trying to put a lot of hits on Favre), that is a heart-breaker. The defense stuffed them and were absolutely robbed of an amazing stop. I'm not sure he got it even if the ball had not been knocked lose, but it was, and it went backward. No way he had that.

I can understand missing the call on the field, but to miss it in the booth is inexcusable.

Honestly, based on the video, I think it's too close to say. I wouldn't call that clear enough evidence to overturn the call.

Phil Simms has said in the past that technology should be able to put a microchip in the ball that would give a definitive answer to where it is on the pitch at all times. He could be talking a load of BS though.

You'd have to have multiple sensors all throughout the inside of the ball, I would suspect, so that the exact location of any portion of the ball could be known. AND those sensors would have to be constantly reporting their status so that a ball where any single one of them isn't responding would be taken out of play at the moment it fails. Can you imagine the controversy if the sensors fail during an actual play? It just seems like more trouble than it's worth.

=Z=

I agree.

A better option may be to have extremely accurate sensors at each yard mark on both sidelines. These sensors would detect a special substance inside of the ball and "light up" when they are passed.

Still some problems, first of all, several sensors would need to placed for extremely close plays like this one. One sensor every inch on both sidelines is 7200 sensors. Also, the substance (this applies to sensors as well) inside the ball would have to be as light as air so that it didn't effect gameplay. Finally, a substance (this apply to sensors as well) isn't perfectly accurate. Field position is determined by the outer edges of the ball, so unless the substance is on the outside, it won't be accurate.

-V-

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:01 PM
Where do I start......This hurts pretty bad. I was not a hardcore fan in 1998 and 2000 so I did not really feel the pain. Why do I feel this terrible about a sports team? I feel silly about being depressed about such a silly thing when there are more important things in life. The Minnesota Vikings are really the only sports team I truly care about and I can help this feeling.

I don't want to point blame at anyone because I truly feel after Sunday that we are the best team in the NFL. Which makes this lose hurt even more. We just made crucial mistakes at the wrong time.

Favre: You are the greatest QB to ever put on a Vikings uniform in my time. I beg you to come back for one last go. You had an amazing year and are the reason we made it to the NFC Championship game and the reason we were in that game despite 5 turnovers. You made it through a year without making a patented ill-advised Favre throw but your last throw of the year was one. You should of ran or threw it to Bernard.

12 men on the field: This game will be forever known to me as this. Tahi I won't blame you even though I want to. How the hell can we fuck this up right after a timeout? I think Childress said they changed the play after the timeout. Why? Just run the fucking ball. Maybe we tried to get to cute. This cost us the game in my eyes.

Peterson: Come on man. As much as I want to say trade his ass, I won't. He better focus this off season on his problem instead of the sponsorship deals and commercials or I might change my mind. Closing your arms too early on a hand off is ridiculous. You have a lot of work to do to gain my trust back.

Shank: You are a beast! Should have went to him more.

Harvin: Got to hold on to the rock my man but a great year and you are a rook with very few mistakes.

Berrian: You are overpaid. You drop too many balls. You fumbled in a big game. You need to get you shit together but you had a great game minus that costly fumble.

OL: Letting up 0 sacks is not a good indication of your play. Favre got hit way too many times.

Tyrell Johnson: You need to make that INT. Sharper would have.

Defense: The rest of the D played pretty well in my eyes. The Cedric injury hurt big time in overtime.

Coaching Staff: I think they put together a great game plan. We figured out the Saints and should have scored 40+ points. Too bad execution ruined that game plan. Turnovers hurt big time as you all know. We dominated the Saints in so many categories. One beef I do have is with rewarding Peterson with TDs. I would have gave Taylor more of a chance. Peterson keeps running with the ball like that because he is not punished. A few plays on the sideline is not punishment.

Refs: I am not going to blame them. Few bad calls like the PI and Favre had some dirty hits on him but nothing that really killed us.

:( When will the hurt stop?

One last note: How the hell did Thomas not fumble? Peterson pay attention. You have a major problem.

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:08 PM
Tad7 wrote:

Hopefully Favre makes his decision soon

LOL where have you been? He does not need to make a decision in my eyes until the first game of the season.

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:22 PM
jkjuggalo wrote:

#4kicksA$$ wrote:

jkjuggalo wrote:

Eldin wrote:

Favre is a winner.

I'm grateful to have gotten to see him play on my team. Naturally, I never developed the proper level of respect for him when he was a hated rival.

The Vikings played such a great game overall. You can't fault them for heart. There is just something uncanny about this franchise's ability to find a way to lose big games. It's truly remarkable. This is just another chapter of Viking lore.

Favre is a winner in the regular season, but when it matters, he chokes on big dicks. He had great heart coming back from all those hits, but at the same time, there were times where that toughness seemed to impact his play. I loved this season, but this was a bad way to lose and Favre is a big reason we lost.

First of all without Favre there wouldn't have been a champinship game. Second Peterson is the one who choked big dicks today,open your eyes when you "watch" a game.

First of all, I never said Favre was the sole reason the Vikings lost the game. Second of all, there is now way of knowing how far the Vikings would have gone with another QB at the helm because it didn't happen. Use your head before you start questioning other people's ability to analyze a football game. If you think Favre was not a big reason the Vikings lost that game, then you sir are the one that needs to open your eyes.

Peterson, Berrian, and Harvin can all take some of the blame too, but ultimately it was Favre final STUPID play that closed out any hope of winning in regulation. All the hype about him playing a great season without any big mistakes was thrown out the window when he made that throw. Just a horrible play.

Soooo because the last mistake was Favres then the whole game is Favres fault? Get real. Favre was not a big reason we lost that game. His INT was dumb but there is no guarantee that Longwell makes a 50 yarder. Think. You are sadly mistaken if you think one throw destroys a great season. Think.

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:28 PM
TNViking wrote:

What costs us the game was 6 fumbles, 5 turnovers, and 2 ridiculously conservatives runs for no gain when we were at 51 yd FG range (why not try and get in easy FG range)

That was something I forgot to add. The coaching staff fucked up there.

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:33 PM
C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:35 PM
TNViking wrote:



I was a bit disappointed in the Saints in the way they went after Favre (and I've always been a bit of a Saints fan.) Their intent was to hurt him and put him out of the game. They pushed the limits of late hits, driving hits, low hits. It was obvious they wanted to take him out.


I agree. I am usually a NFC fan but not this time. Go Colts!

jmcdon00
01-26-2010, 11:36 PM
marstc09 wrote:

Tad7 wrote:

Hopefully Favre makes his decision soon

LOL where have you been? He does not need to make a decision in my eyes until the first game of the season.
Hopefully is the key word. It's going to be an interesting 8 months.

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:36 PM
CCthebest wrote:

This is worse then 1998. We had the game. All Favre had to do was NOT F it up. And he did. And lost us this game. Because we did have it in the bag.

I usually stick up for you but clearly you have no clue what you are talking about.

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:39 PM
vikings305 wrote:

I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

+1

marstc09
01-26-2010, 11:40 PM
DiehardVikesFan wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

vikings305 wrote:

I just want to know if I missed something during this game. I did not know it was Favre who fumbled in the Saints red zone, I also missed that it was Favre who fumbled in our own 30 yd. line and ended up in our own red zone. Favre made a mistake in the final play forcing a ball to the person he trusted more. IF (specially) PETERSON and HARVIN don't fumble...ol' Brett would have been taking a knee at that moment instead of looking for field position.

Really, Favre cost us this game??? Guess I was watching some other game then

Favre threw the INT across the field when we only needed about 6-7 yards to be in field goal range with less than a minute on the clock.

Game lasted 30 seconds then...

It came down to that 30 seconds.

No a game is not 30 seconds.

marstc09
01-27-2010, 12:03 AM
singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Blame him for what? The loss? Sure he made a big mistake. So did plenty of others. The blame goes to the 12 men in the huddle. The blame should go to the coaches for being ok with a 51 yard FG. I blame Favre for not changing out of it. LOL at you coming out when Favre does something wrong. I can count on one maybe two hands the number of times Favre made a mistake. Favre is the reason we will still in that game. Making plays with guys in his face all night. Without him we are not the best team in the NFL.

marstc09
01-27-2010, 12:06 AM
purpledoom wrote:

I'm listening to Cris Carter on Mike and Mike right now. He was on the sidelines last night and he says Farve put this team on his back last night.

Now I know he threw a stupid pick at the end but damn. My respect for him has grown, the way he kept getting back up and coming at them was something. Now what in the hell do you do about AD's hands I mean my Lord if he hadn't muffed that handoff in the redzone we wouldn't have been in that 30 second spot to begin with.

+1

Namius
01-27-2010, 12:11 AM
Singersp qualified what he said sufficiently with "many things combined..."- what he fairly points out the people that say Favre didn't contribute to the Vikings losing the game, which is just wrong. It could be you overlooking "one iota" which is equivalent to saying " a little bit", and also overlooking the word contributing, which means being a part of. And it's fair because I was pretty generous at first, but after hearing the talking heads talk about courage, gunslinger, etc. etc. I can understand someone wanting to say, the old guy s%&* the bed too some.

marstc09
01-27-2010, 12:34 AM
CCthebest wrote:

Because he cant kick the ball deep in the endzone? Like the Saints and others did to us. He doesnt allow time to set upkickoff coverage. With our ST we need a good booming kick every time.

That's funny, they were fine the whole season.

jmcdon00
01-27-2010, 12:35 AM
marstc09 wrote:

singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Blame him for what? The loss? Sure he made a big mistake. So did plenty of others. The blame goes to the 12 men in the huddle. The blame should go to the coaches for being ok with a 51 yard FG. I blame Favre for not changing out of it. LOL at you coming out when Favre does something wrong. I can count on one maybe two hands the number of times Favre made a mistake. Favre is the reason we will still in that game. Making plays with guys in his face all night. Without him we are not the best team in the NFL.
The coaches did many things right too. Everyone did. That's one of the things that make it extra painful. Most every player stepped up at one point and failed at another.

The coaching staff had a great game plan, but made mistakes in the final minutes.

Favre had one of the gutsiest games I have ever seen a QB have, but threw one of the worst picks I have ever seen.

Peterson rushed for over a hundred yards and 3td, but fumbled at key moments.

Berrian and Harvin both caught some big passes at big times(combined 14 catches for 140yds), but both fumbled at the worst times.

The defense played great, but couldn't get a stop in overtime.

VikingMike
01-27-2010, 08:03 AM
jmcdon00 wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Blame him for what? The loss? Sure he made a big mistake. So did plenty of others. The blame goes to the 12 men in the huddle. The blame should go to the coaches for being ok with a 51 yard FG. I blame Favre for not changing out of it. LOL at you coming out when Favre does something wrong. I can count on one maybe two hands the number of times Favre made a mistake. Favre is the reason we will still in that game. Making plays with guys in his face all night. Without him we are not the best team in the NFL.
The coaches did many things right too. Everyone did. That's one of the things that make it extra painful. Most every player stepped up at one point and failed at another.

The coaching staff had a great game plan, but made mistakes in the final minutes.

Favre had one of the gutsiest games I have ever seen a QB have, but threw one of the worst picks I have ever seen.

Peterson rushed for over a hundred yards and 3td, but fumbled at key moments.

Berrian and Harvin both caught some big passes at big times(combined 14 catches for 140yds), but both fumbled at the worst times.

The defense played great, but couldn't get a stop in overtime.


1. Gutsy performance, easily good enough to win.
2. His players love him...if he doesn't return, it leaves a huge void in leadership.
3. F*ck Williams, McCray, Hargrove. When your only defensive game plan is to maim the opposing QB, I lose whatever little respect I had for you.
4. Normally I don't like to say "they didn't win, we lost" because it's sour grapes and belittles the opponents...but it could never have been more true.
5. I hope the Colts beat destroy demolish the Aints (see pt# 3 above). I have nothing but disdain for them.

whackthepack
01-27-2010, 08:28 AM
marstc09 wrote:

singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Blame him for what? The loss? Sure he made a big mistake. So did plenty of others. The blame goes to the 12 men in the huddle. The blame should go to the coaches for being ok with a 51 yard FG. I blame Favre for not changing out of it. LOL at you coming out when Favre does something wrong. I can count on one maybe two hands the number of times Favre made a mistake. Favre is the reason we will still in that game. Making plays with guys in his face all night. Without him we are not the best team in the NFL.

+1


Singer you have no credibilty when it comes to Favre you went and hid like a little school girl when things didn't go the way you thought they would with Favre at QB at least Marrdro hung around and posted.

Yes Favre is to blame for poor decisions in this game but if he would have thrown the ball away it would still have been a 56 yard field goal not a sure thing and they still went to OT.

He is not soley to blame for this loss there is plenty of to go around.

BleedinPandG
01-27-2010, 08:41 AM
whackthepack wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Blame him for what? The loss? Sure he made a big mistake. So did plenty of others. The blame goes to the 12 men in the huddle. The blame should go to the coaches for being ok with a 51 yard FG. I blame Favre for not changing out of it. LOL at you coming out when Favre does something wrong. I can count on one maybe two hands the number of times Favre made a mistake. Favre is the reason we will still in that game. Making plays with guys in his face all night. Without him we are not the best team in the NFL.

+1


Singer you have no credibilty when it comes to Favre you went and hid like a little school girl when things didn't go the way you thought they would with Favre at QB at least Marrdro hung around and posted.

Yes Favre is to blame for poor decisions in this game but if he would have thrown the ball away it would still have been a 56 yard field goal not a sure thing and they still went to OT.

He is not soley to blame for this loss there is plenty of to go around.

Favre didn't need to throw the ball away, he wasn't under duress when he made the decision... that's what makes it even more frustrating... if his options had been 1) make a risky throw or 2) leave us with a 56 yard FG try... people would be okay... but he had options in Berrian for a shorter completion giving us a 45 - 48 yard FG shot... or even just running it giving us the same sort of opportunity. Farve made a risky decision to go after a bigger gain then was required and in that situation, it was extremely stupid. He has to know situational football... he has to know what is needed as a minimum... and he has to know the consequences of going for more... someone with his experience has got to know not to even THINK about making that throw much less attempting it. He was rolled out of the pocket to eliminate the potential for a sack, to limit his options for receivers, to make this a VERY low risk play to at the worst, give us a short at a 56 yard FG to send us to the SB. He, only he, decided to alter the parameters and throw to the 4th option on the play which shouldn't even have been an option and he should have known that.

Did Favre lose us the game? No, no one person did... but Favre's decision DID cost us a chance at winning the game. That fact can not be argued.

As for the O Line... they played fantastic... the Saints were consistently sending 5 or more players and Favre wasn't sacked a single time and in most cases, had adequate protection to make solid throws. Did he get hit? Of course, when the other team blitzes he's going to... not to mention they weren't shy about taking an extra step or two in order to hit him. It's an O line's job to give him time to throw, not to keep his uniform clean. He's a football player, he's going to get hit... if he can't handle that, it's time to hang up the cleats princess.

whackthepack
01-27-2010, 09:26 AM
BleedinPandG wrote:

whackthepack wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

singersp wrote:

I've said before that many things combined led to our loss last night, but LOL at the Favre appologists who don't blame him one iota for contributing to the loss.

Blame him for what? The loss? Sure he made a big mistake. So did plenty of others. The blame goes to the 12 men in the huddle. The blame should go to the coaches for being ok with a 51 yard FG. I blame Favre for not changing out of it. LOL at you coming out when Favre does something wrong. I can count on one maybe two hands the number of times Favre made a mistake. Favre is the reason we will still in that game. Making plays with guys in his face all night. Without him we are not the best team in the NFL.

+1


Singer you have no credibilty when it comes to Favre you went and hid like a little school girl when things didn't go the way you thought they would with Favre at QB at least Marrdro hung around and posted.

Yes Favre is to blame for poor decisions in this game but if he would have thrown the ball away it would still have been a 56 yard field goal not a sure thing and they still went to OT.

He is not soley to blame for this loss there is plenty of to go around.

Favre didn't need to throw the ball away, he wasn't under duress when he made the decision... that's what makes it even more frustrating... if his options had been 1) make a risky throw or 2) leave us with a 56 yard FG try... people would be okay... but he had options in Berrian for a shorter completion giving us a 45 - 48 yard FG shot... or even just running it giving us the same sort of opportunity. Farve made a risky decision to go after a bigger gain then was required and in that situation, it was extremely stupid. He has to know situational football... he has to know what is needed as a minimum... and he has to know the consequences of going for more... someone with his experience has got to know not to even THINK about making that throw much less attempting it. He was rolled out of the pocket to eliminate the potential for a sack, to limit his options for receivers, to make this a VERY low risk play to at the worst, give us a short at a 56 yard FG to send us to the SB. He, only he, decided to alter the parameters and throw to the 4th option on the play which shouldn't even have been an option and he should have known that.

Did Favre lose us the game? No, no one person did... but Favre's decision DID cost us a chance at winning the game. That fact can not be argued.

As for the O Line... they played fantastic... the Saints were consistently sending 5 or more players and Favre wasn't sacked a single time and in most cases, had adequate protection to make solid throws. Did he get hit? Of course, when the other team blitzes he's going to... not to mention they weren't shy about taking an extra step or two in order to hit him. It's an O line's job to give him time to throw, not to keep his uniform clean. He's a football player, he's going to get hit... if he can't handle that, it's time to hang up the cleats princess.


How many times have you seen a QB take that much abuse? I still think the Saints coaching staff told there team to take late hits and cheap shots and was their intention to hurt Favre.

At QB you are going to take hits but to send out their players to intentionaly hurt another player is disgusting!

And I hope somebody repays them with trying to hurt Breese and see how much they whine about it.

And yes Favre should have thrown it away and we should have tried the fieldgoal but when was the last time a Viking kicker made a 56 yard fieldgoal?

But the people that say he is the reason we lost the game are full of shit.

BleedinPandG
01-27-2010, 09:33 AM
whackthepack wrote:

How many times have you seen a QB take that much abuse? I still think the Saints coaching staff told there team to take late hits and cheap shots and was their intention to hurt Favre.

At QB you are going to take hits but to send out their players to intentionaly hurt another player is disgusting!

And I hope somebody repays them with trying to hurt Breese and see how much they whine about it.

And yes Favre should have thrown it away and we should have tried the fieldgoal but when was the last time a Viking kicker made a 56 yard fieldgoal?

But the people that say he is the reason we lost the game are full of shit.

In the playoffs? It's common to see a QB hit that often... the defense tend to be among the best in the league, the QBs tend to be among the best in the league... D's know they need to pressure the QB and are often able to. How much abuse did Romo take when we played the Cowboys? How much abuse did Brady take against the Giants in the SB?

I'm guessing both Brees and Peyton will be hit next weekend too.

I do agree, I believe the Saints game plan was to hit Favre at all costs and I do believe they got carried away with it at times. Whether that call came from the coaches, whether it was frustration on the players, or whether it was an individual decision to be dirty, I can't say... but I was not pleased with how that played out and I was surprised there weren't more flags. I know the refs don't want to decide games, especially in the playoffs, but if the Saints players didn't cross the line, they were right on it.

As for Longwell, he has made several game winners over 50 yards... the one that comes to mind was the win against the Packers a few years back. Regardless, a chance is better than no chance.

Favre didn't cost us the game... he simply cost us a chance to win it.

C Mac D
01-27-2010, 09:33 AM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

I've already said I don't blame Favre. Sure the INT was killer, but we should have put that game away much earlier.

The 12-man is what really killed us IMO.

marstc09
01-27-2010, 09:35 AM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

I've already said I don't blame Favre. Sure the INT was killer, but we should have put that game away much earlier.

The 12-man is what really killed us IMO.

I agree 100%. The 12 men is what I blame this game on and Childress admitted it was his fault. So naturally I have to blame the guy that is blaming himself.

Bkfldviking
01-27-2010, 09:39 AM
I don't blame any one person or group for this loss. This was a TEAM loss. Coaches, players, offense, defense, special teams all contributed. That being said, I want Favre back next year, I want our O line to develop an "attitude" and when a team takes shots at our QB they better be prepared to have five guys in their face immediately. When a defense decides they can afford to take 15 yard penalties for the sake of hitting a QB, then our O line needs to have the same mentality and retribution should be immediate.

BleedinPandG
01-27-2010, 09:41 AM
marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

I've already said I don't blame Favre. Sure the INT was killer, but we should have put that game away much earlier.

The 12-man is what really killed us IMO.

I agree 100%. The 12 men is what I blame this game on and Childress admitted it was his fault. So naturally I have to blame the guy that is blaming himself.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So let me get this straight...

The whole game didn't come down to 1 play... we can't blame the guy who cost us an opportunity to even take a chance at kicking a FG for losing the game...

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT............

the whole game came down to 1 penalty? A penalty that didn't cost us a chance at trying a FG, it simply increased the difficult of the FG?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C Mac D
01-27-2010, 09:46 AM
BleedinPandG wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

I've already said I don't blame Favre. Sure the INT was killer, but we should have put that game away much earlier.

The 12-man is what really killed us IMO.

I agree 100%. The 12 men is what I blame this game on and Childress admitted it was his fault. So naturally I have to blame the guy that is blaming himself.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So let me get this straight...

The whole game didn't come down to 1 play... we can't blame the guy who cost us an opportunity to even take a chance at kicking a FG for losing the game...

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT............

the whole game came down to 1 penalty? A penalty that didn't cost us a chance at trying a FG, it simply increased the difficult of the FG?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, it's cause and reaction. We needed to pass because we were pushed back even further.

Childress changed the play after the TO to try and get clever... but forgot the personnel change he had made. He has already admitted to this.

Without that penalty, we could have just run it for 2 or 3 yards and it would have been a 48 yard field goal. Easily within Longwell's reach.

I also think the penalty sorta killed our moral. It was a real back breaker at that moment.

marstc09
01-27-2010, 09:52 AM
C Mac D wrote:

BleedinPandG wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

I've already said I don't blame Favre. Sure the INT was killer, but we should have put that game away much earlier.

The 12-man is what really killed us IMO.

I agree 100%. The 12 men is what I blame this game on and Childress admitted it was his fault. So naturally I have to blame the guy that is blaming himself.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So let me get this straight...

The whole game didn't come down to 1 play... we can't blame the guy who cost us an opportunity to even take a chance at kicking a FG for losing the game...

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT............

the whole game came down to 1 penalty? A penalty that didn't cost us a chance at trying a FG, it simply increased the difficult of the FG?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, it's cause and reaction. We needed to pass because we were pushed back even further.

Childress changed the play after the TO to try and get clever... but forgot the personnel change he had made. He has already admitted to this.

Without that penalty, we could have just run it for 2 or 3 yards and it would have been a 48 yard field goal. Easily within Longwell's reach.

I also think the penalty sorta killed our moral. It was a real back breaker at that moment.

Sometimes you are brilliant C Mac D. That is all that needs to be said BleedinPandG.

I can use ! too.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BleedinPandG
01-27-2010, 09:52 AM
C Mac D wrote:


Sure, it's cause and reaction. We needed to pass because we were pushed back even further.

Childress changed the play after the TO to try and get clever... but forgot the personnel change he had made. He has already admitted to this.

Without that penalty, we could have just run it for 2 or 3 yards and it would have been a 48 yard field goal. Easily within Longwell's reach.

I also think the penalty sorta killed our moral. It was a real back breaker at that moment.

Putting a lot of words in Chilly's mouth there... he essentially said he's responsible for the 12th man in the huddle... it was a communication break down, and as coach, it's his job to prevent that... I'm fairly confident that he did not FORGET the personnel change.

As for everything else... what killed our moral more, the penalty or an INT that put us into OT?

It was a 5 yard penalty, you were happy with a 2 - 3 yard game... why wasn't Favre taking the 7 - 8 yard gain from either running or throwing it to the flat in front of him instead of forcing the ball 15+ yards down the field?

That penalty is no different than the INT in determining the game... but unlike the INT, the penalty did not prevent us from having a chance to win the game... the INT did.

C Mac D
01-27-2010, 09:56 AM
BleedinPandG wrote:

C Mac D wrote:


Sure, it's cause and reaction. We needed to pass because we were pushed back even further.

Childress changed the play after the TO to try and get clever... but forgot the personnel change he had made. He has already admitted to this.

Without that penalty, we could have just run it for 2 or 3 yards and it would have been a 48 yard field goal. Easily within Longwell's reach.

I also think the penalty sorta killed our moral. It was a real back breaker at that moment.

Putting a lot of words in Chilly's mouth there... he essentially said he's responsible for the 12th man in the huddle... it was a communication break down, and as coach, it's his job to prevent that... I'm fairly confident that he did not FORGET the personnel change.

As for everything else... what killed our moral more, the penalty or an INT that put us into OT?

It was a 5 yard penalty, you were happy with a 2 - 3 yard game... why wasn't Favre taking the 7 - 8 yard gain from either running or throwing it to the flat in front of him instead of forcing the ball 15+ yards down the field?

That penalty is no different than the INT in determining the game... but unlike the INT, the penalty did not prevent us from having a chance to win the game... the INT did.

Personally, I don't think the INT happens without the penalty. But whatever.

marstc09
01-27-2010, 09:58 AM
BleedinPandG wrote:

C Mac D wrote:


Sure, it's cause and reaction. We needed to pass because we were pushed back even further.

Childress changed the play after the TO to try and get clever... but forgot the personnel change he had made. He has already admitted to this.

Without that penalty, we could have just run it for 2 or 3 yards and it would have been a 48 yard field goal. Easily within Longwell's reach.

I also think the penalty sorta killed our moral. It was a real back breaker at that moment.

Putting a lot of words in Chilly's mouth there... he essentially said he's responsible for the 12th man in the huddle... it was a communication break down, and as coach, it's his job to prevent that... I'm fairly confident that he did not FORGET the personnel change.

As for everything else... what killed our moral more, the penalty or an INT that put us into OT?

It was a 5 yard penalty, you were happy with a 2 - 3 yard game... why wasn't Favre taking the 7 - 8 yard gain from either running or throwing it to the flat in front of him instead of forcing the ball 15+ yards down the field?

That penalty is no different than the INT in determining the game... but unlike the INT, the penalty did not prevent us from having a chance to win the game... the INT did.

Please. Favre was on one leg. Those LBers would of closed in no time. Not sure why you think he would have gained 8 yards. Bernard was not even looking at Favre plus why would he put it in the hands of a guy who likes to drop and already fumbled? The game was on the line and he went to he go to guy. You can sit there from you couch and say he could of did this or that but he had seconds to make a decision. Childress on the other hand had a timeout to think about it and still fucked up. Childress put Favre in that position. Just run the damn ball and don't get cute. Now I understand why Childress is so vanilla.

Zeus
01-27-2010, 10:04 AM
C Mac D wrote:

marstc09 wrote:

C Mac D wrote:

lol... Favre blows a victory in the NFC Championship game with an INT.

What else is new?

C Mac D not seeing all the facts. What else is new? It was more than just Favre. lol

I've already said I don't blame Favre. Sure the INT was killer, but we should have put that game away much earlier.

The 12-man is what really killed us IMO.

And AD's fumble inside the 10. And Berrian's fumble inside the 20. And TJ's failed interception. And Leber's pass deflection that would likely have been a TJ interception had Leber not touched it. And the phantom PI call on Leber in OT. And on and on and on.

=Z=