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FanSince74
12-07-2009, 12:30 PM
I am not panicking over one loss, and quite frankly I would be more nervous going into the playoffs without another loss (i.e. law of averages).

But the one thing I have heard very little talk about this season has been Peterson's dramatic lack of production. Arizona is now shutting him down?? I know defenses are taking away the edges and doing as much as they can to stop him (which is part of the reason for Favre's success), but down the stretch they NEED to get back to running the ball. Favre cannot stand back there like Tom Brady and throw the ball 45 times and expect to win. That is not a recipe for winning. Coaches need to force the run more often and get Peterson the ball. That will make the passing game so much more effective. I can see them making a quick exit when a playoff-caliber team takes away Peterson and then makes the Vikings offense much less intimidating. Then Favre will start forcing balls and the offense will look very, very vulnerable. I saw it last night and the Cards are not the Saints. Which leads me to the secondary....ouch. The Saints would torch us for 60 with what we have back there right now. Can you tell I've been a fan for 25 years??

purplepat
12-07-2009, 12:37 PM
Being completely facetious, I'll fill in the blank with "the Los Angeles stadium move". Hey, it worked for the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens, as well as the LA/St. Louis Rams.

Otherwise, I'd say that they need to start dominating the line of scrimmage and punishing people with the running game. Control the clock more, keep the ball away from the opponent. There have been far too many 1, 0, and negative yard runs this season for AD. We should be pounding other teams into submission with sheer force and physicality.

Marrdro
12-07-2009, 12:40 PM
Couple of things to consider...

a. Changes at C and RT.
b. Changes to the blocking scheme.
c. What is being called at the line vs what was sent in from the sideline.

I'm not so sure that (a) is the primary reason for his drop off but it can't be discounted.

Item (b) has been touched on a bit on here but no one really has a answer of its significance when dealing with the ZB scheme. From the little that I know, the change to a bit of a "Tracking" approach simplifies the blocking assignments and limits some of the issues related to handing off (when double teaming) and getting to the next level.

Initially I thought this was done to help alleviate some of the penalties that you can get while running misdirection plays while using a ZB'ing scheme. Course we aren't seeing enough of those "Misdirection" plays so that a change in blocking schemes could be justified.

I think most of what we saw yesterday can be attributed to item (c). I think everyone was confused with respect to what the D was doing/showing pre-snap. Hard to made a line call when you are looking at a "Ameoba" of players off the line.

Back to the bigger issue at hand. Not sure if our issues are scheme issues. Overlord did a nice breakdown were he shows guys getting pushed deep into the backfield.

When a guy like Hutch is struggling I think it can be attributed to something worse than scheme.

All in all, your question is a tough one to answer. Someone with alot more knowledge than I have needs to answer the question......

DELRIO......Comeout comeout were ever you are.....

V4L
12-07-2009, 12:43 PM
Im not sure if it's the scheme or players just getting beat at the point of attack

They get great jumps and too much penetration.. We struggle to hold the blocks and create lanes

After that I don't see many guys getting to the second level

V4L
12-07-2009, 12:45 PM
Also I don't think the Ameoba look confused the line

They rarely sent them

We just didn't hold our blocks..Dockett was getting too much penetration up the middle

And Berry and thier other end held the contain well and pressured when needed

Just outplayed IMO

Marrdro
12-07-2009, 01:19 PM
V4L wrote:

Also I don't think the Ameoba look confused the line

They rarely sent them

We just didn't hold our blocks..Dockett was getting too much penetration up the middle

And Berry and thier other end held the contain well and pressured when needed

Just outplayed IMO
I don't think they intended to "Send them".

Putting a LB deep in coverage and moving a S up close who's only job to was to mirror AD and disguising that out of the Ameoba was what confused them. Not who was rushing the QB.

I kindof liken it to when they started with the new concept of dropping a DT or a DE back into coverage.

Trust me when I tell you the QB either didn't see them or he just saw a shirt and checked off to another route/reciever because of how confusing it was. Hell we still see DT's getting INT's out of that little trick.

This was a look designed to do the following:

a. Make our QB be indicisive with his throws.
b. Force our WR's from going to openings in the zones/slow routes
c. Cause confusion on who should block who at the line.

The Cards did something pretty inovative if you as me and did it pretty damn good.

V4L
12-07-2009, 01:22 PM
Yah that stuff was crazy

They played back alot

I think the key is spread them out 3-4 wide.. Quick slants

Percy and Sid seemed to be hittin them pretty good

Marrdro
12-07-2009, 01:26 PM
V4L wrote:

Yah that stuff was crazy

They played back alot

I think the key is spread them out 3-4 wide.. Quick slants

Percy and Sid seemed to be hittin them pretty good
I don't watch re-airs that much during the regular season, especially if its a game I watched, but this one had something new in it.

I hope the NFLN guys do a good break down on the "Ameoba".

Mr Anderson
12-07-2009, 01:31 PM
Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.

Marrdro
12-07-2009, 01:38 PM
Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?

V4L
12-07-2009, 01:41 PM
Im a waffler when it comes to Chilly

Im cool with him stayin for a bit because I don't feel like starting over

Sometimes I wish we could tho because I feel it wouldn't hurt us one bit

ultravikingfan
12-07-2009, 01:42 PM
Hutch is struggling?

Define struggling. :unsure:

We must play with "heart" to make the Super Bowl.

Mr Anderson
12-07-2009, 02:36 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?
Certainly not. They lost a lot in the offseason and they've had a bunch of key injuries this season. The rest of their division got better and they got worse.

Marrdro
12-07-2009, 02:44 PM
Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?
Certainly not. They lost a lot in the offseason and they've had a bunch of key injuries this season. The rest of their division got better and they got worse.
Well thats not the answer I was hoping for.

I was hoping you would say something along the lines that would allow me to chime in with something like...

"In the end they are all professionals. Not sure how much a coach has to do with making sure they play/act like professionals."

Fault I find with the coaching staff this weekend has nothing to do with "Fire" or "Heart". The players need to bring that. What the coaches should have been able to do was to help the players with coaching adjustments to what they were seeing on the field.

For me, I think the steam went out shortly after the players figured out that help (Adjustments) weren't coming, at least not in time to help win the game.

DiehardVikesFan
12-07-2009, 03:03 PM
Here's my take:
1. Run The F***ing Ball: Our running game has been disappointing this year especially lately. Hutchinson hasn't looked like a perennial all pro to me when I am focusing on the line. When we do run, there are usually other team's defenders in the backfield and I think we might need to start getting creative with the run game if it doesn't improve. I'd like to see some unbalanced sets and maybe even a little Wild Cat. Hell, Tennessee has ran the option with success and if we could use TJ to help get AD the ball in space I am all for it.
2. Get Quick Pressure: I anticipate if we were to make a Super Bowl run it'd go through New Orleans and there is no way our secondary can match up if we don't have a fierce pass rush from our front 4.
3. Get back to black and blue division football: We shouldn't be throwing it nearly as much as we have. This comes back to my innovative Running the F***ing ball idea. We are not going to win a shootout with teams like New Orleans or Arizona in the playoffs and I think we have to hit them in the mouth.

jargomcfargo
12-07-2009, 03:03 PM
Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?
Certainly not. They lost a lot in the offseason and they've had a bunch of key injuries this season. The rest of their division got better and they got worse.
Well thats not the answer I was hoping for.

I was hoping you would say something along the lines that would allow me to chime in with something like...

"In the end they are all professionals. Not sure how much a coach has to do with making sure they play/act like professionals."

Fault I find with the coaching staff this weekend has nothing to do with "Fire" or "Heart". The players need to bring that. What the coaches should have been able to do was to help the players with coaching adjustments to what they were seeing on the field.

For me, I think the steam went out shortly after the players figured out that help (Adjustments) weren't coming, at least not in time to help win the game.

I'm with you Marty.
Where was the adjustment to the double team on Allen most of the night?
Frazier didn't have the answer. Probably because the answer isn't in blitzing a guy like Warner. He'll make you pay.
The answer is in 93 or 91 stepping up in single coverage and applying pressure. It didn't happen.

When they start kicking to our fullback/tight end, why didn't the special teams coach put Chester Taylor, or Reynaud in that spot.

What was different about our game plan going into this game that was specificly directed toward our opponent? Anything?
Or was it the same game plan we trot out every week.

Players were flat. But the coaches need to look in the mirror this week and provide the players with the game plan and adjustments to be successful.

marstc09
12-08-2009, 01:40 AM
Get the run game going.

BadlandsVikings
12-08-2009, 01:44 AM
try Chester and Butterfingers in the backfield at the same time

Marrdro
12-08-2009, 08:11 AM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?
Certainly not. They lost a lot in the offseason and they've had a bunch of key injuries this season. The rest of their division got better and they got worse.
Well thats not the answer I was hoping for.

I was hoping you would say something along the lines that would allow me to chime in with something like...

"In the end they are all professionals. Not sure how much a coach has to do with making sure they play/act like professionals."

Fault I find with the coaching staff this weekend has nothing to do with "Fire" or "Heart". The players need to bring that. What the coaches should have been able to do was to help the players with coaching adjustments to what they were seeing on the field.

For me, I think the steam went out shortly after the players figured out that help (Adjustments) weren't coming, at least not in time to help win the game.

I'm with you Marty.
Where was the adjustment to the double team on Allen most of the night?
Frazier didn't have the answer. Probably because the answer isn't in blitzing a guy like Warner. He'll make you pay.
The answer is in 93 or 91 stepping up in single coverage and applying pressure. It didn't happen.

When they start kicking to our fullback/tight end, why didn't the special teams coach put Chester Taylor, or Reynaud in that spot.

What was different about our game plan going into this game that was specificly directed toward our opponent? Anything?
Or was it the same game plan we trot out every week.

Players were flat. But the coaches need to look in the mirror this week and provide the players with the game plan and adjustments to be successful.
Great stuff my friend.

Funny, so far you are the only one who commented on that little issue.

Very observant, very observant indeed.

Marrdro
12-08-2009, 08:11 AM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?
Certainly not. They lost a lot in the offseason and they've had a bunch of key injuries this season. The rest of their division got better and they got worse.
Well thats not the answer I was hoping for.

I was hoping you would say something along the lines that would allow me to chime in with something like...

"In the end they are all professionals. Not sure how much a coach has to do with making sure they play/act like professionals."

Fault I find with the coaching staff this weekend has nothing to do with "Fire" or "Heart". The players need to bring that. What the coaches should have been able to do was to help the players with coaching adjustments to what they were seeing on the field.

For me, I think the steam went out shortly after the players figured out that help (Adjustments) weren't coming, at least not in time to help win the game.

I'm with you Marty.
Where was the adjustment to the double team on Allen most of the night?
Frazier didn't have the answer. Probably because the answer isn't in blitzing a guy like Warner. He'll make you pay.
The answer is in 93 or 91 stepping up in single coverage and applying pressure. It didn't happen.

When they start kicking to our fullback/tight end, why didn't the special teams coach put Chester Taylor, or Reynaud in that spot.

What was different about our game plan going into this game that was specificly directed toward our opponent? Anything?
Or was it the same game plan we trot out every week.

Players were flat. But the coaches need to look in the mirror this week and provide the players with the game plan and adjustments to be successful.
Great stuff my friend.

Funny, so far you are the only one who commented on that little issue.

Very observant, very observant indeed.

bigfattty
12-08-2009, 08:35 AM
My answer is nothing.

We could have not played any worse. The old Jim Mora would fit this game. Every aspect of the team SUCKED.

They cant play any better than that. If they were to play that exact same game the rest of the year, they won't loose.

Purple Floyd
12-08-2009, 07:58 PM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

Mr Anderson wrote:

Vikings must do ____ to make the Super Bowl:
This year: There is nothing we can do. We will lose in the first playoff game we play.

Next year: Fire Childress. If his team comes out that flat on both sides of the ball in a nationally televised, primetime game against the Super Bowl runner-ups what can we get up for?

Where's the heart? The tenacity? The ego?

A team with as much talent as we have should be flying around knocking people out, breaking off big chunks of yardage play after play, snarling and spitting the whole time. Let the opposition know who's boss.

We need more than just talent, which Childress has hid behind an abundance of for a few years now. More than just talent, we need that spark, confidence, that drive, the will to win. Look at how the 49ers and the Ravens played us. Do you think that came from talent? Nuh-uh, no way brother. That was all heart.

We should have gone into Arizona last night and put our foot directly in Whisenhunt's ass. Should've sacked Warner more times than we could keep track of in our heads, Peterson should have torn up the field, that was a game we were supposed to win. We came out flatter than a witch's tit in Kansas. They dominated us in every aspect of the game. Not everyone is a self-motivator like Allen and Peterson(or Harvin apparently, he was the one bright spot last night) most guys need to be coached up to play. You think that the Raiders beat the Steelers because of the talent on the field yesterday? Nope. Crazy-ass Tom Cable probably put some fire in their bellies and unleashed them on Pittsburgh like a bunch of animals.

We will match up with, and beat any team we go against on paper. But we will never win a Super Bowl with Brad Childress as a head coach. He might be an "offensive mastermind," a "QB guru," or "run a kick ass offense." But if he can't get them to play every week, or play when it counts, he's as good as dirt. Can him when we lose in the playoffs, hire someone with a pair of balls and a temper. There's a few guys out there with those qualities plus Super Bowl rings right now that I'm sure would love to hop on board our longship stacked with talented (Minnesota) Vikings.
I'm tired of how you beat around the bush my friend. I wish, just for one time, you would tell us what you really think. B)

On a side (but somewhat related discussion) note, should Tomlin get fired for how the defending SB champions are playing?
Certainly not. They lost a lot in the offseason and they've had a bunch of key injuries this season. The rest of their division got better and they got worse.
Well thats not the answer I was hoping for.

I was hoping you would say something along the lines that would allow me to chime in with something like...

"In the end they are all professionals. Not sure how much a coach has to do with making sure they play/act like professionals."

Fault I find with the coaching staff this weekend has nothing to do with "Fire" or "Heart". The players need to bring that. What the coaches should have been able to do was to help the players with coaching adjustments to what they were seeing on the field.

For me, I think the steam went out shortly after the players figured out that help (Adjustments) weren't coming, at least not in time to help win the game.

I'm with you Marty.
Where was the adjustment to the double team on Allen most of the night?
Frazier didn't have the answer. Probably because the answer isn't in blitzing a guy like Warner. He'll make you pay.
The answer is in 93 or 91 stepping up in single coverage and applying pressure. It didn't happen.

When they start kicking to our fullback/tight end, why didn't the special teams coach put Chester Taylor, or Reynaud in that spot.

What was different about our game plan going into this game that was specifically directed toward our opponent? Anything?
Or was it the same game plan we trot out every week.

Players were flat. But the coaches need to look in the mirror this week and provide the players with the game plan and adjustments to be successful.

That has been a hallmark of the team for the Childress era. I actually commented to my wife in the 3rd quarter that this game looked like a flashback to 2006. We came out and scored on the first drive, the opposing coaches made adjustments, and we hit the proverbial wall. The players need to play, but some times the coaches need to put in a new wrinkle to help them keep their edge.

CCthebest
12-08-2009, 08:23 PM
3 Things

1)AWWE needs to do their job. When JA is double teamed Ray needs to step off (and not go offsides).

2 Need to fix the entire secondary. Havent seen Griffin play that bad in a long time. But then Fitz and Boldin are a nightmare.

3) The OLine needs to learn to run block. AD needs to do his job. If he cant, put in CT.

oaklandzoo24
12-08-2009, 11:58 PM
1 Thing...

Win the NFC Championship game.

Formo
12-09-2009, 12:17 AM
VIKINGS MUST DO stuff like win their first playoff game, and then their second playoff game.. And if there's a third playoff game, win that one TO MAKE THE SUPER BOWL...

Seriously? Fix the McKinney issue (I'm willing to bet that's what hurt our offense more than anything else). Force AP to be patient (bench time?). Make sure the players play with fire.

The secondary issues I have no problem with. We played 3 of our 4 starting DBs, and our safety went out (filled in really nicely by a rookie, BTW). Oh yeah.. We only faced the best WR duo in the NFL. With a HoF QB. People that are complaining about our DBs need to recognize what they are saying in regards to who we faced.

V-Unit
12-09-2009, 05:21 PM
To make the Super Bowl, the Vikings need to suffer from short-term memory loss:

1. The coaches must forget that Brett Favre is their QB and remember that AD is their RB.

2. The players must forget this game and show up to play with confidence.

Two extra notes:
1. We need wins against good teams, before playoff time.
2. Tahi Sucks


-V-

PurpleTide
12-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Lots of points to ponder, but we simply must get back to blocking and tackling. We must be able to control the LOS, and Adrian has to keep getting the ball, way more than 13 attempts. Down the stretch to the playoffs we must be patient and stay with the run, and keep Farve from having to throw more than 30 time's a game.
The loss of EJ like last year will be hard to overcome, but the next man up mentality is going to be big down the stretch.
Hopefully the slap in the face we received from the Cardinals will refocus this team, and coaching staff.

jmcdon00
12-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Play our best football when it counts.
Continue doing what we have done all season.
Defense wins championships!