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ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 01:59 PM
YYYEEEESSSSS!!!!!
MAGIC!!!!!

I have to watch it on DVR after work.
Watched on CBS gamecenter.


I like the idea of coming out and throwing 2 weeks in a row.

I am happy we beat a quality team.

Two more tough ones before the bye week.

CCthebest
10-18-2009, 03:22 PM
We got lucky. Terrible D, great O.

SharperImage
10-18-2009, 03:22 PM
We shouldn't of won.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 03:23 PM
LOL!

I kept refreshing CBS at work.
I look up and we are losing.

The Browns game switched to the Vikes just in time to see the miss!

My heart stopped.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 03:24 PM
My pre cool-down rant

Likes
first two drives - great playcalling, great execution
Sidney Rice had a great game, 178 yards.
If only he had a bit of speed he would have turned one of those field goals into a TD, but i guess we can't have everything (wait, we used to then we traded him for Troy Williamson)
Favre.
Can't complain about 3 TD's

dislikes
everything else.

Fuck childress
Fuck Paymah
Fuck Tyrell Johnson
Fuck Naufahu Tahi
Fuck John Sullivan
Fuck Chad Greenway and his coverage
Fuck Tyrell Johnson and Tahi again
Fuck suit dummies;
as a matter of fact fuck legal aid.
Fuck Danny and Terry's Buffalo Chicken Wings.
Fuck all the old wood in here.
Fuck the moon,
fuck corn on the cob,
fuck squirrels.
Fuck me,
fuck you,
fuck everything!
and lastly
FUCK Bevell and his god awful shitty playcalling.


Seriosly Bevell, grow a pair of balls and stop playing to not lose.
Start trying to win games, not getting up by 14 then coasting.

BBQ Platypus
10-18-2009, 03:25 PM
It just goes to show you how important Winfield is to this defense.
When he's not in, we're horrible.

Crax
10-18-2009, 03:25 PM
We really got to convert when we get inside the 10.
Getting field goals after huge plays is garbage.

AngloVike
10-18-2009, 03:26 PM
I'll take the win but we were damn damn lucky today. D went into a 4th quarter meltdown that hopefully we won't see again this season.

El Vikingo
10-18-2009, 03:27 PM
God must be a viking,wohooooo!!!

CCthebest
10-18-2009, 03:28 PM
I have a huge rant but it will wait. We are 6-0 and beat a great offenseive team. Take the time to enjoy this and hope AW is ok. As well as AD.

keystonevike
10-18-2009, 03:29 PM
Defense has to seriously step it up. We almost lost a game we dominated from the start.

Purple_Jesus
10-18-2009, 03:32 PM
We dominated the game when Winfield was in.
When Winfield got hurt, we started to slip.
With a healthy roster, we would have destroyed them.

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 03:35 PM
horrible game.. we deserved to lose.. ravens fought with heart in the 4th quarter to take it from us. gotta give it to them.. they are a legit team..

as for Peterson, good game and i hope the ankle injury is no issue. just hope he gets better cuz we need him for Pitt. and also harvin, hope hes ok.

briannord
10-18-2009, 03:35 PM
Looks like they took advantage of JA's rush up the field every play.
Props to Shiancoe
Props to Sidney Rice
Ray Edwards looks like hes improving
Paymeh needs to not suck completely

Lots of starters taken down against a physical and cheap team.

I wish we had our bye next week.

Dekay
10-18-2009, 03:38 PM
Some say we shouldnt have won this... But why does the 4rth quarter slump count more than the first 3 quarters. Yes, at that exact moment when there were 2 seconds left we were underdogs and shouldnt have won... BUT We were up 17 points, so I still say we got what we deserved... a win!! Whihc we should have won!

We are way to vulnerable to teh pass... And now teams see they can run on us as well. If im not mistaken that was teh first (and second) run TD allowed by the Vikings this season.

Mr Anderson
10-18-2009, 03:38 PM
6 straight weeks where we haven't played a full 60 minutes. That is totally unacceptable.

We're a lion on paper and a pussycat on the field. We did not deserve to win today.

I don't know how much more I can take, I'm young, but my heart's gonna give out watching this team if I see this soft coverage anymore. The pass rush was incredible today, but he always had options to throw to.



The offense looks incredible this season, but the defense is driving me crazy. We know we have the talent to be a great defense, but we don't have a coach that can get his team fired up to go out and hit people in the mouth.

I don't care how much of a genius, guru, asshole the media thinks Childress is, I'll take a guy with 10% of his football knowledge that can get his team to play 60 minutes. We have no soul, no charisma, we lack pride. We have guys like Peterson, Allen, Favre, and Harvin that are tough non-stop motor guys that don't need to be coached up, they come out and play every week. Unfortunately, not everyone is like that. We need someone who's going to fire up the team, give them that killer instinct, get them to play with pride, and play every down like it's their last. Childress can't get our team to do that. Despite being 6-0 and putting up points like it's 1998, we're not as good as we could be and it's our coaching staff that's holding us back.

Fire Childress. Don't even think about promoting from within.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 03:38 PM
One thing I loved to see was Kleinsasser playing FB.
Anyone there is better than Tahi there.

SharperImage
10-18-2009, 03:39 PM
we lost 2 key players... Harvin and Winfield, we got lucky.

omfg. My heart is still beating.

God please let Winfield Harvin and AD be ok. That bye can't come quick enough.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 03:41 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


we lost 2 key players... Harvin and Winfield, we got lucky.

omfg. My heart is still beating.

God please let Winfield Harvin and AD be ok. That bye can't come quick enough.


AD looks to be alright, he came back in the end of the game.
I'm worried about Winfield and Harvin though, we NEED Winfield out there.

marstc09
10-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Positive:
Favre was on point. The noodle arm statement should be filtered to say MVP. what was that 61 yards? LMFAO!
Rice has just had his breakout game
OL is playing really well since the first couple games
Hey Marrdro how about that Hauschka guy? LOL

Negative:
Defensive collapse
Paymah blows, if Winfield is out Green Bay will destroy us

Purple Floyd
10-18-2009, 03:44 PM
We are 6-0 and there is no time to fire anyone at this point. We need to dance with the girl we brought to the dance.

Losing Winfield was a big key. After that pint we discovered why he is what he is and why Paymah isn't.

I don't trust Tyrell Johnson and wish Sharper was still here.

Harvin shouldn't have been on the filed if his shoulder was that questionable.

Hey, this was not a pretty win and we probably should have lost, but we have to many vets on this team and they are going to learn from this and come out fired up next week. I look for the defense to be pissed and to hit hard.


6-0

duvaldomo
10-18-2009, 03:44 PM
I thought our damn coaches learned by now and would be able to adjust from these 4th quarter
meltdowns.. we cant keep winning games we need consistency. well we are 6-0 and pretty much dominated a great football team for 3 quarters I swear I hope our coaches learn one day.

midgensa
10-18-2009, 03:44 PM
If Winfield is not ok we are in big trouble. We are WAY to thin in our secondary but make up for it by having playmakers/tacklers in Griffin and Winny. Without Winny we were exposed.
Our d-line was constantly being pushed past Flacco too.
I am not going to say "we didn't deserve to win" as if the first three quarters did not matter. But we definitely tried to lose.
We have to figure a few things out before we get to Pittsburgh next week.

idahovikefan7
10-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Yess definitely need to make some adjustments in our defensive backfield

But a win is a win and we are now 6-0

vikings never seize to give me a heart attack game in and game out lol

jkjuggalo
10-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Nice to get a little more luck and be 6-0, but there are a lot of concerns coming out of this game:

That was an epic choke job by our defense.
Once again, too many big plays given up, especially with a lead late in the game.

Hopefully we don't have to see Paymah on the field ever again after that horrible performance.

TJ had an awful second half as well.
WTF is wrong with our secondary?
Suddenly they are playing like the old Tice linebackers.

Harvin and AD both injured.
Glad AD got back on the field, but hopefully he isn't hampered by an ankle next week against the Steelers.

Sloppy tackling by basically everyone.
EJ played like he was missing arms at times, especially on the big Rice run.

Coasting with the lead for almost a quarter and a half was not cool.
We need to have the killer instinct, from our coaches down.

Positives:

AD played well and got over 100 for the first time in a while.

Favre was awesome.
He and Rice have developed some nice chemistry.

Speaking of Rice...it looks as though he is reaching his potential.
He had some great grabs and made big plays for us all game.

JJ is fun to watch as a return man.
He will break one for a TD if Reynaud doesn't take over again soon.

The crowd was good in the first half and on key plays.
I'd like to see them be a little more rowdy on a regular basis.

The pass protection was good against an aggressive Ravens D.
Ed Reed was nearly invisible.



Can't wait for the big game next week against the reigning champs.
Time to show the world we are for real and put a full game together in all phases of the game.

digital420
10-18-2009, 03:47 PM
i was almost depressed..

our D had a few key misque's and it costed us big!

give credit to flaco.. he's gonna be great! our D punished him all game!

for us.
that first qtr was great.. we slipped into lull game time until AP and Farve 2 rice picked it up.

30+ points avg per game is very solid! now.. we need the D to stop bending.. and never breakdown like that again


Great game to watch!! nerve racking at the end
but we're 6 - 0!!!!!!!!!!!
DiGiTaL

gregair13
10-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Seriously horseshoes up our butts.

Favre is amazing. Rice was good, really good actually. Harvin wasn't involved that much. Skank was pretty good too. Numbers don't lie on offense. And AP was good as well.

Allen was eating Oher for breakfast, but at half time and into the fourth quarter, the ravens figured out to just run at allen or screens to that side. That is the way to beat our defense. might be the only way. Attack allen rather than let him come at you.

ST coverage was average. Started out amazing. Great punts as well. Then there was a couple returns that were a little long setting up the ravens for drives and points.

molineviking
10-18-2009, 03:48 PM
It's hard to complain when were 6-0, But how much longer is our luck gonna last with our secondary not covering anyone?? Anyone seen M Williams salary? He's making like 8.5 million a year, (3 million more than Winfield, seriously???) he's got to be the most overpaid safety in the league, 21 tackles, 0 picks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 passes defended, I thought he was a stud with the Bengals. Really we should have lost with our collapse on defense in the last five minutes, still we're 6-0 gotta be happy with that.

marstc09
10-18-2009, 03:48 PM
CALM DOWN GUYS!

The Ravens are not a bad team. Yes we had a scary defensive collapse but we have Favre. The D can afford to have a bad game.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 03:50 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


Positive:
Favre was on point. The noodle arm statement should be filtered to say MVP. what was that 65 yards? LMFAO!
Rice has just had his breakout game
OL is playing really well since the first couple games
Hey Marrdro how about that Hauschka guy? LOL

Negative:
Defensive collapse
Paymah blows, if Winfield is out Green Bay will destroy us




LMAO!!

This game was a great game to exemplify the fact that we shit the bed on:
Letting Sharper go
Letting Birk Go

Bleedin Purple
10-18-2009, 03:50 PM
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!

I dont know if I was more excited for that win or the 49er win.'

I almost tore my house apart I was going crazy by myself.

Wow what a day to be a Vikings fan.

We let them back in it with some sloppy D play, but the Favre magic continues.

Rice is developing into one of the better receivers in this league like I thought.

Great plays on offense, good to see Peterson is ok, hope Harvin isnt too bad.

:cl ap:

I am one of the happiest guys on earth right now, im still shaking.

SHARE SOME LOVE MY VIKINGS BROTHERS, ONLY 6-0 TEAM IN THE LEAGUE BABY!

Purplemania
10-18-2009, 03:51 PM
QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 03:51 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


CALM DOWN GUYS!

The Ravens are not a bad team. Yes we had a scary defensive collapse but we have Favre. The D can afford to have a bad game.


no, but we should have won this game easilly, we started well, then eased back.
Once chilly realized that the Ravens were mounting a comeback, he started to get more aggressive, just in time ofr a major Defensive Collapse.
We did not deserve to win the way we played, fortunately the Steelers still haven't figured themselves out, getting into a game with the Browns.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 03:51 PM
"marstc09" wrote:


CALM DOWN GUYS!

The Ravens are not a bad team. Yes we had a scary defensive collapse but we have Favre. The D can afford to have a bad game.


+1

All 'bout the W's

PackSux!
10-18-2009, 03:55 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


We are 6-0 and there is no time to fire anyone at this point. We need to dance with the girl we brought to the dance.

Losing Winfield was a big key. After that pint we discovered why he is what he is and why Paymah isn't.

I don't trust Tyrell Johnson and wish Sharper was still here.

Harvin shouldn't have been on the filed if his shoulder was that questionable.

Hey, this was not a pretty win and we probably should have lost, but we have to many vets on this team and they are going to learn from this and come out fired up next week. I look for the defense to be pissed and to hit hard.


6-0


If Winfield dont go down then Tyrell's job is much easier.


If Winfield cant come back soon then we could be in trouble.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 03:55 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


CALM DOWN GUYS!

The Ravens are not a bad team. Yes we had a scary defensive collapse but we have Favre. The D can afford to have a bad game.


+1

All 'bout the W's


I'm glad we let Haushka go, we wouldn't have won without him in this game.

marstc09
10-18-2009, 03:56 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


CALM DOWN GUYS!

The Ravens are not a bad team. Yes we had a scary defensive collapse but we have Favre. The D can afford to have a bad game.


+1

All 'bout the W's


I'm glad we let Haushka go, we wouldn't have won without him in this game.


Remember when Marrdro was hyping that guy up?

AKViking
10-18-2009, 03:57 PM
This is a total team collapse. M_f_ I can't put enough bleeps in here!!!!

The safety play is non existent as I was worried about. Meow Williams should go back to the H.S. tackle dummie. My lil sister could tackle better(and has) than that bleeding crack. T. johnson???? Does he even know there is a game going on? He seems to be learning his tackling from Meow Williams.
Peymuh...wear do I start? Let me just say great D on that td ...if you still play pop warner, you douche!
Hey Favre how about hitting a wide open 6'4" guy in the endzone who was wearing purple before half? And that power pass into the ground in the third quarter? WTF!! Get your 40yr old head out of your 80yr old a**!
Coaching staff butt holed this too! Peterson had no business being in there on 3rd down before Longwell's kick. He was obviously limping and then you hand him the ball? Brilliant if you're trying to keep Baltimore in the game . If you really were trying to win Chester should have been in there those last three downs unless he was missing one of his legs.
I got some for you too AP. Peterson totally gave up a td by not following the fb and te blocks to the right on the goal line in the 4th. Way to blast it right into the waiting arms of the D!! That kind of play sure will earn you an MVP.
Lastly and not leastly...the fans stunk it up too. Oh yeah, they get some blame as well. Teams don't like playing in the dome because of the noise. Way to make the dome a home for the Raven's you wimpering whelps!! Get back in your kitty cave and shut up!
The few people who will escape my vat of burning disdain are JA and most of the D line (R. Edwards not included) and Winny


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










I'm PI^^^ed!!!!

And I don't even know if we lost or not, I had to vet here before I could watch the kickoff after Longwells fg.! >:l

Purplemania
10-18-2009, 03:57 PM
Sharper being here wouldn't make a lick of difference. Remember the years he spent here and how terrible our pass defense was then too? Yeah...And just because he's returned a TD for the Saints this year doesn't make him suddenly great again.

oaklandzoo24
10-18-2009, 03:58 PM
"Bleedin" wrote:


WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!

I dont know if I was more excited for that win or the 49er win.'

I almost tore my house apart I was going crazy by myself.

Wow what a day to be a Vikings fan.

We let them back in it with some sloppy D play, but the Favre magic continues.

Rice is developing into one of the better receivers in this league like I thought.

Great plays on offense, good to see Peterson is ok, hope Harvin isnt too bad.

:cl ap:

I am one of the happiest guys on earth right now, im still shaking.

SHARE SOME LOVE MY VIKINGS BROTHERS, ONLY 6-0 TEAM IN THE LEAGUE BABY!


I think I was much happier for the niners win.
This I was just happy we escaped.
Not thrilled with our performance in the second half and this just shows that we have plenty we can improve on.
A W is a W though.

KrackerJack
10-18-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm just happy we got the win.
The defense just needs to remember next time to play hard through all 60 minutes, no matter the score.

Man... That Flacco is a hell of a QB.

Freya
10-18-2009, 04:01 PM
"AngloVike" wrote:


I'll take the win but we were damn damn lucky today. D went into a 4th quarter meltdown that hopefully we won't see again this season.




Well said, Anglo! Talk about fugly implosions! ewww.
I officially ban 4th quarter meltdowns, henceforth.
:D

eelpout72
10-18-2009, 04:01 PM
Missed the last drive because CBS in NY decided to show the start of the Jets game instead.. maybe it was a good thing as I probably would have had a heart attack.

The only thing that seemed to slow down Flacco was when we stepped on his feet.
We should have stomped on them a few more times.

Here were the last three Raven's touchdown drives:
(7 plays-75 yards, 1:33)
(3 plays-73 yards, 0:49)
(1 play-33 yards, 0:07)
So when the fans booed when it was 3rd and 9 and we didnt try for a first down with 2:30 left but instead ran a counter run play, Dierdor asked "why would the fans boo?".
Maybe because Vikes fans would like to prevent the Ravens from having the ball with 2 minutes left.
Dierdorf is a m0ron.

Oh well, 6-0, lets just pretend the 4th quarter never happened and be happy with the win.

midgensa
10-18-2009, 04:01 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


CALM DOWN GUYS!

The Ravens are not a bad team. Yes we had a scary defensive collapse but we have Favre. The D can afford to have a bad game.


+1

All 'bout the W's


Yeah it is ... there is plenty of negative to take away ... but the bottom line ... there is plenty of negative to say and we STILL WON ... that is the sign of a very good team.

Purplemania
10-18-2009, 04:02 PM
"AKViking" wrote:


Lastly and not leastly...the fans stunk it up too. Oh yeah, they get some blame as well. Teams don't like playing in the dome because of the noise. Way to make the dome a home for the Raven's you wimpering whelps!! Get back in your kitty cave and shut up!
The few people who will escape my vat of burning disdain are JA and most of the D line (R. Edwards not included) and Winny


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










I'm PI^^^ed!!!!

And I don't even know if we lost or not, I had to vet here before I could watch the kickoff after Longwells fg.! >:l


Dude get off the fans. The dome is just as loud as it has been in pasts. I bet you were listening to CBS' stupid commentators and decided hmm..they're right this dome is so quiet. If anything, don't worry- the noise level has been great so far.

oaklandzoo24
10-18-2009, 04:06 PM
IDK if we are playing a probowl team though.
That game should have been over way before hauschka pulled a Gar Bear.

Bkfldviking
10-18-2009, 04:08 PM
"Freya" wrote:


"AngloVike" wrote:


I'll take the win but we were gol 'darnit gol 'darnit lucky today. D went into a 4th quarter meltdown that hopefully we won't see again this season.




Well said, Anglo! Talk about fugly implosions! ewww.
I officially ban 4th quarter meltdowns, henceforth.
:D


I agree, no more meltdowns.
That means of course Winny is no longer allowed to get hurt, two of those TDs never would have happened if Winny had been on the field.
Paymah was kinda lost out there and Flaco took advantage.

petev_sj
10-18-2009, 04:09 PM
Our D just ran out of gas at the end. Some major conditioning problems....and lack of depth on Defense.

The game was quite frankly not that close. Just gotta learn to finish the game, almost lost to the Packers this way also.

Oh well, I'm happy to be a championship team, you need both skill and luck.

oaklandzoo24
10-18-2009, 04:09 PM
On another note, with injuries in the secondary and the way its played at point this season, I think we should consider seein whose available because this could be our year and I could easily see an injury to either Griffen or Winfield costin us big time.

AKViking
10-18-2009, 04:09 PM
"Purplemania" wrote:


Sharper being here wouldn't make a lick of difference. Remember the years he spent here and how terrible our pass defense was then too? Yeah...And just because he's returned a TD for the Saints this year doesn't make him suddenly great again.


++++++++++1
Darn right! Sharper was doing just enough to collect his check and hoping for a fat retirement bonus last year. He suddenly had to re-commit himself and earn his pay after landing on a new team. But I bet he still tackles better than the two softies...I mean "safeties" on our team

VikingMike
10-18-2009, 04:15 PM
My heart just started beating again...so, so lucky to win this one. I'll take it, but man we have to start playing better when we have a big lead. And I mean from both sides. 3 times in the 2nd half we settled for a FG when we should have punched it over. We let them back in the game. On Rice's TD run, NO ONE put a hand on him. Johnson was waving at him. Where is the tackling? Where is the fire??? Paymah sucks at coverage and tackling. God I hope Winny is OK.

The pressure is good by the D-line, but we have no gap control...and once a runner got beyond the line, it was daylight. Can't believe I am so pissed and we're 6-0! But today we had Lady Luck on our side.

Props to the offense...but when we're up 14-0, why the hell do we go into a shell? Nothing wrong with pouring it on in the 1st half instead of playing NOT TO LOSE. Keep doing that and we are going to get bitten on our arses. Hope Harvin's OK too.

echizen20
10-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Wow i just finished watching the game and although we got the win, I can't believe our defense gave up like what 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter.
I can't even describe how I feel right now, relief because we got the win (which we dominated 3/4 of the game) and sorely heartaching because we could of and should of won the game by double digits.
I have to say, Brett Favre saved the day again with that long completion to Rice on their last drive.
The Ravens had everything going their way with that last touchdown and all they needed was to stop brett favre and they would of won.
Thank god Favre got us in field goal range and Longwell with the winning kick.
I think god also answered my prayers when the ravens missed that final field goal because i was literally on my knees praying for a miss field, praying that we need this win because our offense truly deserved this win.
Ok whew, heres how i rate todays plays.

Pass offense A
Favre was 21 of 29 and had 278 yards passing with 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions.
He played excellent, moved the chains, didnt turn the ball over, took a few sacks rather than forcing it, and saved our asses with that last drive.

Rushing offense B+
Well although AD had 22 rush attempts for 143 yards(6.5 average) I think the ravens did a rather good job of stopping him and didnt really allow him to get too much big run plays, i think they only gave 2 big runs.
But overall solid running and more importantly no turnovers.

Pass Defense C- (A for 3 quarters, and F- in the 4th quarter)
Dammit why...if not for favre and longwell, we lose this game.
I just hated that one coverage where one of our defenders (forgot who or which number) had pretty good one on one coverage on that one TD play, but he had his back turned and it looked like there was no effort in him trying to make a play, it was like he was hoping the reciever was gonna drop that catch or hope that the ball was going to be over/underthrown.
Also I did not realize Winfield was hurt during the 2nd quarter and left the game.
I thought he was in the whole time but guess he wasnt, i dont want to use that as an excuse for our poor 2nd half secondary play but i think were in trouble if winfield's injury is serious.

Rush Defense. B (A+ for about all through game until the disasterious collapse in the 4th quarter giving up that 30+ yd rush td) I think we held them under 100 yards rushing, had great pressure got some sacks and hits.


Special teams. B+
We didnt score any TD on any punt or kick off returns but we did an excellent job with punt kicks and did an ok job with kickoffs.
But the Special teams player of the game has to go to Ryan Longwell, 4/4 in field goals and made that clutch kick to put us back in the lead.
If he had missed any of those field goals and the game played as it is, we may of lost the game (although if he had miss any fg prior to the final one i think there was a good chance favre would of score another TD for us during that last drive)

At the end of the day, I am happy we are 6-0, i truly believe we are a top 3 team with this win (even with that meltdown) and I truly believe favre can take us to the promised land if he doesnt get injured.
I am however a bit worried and concerned about the seriousness of winfield's and harvins injuries.
Hopefully nothing season ending or longer than 3-4 weeks.
And I think this is a lesson to be learned for our defense giving up those easy TDs (I think any other NFL team out there would of made those TDs with how we played in that final quarter)
So i hope we improve on that and prepare for the road game at Steelers.

VikingMike
10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
"echizen20" wrote:


Wow i just finished watching the game and although we got the win, I can't believe our defense gave up like what 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter.
I can't even describe how I feel right now, relief because we got the win (which we dominated 3/4 of the game) and sorely heartaching because we could of and should of won the game by double digits.
I have to say, Brett Favre saved the day again with that long completion to Rice on their last drive.
The Ravens had everything going their way with that last touchdown and all they needed was to stop brett favre and they would of won.
Thank god Favre got us in field goal range and Longwell with the winning kick.
I think god also answered my prayers when the ravens missed that final field goal because i was literally on my knees praying for a miss field, praying that we need this win because our offense truly deserved this win.
Ok whew, heres how i rate todays plays.

Pass offense A
Favre was 21 of 29 and had 278 yards passing with 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions.
He played excellent, moved the chains, didnt turn the ball over, took a few sacks rather than forcing it, and saved our asses with that last drive.

Rushing offense B+
Well although AD had 22 rush attempts for 143 yards(6.5 average) I think the ravens did a rather good job of stopping him and didnt really allow him to get too much big run plays, i think they only gave 2 big runs.
But overall solid running and more importantly no turnovers.

Pass Defense C- (A for 3 quarters, and F- in the 4th quarter)
Dammit why...if not for favre and longwell, we lose this game.
I just hated that one coverage where one of our defenders (forgot who or which number) had pretty good one on one coverage on that one TD play, but he had his back turned and it looked like there was no effort in him trying to make a play, it was like he was hoping the reciever was gonna drop that catch or hope that the ball was going to be over/underthrown.
Also I did not realize Winfield was hurt during the 2nd quarter and left the game.
I thought he was in the whole time but guess he wasnt, i dont want to use that as an excuse for our poor 2nd half secondary play but i think were in trouble if winfield's injury is serious.

Rush Defense. B (A+ for about all through game until the disasterious collapse in the 4th quarter giving up that 30+ yd rush td) I think we held them under 100 yards rushing, had great pressure got some sacks and hits.


Special teams. B+
We didnt score any TD on any punt or kick off returns but we did an excellent job with punt kicks and did an ok job with kickoffs.
But the Special teams player of the game has to go to Ryan Longwell, 4/4 in field goals and made that clutch kick to put us back in the lead.
If he had missed any of those field goals and the game played as it is, we may of lost the game (although if he had miss any fg prior to the final one i think there was a good chance favre would of score another TD for us during that last drive)

At the end of the day, I am happy we are 6-0, i truly believe we are a top 3 team with this win (even with that meltdown) and I truly believe favre can take us to the promised land if he doesnt get injured.
I am however a bit worried and concerned about the seriousness of winfield's and harvins injuries.
Hopefully nothing season ending or longer than 3-4 weeks.
And I think this is a lesson to be learned for our defense giving up those easy TDs (I think any other NFL team out there would of made those TDs with how we played in that final quarter)
So i hope we improve on that and prepare for the road game at Steelers.




Good post, keep em coming. It was Paymah in that coverage...man he stunk it up today.

AKViking
10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
"Purplemania" wrote:


"AKViking" wrote:


Lastly and not leastly...the fans stunk it up too. Oh yeah, they get some blame as well. Teams don't like playing in the dome because of the noise. Way to make the dome a home for the Raven's you wimpering whelps!! Get back in your kitty cave and shut up!
The few people who will escape my vat of burning disdain are JA and most of the D line (R. Edwards not included) and Winny


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










I'm PI^^^ed!!!!

And I don't even know if we lost or not, I had to vet here before I could watch the kickoff after Longwells fg.! >:l


Dude get off the fans. The dome is just as loud as it has been in pasts. I bet you were listening to CBS' stupid commentators and decided hmm..they're right this dome is so quiet. If anything, don't worry- the noise level has been great so far.


Actually I noticed the lack of volume before they mentioned it. Sure there was noise, but volume was lacking... VOLUME. And just because they made noise every now and then after the first few drives doesn't mean the noise level was "great" by any means. So thanks for the advise, but I'll stick by my own observation. I expect more out of the fans. Say maybe the type of noise and enthusiasm J.Allen plays with, especially when the team needs it.

SharperImage
10-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Winfield, PLEASE BE OK! When is that bye? it seems so far away.

VikingMike
10-18-2009, 04:27 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:


Winfield, PLEASE BE OK! When is that bye? it seems so far away.



Damn, we sure could use that bye next week...

gabe_menendez
10-18-2009, 04:28 PM
where did winfield get hurt? I didn;t even see it

Freakout
10-18-2009, 04:30 PM
Injuries aside, Tyrell Johnson will end up hurting this team in the playoffs.
Sharper lost a step sure but Tyrell takes some of the worst angles which takes himself right out of plays.

Paymah is AW's backup?
What in the hell happened to Asher Allen who almost won the nickle job during the preseason with his good play?
Instead you put junk like Paymah on the field.

PurplePeopleEaters69
10-18-2009, 04:31 PM
Happy as hell we are 6-0 but we definitely have some things to work on this week.

-4th quarter defense has been pretty bad all year and today it was downright atrocious.
Up 17 with 6 and a half minutes left, the game should never have comedown to a last second FG attempt.
Luckily Baltimore missed it.


-Karl Paymah should be cut.
He was god awful today, didn't play well at the end of the Rams game either.
Hopefully Winfield can play next week because Paymah was the definition of atrocious today.

-Tyrell Johnson also played like pooh.
He got lucky in the first quarter when Flacco overthrew Mason.
Tyrell got burned bad it would have been an easy 85 yard TD had Mason not held up for a second and came up just short of making the catch.
Took a couple bad angles on other plays, and looked like he didnt even want to tackle Ray Rice on the 34 yard TD run.

-Defense was great in the first quarter and second quarter up until the final drive.
Too many offsides, but at least those can be cleaned up easy, we knew the snap count and were just a little too aggressive and quick off the ball.

-Hopefully Percy is okay.
Will suck if he injured his shoulder worse.
Anyone hear any reports about it yet?

-Playcalling was good most of the day, but why the hell didn't we go for the TD at the end.
I understand not wanting to turn the ball over, but Favre had been carving up the Ravens D through the air all day.
We got way to conservative in running three times and settling for the FG.
It would be one thing if our defense was playing well, but in the second half we couldn't stop them.
Luckily this didnt end up mattering.

-After the FG, why did we squib kick it!?
Gave Baltimore a shorter field to work with only needing a FG.
I didn't like that call.

-Still not happy we had to kick two or three FGs after getting inside the 15 yard line.

Some positives...

-Offense kicked jiggly butt almost all day.
Seemed like we could move the ball at will against the Ravens D.
Only times we didnt move the ball well was when we got really conservative.

-Sid Rice was a beast today.
Shank made some nice catches.
I dont think we had any dropped balls either.

-Zero turnovers.

-Favre played great again.
I'm loving the production we are getting out of the QB position.

-AD was his normal beastly self.
Broke a couple long runs.
Nice to see him back over the 100 yard mark for the game.

-We won!.
6-0 is awesome.

Sorry for the long post.
SKOL.

Bars92
10-18-2009, 04:34 PM
The offense is explosive. But there are some serious concerns on defense. Having Berrian, Rice and Harvin, I would consider giving up Berrian for a quality DB that can cover or make tackles. Vikes are missing Sharper I think.. :-

AKViking
10-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Ok,Ok...breath...

I am verrrry happy we are 6-0.
But I'm the maddest happy a person could possibly be. I saw the typical Viking collapse of old rearing it's ugly head. Could we please just leave that in the past? Pleeease!!
I think the D really missed Winny, especially his hard hitting and matter-of-fact tackling.

marshallvike
10-18-2009, 04:36 PM
"echizen20" wrote:


Wow i just finished watching the game and although we got the win, I can't believe our defense gave up like what 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter.
I can't even describe how I feel right now, relief because we got the win (which we dominated 3/4 of the game) and sorely heartaching because we could of and should of won the game by double digits.
I have to say, Brett Favre saved the day again with that long completion to Rice on their last drive.
The Ravens had everything going their way with that last touchdown and all they needed was to stop brett favre and they would of won.
Thank god Favre got us in field goal range and Longwell with the winning kick.
I think god also answered my prayers when the ravens missed that final field goal because i was literally on my knees praying for a miss field, praying that we need this win because our offense truly deserved this win.
Ok whew, heres how i rate todays plays.

Pass offense A
Favre was 21 of 29 and had 278 yards passing with 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions.
He played excellent, moved the chains, didnt turn the ball over, took a few sacks rather than forcing it, and saved our dimply buttocks with that last drive.

Rushing offense B+
Well although AD had 22 rush attempts for 143 yards(6.5 average) I think the ravens did a rather good job of stopping him and didnt really allow him to get too much big run plays, i think they only gave 2 big runs.
But overall solid running and more importantly no turnovers.

Pass Defense C- (A for 3 quarters, and F- in the 4th quarter)
Dammit why...if not for favre and longwell, we lose this game.
I just hated that one coverage where one of our defenders (forgot who or which number) had pretty good one on one coverage on that one TD play, but he had his back turned and it looked like there was no effort in him trying to make a play, it was like he was hoping the reciever was gonna drop that catch or hope that the ball was going to be over/underthrown.
Also I did not realize Winfield was hurt during the 2nd quarter and left the game.
I thought he was in the whole time but guess he wasnt, i dont want to use that as an excuse for our poor 2nd half secondary play but i think were in trouble if winfield's injury is serious.

Rush Defense. B (A+ for about all through game until the disasterious collapse in the 4th quarter giving up that 30+ yd rush td) I think we held them under 100 yards rushing, had great pressure got some sacks and hits.


Special teams. B+
We didnt score any TD on any punt or kick off returns but we did an excellent job with punt kicks and did an ok job with kickoffs.
But the Special teams player of the game has to go to Ryan Longwell, 4/4 in field goals and made that clutch kick to put us back in the lead.
If he had missed any of those field goals and the game played as it is, we may of lost the game (although if he had miss any fg prior to the final one i think there was a good chance favre would of score another TD for us during that last drive)

At the end of the day, I am happy we are 6-0, i truly believe we are a top 3 team with this win (even with that meltdown) and I truly believe favre can take us to the promised land if he doesnt get injured.
I am however a bit worried and concerned about the seriousness of winfield's and harvins injuries.
Hopefully nothing season ending or longer than 3-4 weeks.
And I think this is a lesson to be learned for our defense giving up those easy TDs (I think any other NFL team out there would of made those TDs with how we played in that final quarter)
So i hope we improve on that and prepare for the road game at Steelers.



That's funny, because I thought the offense was what got us in that predicament in the first place.
They did indeed score early, but there were way too many 3 and outs after tthat keeping the d on the field , tiring them out. Followed by all the field goals in the red zone when they should have easily scored td's. I do not blame the players for this. it wasn't like there were dropped passes or half assed runs, they just knew we were running it then and stopped us, forcing the field goals.

Namius
10-18-2009, 04:36 PM
Not at all redeeming the 4th quarter performance, but I do like that even up 17 to being down, we didn't just play a gentle prevent defense.
We were occasionally rushing 4-6 players throughout the 4th quarter and I liked that.
So just a very small positive amidst the vast sea of contempt here... and don't forget, this is just one game and one collapse, I'm confident that it won't happen again.

AKViking
10-18-2009, 04:45 PM
"Namius" wrote:


Not at all redeeming the 4th quarter performance, but I do like that even up 17 to being down, we didn't just play a gentle prevent defense.
We were occasionally rushing 4-6 players throughout the 4th quarter and I liked that.
So just a very small positive amidst the vast sea of contempt here... and don't forget, this is just one game and one collapse, I'm confident that it won't happen again.


Yes, it's nice to see that we can come back after a collapse. And I'm in favor of staying aggressive on D, but our blitzs certainly seem to be ineffective. Not sure why, but I suspect the sub par safety play has a lot to do with it.

echizen20
10-18-2009, 04:53 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters69" wrote:


Happy as hell we are 6-0 but we definitely have some things to work on this week.

-4th quarter defense has been pretty bad all year and today it was downright atrocious.
Up 17 with 6 and a half minutes left, the game should never have comedown to a last second FG attempt.
Luckily Baltimore missed it.


-Karl Paymah should be cut.
He was god awful today, didn't play well at the end of the Rams game either.
Hopefully Winfield can play next week because Paymah was the definition of atrocious today.

-Tyrell Johnson also played like pooh.
He got lucky in the first quarter when Flacco overthrew Mason.
Tyrell got burned bad it would have been an easy 85 yard TD had Mason not held up for a second and came up just short of making the catch.
Took a couple bad angles on other plays, and looked like he didnt even want to tackle Ray Rice on the 34 yard TD run.

-Defense was great in the first quarter and second quarter up until the final drive.
Too many offsides, but at least those can be cleaned up easy, we knew the snap count and were just a little too aggressive and quick off the ball.

-Hopefully Percy is okay.
Will suck if he injured his shoulder worse.
Anyone hear any reports about it yet?

-Playcalling was good most of the day, but why the hell didn't we go for the TD at the end.
I understand not wanting to turn the ball over, but Favre had been carving up the Ravens D through the air all day.
We got way to conservative in running three times and settling for the FG.
It would be one thing if our defense was playing well, but in the second half we couldn't stop them.
Luckily this didnt end up mattering.

-After the FG, why did we squib kick it!?
Gave Baltimore a shorter field to work with only needing a FG.
I didn't like that call.

-Still not happy we had to kick two or three FGs after getting inside the 15 yard line.

Some positives...

-Offense kicked jiggly butt almost all day.
Seemed like we could move the ball at will against the Ravens D.
Only times we didnt move the ball well was when we got really conservative.

-Sid Rice was a beast today.
Shank made some nice catches.
I dont think we had any dropped balls either.

-Zero turnovers.

-Favre played great again.
I'm loving the production we are getting out of the QB position.

-AD was his normal beastly self.
Broke a couple long runs.
Nice to see him back over the 100 yard mark for the game.

-We won!.
6-0 is awesome.

Sorry for the long post.
SKOL.


I actually think that was good playcalling at the end there because if favre had not been able to make the first down or get a TD then the ravens would of gotten the ball back with the time a bit over the 2:00 mark.
That would of given them 1 or 2 more plays than what the got without the 2 minute warning, and apparently with that extra 1 or 2 play, they could of got probably 5-6 yards or even more.
Instead of it being a 44 yard FG attempt, it may of been a 35 yard attempt which should be almost an automatic or at least put a lot less pressure on the kicker to make the FG.
Would I of liked them to go for the TD in that final drive? Sure I would, a TD in that case (with a successful 2 point conversion) would of forced the Ravens to score a TD to tie the game instead of going for the FG.
However had they try to pass and couldnt get the TD or 1st down, the ravens would of gotten the ball back with plenty of time over the 2:00 mark.
And if they came back and won it in that situation, then many much more people will complain why we just didnt run it and chew up the clock.

VikingMike
10-18-2009, 04:55 PM
Vikings CB Winfield leaves game with apparent right foot injury (http://vyous.com/sports/nfl/vikings/2009/10/18/vikings-cb-winfield-leaves-game-with-apparent-right-foot-injury)

Associated Press




MINNEAPOLIS -- Minnesota Vikings cornerback Antoine Winfield left Sunday's game against the Baltimore Ravens with an apparent injury to his right foot.

Winfield was hurt on Baltimore's first series of the second quarter and left the bench area to be examined. Karl Paymah took Winfield's place on the next possession and gave up a 28-yard reception to the Ravens' Derrick Mason.

Later in the second quarter, Winfield gingerly walked back to the sideline without his helmet. At the beginning of the third quarter, he was wearing a hat on the sideline.


Sure hope he's OK soon.

oaklandzoo24
10-18-2009, 04:59 PM
Maybe we should look at signing Chris MCallister

Eldin
10-18-2009, 05:02 PM
Today's game against Baltimore was similar to the San Fransisco game in that the Vikings are fully deserving of the win while still being extremely lucky to have gotten it.

As was the case against San Fransisco, the Vikings were in control on both sides of the ball for a majority of the game, but nearly found a way to lose anyway.
That they pulled it out in both games tempts me to suggest this may indeed be a special year for them.


The Vikings possessed a seemingly commanding 27 - 10 lead early in the fourth quarter, but the next ten minutes proved disastrous.
The crowd, which was uncharacteristically tame all day, fell silent as they watched their defense utterly collapse.
Scary injuries to Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin only hastened the deflating of the Metrodome.
Due to shell-shocked and confused defense and anemic red-zone offense, the Vikings inexplicably found themselves trailing 31-30 with about three minutes to play.


That's when Favre conjured up a little more magic, hitting emerging star Sidney Rice on a bomb that set up a go-ahead Ryan Longwell FG.

But the Ravens quickly and easily drove the ball down on a helpless Vikings' defense.
Favre watched on the sideline with palpable--and understandable--contempt, as the Ravens set up their kicker with a highly make-able 44 yard game-winning FG attempt (as an aside, I was astonished that Brad Childress opted not to use the team's two remaining timeouts to preserve clock and potentially give Favre one more chance).
But to my shock and jubilation, the kicker missed wide left and the Vikings escaped with the win, going to 6-0 for the first time since 2003.
Let's hope this year has a happier ending!

Given that we got the win, I'm actually not that distraught over the team's colossal near-collapse.
The Ravens are a great team, but an objective observer would surely agree the Vikings were the better team.
It's all too easy to zone in on the one big play (the missed FG) or even quarter, and disregard the bigger picture.
It may seem paradoxical to claim both that the Vikings deserved to win and were lucky to win, but that is exactly what happened.


Clearly, the loss of Antione Winfield made this game much closer than it should have been; Paymah (who is this guy?) was eaten alive.
While I laud Childress's off-the-field team building ability (give the man credit--he's taken a mediocre-at-best team and turned them into a near juggernaut in three years), I continue to question his in-game decision making and leadership.
When the wheels fall of the wagon the way they did in this game, you really have to chalk some of it up to bad coaching.





I am optimistic and excited about where our team will go in the following weeks.
Personnel-wise, we are certainly one of the three or four most talented teams in the league.
But it is still a work in progress.
They've shown flashes of brilliance.
Now they need to work on consistency and discipline.
But I like where they're headed!

Skol Vikings!

erik5032
10-18-2009, 05:09 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:


I have a huge rant but it will wait. We are 6-0 and beat a great offenseive team. Take the time to enjoy this and hope AW is ok. As well as AD.


And Percy!

echizen20
10-18-2009, 05:14 PM
I'd also like to say that I'm glad today's game ended out the way it did.
We got lucky there with that missed field goal and stole the victory even though we dominated for most of the game.
But the point is, I really hope the players and coaches realize that anything can happen and whether it was bad play calling or lack of motivation/effort there at the end by the defense, that we have to be ready for anything and not get too loose or soft.
It has been shown in previous games that we had given up some yards and easy TDs at the end of games but I think this one really really showed us that hey, we have to really step it up and shut teams down for good as it gets towards the end.
It's very fortunate that the game ended up with a W on our side and instead of feeling depressed and worried about how we failed defensively at the end there, we should use that as motivation and a reminder that we have to improve after every game and never get too overconfident regardless of how we win games.
I really hope this game will be the game that the vikings will look back and say hey...we really almost blew it there...this shall not and will not ever happen again.
So I feel this game will be a great learning experience for the Vikings and never take any lead or opponents for granted.
Thats all i have to say.
Wait...actually i do have one more thing to say.
Favre is god.;)

Johnson14
10-18-2009, 05:18 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters69" wrote:




-Karl Paymah should be cut.
He was god awful today, didn't play well at the end of the Rams game either.
Hopefully Winfield can play next week because Paymah was the definition of atrocious today.




Agree re Paymah, he stank the place out.

Soooo many things to work on with the secondary after this 'performance', but when the dust has settled we are still 6-0
:)

Please god AW, PH and AD all recover for next weeks game.

molineviking
10-18-2009, 05:18 PM
I have to disagree with the Sharper bashing, Last year was his four season high with us for tackles, Of course he had less Int's, teams weren't throwing his direction as much, his leadership and experience can't be judged just on stats, He's 35 and has to be on his last legs for a top safety, There is no way we are better without him, In my opinion M. Williams is a bust, He should be arrested for theft-cashing his payroll check every week, (making 3 mill more than Winfield??) Can you imagine if we had a top S like Polamalu, or Reed?? I wish my all time favorite Viking J Browner could find a time machine.

oaklandzoo24
10-18-2009, 05:22 PM
Im thinking we should sign MCallister or talk to Sheldon Brown and see if he is still unhappy in Philly.
We all know Chilly has the connections.

kramer9guy
10-18-2009, 05:40 PM
The game can be summed up in two words...Paymah sucks!!!

marshallvike
10-18-2009, 05:43 PM
"molineviking" wrote:



I have to disagree with the Sharper bashing, Last year was his four season high with us for tackles, Of course he had less Int's, teams weren't throwing his direction as much, his leadership and experience can't be judged just on stats, He's 35 and has to be on his last legs for a top safety, There is no way we are better without him, In my opinion M. Williams is a bust, He should be arrested for theft-cashing his payroll check every week, (making 3 mill more than Winfield??) Can you imagine if we had a top S like Polamalu, or Reed?? I wish my all time favorite Viking J Browner could find a time machine.


Joey......The king!

ConnecticutViking
10-18-2009, 05:54 PM
"Johnson14" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters69" wrote:




-Karl Paymah should be cut.
He was god awful today, didn't play well at the end of the Rams game either.
Hopefully Winfield can play next week because Paymah was the definition of atrocious today.




Agree re Paymah, he stank the place out.

Soooo many things to work on with the secondary after this 'performance', but when the dust has settled we are still 6-0
:)

Please god AW, PH and AD all recover for next weeks game.

I agree, the D is only as good as the weakest link and the Ravens exploited it.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 06:00 PM
"ConnecticutViking" wrote:


"Johnson14" wrote:


"PurplePeopleEaters69" wrote:




-Karl Paymah should be cut.
He was god awful today, didn't play well at the end of the Rams game either.
Hopefully Winfield can play next week because Paymah was the definition of atrocious today.




Agree re Paymah, he stank the place out.

Soooo many things to work on with the secondary after this 'performance', but when the dust has settled we are still 6-0
:)

Please god AW, PH and AD all recover for next weeks game.

I agree, the D is only as good as the weakest link and the Ravens exploited it.


I'm still wondering why he was covering Crayton in man coverage.

SharperImage
10-18-2009, 06:05 PM
Grade I injuries do well with strapping and usually only require a few days of rest. Grade II injuries should adhere to the “RICE” principles above and usually require one to two weeks of missed practices and games. Grade III injuries are more severe injuries and the healing process may take four to six weeks of recovery time from physical activities. Sometimes, Grade III turf toe injuries do not heal appropriately with conservative care and result in chronic pain and instability. Surgical reconstruction of the joint capsule, ligaments and articular cartilage may be necessary to restore proper alignment and function in these extreme cases.


Lets pray for Grade I

Yfz01
10-18-2009, 06:16 PM
"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...


D line gets an F??
Are you F'ing kidding me?
They played lights out.
Pressured Flacco all day, dominated against the run for a majority of the game.

Btw - Tyrell Johnson had one bad play, he was our second best D-back today.
I would put Sapp at first but even he gave up a TD.
Nobody played good at all but I was somewhat impressed by Tyrell Johnson (mostly just his speed and him actually having the ability to make tackles.)

vikinggreg
10-18-2009, 06:19 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...


D line gets an F??
Are you F'ing kidding me?
They played lights out.
Pressured Flacco all day, dominated against the run for a majority of the game.

Btw - Tyrell Johnson had one bad play, he was our second best D-back today.
I would put Sapp at first but even he gave up a TD.
Nobody played good at all but I was somewhat impressed by Tyrell Johnson (mostly just his speed)


Yeah Flacco was getting banged around, Kevin Williams cause a fumble, Ravens are a very good run team and the line gave them nip in the middle.

Losing Winfeild and Sapp did hurt though

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 06:19 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...


D line gets an F??
Are you F'ing kidding me?
They played lights out.
Pressured Flacco all day, dominated against the run for a majority of the game.

Btw - Tyrell Johnson had one bad play, he was our second best D-back today.
I would put Sapp at first but even he gave up a TD.
Nobody played good at all but I was somewhat impressed by Tyrell Johnson (mostly just his speed and him actually having the ability to make tackles.)


I was somewhat impressed by the fact he made all the tackles... wait, no he missed them.
nevermind I was thinking of someone else.

RK.
10-18-2009, 06:28 PM
We won we won we won we won we won.
http://www.darkharbor.com/snoopydance/assets/images/01snooopy.gif

The Ravens have struggled a bit lately but keep in mind they are still a really good team.
So are we
;D

I hope we figure out why the center of the field 30 yds from the line of scrimmage is wide open before we face the Steelers next week.
On the positive side we are not giving up like we have in past years.
I have to credit Favre for that.
He puts us in a position to win every week.


6/0 baby 6/0
yeah
;D

halfgiz
10-18-2009, 06:30 PM
It was a win. Not a pretty one.
Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and improve

The X packers MVPS
Farve,Longwell

Yfz01
10-18-2009, 06:32 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...


D line gets an F??
Are you F'ing kidding me?
They played lights out.
Pressured Flacco all day, dominated against the run for a majority of the game.

Btw - Tyrell Johnson had one bad play, he was our second best D-back today.
I would put Sapp at first but even he gave up a TD.
Nobody played good at all but I was somewhat impressed by Tyrell Johnson (mostly just his speed and him actually having the ability to make tackles.)


I was somewhat impressed by the fact he made all the tackles... wait, no he missed them.
nevermind I was thinking of someone else.


He was the only d back that could actually tackle Rice.
Remember the play where Sapp, Paymah, and Madieu Williams all missed tackles and Tyrell Johnson chased Rice down from across the field?


The only really bad play I can recall is when he couldn't make it to the gap and tackle Ray Rice.
That's not an easy play to make, but he should have made it.
I'm not saying he played great (he didn't) but he played better then Madieu Williams, Cedric Griffin, or Pahymah

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 06:36 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Yfz01" wrote:


"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...


D line gets an F??
Are you F'ing kidding me?
They played lights out.
Pressured Flacco all day, dominated against the run for a majority of the game.

Btw - Tyrell Johnson had one bad play, he was our second best D-back today.
I would put Sapp at first but even he gave up a TD.
Nobody played good at all but I was somewhat impressed by Tyrell Johnson (mostly just his speed and him actually having the ability to make tackles.)


I was somewhat impressed by the fact he made all the tackles... wait, no he missed them.
nevermind I was thinking of someone else.


He was the only d back that could actually tackle Rice.
Remember the play where Sapp, Paymah, and Madieu Williams all missed tackles and Tyrell Johnson chased Rice down from across the field?


The only really bad play I can recall is when he couldn't make it to the gap and tackle Ray Rice.
That's not an easy play to make, but he should have made it.
I'm not saying he played great (he didn't) but he played better then Madieu Williams, Cedric Griffin, or Pahymah


I saw him bounce off a few guys.
however, your comparison is like winning the special olympics.
Everyone played so bad, being the best doesn't make you good.

SharperImage
10-18-2009, 06:40 PM
Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin declined to comment as he left the Metrodome on Sunday but the fact the rookie had his left arm in a sling said plenty. Harvin re-injured his left shoulder in the fourth quarter on a kickoff return and it remains to be seen if he can play next Sunday in Pittsburgh.

“He’s a tough guy," coach Brad Childress said. "They x-rayed it and there is nothing extra in there. [It's] just uncomfortable in there.”

Harvin hurt the shoulder on a second-quarter reception against St. Louis last week but was able to continue. He did not practice Wednesday but did some work on Thursday and Friday and was cleared to play on Sunday. He had been listed as questionable.

Meanwhile, the Vikings pass defense suffered a huge blow when cornerback Antoine Winfield was lost after injuring the top of his right foot. Winfield said it is not a turf toe injury. He missed the entire second half and the Ravens had great success going at his replacement Karl Paymah.

Childress said Winfield wanted to return to the game in the second half but was told no

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/64706092.html


GREAT NEWS!!!! Sit Harvin this week so he can be good for greenbay, but we need winfield on Hines Ward!

PurplePeopleEaters69
10-18-2009, 06:42 PM
"echizen20" wrote:


I actually think that was good playcalling at the end there because if favre had not been able to make the first down or get a TD then the ravens would of gotten the ball back with the time a bit over the 2:00 mark.
That would of given them 1 or 2 more plays than what the got without the 2 minute warning, and apparently with that extra 1 or 2 play, they could of got probably 5-6 yards or even more.
Instead of it being a 44 yard FG attempt, it may of been a 35 yard attempt which should be almost an automatic or at least put a lot less pressure on the kicker to make the FG.
Would I of liked them to go for the TD in that final drive? Sure I would, a TD in that case (with a successful 2 point conversion) would of forced the Ravens to score a TD to tie the game instead of going for the FG.
However had they try to pass and couldnt get the TD or 1st down, the ravens would of gotten the ball back with plenty of time over the 2:00 mark.
And if they came back and won it in that situation, then many much more people will complain why we just didnt run it and chew up the clock.



Good point.
I'm just glad it all worked out in the end and our Vikes got the win!

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 06:43 PM
"SharperImage" wrote:



Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin declined to comment as he left the Metrodome on Sunday but the fact the rookie had his left arm in a sling said plenty. Harvin re-injured his left shoulder in the fourth quarter on a kickoff return and it remains to be seen if he can play next Sunday in Pittsburgh.

“He’s a tough guy," coach Brad Childress said. "They x-rayed it and there is nothing extra in there. [It's] just uncomfortable in there.”

Harvin hurt the shoulder on a second-quarter reception against St. Louis last week but was able to continue. He did not practice Wednesday but did some work on Thursday and Friday and was cleared to play on Sunday. He had been listed as questionable.

Meanwhile, the Vikings pass defense suffered a huge blow when cornerback Antoine Winfield was lost after injuring the top of his right foot. Winfield said it is not a turf toe injury. He missed the entire second half and the Ravens had great success going at his replacement Karl Paymah.

Childress said Winfield wanted to return to the game in the second half but was told no

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/64706092.html


thats good, we need him.

GREAT NEWS!!!! Sit Harvin this week so he can be good for greenbay, but we need winfield on Hines Ward!

tclawmen
10-18-2009, 06:44 PM
I hope we figure out why the center of the field 30 yds from the line of scrimmage is wide open before we face the Steelers next week.
On the positive side we are not giving up like we have in past years.
I have to credit Favre for that.
He puts us in a position to win every week.


We have had the same issue ALL friggin year with tight ends and inside receivers down the middle. I dont know if the problem is with the linebackers not picking them up or the zone covererage we are using or the coaches not making adjustments AGAIN!!! Rothlesberger will kill us over the middle if the coverage is not corrected.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 06:49 PM
"tclawmen" wrote:


I hope we figure out why the center of the field 30 yds from the line of scrimmage is wide open before we face the Steelers next week.
On the positive side we are not giving up like we have in past years.
I have to credit Favre for that.
He puts us in a position to win every week.


We have had the same issue ALL friggin year with tight ends and inside receivers down the middle. I dont know if the problem is with the linebackers not picking them up or the zone covererage we are using or the coaches not making adjustments AGAIN!!! Rothlesberger will kill us over the middle if the coverage is not corrected.


I think our DLine will have another big day vs. Roethlisberger.
His OLine isn't very good and he takes alot of sacks.
We need to pressure him so he gets the ball out quick, and doesn't let the receivers get to our extremely talented safeties.

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 06:55 PM
the pass defense has been our achilles heal the whole year.. giving up almost 400 to Aaron Rodgers, almost 300 to the Rams combined, almost 400 to the Ravens.

almost 1100 yards passing in just 3 games. we got Pitt coming up and big ben just threw for 400 today. Lets see how much hell rack up against us

Vikes
10-18-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm proud of the entire team 6 - 0.

The bottom line they find ways to WIN!

Congrats go Vikes...

SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;D

Purple Floyd
10-18-2009, 07:00 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


the pass defense has been our achilles heal the whole year.. giving up almost 400 to Aaron Rodgers, almost 300 to the Rams combined, almost 400 to the Ravens.

almost 1100 yards passing in just 3 games. we got Pitt coming up and he just threw for 400 today. Lets see how much hell rack up against us


We will need to play our best to beat the Steelers and they match up very well against us for sure. Hopefully that horse shoe has a bit of luck left in it.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 07:01 PM
"Vikes" wrote:


I'm proud of the entire team 6 - 0.

The bottom line they find ways to WIN!

Congrats go Vikes...

SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;D


lol, we didn't find a way to win, we found a way to lose, fortunately the ravens just wouldn't let us lose.

gregair13
10-18-2009, 07:05 PM
"Vikes" wrote:


I'm proud of the entire team 6 - 0.

The bottom line they find ways to WIN!

Congrats go Vikes...

SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;D

+1. Wins are wins. Doesn't matter how it happens.

Webby
10-18-2009, 07:18 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


the pass defense has been our achilles heal the whole year.. giving up almost 400 to Aaron Rodgers, almost 300 to the Rams combined, almost 400 to the Ravens.

almost 1100 yards passing in just 3 games. we got Pitt coming up and big ben just threw for 400 today. Lets see how much hell rack up against us


Safeties are suspect.
Bottom line we are way up we play softer and let yards go up.
Stats all need context.

Win is a win:
we put up enough points to win whichever it was.
If you want to quibble, how about no conversation on 3 huge drives....just FG instead of TD....we had that team buried all day.

SKOL VIKES!

shockzilla
10-18-2009, 07:32 PM
Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

BleedPurplePride
10-18-2009, 07:57 PM
Completely agree with all of the flooping, this coasting is getting OLD, just once it would be nice to see us put our foot on a teams throat and stop toying or whatever the hell it is they think they are doing. 6-0 is nice but it'll be 6-1 if we don't knock this crap off.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 07:58 PM
"BleedPurplePride" wrote:


Completely agree with all of the flooping, this coasting is getting OLD, just once it would be nice to see us put our foot on a teams throat and stop toying or whatever the hell it is they think they are doing. 6-0 is nice but it'll be 6-1 if we don't knock this crap off.


6-1 and would mean our season is done.

kevoncox
10-18-2009, 08:03 PM
I told you guys after week two, TJ is not ready to start for this team. There is a difference between sharper's play last season and Tj's play this season. Sharper had some bad games but was never a LIABILITY. TJ is a LIABILITY. Teams are specifically targeting him.

TJ is breaking this run defense. He continues to go inside and not contain outside, which is giving up a shit load of yardage on the ground. That last RR TD was due to holding on the WR and TJ simply being out of position. If he fills the Alley it's a 3 yard gain. Instead, he went inside and got beat to the outside and up the field. I'm ready to bench him.

Sullivan is playing better but he is being out matched on a weekly basis.

Allen needs to keep his head up and realize when a team is screening to his side.

LB need to tackle a bit more.

Paymeh....should Pay Me money for that performance.

In the end we won but we have a lot of work to fix in 1 week, or we will get our asses kicked.

Sannop
10-18-2009, 08:04 PM
"tclawmen" wrote:


On the positive side we are not giving up like we have in past years.
I have to credit Favre for that.
He puts us in a position to win every week.



This is what he has done for years.
There isn't a game that his teams can't win.
Only one losing season in 19 years, regardless of the talent around him.

kevoncox
10-18-2009, 08:06 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 08:09 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my ass?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.

Sannop
10-18-2009, 08:13 PM
When Favre showed up late everyone knew that there would be a learing curve.
Going 6-0 during that curve is more then could be hoped for.
The team is still learning together.

kevoncox
10-18-2009, 08:15 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my jiggly butt?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


Ultra. Don't get me wrong. I am happy with a win over the Ravens (I had us pencil in as an L in the pre-season). However, I see this team and know that we can play so much better. Even you can agree that there are things to fix. We are 6-0 but lets not stick our heads in the sand and pretend that we are playing amazing ball. This team can be legendary. We are not playing discipline ball.

My major issue and one that I have already addressed is that we have players in their that are not ready to play and that we should not have gotten rid of the vets that we got rid of. It's beating a dead horse because nothing can be done about it but....Damn it, Chilly get TJ's head in the damn game.

I'm not being negative...hell 4 more wins and we are almost certainly in the playoffs. I just wish we would address basic defensive failures.

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 08:16 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my ass?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th

Garland Greene
10-18-2009, 08:17 PM
Look at it it this way, Not all wins will be pretty.
But is anybody honestly saying that they are not happy about 6-0 no matter how pretty ugly those wins are?

ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 08:18 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my jiggly butt?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


Ultra. Don't get me wrong. I am happy with a win over the Ravens (I had us pencil in as an L in the pre-season). However, I see this team and know that we can play so much better. Even you can agree that there are things to fix. We are 6-0 but lets not stick our heads in the sand and pretend that we are playing amazing ball. This team can be legendary. We are not playing discipline ball.

My major issue and one that I have already addressed is that we have players in their that are not ready to play and that we should not have gotten rid of the vets that we got rid of. It's beating a dead horse because nothing can be done about it but....Damn it, Chilly get TJ's head in the damn game.

I'm not being negative...hell 4 more wins and we are almost certainly in the playoffs. I just wish we would address basic defensive failures.


How do you know they are not ready?
That's a big stretch saying that sitting in front of a TV watching the game.
Maybe the players are failing to execute at times and do their job.
It happens.
And it is the job of the coaching staff to jam their foot up those players asses.
You know this.
You played ball.
You cannot put it all on 1 coach.

ultravikingfan
10-18-2009, 08:20 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my ass?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th


Whose nuts, me?

Anyways, their kicker sure was not hungry!


We let our guard down and they took advantage of it.
Classic flank maneuver by the Ravens, big mistake on our parts.

shockzilla
10-18-2009, 08:21 PM
I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fucking-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!

DustinDupont
10-18-2009, 08:21 PM
i say we activate asher allen... he looked good in pre-season and at training camp... he couldn't be much worse then paymah...

kevoncox
10-18-2009, 08:23 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my jiggly butt?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


Ultra. Don't get me wrong. I am happy with a win over the Ravens (I had us pencil in as an L in the pre-season). However, I see this team and know that we can play so much better. Even you can agree that there are things to fix. We are 6-0 but lets not stick our heads in the sand and pretend that we are playing amazing ball. This team can be legendary. We are not playing discipline ball.

My major issue and one that I have already addressed is that we have players in their that are not ready to play and that we should not have gotten rid of the vets that we got rid of. It's beating a dead horse because nothing can be done about it but....gol 'darnit it, Chilly get TJ's head in the gol 'darnit game.

I'm not being negative...hell 4 more wins and we are almost certainly in the playoffs. I just wish we would address basic defensive failures.


How do you know they are not ready?
That's a big stretch saying that sitting in front of a TV watching the game.
Maybe the players are failing to execute at times and do their job.
It happens.
And it is the job of the coaching staff to jam their foot up those players dimply buttocks.
You know this.
You played ball.
You cannot put it all on 1 coach.



Typically when I say Chilly, I use his name as a term for the entire coaching staff( I have no idea who our DB coach is). I simply felt up 17 into the fourth, we should not have to run a 2 min drive to WIN. Even you must admit that that was fustrating.

I can tell you 1 thing though...I felt so at ease when Brett took the field. I can't say that last season. I think the huge game by Rice is being ignore...he played his ass off today and looked like an All Pro. Our Passing game is growing leaps and bounds. I'm fine with the run game as it is there should we need to depend on it. If this team can get our Safties strait... I think we will be the best team in the league.

DustinDupont
10-18-2009, 08:27 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fucking-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


dont get me wrong im happy as hell that we are 6-0 but there is no way we should be giving up 21 points in 5 min. Thats just terrible and didn't even seem like are defense was trying and thats why i think people are mad

shockzilla
10-18-2009, 08:30 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fucking-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


dont get me wrong im happy as hell that we are 6-0 but there is no way we should be giving up 21 points in 5 min. Thats just terrible and didn't even seem like are defense was trying and thats why i think people are mad


Of course, but the way people are acting it's like no one knows that we won! Let's enjoy 6-0, FORGET about this week and move on to fixing things in time for the Steelers game...THAT'S all I'm saying.

ThorSPL
10-18-2009, 08:31 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


i say we activate asher allen... he looked good in pre-season and at training camp... he couldn't be much worse then paymah...


I would also like to see that.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 08:33 PM
"ThorSPL" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


i say we activate asher allen... he looked good in pre-season and at training camp... he couldn't be much worse then paymah...


I would also like to see that.


I agree, although I gotta wonder why he isnt active to begin with?
Anyone remember Dustin Fox?

kevoncox
10-18-2009, 08:37 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fricken-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


dont get me wrong im happy as hell that we are 6-0 but there is no way we should be giving up 21 points in 5 min. Thats just terrible and didn't even seem like are defense was trying and thats why i think people are mad


Of course, but the way people are acting it's like no one knows that we won! Let's enjoy 6-0, FORGET about this week and move on to fixing things in time for the Steelers game...THAT'S all I'm saying.


I think most are saying that they want these things fixed. I know I have repeatedly said I am happy we are 6-0 but I know we can be so much better. I am concerned seeing our safties messing up each game in the same exact way.

DustinDupont
10-18-2009, 08:37 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fucking-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


dont get me wrong im happy as hell that we are 6-0 but there is no way we should be giving up 21 points in 5 min. Thats just terrible and didn't even seem like are defense was trying and thats why i think people are mad


Of course, but the way people are acting it's like no one knows that we won! Let's enjoy 6-0, FORGET about this week and move on to fixing things in time for the Steelers game...THAT'S all I'm saying.


I agree, we won lets move on and beat the steelers

midgensa
10-18-2009, 09:17 PM
"DustinDupont" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fucking-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


dont get me wrong im happy as hell that we are 6-0 but there is no way we should be giving up 21 points in 5 min. Thats just terrible and didn't even seem like are defense was trying and thats why i think people are mad


Of course, but the way people are acting it's like no one knows that we won! Let's enjoy 6-0, FORGET about this week and move on to fixing things in time for the Steelers game...THAT'S all I'm saying.


I agree, we won lets move on and beat the steelers


That is pretty much the boat I am in.

Those five minutes sucked ... they were awful ... but we STILL WON despite them.

We have a lot to work on ... praying to do that Winny and Harvin are ok ... and a 2 1/2 game cushion in the standings after the Bears lose tonight.

Purplemania
10-18-2009, 09:24 PM
"Yfz01" wrote:


"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...


D line gets an F??
Are you F'ing kidding me?
They played lights out.
Pressured Flacco all day, dominated against the run for a majority of the game.

Btw - Tyrell Johnson had one bad play, he was our second best D-back today.
I would put Sapp at first but even he gave up a TD.
Nobody played good at all but I was somewhat impressed by Tyrell Johnson (mostly just his speed and him actually having the ability to make tackles.)


Lights out? Did you just say lights out? For the first 3 series the Dline played very well, then got handled bad for the majority. Jared Allen, whether Viking fans want to admit it or not, was shut down very well by the rookie Ohr. Ohr only gave up 1 sack because he missed the assignment, but when he incaged with Allen, Jared could not do crap. Kevin and Pat played the run "okay", so I guess they did their job. Ray Edwards is pathetic. Also, as I've stated jumping the count kept drives alive for the Ravens and that happened 3-4 times. More then anything, when we needed the Dline to step up they got beat.

As for Tyrell, you also have to account his coverage mistakes. His first one almost led to a big Mason reception that could've gone the distance. He also was not there in time to help out Paymah on Clayton's TD. He is the SAFETY. A safety is the last man in a defense (most the time). He makes sure big plays don't happen. I'm a big Tyrell fan and I believe he's only going to get better, so even though I rip on him I'm not all too upset because this is part of growing pains. Now Madieau Williams...he's one helluva tackler and hitter but his coverage skills is not good enough to warrent him the big paycheck. I hope he steps it up soon or else this D will continue to give up the big plays.

TrojanVike28
10-18-2009, 09:30 PM
Good teams find a way to win. We won, and people act as if we lost. Yeah, we should have won by 20, but I'll take a W any way we can. We're 6-0, and let's forget about this game... And move on the Steelers. Sidney Rice is 9th in the league in receiving yards. AD is first in rushing. Favre is third in Passing TD's. I'm liking the offensive stats, we just have to get our secondary in tune. They are giving up too many big plays... and the Steelers love to pass the ball. Let's force Big Ben to throw picks. Hopefully Winfield and Percy get well soon, we need them next week. SKOL VIKINGS!

TrojanVike28
10-18-2009, 09:37 PM
and Shiancoe is tied for first in receiving TD's! You have to love it!

ejmat
10-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Game was somewhat frustrating for me.
Happy we won of course but it seemed like there were about 7 guys on defense in the 4th quarter.
Should have never been a close game never mind almost losing in the last seconds.

Peterson good job.
Favre good job.
Rice hell of a job.

Just a friendly note / question to my good pal Marrdro though.
Favre now has 4 passes of 40+ yards and 15 passes 20+ yards.
Some of them could have been for more but I'll take TDs over stats anyday.
My question is, do you still contend Favre cannot throw a long ball?

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


Game was somewhat frustrating for me.
Happy we won of course but it seemed like there were about 7 guys on defense in the 4th quarter.
Should have never been a close game never mind almost losing in the last seconds.

Peterson good job.
Favre good job.
Rice hell of a job.

Just a friendly note / question to my good pal Marrdro though.
Favre now has 4 passes of 40+ yards and 15 passes 20+ yards.
Some of them could have been for more but I'll take TDs over stats anyday.
My question is, do you still contend Favre cannot throw a long ball?


I don't think he even knows.
He has to realize he was wrong, but likely is staying firm because he doesn't want to be called a "flip-flopper"

You might notice He never admits he was wrong, about cook, tahi, Tyrell, Birk, etc.
he'll either keep arguing even though he has no base, or just hope people forget.

VikingLance
10-18-2009, 09:49 PM
Wow.


6-0.

Enough has already been said about the 4th quarter play.
Here is a different perspective.

Before the game, a friend and I were talking about the 3 game stretch before the bye.
We both figured that 2-1 is probably the way it would go, although neither of us could definitely pick which team the loss would come from.
We also thought it could be very probable to be 8-0 heading into the bye.
Then this statement came up.
"Sometimes, when everything is going right for a team, I think they need to lose one to bring them back to earth.
If they lose one to the AFC, that wouldn't be so bad."
The thought being, that they wouldn't get cocky, and continue to play smart and inspired.


I think that today's game, is that game.
We need to come back to earth, and play smart, inspired football.
Luckily for us, it ended with a W instead of an L.
The Vikings are a good team, and should play with swagger, but they need to play smart.
Hopefully a scare like this will help accomplish that.

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!

gamecocksbaseball31
10-18-2009, 10:07 PM
Thanks, Mr. Hauschka
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ePIeQ5d3b79z/340x.jpg

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 10:07 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my ass?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th


Whose nuts, me?

Anyways, their kicker sure was not hungry!


We let our guard down and they took advantage of it.
Classic flank maneuver by the Ravens, big mistake on our parts.




not you, kevenocox

midgensa
10-18-2009, 10:09 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:




Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my ass?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th


Whose nuts, me?

Anyways, their kicker sure was not hungry!


We let our guard down and they took advantage of it.
Classic flank maneuver by the Ravens, big mistake on our parts.




not you, kevenocox


What exactly made them hungrier than us? The loss?

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 10:13 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


"DustinDupont" wrote:


"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fucking-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


dont get me wrong im happy as hell that we are 6-0 but there is no way we should be giving up 21 points in 5 min. Thats just terrible and didn't even seem like are defense was trying and thats why i think people are mad


Of course, but the way people are acting it's like no one knows that we won! Let's enjoy 6-0, FORGET about this week and move on to fixing things in time for the Steelers game...THAT'S all I'm saying.


good point.. past is the past.. lets just hope chilly goes to the drawing board and figures out a good game plan for his old understudy tomlin

NDVikingFan66
10-18-2009, 10:23 PM
We won....seriously people

Yes we made mistakes, but we also made some plays.

We are not a great team, we are a good team, and we are getting better.

We put ourself in a position to win, and we did.
Remember, we were down at one point, and drove down the field and scored.
Should we have gotten a TD?
Sure, that would have been nice, but I can think of many times we never even got back down the field to score.

We looked good, not great.

If we were great, what we would improve on from week to week?

Vikefan05
10-18-2009, 10:28 PM
at least we're not the Bears!

V4L
10-18-2009, 10:31 PM
We shoulda lost

Enough said?

kevoncox
10-18-2009, 10:34 PM
"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"kevoncox" wrote:




Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my jiggly butt?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th


Whose nuts, me?

Anyways, their kicker sure was not hungry!


We let our guard down and they took advantage of it.
Classic flank maneuver by the Ravens, big mistake on our parts.




not you, kevenocox


Yes, I am crazy...because I feel that there is something wrong with our defense giving up 22 points and 220 yards in less than 5 mins.

Yes I am the first to tell you that we are 6-0 and that's fantastic. Hell 4 more wins and we are almost certain to make the playoffs.

However,
we can have Championship team on our hands. I think some of you guys are ignoring what others are saying. I don't just want to win because there are teams that if we play like this...we will lose. These issues should be addressed. It has been week after week of our safties giving up huge runs due to idiocy.

I am not going to act like the sky is falling because it's not. We simply need little tweaks. However, don't bash me because I can clearly see that there are areas we need work on.....
Ignore it if you want but....giving up 220 yards in 5 mins is terrible.

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 10:37 PM
"V4L" wrote:


We shoulda lost

Enough said?


lol, people seem to forget this.

They believe that Childress willed Haushcka into missing the field goal, as if his expert coaching caused the miss.

V4L
10-18-2009, 10:40 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


We shoulda lost

Enough said?


lol, people seem to forget this.

They believe that Childress willed Haushcka into missing the field goal, as if his expert coaching caused the miss.


Haha right

We kinda summed it up there

PurplePowerPunch
10-18-2009, 10:41 PM
"V4L" wrote:


We shoulda lost

Enough said?


Shoulda, Coulda, but didn't yo. 6-0!!!

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 10:42 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:






Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my jiggly butt?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th


Whose nuts, me?

Anyways, their kicker sure was not hungry!


We let our guard down and they took advantage of it.
Classic flank maneuver by the Ravens, big mistake on our parts.




not you, kevenocox


Yes, I am crazy...because I feel that there is something wrong with our defense giving up 22 points and 220 yards in less than 5 mins.

Yes I am the first to tell you that we are 6-0 and that's fantastic. Hell 4 more wins and we are almost certain to make the playoffs.

However,
we can have Championship team on our hands. I think some of you guys are ignoring what others are saying. I don't just want to win because there are teams that if we play like this...we will lose. These issues should be addressed. It has been week after week of our safties giving up huge runs due to idiocy.

I am not going to act like the sky is falling because it's not. We simply need little tweaks. However, don't bash me because I can clearly see that there are areas we need work on.....
Ignore it if you want but....giving up 220 yards in 5 mins is terrible.


dude i agree with you.. shit like i mentioned earlier, our pass defense is horrible.. almost 400 to arron rodgers, almost 300 to the rams, almost 400 to flacco. ofcourse our team needs tweaks. even the pats of 2007 that went 16-0 needed tweaks. all im saying is that yea this game was suppose to end at 30-17. but it didnt, but we did come out with the win. we need to look at the film, fix the mistakes so we can go into Pitt, to regulate and not make mistakes. cuz against pitt you cant afford to fuk up like how we did.

V4L
10-18-2009, 10:44 PM
"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


We shoulda lost

Enough said?


Shoulda, Coulda, but didn't yo. 6-0!!!



I don't give a shit

6-0 is nice

But we really could be 3-3 and probably should be

We need to fix alot of things

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 10:46 PM
"V4L" wrote:


"PurplePowerPunch" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


We shoulda lost

Enough said?


Shoulda, Coulda, but didn't yo. 6-0!!!



I don't give a shit

6-0 is nice

But we really could be 3-3 and probably should be

We need to fix alot of things


a dropped touchdown by Donald Lee and a missed field goal is the only reason we're not 4-2.
I'm glad we're 6-0, but people who pretend that there is nothing wrong need to wake the fuck up.

Sajid28
10-18-2009, 10:47 PM
"kevoncox" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:


"Sajid28" wrote:


"ultravikingfan" wrote:






Yes, a win is a win. Couple years ago we're losing these types of games... THIS year, we're finding ways to win games that are close. THAT, my friends, is the definition of a CHAMPIONSHIP-CALIBER team...

Who have we beaten? A bunch of .500 / sub 500 teams and the Pack.
Championship? Playoffs?
:-\
What happens if we play the saints looking like we look.


What if I had a hand growing out of my jiggly butt?
Then I would use that to wipe with.

We can can play the "what if" game all you like.

And you...were one of the bright spots in chat a couple weeks ago.
WTF?

We are 6-0.
Let the team prepare each week.
A game like this was the heart breaker we lost last year.


lol this guy is nutz... the ravens are a team that will stuff you in ur mouth week in and week out.. even BF said it in his press confrence, that he didnt want to play the ravens cuz they lost 2 str8.

yea our defense fuked up, we made mistakes, but simply the ravens were more hungrier than us today. and they showed how hungry they were especially in the 4th


Whose nuts, me?

Anyways, their kicker sure was not hungry!


We let our guard down and they took advantage of it.
Classic flank maneuver by the Ravens, big mistake on our parts.




not you, kevenocox


Yes, I am crazy...because I feel that there is something wrong with our defense giving up 22 points and 220 yards in less than 5 mins.

Yes I am the first to tell you that we are 6-0 and that's fantastic. Hell 4 more wins and we are almost certain to make the playoffs.

However,
we can have Championship team on our hands. I think some of you guys are ignoring what others are saying. I don't just want to win because there are teams that if we play like this...we will lose. These issues should be addressed. It has been week after week of our safties giving up huge runs due to idiocy.

I am not going to act like the sky is falling because it's not. We simply need little tweaks. However, don't bash me because I can clearly see that there are areas we need work on.....
Ignore it if you want but....giving up 220 yards in 5 mins is terrible.


also you gotta give the ravens credit. they are not a bad team.. they showed they wont go down without a fight. even last week they lost in the last second against the bengals, and this week they lost in the last seconds. and so did two weeks earlier when they played the patriots, they lost in the mid to late 4th qtr. these are suppose to be maybe three wins for them

whackthepack
10-18-2009, 11:03 PM
When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?
It's been awhile so lets give them a break.
Just don't make it a habit!!!!!!!!


When was the last time you thought our offense was as good as our defense??


Sorry Matty you are 3 -3
we are 6 - 0


-


maybe you should have signed here.


Lets pray that Winny - Harvin and AP are not to bad and can go next week.


Go Vikes!


What about Favre's dead arm on that 60 yard throw to Sidney!
Dead arm?

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 11:08 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:


When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?




Week 4

ejmat
10-18-2009, 11:09 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?




Week 4


Thought they won week 4
;)

zindulee
10-18-2009, 11:11 PM
stats are overrated. vikes dominated for 54 minutes and ravens piled up yds playing catchup. We won, we're 6-0 and the steelers are next. enough said. Skol Vikings!

i_bleed_purple
10-18-2009, 11:13 PM
"ejmat" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?



Week 4


Thought they won week 4
;)


we did win week 4, but we blew a huge lead because we started playing Chillyball.

thats our biggest problem, we play some KAO at first, then once we're up we go back to the good old chillyball.

ejmat
10-19-2009, 12:02 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?



Week 4


Thought they won week 4
;)


we did win week 4, but we blew a huge lead because we started playing Chillyball.

thats our biggest problem, we play some KAO at first, then once we're up we go back to the good old chillyball.


in what way did they play "chillyball"?
As a matter of fact they were still throwing the ball.
It was poor execution on the players' part.

I agree it's frustrating that you are kicking a teams' ass and then all of the sudden they come back and make it a game.
But in no way shape or form did they not try to stick it to the Ravens.
The Ravens have a good team.
Sure the ZVikes put up 33 points on them and could have had more but it wasn't because of bad play call or conservative play call.
It was lack of execution.
At certain times in the game AP was getting stuffed and Favre made a few bad throws.
It happens.

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 12:06 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?



Week 4


Thought they won week 4
;)


we did win week 4, but we blew a huge lead because we started playing Chillyball.

thats our biggest problem, we play some KAO at first, then once we're up we go back to the good old chillyball.


in what way did they play "chillyball"?
As a matter of fact they were still throwing the ball.
It was poor execution on the players' part.

I agree it's frustrating that you are kicking a teams' ass and then all of the sudden they come back and make it a game.
But in no way shape or form did they not try to stick it to the Ravens.
The Ravens have a good team.
Sure the ZVikes put up 33 points on them and could have had more but it wasn't because of bad play call or conservative play call.
It was lack of execution.
At certain times in the game AP was getting stuffed and Favre made a few bad throws.
It happens.


actually, it was more like a defensive version of "chillyball"we started strong, but played extremely soft coverage, as if we were scared to get beat, and we did.

erik5032
10-19-2009, 01:09 AM
"Mr" wrote:


6 straight weeks where we haven't played a full 60 minutes. That is totally unacceptable.

We're a lion on paper and a pussycat on the field. We did not deserve to win today.

I don't know how much more I can take, I'm young, but my heart's gonna give out watching this team if I see this soft coverage anymore. The pass rush was incredible today, but he always had options to throw to.



The offense looks incredible this season, but the defense is driving me crazy. We know we have the talent to be a great defense, but we don't have a coach that can get his team fired up to go out and hit people in the mouth.

I don't care how much of a genius, guru, asshole the media thinks Childress is, I'll take a guy with 10% of his football knowledge that can get his team to play 60 minutes. We have no soul, no charisma, we lack pride. We have guys like Peterson, Allen, Favre, and Harvin that are tough non-stop motor guys that don't need to be coached up, they come out and play every week. Unfortunately, not everyone is like that. We need someone who's going to fire up the team, give them that killer instinct, get them to play with pride, and play every down like it's their last. Childress can't get our team to do that. Despite being 6-0 and putting up points like it's 1998, we're not as good as we could be and it's our coaching staff that's holding us back.

Fire Childress. Don't even think about promoting from within.


I disagree whole heartedly. He definitely grew on me. Seriously, he took this team from 6-10, 8-8, 10-6 and now we are 6-0... i think that is an upgrade. He obviously has trouble finding a QB (well except for Favre), but look what else he has done.

Under him we grabbed: (Yes i know the rest of the Front Office also makes these decisions, but the coach has a lot of pull).

Jared Allen
Adrian Peterson
Chester Taylor
Bernard Berrian
Sidney Rice
Antoine Winfield and Pat Williams (Did Childress get them or was it Tice? I can't remember)

feel free to add to the list, it is late and i'm tired.

My point is that he has improved this team. His play calling does lack luster and I HATE how we go into prevent and choose not to lose instead of just win (We will never see a blowout under the Childress Regime). There is just no doubting that he has had a positive influence on this team and does not deserve to be fired.

mnvikes61
10-19-2009, 02:46 AM
Pretty sure Winny and Williams got here when Tice was the Head Coach.

digital420
10-19-2009, 04:30 AM
#1 complaint about this game...

why did we slack and let RayRice get 42 fantasy points to bury me in my H2H this week!!!!!!!!!!!!


#2 complaint
ok, i know we lost winfield.. and sapp.. but man did the D fold.. just shows you how one cog not in place can really tear apart the team.
There were some speicific moments were we had them stopped, and they got some amazing play cause people were not in position.. or not living up to the standard that the starters have set.
there was preasure all day long on Flaco, he managed to avoid the sacs, but ended up a lot of time on the ground. i'm hoping we havn't lost anyone, and we'll keep moving forward on the D side.


I am still in awe of how dangerous this O can be.. with such balance, and farve/wr's starting to really get into the swing with each other.. there will be some whispers soon that this could be one of the best tuned and balanced O's in the league!!
here's hoping AP + PH are able to bounce back from a painful game and lead us onward!

btw.. CT has got to be the best back up rb in the league, and i luv the fact we have both AP + CT

DiGiTaL

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 04:54 AM
"marstc09" wrote:


Positive:
Favre was on point. The noodle arm statement should be filtered to say MVP. what was that 61 yards? LMFAO!
Rice has just had his breakout game
OL is playing really well since the first couple games
Hey Marrdro how about that Hauschka guy? LOL

Negative:
Defensive collapse
Paymah blows, if Winfield is out Green Bay will destroy us


LOL, I figured you would think of that.
Maybe that cat isn't the answer but how about those kickoffs by Shortwell.
Ya think if we would have been able to keep them pinned back around the 20 or shorter in the 4th we might not have had as many troubles?


Look, I love that he can kick a FG realiably but gol 'darnit I get sick of watching him on KO's.
In case you think I am hating.......Hauska wasn't much better.
Trust me, I am scouring the colledge ranks for a cat to draft this year.. ;)

As to the Noodle Arm thing, finally, after 6 weeks you have something to grab ahold of.......That really proves me wrong doesn't it.
HA
;)

(By the By, how about the
first pass to Rice and Shanc?
Off target.
How about when he launched it over Rices head in the endzone.
Rice ran the perfect route and hand his defender screened out of the play......Of target.
LNAD LNAD LNAD. Even the announcers marveled at what great catches our recievers were making when he was off with his throws.....)
;D
;D
;D
;D

I like how everyone is hacking on just the D.
Probably cause the O scored so much.
How about our O not being able to control the ball and run the clock out thus alleviating the need for our D to even go back on the field.

Complete melt down
by the D?
I don't think so.
This was a total team melt down.


Back on the D and hacking on just one cat.
A few of us said the D was getting gashed all year.
Each and everytime that was poooh pooohed away by the way.
Why does everyone on here now want to blame a backup who stepped in for a starter in just this game?

Quick question for all of you wanting to blame one guy?
Do you really believe we should have quality starters backing up our starters?
Not even ole Bryzcheapski could swing a deal to have starters sitting on the bench.

Long story short, we had issues even when Whinny was in there.
Most are thinking of this issue with the thought process of our CB's covering as shutdown CB's when in fact that isn't the problem.
What we continue to see is that our CB's and S's are struggling with how they should hand a guy off from one zone to the next especially when a TE gets into those same zones when the LB is Blitzing.

My opinion, quick hacking on the kid.
He came in and made plays and messed up on plays.
That is expected.
What more can you ask from a gol 'darnit good special team player who came in and played his heart out.
Not that hard of a concept to grasp.
gol 'darnit.

As someone said, we are 6-0, isn't that all that matters?

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:02 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"marstc09" wrote:


Positive:
Favre was on point. The noodle arm statement should be filtered to say MVP. what was that 65 yards? LMFAO!
Rice has just had his breakout game
OL is playing really well since the first couple games
Hey Marrdro how about that Hauschka guy? LOL

Negative:
Defensive collapse
Paymah blows, if Winfield is out Green Bay will destroy us




LMAO!!

This game was a great game to exemplify the fact that we pooh the bed on:
Letting Sharper go
Letting Birk Go


I might give you Sharp, however, was Sharp getting all the INT's when he was here?
NOT. Love seeing Sully out leading a few of those screens.

As to Birk, did you really watch him play last night.
gol 'darnit, I really didn't think anyone was gonna say anthing about him today that would open the door for a few "I told you so's."

Even when Phat Pat was out, Kennedy and Evans were schooling him.
HAHAHAHA.
;D

Long story short, the run production can be more attributed to loss of Gap control by a certain DE and a S than it can to a C who was on his ass during those plays....... ;)

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:08 AM
"Purplemania" wrote:


QB: A+ Farve played as well as he could agianst a good Ravens D. He had amazing laser throws that were on target.

RB: B- Peterson had two nice runs...other then that the Oline couldn't open any holes.

WR: A+ Great game by Rice and Berrian also played well. This is what I expect from Sidney when we drafted him- the guy who could move the chains and our most dependable WR.

TE: B Shank had a decent game...couldn't block the edge so AP could get on the outside though.

Oline: C+ They gave Farve decent time to throw every now and then but couldn't open any holes for Peterson (except for the two nice runs). Ngaoti also beasted all game against our interior lineman.

Dline: F----------------- pafreakingthetic. Every single player playing Dline should be ashame of themselves today. First of all, trying to time the snap count...okay that was fun when we were up 14-0, the dome was loud, and no one was caught yet. But when you get caught once or twice, STOP TRYING TO GET THAT JUMP. It's not worth it. Secondly, offenses now know how to attack this Dline running-wise. How? Run to the edge. It's been killing us all season.

LB: F Maybe it's just me, but EJ has been playing barely mediocre this year. He's missed tackles he should make agian (particularily on RRice's first TD). Leber...does this guy do anything? Greenway had nice tackles today, and only gave that huge gain to Heap, so he was solid today.

CB: F----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of position, confusion in coverage, couldn't tackle...

S: Let's just say CB and Dline > S. That's how bad Tyrell and Madieau played today.

Special team: Eh...

Best post in this thread so far.
Great stuff my friend.
Just bumped you up a couple of columns on the ole spread sheet.

Quick question.
Do you think we can fix the handover issue between the S, CB's?

I've given ole Leslie props a couple of times this year.
I officially take them back and think he is the worst D coord in the league right now.

Starters have been iffy all year and backups weren't ready to step in tonight.
Shamefull.

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:21 AM
"Sajid28" wrote:


dude i agree with you.. pooh like i mentioned earlier, our pass defense is horrible.. almost 400 to arron rodgers, almost 300 to the rams, almost 400 to flacco. ofcourse our team needs tweaks. even the pats of 2007 that went 16-0 needed tweaks. all im saying is that yea this game was suppose to end at 30-17. but it didnt, but we did come out with the win. we need to look at the film, fix the mistakes so we can go into Pitt, to regulate and not make mistakes. cuz against pitt you cant afford to fuk up like how we did.

No no no my friend.
You've got it all wrong.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with our defense.......
The problem lies with a STer who came in and filled in after a starter went down.

(Key note:
That was me being Sarcastic/Funny in case you missed it).

Excellent post my friend.
Excellent indeed.
;)

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:27 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


Game was somewhat frustrating for me.
Happy we won of course but it seemed like there were about 7 guys on defense in the 4th quarter.
Should have never been a close game never mind almost losing in the last seconds.

Peterson good job.
Favre good job.
Rice hell of a job.

Just a friendly note / question to my good pal Marrdro though.
Favre now has 4 passes of 40+ yards and 15 passes 20+ yards.
Some of them could have been for more but I'll take TDs over stats anyday.
My question is, do you still contend Favre cannot throw a long ball?

I'll address this in the appropriate thread.
Long story short, I skipped my after game meal so I could choke down some more crow.
;)

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:33 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


Game was somewhat frustrating for me.
Happy we won of course but it seemed like there were about 7 guys on defense in the 4th quarter.
Should have never been a close game never mind almost losing in the last seconds.

Peterson good job.
Favre good job.
Rice hell of a job.

Just a friendly note / question to my good pal Marrdro though.
Favre now has 4 passes of 40+ yards and 15 passes 20+ yards.
Some of them could have been for more but I'll take TDs over stats anyday.
My question is, do you still contend Favre cannot throw a long ball?


I don't think he even knows.
He has to realize he was wrong, but likely is staying firm because he doesn't want to be called a "flip-flopper"

You might notice He never admits he was wrong, about cook, tahi, Tyrell, Birk, etc.
he'll either keep arguing even though he has no base, or just hope people forget.

Come on my friend.......

Did you watch Birk?
Tahi had some nice blocks against a damn good looking D.
When have I ever championed STJ?
I don't, just as you won't see me hacking on him either.
2nd year player who should be learning from the bench.
I hack on the coaches for that, just as I did with Cook.
Cook was stuck out there cause the coaches didn't have anything better.

Truth of the matter, anyone who hacks on a player for doing his best in a situation he isn't prepared for, slipps quite a bit in my opinion for what that matters.

Anyway, long story short, I know you have a hard time grasping my posts, but you should get your shit together before you try calling me out.
You will find that it will help you win a few "Arguements" with me.

Most who have been around here long enough will tell you that I am one of the few that does admit when he is wrong.

(Key note:
I cleaned this up.
My original post would have surely got me dotted, if not banned.) >:(No smiley faces >:(

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:36 AM
"gamecocksbaseball31" wrote:


Thanks, Mr. Hauschka
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ePIeQ5d3b79z/340x.jpg



Whew, I gotta heaping helping coming for that cat.
Still say we need to do something with our KO's though.
Damn we gave alot up on those.

Wonder what excuse the "Farwell" crowd will use on those?
::)

(Marrdro snickers to himself)

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 05:40 AM
"Purplemania" wrote:


Lights out? Did you just say lights out? For the first 3 series the Dline played very well, then got handled bad for the majority. Jared Allen, whether Viking fans want to admit it or not, was shut down very well by the rookie Ohr. Ohr only gave up 1 sack because he missed the assignment, but when he incaged with Allen, Jared could not do crap. Kevin and Pat played the run "okay", so I guess they did their job. Ray Edwards is pathetic. Also, as I've stated jumping the count kept drives alive for the Ravens and that happened 3-4 times. More then anything, when we needed the Dline to step up they got beat.

As for Tyrell, you also have to account his coverage mistakes. His first one almost led to a big Mason reception that could've gone the distance. He also was not there in time to help out Paymah on Clayton's TD. He is the SAFETY. A safety is the last man in a defense (most the time). He makes sure big plays don't happen. I'm a big Tyrell fan and I believe he's only going to get better, so even though I rip on him I'm not all too upset because this is part of growing pains. Now Madieau Williams...he's one helluva tackler and hitter but his coverage skills is not good enough to warrent him the big paycheck. I hope he steps it up soon or else this D will continue to give up the big plays.

Another damn fine post.

I for one get sick of watching JA get beat by a run when he gets to far upfield.
He got schooled in the 4th quarter thats for sure.

whackthepack
10-19-2009, 07:29 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?




Week 4



Green Bay game


we were up 30 - 14 late in the fourth and the Vikes took out most of their starters on defense and offense.


GB put up 2 td's in garbage time not the same as this game.

ejmat
10-19-2009, 07:32 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




When was the last time our defense blew a game like that?



Week 4


Thought they won week 4
;)


we did win week 4, but we blew a huge lead because we started playing Chillyball.

thats our biggest problem, we play some KAO at first, then once we're up we go back to the good old chillyball.


in what way did they play "chillyball"?
As a matter of fact they were still throwing the ball.
It was poor execution on the players' part.

I agree it's frustrating that you are kicking a teams' ass and then all of the sudden they come back and make it a game.
But in no way shape or form did they not try to stick it to the Ravens.
The Ravens have a good team.
Sure the ZVikes put up 33 points on them and could have had more but it wasn't because of bad play call or conservative play call.
It was lack of execution.
At certain times in the game AP was getting stuffed and Favre made a few bad throws.
It happens.


actually, it was more like a defensive version of "chillyball"we started strong, but played extremely soft coverage, as if we were scared to get beat, and we did.


Well we didn't get beat but yes I agree the defense let the team down in the 4th quarter but let me ask who calls the defensive plays?
I think Frazier has that job.

ejmat
10-19-2009, 07:33 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


Game was somewhat frustrating for me.
Happy we won of course but it seemed like there were about 7 guys on defense in the 4th quarter.
Should have never been a close game never mind almost losing in the last seconds.

Peterson good job.
Favre good job.
Rice hell of a job.

Just a friendly note / question to my good pal Marrdro though.
Favre now has 4 passes of 40+ yards and 15 passes 20+ yards.
Some of them could have been for more but I'll take TDs over stats anyday.
My question is, do you still contend Favre cannot throw a long ball?

I'll address this in the appropriate thread.
Long story short, I skipped my after game meal so I could choke down some more crow.

;)


Fair enough.
LOL.
You must be full by now
;)

Prophet
10-19-2009, 07:44 AM
Flacco was impressive.
He was getting pummelled all day long and still getting the job done.

It isn't often when a team can get owned like the Vikings were in the 4th quarter and still come up with a W.
Opponents will be studying that film with a fine-toothed comb.
Ah, but Frazier will be riding them this week and getting that sorted out too.

I am thankful that the team, for the first time in a long time, has the potential for one of the squads to pull through when another is struggling.
The offense, defense, and special teams all have the possibility of getting the job done.
If all three are firing on most cylinders there isn't a team they cannot beat.

Zeus
10-19-2009, 08:40 AM
How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 08:44 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.

=Z=


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 08:45 AM
To everyone who says we got lucky - BS.

The Ravens got lucky to mount a 3 TD 4th quarter.
They were lucky to be in the position to win.
Their luck just didn't hold out.

The Vikings owned the majority of that game, and were the better team yesterday.
We ABSOLUTELY deserved to win.

And people need to wake the f up when they bitch about the playcalling too.
I saw THREE different passing plays out of strong formations, with Kliensauser lining up in the slot!
THREE!
I saw runs out of slot formations, and there is no way - NO WAY - that people can claim that it is predictiable now.
Was it conservative? Yes.
That is part of our offensive scheme, and it kills me that people are bitching about it.
WE HAVE PUT UP AT LEAST 27 POINTS EVERY GAME THIS YEAR, and people still say that we are too conservative on offense, or we are playing not to lose.

In case anybody is curious, we are the second highest scoring team in the NFL right now.
Too conservative?
Give me a break.

The playcalling was very good yesterday.
In fact, it was good enough to win.

We had a great offensive show against a good defensive team.
We are 6-0.
Was it perfect? Nope.
And we are probably going to have a couple more games this year that aren't perfect anyway.
In the end, what matters is the final score.

Zeus
10-19-2009, 08:46 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.

=Z=

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 08:48 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


beeyatch, beeyatch, beeyatch, beeyatch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.

=Z=


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


No, we should acknowledge the good along with the bad.
And there is more good than bad.
A helluva lot more.

Obviously we need Winfield back.
He is a huge part of our defense, and I think everyone knows it.
But good teams find a way to win even when one of their best players is out.
And we were that team yesterday.

Kudos to the Ravens for coming back in the 4th to make it a game.
Kudos to the Vikings for putting up 33 points, including a late 4th quarter drive to score the go ahead field goal.

The Ravens didn't lose that game - the Vikings won it.

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 08:49 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.

=Z=


If you don't want to read it, nobody is forcing you to.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 08:51 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.

=Z=


You're bitching about the bitching... good tactic.

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 08:52 AM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.

=Z=


You're bitching about the bitching... good tactic.


I loled

Zeus
10-19-2009, 08:52 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.


If you don't want to read it, nobody is forcing you to.


Nobody's forcing you to write it, either.

=Z=

Sannop
10-19-2009, 08:54 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:



As to the Noodle Arm thing, finally, after 6 weeks you have something to grab ahold of.......That really proves me wrong doesn't it.
HA
;)

(By the By, how about the
first pass to Rice and Shanc?
Off target.
How about when he launched it over Rices head in the endzone.
Rice ran the perfect route and hand his defender screened out of the play......Of target.
LNAD LNAD LNAD. Even the announcers marveled at what great catches our recievers were making when he was off with his throws.....)
;D
;D
;D
;D


Correct, that was a bad throw.
But are you willing to give him the credit for the first deep pass interference when he created an offsides and then immediately went for the home run on the free play?



How about the TD in the GB game
(to Berrian )
when he noticed the safety out of position so he did a quick snap, pumped faked Woodson, and hit a wide open receiver that HE created?

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 08:54 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.


If you don't want to read it, nobody is forcing you to.


Nobody's forcing you to write it, either.

=Z=

ha.

yet I choose to write.
If you don't want to hear the "whining and bitching"
Yet knew this thread would be full of it even on the car ride home, why do you keep reading it?
Those who post here, post for a reason, Those who post here just to complain about the complaining are really just trolling the thread.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 08:58 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




How many teams in the NFL are 6-0 right now?

One.

Being happy about that is not (no matter what IBP says) believing there is nothing wrong.
God - I knew this thread would be a complete trainwreck while I was walking back to the car after the game yesterday.


Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Whine, whine, whine, whine.
No respect for the Ravens.
No credit given to the team that put up 33 points.
Just a whole lotta complaining.

Pathetic.
And I don't mean what happens when your defense loses their Pro Bowl CB.


So we're supposed to just turn a blind eye to the fact we let the Ravens back into the game not once, but twice?
It was a good job on their part, but a worse job on our part.
This is the postgame discussion thread, and thats what we're doing, discussing.
If you want to pretend everything is jolly, and Paymah is awesome just because he helped the team to 6-0, then go for it.


Where did I write one single thing like that?


No where.

There's no discussing.
There's just whining.


If you don't want to read it, nobody is forcing you to.


Nobody's forcing you to write it, either.

=Z=

ha.

yet I choose to write.
If you don't want to hear the "whining and bitching"
Yet knew this thread would be full of it even on the car ride home, why do you keep reading it?
Those who post here, post for a reason, Those who post here just to complain about the complaining are really just trolling the thread.


Didn't you know? Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.

Zeus
10-19-2009, 08:59 AM
"C" wrote:


Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"

=Z=

Zeus
10-19-2009, 09:00 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


yet I choose to write.
If you don't want to hear the "whining and bitching"
Yet knew this thread would be full of it even on the car ride home, why do you keep reading it?
Those who post here, post for a reason, Those who post here just to complain about the complaining are really just trolling the thread.


So - what's your reason for not acknowledging anything good and only dwelling on the bad?

=Z=

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 09:00 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"

=Z=


Are you... bitching?

Zeus
10-19-2009, 09:02 AM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?

=Z=

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 09:05 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?

=Z=


No. Not sure where you read that.

Simply saying you feel it necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper to discuss on the boards as if you're entitled to decide if it's a viable conversation or not. It's sorta sad.

If you don't have anything to add to someone's comments, you shouldn't post anything in return. If a Mod deems the post unnecessary, THE MOD will let the user know.... not some guy on a power trip.

That is all.

Zeus
10-19-2009, 09:11 AM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?


No. Not sure where you read that.

Simply saying you feel it necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper to discuss on the boards as if you're entitled to decide if it's a viable conversation or not. It's sorta sad.

If you don't have anything to add to someone's comments, you shouldn't post anything in return. If a Mod deems the post unnecessary, THE MOD will let the user know.... not some guy on a power trip.

That is all.


I don't feel it's necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper.
Where did I write that?

I feel that there's a large bunch of very prolific posters who flock to these post-game threads, week after week, with no thought of "How do I praise my team for another victory!", but, rather, thoughts of "What can I complain about now."
And that bothers me.

Bothers Shock, too.
And Ultra.
And Nodak.

Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.
Where are the posts about that?

Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!
Where are the posts about that?

Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?
No posts about that!

Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!
No posts about that, either!

What is wrong with wanting your fellow fans to celebrate the good rather than dwelling on the bad?

=Z=

ejmat
10-19-2009, 09:20 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?


No. Not sure where you read that.

Simply saying you feel it necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper to discuss on the boards as if you're entitled to decide if it's a viable conversation or not. It's sorta sad.

If you don't have anything to add to someone's comments, you shouldn't post anything in return. If a Mod deems the post unnecessary, THE MOD will let the user know.... not some guy on a power trip.

That is all.


I don't feel it's necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper.
Where did I write that?

I feel that there's a large bunch of very prolific posters who flock to these post-game threads, week after week, with no thought of "How do I praise my team for another victory!", but, rather, thoughts of "What can I complain about now."
And that bothers me.

Bothers Shock, too.
And Ultra.
And Nodak.

Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.
Where are the posts about that?

Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!
Where are the posts about that?

Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?
No posts about that!

Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!
No posts about that, either!

What is wrong with wanting your fellow fans to celebrate the good rather than dwelling on the bad?

=Z=


I agree.
There is a lot more negativity than there is positive posts and that is amazing to me when the team is 6-0.
I will be the first to say I was not happy that they let the Ravens back into a game in which was dominated for 3 quarters.
Regardless of who is playing that needs to be looked at because you bet other teams will be trying to exploit.
The problem is there were problems with the pass defense and the run defense in the 4th quarter.

However, this team did what it took to win.
Yes there was a little luck involved with the miss of a FG at the end.
But the offense is playing very well.
They did all game.
The defense played well for 3 quarters but as we all know sometimes it only takes a couple of plays to win ball games.
Therefore, the defense needs to re-focus themselves, watch film and correct those issues.
Other than that the Vikings played and beat a very good Raven ball club.
They are 6-0 and on their way to what could be a very magical season.

JeffSeimon
10-19-2009, 09:21 AM
Farve is the 2nd best in the NFC..
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go






"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to beeyatch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?


No. Not sure where you read that.

Simply saying you feel it necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper to discuss on the boards as if you're entitled to decide if it's a viable conversation or not. It's sorta sad.

If you don't have anything to add to someone's comments, you shouldn't post anything in return. If a Mod deems the post unnecessary, THE MOD will let the user know.... not some guy on a power trip.

That is all.


I don't feel it's necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper.
Where did I write that?

I feel that there's a large bunch of very prolific posters who flock to these post-game threads, week after week, with no thought of "How do I praise my team for another victory!", but, rather, thoughts of "What can I complain about now."
And that bothers me.

Bothers Shock, too.
And Ultra.
And Nodak.

Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.
Where are the posts about that?

Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!
Where are the posts about that?

Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?
No posts about that!

Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!
No posts about that, either!

What is wrong with wanting your fellow fans to celebrate the good rather than dwelling on the bad?

=Z=

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 09:22 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.


Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!


Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?


Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!


=Z=


Awesome points.

And we are 6-0.

This was actually a good time for the defense to get slapped around a little.
Get them worked up, and get them to refocus going into what IMHO is going to be the toughest game in the schedule against Pittsburgh.

So we got a wake up call AND we still won.
I gotta say that I am still smiling. :)

Everyone said that they wanted to see us put up points against a tough Baltimore defense before they said we were for real.
And we did.
Our defense gave up 3 TDs in the 4th, and yes, that is a problem.
But I think we all know that was an aberration.
I think our defense has proven that they can play at a high level, I am inclined to forgive one bad quarter now and then.
Kudos to the Ravens for being able to mount a comeback like that.
It certainly made for an exciting game.

I understand that some people are still complaining... that's fine.
That is their prerogative if they only want to look at the negative.
I can't help but be happy though, and I am glad that there is a LOT more to be happy about than there is to complain about.
6-0 baby!

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 09:26 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to bitch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?


No. Not sure where you read that.

Simply saying you feel it necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper to discuss on the boards as if you're entitled to decide if it's a viable conversation or not. It's sorta sad.

If you don't have anything to add to someone's comments, you shouldn't post anything in return. If a Mod deems the post unnecessary, THE MOD will let the user know.... not some guy on a power trip.

That is all.


I don't feel it's necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper.
Where did I write that?

I feel that there's a large bunch of very prolific posters who flock to these post-game threads, week after week, with no thought of "How do I praise my team for another victory!", but, rather, thoughts of "What can I complain about now."
And that bothers me.

Bothers Shock, too.
And Ultra.
And Nodak.

Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.
Where are the posts about that?

Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!
Where are the posts about that?

Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?
No posts about that!

Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!
No posts about that, either!

What is wrong with wanting your fellow fans to celebrate the good rather than dwelling on the bad?

=Z=


Seems like you're dwelling on the people that are dwelling on the bad... so I guess that's a lot better?

tastywaves
10-19-2009, 09:41 AM
Reading through this thread I see we have some great new members to PPO including echizen20 and eldin.
Welcome to PPO and keep it coming.
You'll figure out the cast of characters soon enough and know how to read through it.

I'm ecstatic that we are 6-0 no matter how we got here at this point.
All that matters at this point in the season is our record.
At the end of the year, what matters is that we are firing on all cylinders.
The Saints are setting the world on fire right now and are easily the best team in football.
Will this continue into the playoffs, or will they pull a Tennessee?


When Winfield went down, our depth at db showed big time.
I was surprised that Paymah was kept over Macauley simply because of the ability to replace Winfield or Griffin.
I'm not a big fan of Macauley, but he was a much better outside corner than Paymah or Sapp.
However, as Marrdro pointed out, I think the bigger problem is in the coordination between the safeties and corners.
I put this more on the safeties as it looks to me like they are constantly making the wrong decisions.
Paymah should not be put on an island with an outside receiver when the Ravens are in catchup mode.
Flacco is going to take that matchup every time and just chuck it up there hoping his guy makes the play.
More often than not, the WR will make the play.


Part of why our pass defense looks bad especially yesterday is because the Ravens were forced to go deep a lot.
With Flacco buying enough time to deliver good throws, it puts a lot of pressure on a cb to hold coverage over a large distance.
Our corners do not excel in this type of coverage and need help from the safeties.
If we start blitzing and still give Flacco time to deliver, then blame Leslie or blame the blitzers, not just the corner.


If Paymah starts next week in place of Winfield, then be worried.
I think we will have a lot of nickel and dime packages in place against the new pass happy Steelers.
Really need Winfield for next week.

ultravikingfan
10-19-2009, 09:48 AM
Come on.
I know we have a little war going on here that seems to show up in different threads.
Let's just all cut our losses (or gains) and drop it.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 10:15 AM
Just going back through the highlights from the game.
Ray Rice was REALLY impressive.
Kudos to him for really getting the Ravens back into it.

I am still pumped for the win.
Seriously - the Vikings are rolling.
6-0 is a pretty special record, and I am confident that we can beat ANY team in the NFL right now.
I fully expect some losses still this season, but as of right now we are looking like one of the teams to beat in the NFL.


I am no longer looking for just playoffs, I am looking for home field advantage.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 10:22 AM
You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.

Zeus
10-19-2009, 10:41 AM
"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=

ejmat
10-19-2009, 10:44 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 10:45 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


That's my point... Paymah got eaten alive and Sapp remained at the slot.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 10:47 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?



It's mind boggling because I've watched the play of both corners... Sapp was coming off a career game against the Rams... yet we put arguably our worst CB in to replace Winfield. Hence "Mind Boggling".... which is obviously correct, because Paymah looked awful and the Ravens almost came back to beat us... and they really should have won that game.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 10:54 AM
"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?



It's mind boggling because I've watched the play of both corners... Sapp was coming off a career game against the Rams... yet we put arguably our worst CB in to replace Winfield. Hence "Mind Boggling".... which is obviously correct, because Paymah looked awful and the Ravens almost came back to beat us... and they really should have won that game.


I agree with C Mac about Sapp playing better than Paymah, especially recently.
It boggled my mind as well to see Paymah in for Winfield and Sapp still at nickle.
I wonder if he excels in the nickle but can't play straight corner?
I don't know.
I also heard on the radio that Sapp took a pretty good hit to the head, and played for a lot of the game with a concussion.
I didn't realize that.

As far as saying the Ravens should have won that game.. I completely disagree.
They were lucky to be able to mount a very impressive comeback in the 4th Q, and Ray Rice was really amazing.
But the Vikings were the better team for 50 out of 60 minutes in that game.
The Vikings should have won the game, and they did.
A little too close to call, and we learned some stuff about our backup secondary.
But the Vikings still deserved that win.

ejmat
10-19-2009, 10:58 AM
"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?



It's mind boggling because I've watched the play of both corners... Sapp was coming off a career game against the Rams... yet we put arguably our worst CB in to replace Winfield. Hence "Mind Boggling".... which is obviously correct, because Paymah looked awful and the Ravens almost came back to beat us... and they really should have won that game.


I will be the first to say I didn't watch the game vs the Rams but to judge on one game is your answer?
Again, I would think the coaching staff knows more than you or I as to who would be the better person at that position.
Sapp is mainly used as a nickle back.
Pahmah is the backup right now.
Again Sapp was hurt anyway so that is pretty much a moot point.
Sapp is pretty inconsistent himself as it is.
Unfortunately the depth in that position is not that deep it seems.


Fact is the Ravens should not have won.
They got their asses kicked for 3 quarters.
Props to them for coming back but it doesn't mean they should have won.
They put themselves in a position to win and didn't come through.
Why should a team that was beat bad for 3 quarters and couldn't pull through when it counted "should have won"?

Freya
10-19-2009, 11:03 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.


Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!


Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?


Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!


=Z=


Awesome points.

And we are 6-0.

This was actually a good time for the defense to get slapped around a little.
Get them worked up, and get them to refocus going into what IMHO is going to be the toughest game in the schedule against Pittsburgh.

So we got a wake up call AND we still won.
I gotta say that I am still smiling. :)

Everyone said that they wanted to see us put up points against a tough Baltimore defense before they said we were for real.
And we did.
Our defense gave up 3 TDs in the 4th, and yes, that is a problem.
But I think we all know that was an aberration.
I think our defense has proven that they can play at a high level, I am inclined to forgive one bad quarter now and then.
Kudos to the Ravens for being able to mount a comeback like that.
It certainly made for an exciting game.

I understand that some people are still complaining... that's fine.
That is their prerogative if they only want to look at the negative.
I can't help but be happy though, and I am glad that there is a LOT more to be happy about than there is to complain about.
6-0 baby!


I agree with you for the most part, Nodak. However, the implosion yesterday was a clear indication that there is a problem. If the problem is that Winfield got hurt and Paymah got his ass handed to him, then fix it. If the problem is that the team had trouble maintaining momentum or stamina, then fix it. Whatever it is, it must be addressed because the way we won this game yesterday was like backing into the playoffs by the grace of someone else losing. And each time that that has happened we did nothing but prove it was a mistake that we made the playoffs at all. I can't forget the Superbowl games that we lost or our 1998 season that was lost for the very same reason that Baltimore lost yesterday. Yesterday, we were 2 seconds and one field goal away from losing. In a game where we mostly dominated. Two times we made it to the red zone and had to settle for points off longwell's shoe. Not good enough, imo. And certainly not good enough to win when the field has been narrowed to a select few. Certainly we brought Favre in for more than points from field goals. I wanna see it. Consistently.
It was stunning to win on a failed field goal, to be sure. But I hope it never happens again.

halfgiz
10-19-2009, 11:07 AM
"JeffSeimon" wrote:


Farve is the 2nd best in the NFC..


Look who is ahead of him....That's pretty impressive that he is in the top 4.

I had to laugh when we scored a touchdown. And Farve ran down the field like a kid and shoved Harvin from behind. ;D

Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!

=Z=

[/quote]

gagarr
10-19-2009, 11:08 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:






Didn't you know? Z is the only person allowed to beeyatch when he feels like it. Only Z can deem what is proper conversation on these boards.

He does it every week.


And, once again, poor little persecuted CMac shows up.
"Squawk!
Special treatment!
Squawk!"


Are you... bitching?


Are you....complaining about special treatment yet again?


No. Not sure where you read that.

Simply saying you feel it necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper to discuss on the boards as if you're entitled to decide if it's a viable conversation or not. It's sorta sad.

If you don't have anything to add to someone's comments, you shouldn't post anything in return. If a Mod deems the post unnecessary, THE MOD will let the user know.... not some guy on a power trip.

That is all.


I don't feel it's necessary to chose what is proper and what isn't proper.
Where did I write that?

I feel that there's a large bunch of very prolific posters who flock to these post-game threads, week after week, with no thought of "How do I praise my team for another victory!", but, rather, thoughts of "What can I complain about now."
And that bothers me.

Bothers Shock, too.
And Ultra.
And Nodak.

Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.
Where are the posts about that?

Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!
Where are the posts about that?

Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?
No posts about that!

Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!
No posts about that, either!

What is wrong with wanting your fellow fans to celebrate the good rather than dwelling on the bad?

=Z=


I agree.
There is a lot more negativity than there is positive posts and that is amazing to me when the team is 6-0.
I will be the first to say I was not happy that they let the Ravens back into a game in which was dominated for 3 quarters.
Regardless of who is playing that needs to be looked at because you bet other teams will be trying to exploit.
The problem is there were problems with the pass defense and the run defense in the 4th quarter.

However, this team did what it took to win.
Yes there was a little luck involved with the miss of a FG at the end.
But the offense is playing very well.
They did all game.
The defense played well for 3 quarters but as we all know sometimes it only takes a couple of plays to win ball games.
Therefore, the defense needs to re-focus themselves, watch film and correct those issues.
Other than that the Vikings played and beat a very good Raven ball club.
They are 6-0 and on their way to what could be a very magical season.



+1

Vikes took on a very tough team.
Major testament to the Vikes offense on their ability to excel in the air and the ground against a good D.

Great testament to the Ravens team to continue to battle, make adjustments, and exploit injuries.
Flacco is a heck of a QB, especially under pressure.

Currently the karma is going in the Vikes direction with the 9ers catch and the missed FG.
But how many times has the karma bit the Vikes in the butt?

It was a good win, a tough win, and the Vikes earned it as the Ravens played a great game.

AGENTORANGES
10-19-2009, 11:12 AM
This is my first post so be easy on me.....I'm not sure if someone already posted it, and I don't have the ability to put the link up.
I was wondering if anyone saw the article by John Clayton....Nfl notebook week 6...

Quote:
Favre had a funny exchange with Vikings coach Brad Childress late in the victory over the Ravens. Childress came over and told him that momentum was shifting to the Ravens and the Vikings needed to finish drives with touchdowns. Favre said his response was: "No s---, Sherlock."


I think that might be one of my new favorites, keep in mind Brett and Brad have a good relationship.
It is more like a joking friendly comment.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 11:14 AM
"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?



It's mind boggling because I've watched the play of both corners... Sapp was coming off a career game against the Rams... yet we put arguably our worst CB in to replace Winfield. Hence "Mind Boggling".... which is obviously correct, because Paymah looked awful and the Ravens almost came back to beat us... and they really should have won that game.


I will be the first to say I didn't watch the game vs the Rams but to judge on one game is your answer?
Again, I would think the coaching staff knows more than you or I as to who would be the better person at that position.
Sapp is mainly used as a nickle back.
Pahmah is the backup right now.
Again Sapp was hurt anyway so that is pretty much a moot point.
Sapp is pretty inconsistent himself as it is.
Unfortunately the depth in that position is not that deep it seems.


Fact is the Ravens should not have won.
They got their asses kicked for 3 quarters.
Props to them for coming back but it doesn't mean they should have won.
They put themselves in a position to win and didn't come through.
Why should a team that was beat bad for 3 quarters and couldn't pull through when it counted "should have won"?


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.

ejmat
10-19-2009, 11:16 AM
"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?



It's mind boggling because I've watched the play of both corners... Sapp was coming off a career game against the Rams... yet we put arguably our worst CB in to replace Winfield. Hence "Mind Boggling".... which is obviously correct, because Paymah looked awful and the Ravens almost came back to beat us... and they really should have won that game.


I will be the first to say I didn't watch the game vs the Rams but to judge on one game is your answer?
Again, I would think the coaching staff knows more than you or I as to who would be the better person at that position.
Sapp is mainly used as a nickle back.
Pahmah is the backup right now.
Again Sapp was hurt anyway so that is pretty much a moot point.
Sapp is pretty inconsistent himself as it is.
Unfortunately the depth in that position is not that deep it seems.


Fact is the Ravens should not have won.
They got their asses kicked for 3 quarters.
Props to them for coming back but it doesn't mean they should have won.
They put themselves in a position to win and didn't come through.
Why should a team that was beat bad for 3 quarters and couldn't pull through when it counted "should have won"?


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


Still doesn't mean he is better at the CB position than Pahmah.
Like I said I would agree more with the coaching staff's assessment that see them play and practice day in and day out over you or I that see maybe 20 minutes a week from the both of them combined.

Zeus
10-19-2009, 11:16 AM
"C" wrote:


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:17 AM
Skol and welcome.
I couldn't find the link, but it doesn't surprise me.
It seems that Favre and Childress have a very good workign relationship, built on mutual respect.
I like that.

Welcome to the greatest Vikings forum in the tubes.
Go introduce yourself in the free beer forum!

duvaldomo
10-19-2009, 11:18 AM
Ha funny, typical favre.
Welcome to PP.O

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 11:23 AM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:27 AM
"Freya" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.


Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!


Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?


Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!


=Z=


Awesome points.

And we are 6-0.

This was actually a good time for the defense to get slapped around a little.
Get them worked up, and get them to refocus going into what IMHO is going to be the toughest game in the schedule against Pittsburgh.

So we got a wake up call AND we still won.
I gotta say that I am still smiling. :)

Everyone said that they wanted to see us put up points against a tough Baltimore defense before they said we were for real.
And we did.
Our defense gave up 3 TDs in the 4th, and yes, that is a problem.
But I think we all know that was an aberration.
I think our defense has proven that they can play at a high level, I am inclined to forgive one bad quarter now and then.
Kudos to the Ravens for being able to mount a comeback like that.
It certainly made for an exciting game.

I understand that some people are still complaining... that's fine.
That is their prerogative if they only want to look at the negative.
I can't help but be happy though, and I am glad that there is a LOT more to be happy about than there is to complain about.
6-0 baby!


I agree with you for the most part, Nodak. However, the implosion yesterday was a clear indication that there is a problem. If the problem is that Winfield got hurt and Paymah got his jiggly butt handed to him, then fix it. If the problem is that the team had trouble maintaining momentum or stamina, then fix it. Whatever it is, it must be addressed because the way we won this game yesterday was like backing into the playoffs by the grace of someone else losing. And each time that that has happened we did nothing but prove it was a mistake that we made the playoffs at all. I can't forget the Superbowl games that we lost or our 1998 season that was lost for the very same reason that Baltimore lost yesterday. Yesterday, we were 2 seconds and one field goal away from losing. In a game where we mostly dominated. Two times we made it to the red zone and had to settle for points off longwell's shoe. Not good enough, imo. And certainly not good enough to win when the field has been narrowed to a select few. Certainly we brought Favre in for more than points from field goals. I wanna see it. Consistently.
It was stunning to win on a failed field goal, to be sure. But I hope it never happens again.


Not saying that there wasn't a problem yesterday.
But there are going to be games like that, no matter what the team.
So we learn from the problems and fix it, and still enjoy the fact that we are 6-0.

The way some people are reacting on here, it is hard to tell if we are 6-0 or 0-6.

Paul Allen was just on KFAN and he said it the best.
He said that there was undoubtedly a problem yesterday, but he can't go so far as to say it was a MAJOR problem.
Because if this team had MAJOR problems with our secondary, then we wouldn't be 6-0.

I agree with him.
Yes, we can take a lot of learning moments away from this game.
Yes, we sorely missed winfield, and depth at CB is a concern right now.
But should people be reacting as strongly as they are or lamenting an almost loss like it was the 1998 NFC Championship all over again?
Of course not.
Bottom line, win or lose that game yesterday, there were still a lot more positives than negatives, and I am excited.

Hell, we are going to lose a two, three, four, games this season.
Yesterday could have been one of those games, but it wasn't.
Neither team should be hanging their head after that game. The Vikings moved the ball at will most of the time.
In the biased lens of hindsight we can second guess some of the calls in the redzone, but in the end it was good enough to win.


That is exciting.
This season is exciting.
This team is exciting.
For the first time in a long time I look at the Vikings matchup each week and I KNOW that the game is winnable.
I KNOW that we are going to either win or give them a hell of a run for their money.
I KNOW that we are going to make it to the playoffs and I KNOW that we are going deeper than last year.
And I am pumped.

WHOOO HOOO! 6-0 baby!

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:31 AM
"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 11:34 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:37 AM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 11:40 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Freya" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.


Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!


Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?


Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!


=Z=


Awesome points.

And we are 6-0.

This was actually a good time for the defense to get slapped around a little.
Get them worked up, and get them to refocus going into what IMHO is going to be the toughest game in the schedule against Pittsburgh.

So we got a wake up call AND we still won.
I gotta say that I am still smiling. :)

Everyone said that they wanted to see us put up points against a tough Baltimore defense before they said we were for real.
And we did.
Our defense gave up 3 TDs in the 4th, and yes, that is a problem.
But I think we all know that was an aberration.
I think our defense has proven that they can play at a high level, I am inclined to forgive one bad quarter now and then.
Kudos to the Ravens for being able to mount a comeback like that.
It certainly made for an exciting game.

I understand that some people are still complaining... that's fine.
That is their prerogative if they only want to look at the negative.
I can't help but be happy though, and I am glad that there is a LOT more to be happy about than there is to complain about.
6-0 baby!


I agree with you for the most part, Nodak. However, the implosion yesterday was a clear indication that there is a problem. If the problem is that Winfield got hurt and Paymah got his jiggly butt handed to him, then fix it. If the problem is that the team had trouble maintaining momentum or stamina, then fix it. Whatever it is, it must be addressed because the way we won this game yesterday was like backing into the playoffs by the grace of someone else losing. And each time that that has happened we did nothing but prove it was a mistake that we made the playoffs at all. I can't forget the Superbowl games that we lost or our 1998 season that was lost for the very same reason that Baltimore lost yesterday. Yesterday, we were 2 seconds and one field goal away from losing. In a game where we mostly dominated. Two times we made it to the red zone and had to settle for points off longwell's shoe. Not good enough, imo. And certainly not good enough to win when the field has been narrowed to a select few. Certainly we brought Favre in for more than points from field goals. I wanna see it. Consistently.
It was stunning to win on a failed field goal, to be sure. But I hope it never happens again.



Paul Allen was just on KFAN and he said it the best.
He said that there was undoubtedly a problem yesterday, but he can't go so far as to say it was a MAJOR problem.
Because if this team had MAJOR problems with our secondary, then we wouldn't be 6-0.


We've also only played one real good QB, and our DLine harassed him all day long, the rest were second year players, or mediocre at best.
We're averaging 240 yards a game passing agasint us, and over the past 4 games, its probably closer 310.
I know yards don't translate to points all the time, but it allows them to sustain drives, and mount comebacks like the Packers and Ravens did.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 11:41 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.


He was in the game... that's why I'm arguing about his injury. Just because my opinion doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm on the defensive.

Sapp was on the field though, Injury or not... and probably still would have been better than Paymah (how could he have been worse?)

After all the arguments this summer, I guess the injury excuse can only be thrown out when it's not supporting Jackson, but can't say I'm too surprised. I was just using your guys' logic that injury excuses are just cry babies looking for reasons for poor play.

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 11:42 AM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:






Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.


He was in the game... that's why I'm arguing about his injury. Just because my opinion doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm on the defensive.

Sapp was on the field though, Injury or not... and probably still would have been better than Paymah (how could he have been worse?)

After all the arguments this summer, I guess the injury excuse can only be thrown out when it's not supporting Jackson, but can't say I'm too surprised. I was just using your guys' logic that injury excuses are just cry babies looking for excuses for poor play.



awww.. you were doing so well not stirring the pot even more until this point ;)

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 11:43 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:








Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.


He was in the game... that's why I'm arguing about his injury. Just because my opinion doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm on the defensive.

Sapp was on the field though, Injury or not... and probably still would have been better than Paymah (how could he have been worse?)

After all the arguments this summer, I guess the injury excuse can only be thrown out when it's not supporting Jackson, but can't say I'm too surprised. I was just using your guys' logic that injury excuses are just cry babies looking for excuses for poor play.



awww.. you were doing so well not stirring the pot even more until this point ;)


It's merely the truth. If people get stirred up about it, it's only because they know it's true.

V4L
10-19-2009, 11:49 AM
Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:52 AM
"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:






Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.


He was in the game... that's why I'm arguing about his injury. Just because my opinion doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm on the defensive.

Sapp was on the field though, Injury or not... and probably still would have been better than Paymah (how could he have been worse?)

After all the arguments this summer, I guess the injury excuse can only be thrown out when it's not supporting Jackson, but can't say I'm too surprised. I was just using your guys' logic that injury excuses are just cry babies looking for reasons for poor play.




Are you trying to start a pissing contest with everybody today?

Christ - I agreed with you that I think Sapp should have been at corner instead of Paymeh.
What I didn't agree with was your contention that Sapp was not injured.
Just because someone comes back on the field doesn't mean that they aren't injured.
Where am I using Sapp's injury as any kind of excuse?
Seriously, why are you just trying to pick fights?

And WTF does any of this have to do with Jackson?
Are you STILL on that cause?

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 11:53 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 11:55 AM
"Sannop" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As to the Noodle Arm thing, finally, after 6 weeks you have something to grab ahold of.......That really proves me wrong doesn't it.
HA
;)

(By the By, how about the
first pass to Rice and Shanc?
Off target.
How about when he launched it over Rices head in the endzone.
Rice ran the perfect route and hand his defender screened out of the play......Of target.
LNAD LNAD LNAD. Even the announcers marveled at what great catches our recievers were making when he was off with his throws.....)
;D
;D
;D
;D


Correct, that was a bad throw.
But are you willing to give him the credit for the first deep pass interference when he created an offsides and then immediately went for the home run on the free play?



How about the TD in the GB game
(to Berrian )
when he noticed the safety out of position so he did a quick snap, pumped faked Woodson, and hit a wide open receiver that HE created?

Go check out the "Official Crow Eating Thread".
I address that stuff in there.
Just want to stay with the game stuff here.
;)

tastywaves
10-19-2009, 11:55 AM
"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


Last time I checked, nobody gets crowned after week 6.
Only thing that matters at this point is that you are still in a position to play in the post season and we are doing quite well in that regard.
There are 10 more games to get this team ready for playoffs, until then, all that matters is getting the win.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:55 AM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 11:56 AM
"tastywaves" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


Nobody gets crowned after week 6.


you are still in a position to play in the post season a

There are 10 more games to get this team ready for playoffs.


read it, live it, love it.

Overlord
10-19-2009, 11:57 AM
Well, that's the NFL for you.

Keep in mind that even good teams play poorly at times.
The 49ers defense is pretty good, but they got torched by the Falcons last week.
We all remember the Vikings destroying the Giants just a few months before they won the Super Bowl in 2007-08.
None of that changes the fact that the D looked terrible in the fourth quarter yesterday.
But the team probably isn't going to play that way the rest of the year.
It's just the last thing we saw so we have that bad taste in our mouths.

Two months from now the Viking could look like world beaters or they could be fighting for a wildcard.
A month after that they could be gearing up for a trip to Miami or done for year.

I really enjoy watching this Vikings team, as each unit (even the special teams) has the ability to play well.
NFL.com has a pretty cool new feature where users vote on how good they thought the game was.
The Vikes have had some of the best all season with the 49ers, Packers, and now Ravens games being very entertaining.
Being 6-0 is an added bonus.

I also feel like the Vikings can be competitive with any team in the NFL.
So I'm looking forward to some more good ones.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 11:57 AM
"Marrdro" wrote:


"Sannop" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As to the Noodle Arm thing, finally, after 6 weeks you have something to grab ahold of.......That really proves me wrong doesn't it.
HA
;)

(By the By, how about the
first pass to Rice and Shanc?
Off target.
How about when he launched it over Rices head in the endzone.
Rice ran the perfect route and hand his defender screened out of the play......Of target.
LNAD LNAD LNAD. Even the announcers marveled at what great catches our recievers were making when he was off with his throws.....)
;D
;D
;D
;D


Correct, that was a bad throw.
But are you willing to give him the credit for the first deep pass interference when he created an offsides and then immediately went for the home run on the free play?



How about the TD in the GB game
(to Berrian )
when he noticed the safety out of position so he did a quick snap, pumped faked Woodson, and hit a wide open receiver that HE created?

Go check out the "Official Crow Eating Thread".
I address that stuff in there.
Just want to stay with the game stuff here.

;)


I think the good and bad both are relevent to the game.
You can't hide the good stuff about what he did in another thread and then only talk about the stuff you didn't like here.

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 11:57 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


To everyone who says we got lucky - BS.

The Ravens got lucky to mount a 3 TD 4th quarter.
They were lucky to be in the position to win.
Their luck just didn't hold out.

The Vikings owned the majority of that game, and were the better team yesterday.
We ABSOLUTELY deserved to win.

And people need to wake the f up when they beeyatch about the playcalling too.
I saw THREE different passing plays out of strong formations, with Kliensauser lining up in the slot!
THREE!
I saw runs out of slot formations, and there is no way - NO WAY - that people can claim that it is predictiable now.
Was it conservative? Yes.
That is part of our offensive scheme, and it kills me that people are bitching about it.
WE HAVE PUT UP AT LEAST 27 POINTS EVERY GAME THIS YEAR, and people still say that we are too conservative on offense, or we are playing not to lose.

In case anybody is curious, we are the second highest scoring team in the NFL right now.
Too conservative?
Give me a break.

The playcalling was very good yesterday.
In fact, it was good enough to win.

We had a great offensive show against a good defensive team.
We are 6-0.
Was it perfect? Nope.
And we are probably going to have a couple more games this year that aren't perfect anyway.
In the end, what matters is the final score.

I like you when your dander gets all riled up.
;)

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 11:58 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 12:01 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


Nobody gets crowned after week 6.


you are still in a position to play in the post season a

There are 10 more games to get this team ready for playoffs.


read it, live it, love it.


I agree completely.
Only why did you chop tasty's post?
You left out the parts in red:

"tastywaves" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


Last time I checked, nobody gets crowned after week 6.
Only thing that matters at this point is that you are still in a position to play in the post season and we are doing quite well in that regard.
There are 10 more games to get this team ready for playoffs, until then, all that matters is getting the win.


I think that tasty was right on.
Nobody is corwning anybody yet.
In fact, I think that the Saints are the team to beat right now.
But I also know that the Vikings aren't exactly a pushover, and they have a helluva good chance to go far this year.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 12:01 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Interesting... I thought it was just me. Thanks IBP, for bringing some clarity and sanity to the boards.

V4L
10-19-2009, 12:02 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Yah lol I try to steer clear of that

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 12:03 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"tastywaves" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


Nobody gets crowned after week 6.


you are still in a position to play in the post season a

There are 10 more games to get this team ready for playoffs.


read it, live it, love it.


I agree completely.
Only why did you chop tasty's post?
You left out the parts in red:

"tastywaves" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


Last time I checked, nobody gets crowned after week 6.
Only thing that matters at this point is that you are still in a position to play in the post season and we are doing quite well in that regard.
There are 10 more games to get this team ready for playoffs, until then, all that matters is getting the win.


I think that tasty was right on.
Nobody is corwning anybody yet.
In fact, I think that the Saints are the team to beat right now.
But I also know that the Vikings aren't exactly a pushover, and they have a helluva good chance to go far this year.


I chopped it because I thought those were the points that some people here could stand to read a few times.
Yes, we're 6-0, and thats a fantastic start. Just keep in mind the season is 16 games long and our weaknesses are starting to become exposed.
This place is bad enough after a win, its going to be mayhem once we lose.

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 12:03 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


Sid Rice had a breakout game yesterday.


Favre became just the 4th QB in Vikings history to post 3 consecutive games with a passer rating over 100!


Peterson broke through after 4 games with under 100 yards with a 143-yard performance?


Only 3 5-yard penalties were assessed yesterday!


=Z=


Awesome points.

And we are 6-0.

This was actually a good time for the defense to get slapped around a little.
Get them worked up, and get them to refocus going into what IMHO is going to be the toughest game in the schedule against Pittsburgh.

So we got a wake up call AND we still won.
I gotta say that I am still smiling. :)

Everyone said that they wanted to see us put up points against a tough Baltimore defense before they said we were for real.
And we did.
Our defense gave up 3 TDs in the 4th, and yes, that is a problem.
But I think we all know that was an aberration.
I think our defense has proven that they can play at a high level, I am inclined to forgive one bad quarter now and then.
Kudos to the Ravens for being able to mount a comeback like that.
It certainly made for an exciting game.

I understand that some people are still complaining... that's fine.
That is their prerogative if they only want to look at the negative.
I can't help but be happy though, and I am glad that there is a LOT more to be happy about than there is to complain about.
6-0 baby!

I think the biggests problem here is that our defense hasn't played as well as some think.
When that is pointed out week in and week out, sooooommmmmme people get thier panties all in a tither and we are told to quit being so negative.

As I say each and every week, the best thing about this site (at least it used to be) was that we could discuss the good and the BAD without all the bickering.

Not sure why this has changed.

Bad to the thread.

Great job O, except when you couldn't close out the last 5 minutes or so) of the game.

Bad job D for letting them back in the game.

Good job on ST's for Punts, bad job on ST's for KO's.
;D

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 12:03 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:








Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.


He was in the game... that's why I'm arguing about his injury. Just because my opinion doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm on the defensive.

Sapp was on the field though, Injury or not... and probably still would have been better than Paymah (how could he have been worse?)

After all the arguments this summer, I guess the injury excuse can only be thrown out when it's not supporting Jackson, but can't say I'm too surprised. I was just using your guys' logic that injury excuses are just cry babies looking for reasons for poor play.




Are you trying to start a pissing contest with everybody today?

Christ - I agreed with you that I think Sapp should have been at corner instead of Paymeh.
What I didn't agree with was your contention that Sapp was not injured.
Just because someone comes back on the field doesn't mean that they aren't injured.
Where am I using Sapp's injury as any kind of excuse?
Seriously, why are you just trying to pick fights?

And WTF does any of this have to do with Jackson?
Are you STILL on that cause?


No, I'm "on the cause" of people having double standards and only looking at things from certain perspectives when it suits their arguments, while calling someone else a "whiner" or "bitch".

lakehubertviking
10-19-2009, 12:04 PM
"AGENTORANGES" wrote:


This is my first post so be easy on me.....I'm not sure if someone already posted it, and I don't have the ability to put the link up.
I was wondering if anyone saw the article by John Clayton....Nfl notebook week 6...

Quote:
Favre had a funny exchange with Vikings coach Brad Childress late in the victory over the Ravens. Childress came over and told him that momentum was shifting to the Ravens and the Vikings needed to finish drives with touchdowns. Favre said his response was: "No s---, Sherlock."


I think that might be one of my new favorites, keep in mind Brett and Brad have a good relationship.
It is more like a joking friendly comment.


I couldn't find that either but it sounds funny.
I was watching Monday Morning Quarterback on ESPN News this morning when they were giving JA guff about the barking little dog in the background being a Chihuahua and how he should have a Mastiff or something.
I think he said his labs were in the garage and he had to make an excuse about dog sitting a poodle, pretty funny.


Anyways, welcome to the boards.

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 12:05 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:


"Sannop" wrote:


"Marrdro" wrote:



As to the Noodle Arm thing, finally, after 6 weeks you have something to grab ahold of.......That really proves me wrong doesn't it.
HA
;)

(By the By, how about the
first pass to Rice and Shanc?
Off target.
How about when he launched it over Rices head in the endzone.
Rice ran the perfect route and hand his defender screened out of the play......Of target.
LNAD LNAD LNAD. Even the announcers marveled at what great catches our recievers were making when he was off with his throws.....)
;D
;D
;D
;D


Correct, that was a bad throw.
But are you willing to give him the credit for the first deep pass interference when he created an offsides and then immediately went for the home run on the free play?



How about the TD in the GB game
(to Berrian )
when he noticed the safety out of position so he did a quick snap, pumped faked Woodson, and hit a wide open receiver that HE created?

Go check out the "Official Crow Eating Thread".
I address that stuff in there.
Just want to stay with the game stuff here.

;)


I think the good and bad both are relevent to the game.
You can't hide the good stuff about what he did in another thread and then only talk about the stuff you didn't like here.

Yea, one would think, however, I don't think I have the liberty to hack on him for what he did wrong in this thread what with all the "We don't want to hear from you negative nancy" posts.


By the by, I gave him props and hacked on him a bit in my original post in this thread.
Kindof negates your point my friend.
Still think your the smartest cat on this page though.
;)

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 12:05 PM
"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Interesting... I thought it was just me. Thanks IBP, for bringing some clarity and sanity to the boards.


Whats better yet, is if I or anyone else say "The line needs work, Sullivan doesn't look good yet"
I get jumped on, yet I distinctly recall Caine writing a fucking essay length post about how bad the blocking was, and Del rio came back after the browns game saying how bad the blocking was, and they get "Wow, I didn't know that, you must know your stuff, so I'm going to agree with you" crap, because Del's aparantly a football god and what he says will be taken as gospel, and i guess if you don't write massive posts with every miniscule detail covered like Caine is good at, you're just being negative.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 12:07 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Interesting... I thought it was just me. Thanks IBP, for bringing some clarity and sanity to the boards.


Whats better yet, is if I or anyone else say "The line needs work, Sullivan doesn't look good yet"
I get jumped on, yet I distinctly recall Caine writing a fucking essay length post about how bad the blocking was, and Del rio came back after the browns game saying how bad the blocking was, and they get "Wow, I didn't know that, you must know your stuff, so I'm going to agree with you" crap, because Del's aparantly a football god and what he says will be taken as gospel, and i guess if you don't write massive posts with every miniscule detail covered like Caine is good at, you're just being negative.


Yes, there are a certain few who want to control everything about the boards, so much that its sent some very beloved members off packing.

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 12:07 PM
"tastywaves" wrote:


Reading through this thread I see we have some great new members to PPO including echizen20 and eldin.
Welcome to PPO and keep it coming.
You'll figure out the cast of characters soon enough and know how to read through it.

I'm ecstatic that we are 6-0 no matter how we got here at this point.
All that matters at this point in the season is our record.
At the end of the year, what matters is that we are firing on all cylinders.
The Saints are setting the world on fire right now and are easily the best team in football.
Will this continue into the playoffs, or will they pull a Tennessee?


When Winfield went down, our depth at db showed big time.
I was surprised that Paymah was kept over Macauley simply because of the ability to replace Winfield or Griffin.
I'm not a big fan of Macauley, but he was a much better outside corner than Paymah or Sapp.
However, as Marrdro pointed out, I think the bigger problem is in the coordination between the safeties and corners.
I put this more on the safeties as it looks to me like they are constantly making the wrong decisions.
Paymah should not be put on an island with an outside receiver when the Ravens are in catchup mode.
Flacco is going to take that matchup every time and just chuck it up there hoping his guy makes the play.
More often than not, the WR will make the play.


Part of why our pass defense looks bad especially yesterday is because the Ravens were forced to go deep a lot.
With Flacco buying enough time to deliver good throws, it puts a lot of pressure on a cb to hold coverage over a large distance.
Our corners do not excel in this type of coverage and need help from the safeties.
If we start blitzing and still give Flacco time to deliver, then blame Leslie or blame the blitzers, not just the corner.


If Paymah starts next week in place of Winfield, then be worried.
I think we will have a lot of nickel and dime packages in place against the new pass happy Steelers.
Really need Winfield for next week.



Doesn't happen alot, but this is one of those instances when I just want to reach through the puter and hand someone a award........Say, something like a Beast or two...... :o

Top shelf my friend.
Top shelf indeed.
;)

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 12:11 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"ejmat" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


You'd think someone would have decided to put Sapp in to replace Winfield... not Paymah. Seemed pretty obvious. Either way, they attacked Paymah and almost won the game. Mind boggling.


I believe that Sapp was injured at about the same time as Winfield.
I know that Abdullah was playing the slot at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Then, in the 2nd half, the corners were Griffin, Sapp and Paymah, with Sapp playing the slot.

=Z=


My question is why is it "mind boggling"?
Does CMac know more than the coaches do as far as who can play the postion better?
What has Sapp done to say he is better?



It's mind boggling because I've watched the play of both corners... Sapp was coming off a career game against the Rams... yet we put arguably our worst CB in to replace Winfield. Hence "Mind Boggling".... which is obviously correct, because Paymah looked awful and the Ravens almost came back to beat us... and they really should have won that game.


I agree with C Mac about Sapp playing better than Paymah, especially recently.
It boggled my mind as well to see Paymah in for Winfield and Sapp still at nickle.
I wonder if he excels in the nickle but can't play straight corner?
I don't know.
I also heard on the radio that Sapp took a pretty good hit to the head, and played for a lot of the game with a concussion.
I didn't realize that.

As far as saying the Ravens should have won that game.. I completely disagree.
They were lucky to be able to mount a very impressive comeback in the 4th Q, and Ray Rice was really amazing.
But the Vikings were the better team for 50 out of 60 minutes in that game.
The Vikings should have won the game, and they did.
A little too close to call, and we learned some stuff about our backup secondary.
But the Vikings still deserved that win.

I actually thought he was out from most of the game.
Several times we only had our base defense out there (4 DB's) when I thought for sure we would be in atleast nickle or dime.

I assumed they weren't in that look cause both Sapp and Whinny were out.

Interesting that you say he came back and played hurt.
I never saw that.
:o

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 12:12 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Could you show me those replies?
Because I don't recall anyone saying that, or even anything close to it.

All three of your points are good ones.


We are 6-0, but we still have work to do.
We could have easily lost the last game.
The coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead.

I agree 100% with all of that.
And I also think that we are a pretty damn good team right now - despite those points.

Nobody is disagreeing that there are some areas that we need to address.
Most of the earlier stuff was just C Mac doing what he does best - starting pissing contests and arguing with people.
Outside the stupid dialog between C Mac and Z, are there really people in here who are saying that we don't have any issues?
I don't think so.
There are just people who are looking at the situation differently.

You are entitled to your opinions, and I won't disagree with them.
But I am still excited, and it is OK for anyone else who wants to be excited as well.
If you can't get excited at 6-0 with one of the top two offenses in the NFL and a defense that is known for its good play much more than its bad play, well then when CAN you get excited?
When exactly is it permissable for us to be excited about our team?

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 12:13 PM
"Zeus" wrote:


"C" wrote:


Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?

=Z=

See, thats what I thought happened.
Nodack had me confused a bit when he said Sapp played after he was hurt.
About when did he get back in, I don't remember ever seeing him.

Might have been cause I was seeing to much red.
;D
;D

ItalianStallion
10-19-2009, 12:14 PM
As bad as our defense (esp. Paymah and T.Johnson) played today, I still remember the defenses we used to field the last time our offense would score 30+ points a game.

I guess all we can hope is the collapse was an anomaly and they've learned something from this game...

Zeus
10-19-2009, 12:14 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"C" wrote:


"Zeus" wrote:




Sapp was not hurt and played the entire second half.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/64709892.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU


Nickel back Benny Sapp was dizzy after a second-quarter hit, and the medical staff took his helmet so that he wouldn't try to get back into the game.

"They did the right thing," said Sapp, who was able to return in the second half.

Their absences left the Vikings thin at cornerback. Paymah replaced Winfield and safety Husain Abdullah moved into the nickel role for the first time since high school.

"[Defensive backs coach Joe Woods] has been teaching it to me, telling me I'm the emergency guy if something happens," Abdullah said. "Antoine went down, Sapp went down. He looked at me and said, 'You ready?' I'm like, 'Let's go.' "


Except for that bit, you mean, right?


Doesn't sound injured to me...


PA and Winfield were on KFAN talking about Sapp playing hurt the second quarter.
Something about a head injury possible concussion.
I don't know much more about it.
If the medical staff actually takes a player's helmet away som he wouldn't force his way back into the game... that sounds like it was more than just a bell ringer.



... and yet he played the second half of the game. Doesn't sound like much more than a bell ringer.

Also, I find it funny that you guys are using a questionable injury to Sapp for an excuse for Paymah's poor play. It was a coaching decision, just like when they had Marcus McCauley cover Santana Moss the entire game a couple years ago. There really seems to be a lack of understanding of secondary coverage in our scheme.


Get off the defensive and read my posts before you react.
I agreed with you that Sapp should have been in Winfield's spot, and I don't know why he was still playing nickle when Paymah was getting owned.


Doesn't change the fact that Sapp was hurt though, and IDK why you are trying to argue that he wasn't. ??? Several reports are coming out saying that he was playing injured.
I don't think we had much of a choice though, as a concussed Sapp was still better than any of the alternatives we had.


Paymah is listed as the backup to Winfield at the LCB spot.
Sapp is listed as Griffin's backup at RCB.
Sapp practices all week as the nickle CB, playing the slot.
Someone needs to explain to me why putting Sapp at a position where he does not practice and Paymah at a position where he does not practice is such a great idea.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 12:15 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"V4L" wrote:


Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Could you show me those replies?
Because I don't recall anyone saying that, or even anything close to it.

All three of your points are good ones.


We are 6-0, but we still have work to do.
We could have easily lost the last game.
The coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead.

I agree 100% with all of that.
And I also think that we are a pretty damn good team right now - despite those points.

Nobody is disagreeing that there are some areas that we need to address.
Most of the earlier stuff was just C Mac doing what he does best - starting pissing contests and arguing with people.
Outside the stupid dialog between C Mac and Z, are there really people in here who are saying that we don't have any issues?
I don't think so.
There are just people who are looking at the situation differently.

You are entitled to your opinions, and I won't disagree with them.
But I am still excited, and it is OK for anyone else who wants to be excited as well.
If you can't get excited at 6-0 with one of the top two offenses in the NFL and a defense that is known for its good play much more than its bad play, well then when CAN you get excited?
When exactly is it permissable for us to be excited about our team?


its not you, go to the "Still got a beef with Brad Childress?" thread.
I bring up that last point, and get told essentially to stfu because we are 6-0 and be happy with that.

And don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the 6-0 start.
There are guys talking 16-0 already, which is way too premature.
With the way we've failed to finish games recently, we'll have alot of work to do if we want to attain that.


Its like this, your a track runner who won your city track meet in the 100M by only a little bit.
Sure you're real good, but once you go to state, you'll need to keep training and get even better if you want a shot to win that.
We're the track runner.
we've won our city championship, but the tough opponents are still ahead.
We can't just coast on what we know now, we have to keep getting better and fix our mistakes, and believe me, our mistakes weren't limited to our backups forced into action.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 12:18 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


Whats better yet, is if I or anyone else say "The line needs work, Sullivan doesn't look good yet"
I get jumped on, yet I distinctly recall Caine writing a fricken essay length post about how bad the blocking was, and Del rio came back after the browns game saying how bad the blocking was, and they get "Wow, I didn't know that, you must know your stuff, so I'm going to agree with you" crap, because Del's aparantly a football god and what he says will be taken as gospel, and i guess if you don't write massive posts with every miniscule detail covered like Caine is good at, you're just being negative.


To be fair ipb, you didn't come on and say "The line needs work, Sullivan doesn't look good yet"

You said:
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


My pre cool-down rant

Likes
first two drives - great playcalling, great execution
Sidney Rice had a great game, 178 yards.
If only he had a bit of speed he would have turned one of those field goals into a TD, but i guess we can't have everything (wait, we used to then we traded him for Troy Williamson)
Favre.
Can't complain about 3 TD's

dislikes
everything else.

floop childress
floop Paymah
floop Tyrell Johnson
floop Naufahu Tahi
floop John Sullivan
floop Chad Greenway and his coverage
floop Tyrell Johnson and Tahi again
floop suit dummies;
as a matter of fact floop legal aid.
floop Danny and Terry's Buffalo Chicken Wings.
floop all the old wood in here.
floop the moon,
floop corn on the cob,
floop squirrels.
floop me,
floop you,
floop everything!
and lastly
floop Bevell and his god awful poohie playcalling.


Seriosly Bevell, grow a pair of balls and stop playing to not lose.
Start trying to win games, not getting up by 14 then coasting.


;)
Let's be honest - that was being negative.
When you start like that, it is kind of hard to revert back to being objective...

V-Unit
10-19-2009, 12:20 PM
Well, I hope all the overreactions have come and gone by now. In the end, it was a good win against a good team. We were simply the better team for 3 quarters, but that defensive collapse erased all of it. Our offense however played well for all 4 quarters.

- I don't think anyone predicted us to jump out to that early lead like we did. Very nice to see the offense clicking against a good offense.
- We stopped running it a bit in the first half and I was angry. Eventually we proved that balanced offense was the goal.
- The offsides calls were extremely puzzling? I've never seen anything like it. I'm not going to crucify the DL for it, but I would like an explanation.
- We went up 27-10 in that fourth quarter and I'm thinking. Game Over. Great offense. Great defense. Great win. I'm guessing we were all thinking that.
- Pathetic defense in the fourth quarter. We simply fell asleep. I can handle one big run by Rice, but certainly not two. Atrocious tackling on the screen to Rice as well. Those three plays alone were what costs us the lead. The drive that led to the missed FG also pissed me off.
- Amazingly, our offense was able to keep pace, barely. Those two FG drives, although they were only FGs, were a result of big plays of our own. Great job offense.
- I was disappointed that Harvin and Berrian were not more involved, but Rice had a simply awesome and career day. Hat's off to him. Also, Peterson is Peterson, and Favre is Favre. Enough said.
- This is what I'm talking about when I say that we are better off giving up big days to TEs rather than WRs.

I really need that crisis mode is unnecessary. We need to look at this as one terrible quarter of defensive play. I'm willing to treat it as an anomaly, but am cautiously optimistic. Furthermore, I'm not just happy about the win. I'm happy about the way we won. It is very rare that the team can get a wake up call like this, but still win the game. Hopefully we will correct some flaws exposed, without losing confidence.

SKOL

grpape
10-19-2009, 12:20 PM
"shockzilla" wrote:


I for one am already getting sick of the negative nancies - we're 6-and-fricken-0, people! Let's enjoy it for Christ sakes!!!!


I'll jump on your bus!
;D

Marrdro
10-19-2009, 12:21 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:


As bad as our defense (esp. Paymah and T.Johnson) played today, I still remember the defenses we used to field the last time our offense would score 30+ points a game.
I guess all we can hope is the collapse was an anomaly and they've learned something from this game...

Excellent point my friend.

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 12:24 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:




Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Could you show me those replies?
Because I don't recall anyone saying that, or even anything close to it.

All three of your points are good ones.


We are 6-0, but we still have work to do.
We could have easily lost the last game.
The coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead.

I agree 100% with all of that.
And I also think that we are a pretty gol 'darnit good team right now - despite those points.

Nobody is disagreeing that there are some areas that we need to address.
Most of the earlier stuff was just C Mac doing what he does best - starting pissing contests and arguing with people.
Outside the stupid dialog between C Mac and Z, are there really people in here who are saying that we don't have any issues?
I don't think so.
There are just people who are looking at the situation differently.

You are entitled to your opinions, and I won't disagree with them.
But I am still excited, and it is OK for anyone else who wants to be excited as well.
If you can't get excited at 6-0 with one of the top two offenses in the NFL and a defense that is known for its good play much more than its bad play, well then when CAN you get excited?
When exactly is it permissable for us to be excited about our team?


its not you, go to the "Still got a beef with Brad Childress?" thread.
I bring up that last point, and get told essentially to stfu because we are 6-0 and be happy with that.

And don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the 6-0 start.
There are guys talking 16-0 already, which is way too premature.
With the way we've failed to finish games recently, we'll have alot of work to do if we want to attain that.


Its like this, your a track runner who won your city track meet in the 100M by only a little bit.
Sure you're real good, but once you go to state, you'll need to keep training and get even better if you want a shot to win that.
We're the track runner.
we've won our city championship, but the tough opponents are still ahead.
We can't just coast on what we know now, we have to keep getting better and fix our mistakes, and believe me, our mistakes weren't limited to our backups forced into action.


Again, I refer to the paragraph in blue.
Also, find me one person thinks we are going to go 16-0.

And I agree with your analogy.
And I know that we need to continue to get better.
But even with our mistakes, let's not overlook the fact that we are one of the better "track runners" in the state right now.
We may or may not be the best, and there are one or two other runners who are looking more the part.


Let's not focus so hard on the mistakes that we forget to celebrate that city championship...

NodakPaul
10-19-2009, 12:26 PM
"V" wrote:


Well, I hope all the overreactions have come and gone by now. In the end, it was a good win against a good team. We were simply the better team for 3 quarters, but that defensive collapse erased all of it. Our offense however played well for all 4 quarters.

- I don't think anyone predicted us to jump out to that early lead like we did. Very nice to see the offense clicking against a good offense.
- We stopped running it a bit in the first half and I was angry. Eventually we proved that balanced offense was the goal.
- The offsides calls were extremely puzzling? I've never seen anything like it. I'm not going to crucify the DL for it, but I would like an explanation.
- We went up 27-10 in that fourth quarter and I'm thinking. Game Over. Great offense. Great defense. Great win. I'm guessing we were all thinking that.
- Pathetic defense in the fourth quarter. We simply fell asleep. I can handle one big run by Rice, but certainly not two. Atrocious tackling on the screen to Rice as well. Those three plays alone were what costs us the lead. The drive that led to the missed FG also pissed me off.
- Amazingly, our offense was able to keep pace, barely. Those two FG drives, although they were only FGs, were a result of big plays of our own. Great job offense.
- I was disappointed that Harvin and Berrian were not more involved, but Rice had a simply awesome and career day. Hat's off to him. Also, Peterson is Peterson, and Favre is Favre. Enough said.
- This is what I'm talking about when I say that we are better off giving up big days to TEs rather than WRs.

I really need that crisis mode is unnecessary. We need to look at this as one terrible quarter of defensive play. I'm willing to treat it as an anomaly, but am cautiously optimistic. Furthermore, I'm not just happy about the win. I'm happy about the way we won. It is very rare that the team can get a wake up call like this, but still win the game. Hopefully we will correct some flaws exposed, without losing confidence.

SKOL


Great post V.

C Mac D
10-19-2009, 12:27 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"V" wrote:


Well, I hope all the overreactions have come and gone by now. In the end, it was a good win against a good team. We were simply the better team for 3 quarters, but that defensive collapse erased all of it. Our offense however played well for all 4 quarters.

- I don't think anyone predicted us to jump out to that early lead like we did. Very nice to see the offense clicking against a good offense.
- We stopped running it a bit in the first half and I was angry. Eventually we proved that balanced offense was the goal.
- The offsides calls were extremely puzzling? I've never seen anything like it. I'm not going to crucify the DL for it, but I would like an explanation.
- We went up 27-10 in that fourth quarter and I'm thinking. Game Over. Great offense. Great defense. Great win. I'm guessing we were all thinking that.
- Pathetic defense in the fourth quarter. We simply fell asleep. I can handle one big run by Rice, but certainly not two. Atrocious tackling on the screen to Rice as well. Those three plays alone were what costs us the lead. The drive that led to the missed FG also pissed me off.
- Amazingly, our offense was able to keep pace, barely. Those two FG drives, although they were only FGs, were a result of big plays of our own. Great job offense.
- I was disappointed that Harvin and Berrian were not more involved, but Rice had a simply awesome and career day. Hat's off to him. Also, Peterson is Peterson, and Favre is Favre. Enough said.
- This is what I'm talking about when I say that we are better off giving up big days to TEs rather than WRs.

I really need that crisis mode is unnecessary. We need to look at this as one terrible quarter of defensive play. I'm willing to treat it as an anomaly, but am cautiously optimistic. Furthermore, I'm not just happy about the win. I'm happy about the way we won. It is very rare that the team can get a wake up call like this, but still win the game. Hopefully we will correct some flaws exposed, without losing confidence.

SKOL


Great post V.


+1

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 12:32 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


Whats better yet, is if I or anyone else say "The line needs work, Sullivan doesn't look good yet"
I get jumped on, yet I distinctly recall Caine writing a fricken essay length post about how bad the blocking was, and Del rio came back after the browns game saying how bad the blocking was, and they get "Wow, I didn't know that, you must know your stuff, so I'm going to agree with you" crap, because Del's aparantly a football god and what he says will be taken as gospel, and i guess if you don't write massive posts with every miniscule detail covered like Caine is good at, you're just being negative.


To be fair ipb, you didn't come on and say "The line needs work, Sullivan doesn't look good yet"

You said:
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


My pre cool-down rant

Likes
first two drives - great playcalling, great execution
Sidney Rice had a great game, 178 yards.
If only he had a bit of speed he would have turned one of those field goals into a TD, but i guess we can't have everything (wait, we used to then we traded him for Troy Williamson)
Favre.
Can't complain about 3 TD's

dislikes
everything else.

floop childress
floop Paymah
floop Tyrell Johnson
floop Naufahu Tahi
floop John Sullivan
floop Chad Greenway and his coverage
floop Tyrell Johnson and Tahi again
floop suit dummies;
as a matter of fact floop legal aid.
floop Danny and Terry's Buffalo Chicken Wings.
floop all the old wood in here.
floop the moon,
floop corn on the cob,
floop squirrels.
floop me,
floop you,
floop everything!
and lastly
floop Bevell and his god awful poohie playcalling.


Seriosly Bevell, grow a pair of balls and stop playing to not lose.
Start trying to win games, not getting up by 14 then coasting.


;)
Let's be honest - that was being negative.
When you start like that, it is kind of hard to revert back to being objective...


no, I was talking about week 1.
People were all over Sullivan's balls because he made a block, but failed to notice he also missed a fair number too.

this part:

floop suit dummies;
as a matter of fact floop legal aid.
floop Danny and Terry's Buffalo Chicken Wings.
floop all the old wood in here.
floop the moon,
floop corn on the cob,
floop squirrels.
floop me,
floop you,
floop everything!

was a quote from a movie, still waiting to see if anyone catches on to it.

i_bleed_purple
10-19-2009, 12:33 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:


"i_bleed_purple" wrote:


"NodakPaul" wrote:






Not quite on the crown the Vikes crowd yet


so there's at least three people that haven't let 6-0 go to their heads yet.
Good for you.


Yeah.
This team sucks.
I don't even know why we are playing...
::)


lol, I love it how whenever someone says something that might be remotely considered bad about this team, they get jumped on.

"we're 6-0, but we have lots of work to do still"
reply: "No, quit being negative, FU"
"we could have easily lost last game" reply: "No, we deserved to win, it was pure skill on our part that Haushcka missed that field goal"
"the coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead"
reply "No, I'm sure Childress planned all along to let the Ravens in the game twice, then win in a heartstopping finish"


Could you show me those replies?
Because I don't recall anyone saying that, or even anything close to it.

All three of your points are good ones.


We are 6-0, but we still have work to do.
We could have easily lost the last game.
The coaching and gameplanning seems to get soft once we get a semi-comfortable lead.

I agree 100% with all of that.
And I also think that we are a pretty gol 'darnit good team right now - despite those points.

Nobody is disagreeing that there are some areas that we need to address.
Most of the earlier stuff was just C Mac doing what he does best - starting pissing contests and arguing with people.
Outside the stupid dialog between C Mac and Z, are there really people in here who are saying that we don't have any issues?
I don't think so.
There are just people who are looking at the situation differently.

You are entitled to your opinions, and I won't disagree with them.
But I am still excited, and it is OK for anyone else who wants to be excited as well.
If you can't get excited at 6-0 with one of the top two offenses in the NFL and a defense that is known for its good play much more than its bad play, well then when CAN you get excited?
When exactly is it permissable for us to be excited about our team?


its not you, go to the "Still got a beef with Brad Childress?" thread.
I bring up that last point, and get told essentially to stfu because we are 6-0 and be happy with that.

And don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the 6-0 start.
There are guys talking 16-0 already, which is way too premature.
With the way we've failed to finish games recently, we'll have alot of work to do if we want to attain that.


Its like this, your a track runner who won your city track meet in the 100M by only a little bit.
Sure you're real good, but once you go to state, you'll need to keep training and get even better if you want a shot to win that.
We're the track runner.
we've won our city championship, but the tough opponents are still ahead.
We can't just coast on what we know now, we have to keep getting better and fix our mistakes, and believe me, our mistakes weren't limited to our backups forced into action.


Again, I refer to the paragraph in blue.
Also, find me one person thinks we are going to go 16-0.


kevoncox




And I agree with your analogy.
And I know that we need to continue to get better.
But even with our mistakes, let's not overlook the fact that we are one of the better "track runners" in the state right now.
We may or may not be the best, and there are one or two other runners who are looking more the part.


Let's not focus so hard on the mistakes that we forget to celebrate that city championship...

Kuukkis
10-19-2009, 12:34 PM
I just hope that the coaches and doctors are wiser than putting Winfield or AD or Harvin in if they're not even close to 100% per cent. The main priority should be in keeping the players healthy. It's better to have one or two bad games caused by missing players than making our best players play and lose them for the rest of the season.