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singersp
12-03-2009, 07:34 AM
Favre's arm benefiting from Peterson, Vikings' top defense (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/120109dnspoinsidenfl.30ed3e0dd.html)

For the first time in his 18-year starting career, Favre was not asked by his NFL employer to carry the team. The Vikings were a division champion before Favre arrived with NFL rushing champion Adrian Peterson and a Top 10 defense.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 07:49 AM
A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Zeus
12-03-2009, 08:16 AM
Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......


Who says that isn't happening? That's a real question, BTW, because I think this is another one of those "Marrdroisms" that you have taped to your monitor.

=Z=

snowinapril
12-03-2009, 08:23 AM
Ya, that is a nice article. No matter how much as a fan I want to hear that we are a good team, it always makes me nervous.

I guess my solice is the record we have and potentially have.

If....... we can beat the teams on the remaining schedule we will be deserving of the talk. Arizona and Cincy are the leaders in their division. NYG is never a slouch. Chicago, a division opponent that has the potential to cause problems as a familiar foe.

OK, lets say we finish the season 14-2 or 15-1. Now with that record, I will feel confident in us being a top team going into the playoffs. I think back to the season in the 80s and 90s when the 49ers finished with records like that. Also look at the Cowboys when they did it in the 90's. They were balanced teams with lots of potential. You could also make the case the other direction with the 1998 Vikes finishing 15-1 and then losing in that fatal game. But I think the difference is that we will finish healthier, cross our fingers and knock on wood. Also, I think we are a more balanced team offensively and defensively.

Ya, I liked that article, especially the fact that it was a Dallas news publication......

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 08:25 AM
Zeus wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......


Who says that isn't happening? That's a real question, BTW, because I think this is another one of those "Marrdroisms" that you have taped to your monitor.

=Z=
Go look in the "Longwell" thread.

NodakPaul
12-03-2009, 09:00 AM
Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 09:09 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.
Good stuff.

Problem is, it really doesn't give me what I'm looking for my friend. I want stat page that gives me a (A certain point in time) week by week comparison

NodakPaul
12-03-2009, 09:38 AM
Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.
Good stuff.

Problem is, it really doesn't give me what I'm looking for my friend. I want stat page that gives me a (A certain point in time) week by week comparison

http://www.nfl.com/players/brettfavre/gamelogs?id=FAV540222&season=2009

You can get the weekly totals for every year of his career...

snowinapril
12-03-2009, 09:42 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.

Only 6 rushes this season. Less than one a game.

This says to me that he is getting time to throw. No need to run. It says good pass protection even though he is going to be sacked more than 30 times this season. It says we have a good scheme in the KAO. It says that he is going to have a few more pass attempts. It also would coincide with the low INT numbers, not being frazzled in a pocket that is breaking down. Also it helps that passer rating. Taking an extra sack here and there instead of turning the ball over by throwing a INT. Smart decisions!

Wow! It is all adding up now. He does not have a noodle arm and it helps that he doesn't have to take extra licks running the ball.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 09:56 AM
NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.
Good stuff.

Problem is, it really doesn't give me what I'm looking for my friend. I want stat page that gives me a (A certain point in time) week by week comparison

http://www.nfl.com/players/brettfavre/gamelogs?id=FAV540222&season=2009

You can get the weekly totals for every year of his career...
I use that site. Problem is, I have to click "Start", click "Programs", click "Accessories", click "Calculator" and then mash buttons.

Gotta be something out there for a lazy cat like me that wants instant stats. B)

Anyway, did the math so sorry if I made a mistake...

AD
2008 Week 12 242 Carries/1180 Yards
2009 Week 12 230 Carries/1084 Yards

#4
2008 Week 12 248/358 Completions/Attempts 2874 Yards
2009 Week 12 245/347 Completions/Attempts 2461 Yards

Not that significant of a delta IMHO.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 10:39 AM
snowinapril wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.

Only 6 rushes this season. Less than one a game.

This says to me that he is getting time to throw. No need to run. It says good pass protection even though he is going to be sacked more than 30 times this season. It says we have a good scheme in the KAO. It says that he is going to have a few more pass attempts. It also would coincide with the low INT numbers, not being frazzled in a pocket that is breaking down. Also it helps that passer rating. Taking an extra sack here and there instead of turning the ball over by throwing a INT. Smart decisions!

Wow! It is all adding up now. He does not have a noodle arm and it helps that he doesn't have to take extra licks running the ball.
Well I wouldn't go that far. Don't make me pull up the quotes from El Syd or #4 again about the floater.... ;)

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 10:40 AM
Brett Favre's 40-Year-Old Arm Holding Up Just Fine (http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Brett-Favres-40-Year-Old-Arm-Holding-Up-Just-Fine/a576ea60-aeb)

snowinapril
12-03-2009, 10:42 AM
Marrdro wrote:

snowinapril wrote:

NodakPaul wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

Ummm, you mean like this one?
http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=1025&fn=Brett&ln=Favre&team=16

For the record, Favre is right on pace with where he was at in 2007 and 2008. He is averaging about 32.5 attempts per game. His career average is 34.1 attempts per game.

Only 6 rushes this season. Less than one a game.

This says to me that he is getting time to throw. No need to run. It says good pass protection even though he is going to be sacked more than 30 times this season. It says we have a good scheme in the KAO. It says that he is going to have a few more pass attempts. It also would coincide with the low INT numbers, not being frazzled in a pocket that is breaking down. Also it helps that passer rating. Taking an extra sack here and there instead of turning the ball over by throwing a INT. Smart decisions!

Wow! It is all adding up now. He does not have a noodle arm and it helps that he doesn't have to take extra licks running the ball.
Well I wouldn't go that far. Don't make me pull up the quotes from El Syd or #4 again about the floater.... ;)

Like you never had a floater...... no big deal, just flush again.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 10:45 AM
Faith In Favre: Childress, Vikes Are Airing It Out (http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Faith-In-Favre-Childress-Vikes-Are-Airing-It-Out/1fb99bcd-becb)

tastywaves
12-03-2009, 10:52 AM
Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

The article you linked was only 4 sentences, one of them being:


Favre said his arm feels great and there are no limitations on him in practice

So what's your point, that they had some concerns on how his body (including his arm) would hold up throughout the season? I'm sure they did and I'm sure they are monitoring it like everyone else, but it doesn't appear that there are any issues with him wearing down. Look at his last 4 weeks of play for evidence.

The discussion as I remember it around the 'ol pitch count was referring more to the games themselves which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. However, limiting his throws in practice does make sense if indeed there are issues or soreness. Apparently there isn't any issue so he is not being limited in practice, but you still want to try and point something out that isn't there.

The dude has a 112 passer rating while leading the team to 10-1 record (yes, along with his incredible supporting cast). He shows no signs of wear and puts us in the best position in years to make a legitimate run at a SB.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 11:02 AM
tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

A excellent read my friend. Thanks.

The ole "Pitch Count" discussions comes up again. Some still say this isn't happening......

Childress is monitoring Favre's arm (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34223880/sports/player_news)

Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

I wish I had a stat page were I could look at things like "Passing Attempts" and "Rushing attempts" for players so that I could see/compare how many a player had thrown/kicked/ran at a certain point in every year.

The article you linked was only 4 sentences, one of them being:


Favre said his arm feels great and there are no limitations on him in practice

So what's your point, that they had some concerns on how his body (including his arm) would hold up throughout the season? I'm sure they did and I'm sure they are monitoring it like everyone else, but it doesn't appear that there are any issues with him wearing down. Look at his last 4 weeks of play for evidence.

The discussion as I remember it around the 'ol pitch count was referring more to the games themselves which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. However, limiting his throws in practice does make sense if indeed there are issues or soreness. Apparently there isn't any issue so he is not being limited in practice, but you still want to try and point something out that isn't there.

The dude has a 112 passer rating while leading the team to 10-1 record (yes, along with his incredible supporting cast). He shows no signs of wear and puts us in the best position in years to make a legitimate run at a SB.
LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

tastywaves
12-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 11:22 AM
tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.
Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

Just posting a few articles I thought were interesting that you guys would like (or dislike).

Zeus
12-03-2009, 11:32 AM
Marrdro wrote:

tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

That's probably just because you're wrong and refuse to admit it.

=Z=

jargomcfargo
12-03-2009, 11:38 AM
Zeus wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

That's probably just because you're wrong and refuse to admit it.

=Z=

Perhaps just a case of noodle brain!

Zeus
12-03-2009, 11:38 AM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

That's probably just because you're wrong and refuse to admit it.

=Z=

Perhaps just a case of noodle brain!

LOL!

LNBM!

=Z=

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 11:43 AM
Zeus wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

That's probably just because you're wrong and refuse to admit it.

=Z=
LOL, again with the whole "Right/Wrong" thing.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 11:44 AM
jargomcfargo wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

That's probably just because you're wrong and refuse to admit it.

=Z=

Perhaps just a case of noodle brain!
LOL, don't encourage him.

Zeus
12-03-2009, 11:45 AM
Marrdro wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

tastywaves wrote:

Marrdro wrote:

LOL, did you read the rest of my follow-on posts? B)

I tried your links but neither one worked. What did you want to say?

Try typing something like this "Looks like there is no sign of wear in ol' #4's arm after all". It's a big step, but I think your man enough to do it.

Try them again. Should work now. As to what did I want to say......I try not to comment on his Lordship and the Noodle. I usually don't have much good to say and what I do say usually isn't well recieved.

That's probably just because you're wrong and refuse to admit it.

LOL, again with the whole "Right/Wrong" thing.

Whatever, LNBM.

=Z=

Overlord
12-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
So, lets talk about this pitch count.

I have a serious problem with this particular quote from the original Gosselin article:
So Childress limited Favre’s throws in practice and games
Simply put, there has not been any suggestion or evidence that Favre's throws have been limited in games. Favre is #9 in the league in passing attempts at 358 (link (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_ATTEMPTS&d-447263-n=1)), despite playing on a team that has usually been ahead and has a great running back. He also has individual games of 46, 48, and 50 pass attempts.

There is nothing that would indicate that the coaches have called a running play when they would have chosen a pass in order to preserve Favre's arm.

Now during practice, I still put forth that coaches always monitor and to an extent limit the amount of throws that a QB makes (or kicks for a kicker).

NFL coaches are hyper detail oriented.

Remember that meathead Tice? When he went and interviewed for another head coaching position, he had already planned every practice for the year down to the minute.

If the meathead was this precise, I have a hard time believing other coaches don't have a plan for how much action players will see during a week of practice, or don't monitor their players' activities in practice.

Some QBs may throw it a little more or a little less during the week than others. There is a difference between a young QB with limited experience and an older veteran. This is true both in terms of what their body can do and the number of reps they need to prepare themselves.

But coaches understand you can't just throw it (or kick it) until your arm falls off everyday. They plan either a certain or approximate number of plays for each practice.

I also think the term 'pitch count' is both new and a poor choice. It suggests to me that there is a hard limit, e.g. 30 throws and no more. Notice that the article that says Childress is monitoring Favre's throws also says that there are no limitations. Monitor or schedule might be better terms, because I suspect that what is really happening is there is a plan that is flexible based on what needs extra work that day or that week.

Point being, coaches always plan on how much a player practices. There is no indication that the age of Favre or Longwell is limiting their ability to be prepared for the game, or the coaches ability to conduct team practices. But the age and popularity is affecting the media interest in it.

Marrdro
12-03-2009, 01:39 PM
Overlord wrote:


Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
So, lets talk about this pitch count.

I have a serious problem with this particular quote from the original Gosselin article:
So Childress limited Favre’s throws in practice and games
Simply put, there has not been any suggestion or evidence that Favre's throws have been limited in games. Favre is #9 in the league in passing attempts at 358 (link (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_ATTEMPTS&d-447263-n=1)), despite playing on a team that has usually been ahead and has a great running back. He also has individual games of 46, 48, and 50 pass attempts.

There is nothing that would indicate that the coaches have called a running play when they would have chosen a pass in order to preserve Favre's arm.

Now during practice, I still put forth that coaches always monitor and to an extent limit the amount of throws that a QB makes (or kicks for a kicker).

NFL coaches are hyper detail oriented.

Remember that meathead Tice? When he went and interviewed for another head coaching position, he had already planned every practice for the year down to the minute.

If the meathead was this precise, I have a hard time believing other coaches don't have a plan for how much action players will see during a week of practice, or don't monitor their players' activities in practice.

Some QBs may throw it a little more or a little less during the week than others. There is a difference between a young QB with limited experience and an older veteran. This is true both in terms of what their body can do and the number of reps they need to prepare themselves.

But coaches understand you can't just throw it (or kick it) until your arm falls off everyday. They plan either a certain or approximate number of plays for each practice.

I also think the term 'pitch count' is both new and a poor choice. It suggests to me that there is a hard limit, e.g. 30 throws and no more. Notice that the article that says Childress is monitoring Favre's throws also says that there are no limitations. Monitor or schedule might be better terms, because I suspect that what is really happening is there is a plan that is flexible based on what needs extra work that day or that week.

Point being, coaches always plan on how much a player practices. There is no indication that the age of Favre or Longwell is limiting their ability to be prepared for the game, or the coaches ability to conduct team practices. But the age and popularity is affecting the media interest in it.
I think you and I are on the same page on this one......


Makes me kindof wonder, if the noodle is on a pitch count and AD has less carries than he had last year at this point, but we are still high up there in TOP and Offensive Plays, someone has to be carrying the load.

Just didn't compute in my brain that they could be limiting his throws as well as keeping AD's reps down.

Using the link Nodak gave me I did some simple math.....


AD
2008 Week 12 242 Carries/1180 Yards
2009 Week 12 230 Carries/1084 Yards

#4
2008 Week 12 248/358 Completions/Attempts 2874 Yards
2009 Week 12 245/347 Completions/Attempts 2461 Yards

Not that significant of a delta IMHO to show that there is any such thing.

And yet, we see all kindsof articles about it (to include quotes). A quick use of Google with the words Favre Pitchcount will get you double digit pages of it.

Chilly puts Favre on a pitch count (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/23/chilly-puts-favre-on-a-pitch-count/)

Here's the pitch: Vikings adopt baseball philosophy for Favre's arm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/08/31/favre/index.html)

Gunslinger-...-...-to-game-manager- (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10115622/Gunslinger-...-...-to-game-manager-)

If it isn't true, then I must be right about the blather and drivel that spews forth from the media hacks. ;)